2010 Mazdaspeed3 Officially Launched in Japan

[P2K]

http://www.axela.mazda.co.jp/?bt=mazdaspeed

mmm! A color I can live with because red doesn't do it any justice. It needs dark colors.

http://img01.carview.co.jp/minkara/blog/000/013/735/937/13735937/P1.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/note/000/000/813/442/813442/p2.jpg

[RODSCALIP5]

Wow! That's Nice. Check out the kits by DAMD and MzSpeed and Kenstyle.

[P2K]

Yeah, I saw them already. Not my cup of tea.

[scottie137]

I am pretty sure this will grow on me, but I am glad I got my 09 a few days ago still...

[P2K]

I feel the exact same way. I'm glad I bought the first gen but feel the second gen will eventually grow on me as well.

[blackdonkey]

I'm happy with my 09 too. This looks like a mini SUV.. Why mazda designers, why?

[Antonio DiMarco]

I'm happy with my 09 too. This looks like a mini SUV.. Why mazda designers, why?

Not sure ho the new Speed 3 reminds you of a mini-SUV. I think the first gen looks more like an SUV than the 10.

[ViPeR689]

Freaking beautiful...

And here's the build your own page:

https://ssl.mazda.co.jp/purchase/estimate/axela-sport?axela-sport_cl

Just click MazdaSpeed Axela in the middle row, and if someone can understand Japanese, translations would be appreciated :)

Looks like the colors are Crystal White, True Red, Black Mica, and the silver metallic color that is slipping my mind.

[sandspeed]

looks good grey! What is that mazda behind it?

[my3needsaname]

Definitely better than the MZ3.
What? No parking sensors? (note sarcasm since they're not needed on a car this small)

[P2K]

looks good grey! What is that mazda behind it?
That's the Mazda Biante. Even though it's a mini van like the 5, it's completely different. I personally think the styling is a bit too extreme for the US and Mazda may feel the same way which is why it's for Japan only. I must admit that I have seen some with aftermarket aero parts that make it somewhat bearable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Biante

http://www.mazdapedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/biante-bow.jpg
http://www.mazdapedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/biante-rear.jpg

[my3needsaname]

Like a lot of their newest designs, it's pretty damn ugly.

[red95_240sx]

yea i dont like what mazda is doing with these happy lookin cars.

[P2K]

I'm still glad I got the first gen, but it's really starting to grow on me.

http://img01.carview.co.jp/minkara/blog/000/013/823/942/13823942/P1.jpg
http://img01.carview.co.jp/minkara/blog/000/013/816/834/13816834/P1.jpg

[Yoo Shin]

I....think I like it?...I wish someone never said it looks like a Matrix, because that's the first thing that pops into my head when I see it :(

I do like how aggressive they went with the fenders. Maybe it'll swollow some larger wheel fitments.

[P2K]

I doubt it. Although it looks like it'll fit 19s nicely with all that gap, but no aggressive offsets in either 18 or 19. It's a shame because Mazda has high offsets on all their cars.

I don't get it. What's the point in having high offsets? Do they provide better handling or something?

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Jesus that MS3 looks like a complete ass if you ask me, what were the designers thinking.... no doubt there is no way to put a FMIC on that ugly thing... sorry people i feel disappointed hardcore with the designs of all of their new Mazdas....

[ViPeR689]

Sadly not digging the white, but the black has some serious promise.

And quick question, but how are you getting these pictures of the MS3, P2K??

[P2K]

Sadly not digging the white, but the black has some serious promise.

And quick question, but how are you getting these pictures of the MS3, P2K??
Japan has a website similar to Cardomain called Carview. The members are simply going the dealers and taking pictures. Me? Well, I just so happen to stumble across the pictures every now and then.

No one bought one yet. I think (but can't be sure) they're not taking in the new design all too well either. They're curious, but I don't think they like it. If the Japanese consumers doesn't like this car, I'm sure the rest of they world will follow. Maybe, maybe not. But you still have your enthusiasts that will stick behind it 100%. I'm a Mazda enthusiast and I don't like it, but like I said, it's growing on me.

[blackdonkey]

Not sure ho the new Speed 3 reminds you of a mini-SUV. I think the first gen looks more like an SUV than the 10.


Disagree, the '10 ms3 looks a taller and 'fatter', don't know for sure if it actually is. The current ms3 looks slim and sporty... that just me though

[boost3]

its the same exact motor thats what bothers me.I like the lok but owuld never buy it

[P2K]

I agree. To me it's one of those cars I kind of, sort of like, but would never buy one either.

[GoFast]

I am absolutely starting to dig this car...I can't wait to see one in person. I may even give it a spin

[CWPspeed3]

Still hasnt grown on me yet but its nice to see a side by side pic. I still cant get over that front end, the rest isnt too bad.

[P2K]

Still hasnt grown on me yet but its nice to see a side by side pic. I still cant get over that front end, the rest isnt too bad.
More side by side. It kind of makes the first gen look outdated.

http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/photo/000/001/507/551/1507551/p2.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/photo/000/001/507/551/1507551/p3.jpg
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http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/photo/000/001/507/551/1507551/p6.jpg

[RADAR THIS]

yeah for chevron designers... lol

[my3needsaname]

Intensely studying those pics and breaking it down to basic design, the only part of the car that is changed for the 2010's is the front end.
You can take an 09 and tweak it a bit and there pretty much is no difference...just that front end.

[P2K]

More pics of white and interior. It looks like they have HIDs and LED tails, a luxury we're not getting unless they have a GT version.

http://img01.carview.co.jp/minkara/blog/000/013/785/777/13785777/P1.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/mybbs/000/001/173/439/1173439/p1.jpg
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http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/mybbs/000/001/185/899/1185899/p1.jpg

[CWPspeed3]

oh man something about the whites that gets me... I'm trying to make myself like the front end.

I see the hood up in one of the pics do you have an engine bay shot?

[Blendercloud]

The nose and hood is hideous. The rest of the design (windshield back) is much-improved in my opinion.

[bazooka joe]

ya, it does make the first gen look old! i'm not a big fan of the grill, but i could get into this car...the scoop makes it look so much more aggressive...imho

[RADAR THIS]

the red inserts reminds me of spiderman...

[P2K]

http://img01.carview.co.jp/minkara/blog/000/013/743/513/13743513/P1.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/mybbs/000/001/185/947/1185947/p1.jpg

[Falango]

Did they drop the MPS name in Japan or somethin??? Why are they badged as Mazdaspeed's over there??

[P2K]

Did they drop the MPS name in Japan or somethin??? Why are they badged as Mazdaspeed's over there??
It was never MPS in Japan.

Madza 3 MPS = Europe
Mazdaspeed Axela = Japan
Mazdaspeed 3 = North America

[Blendercloud]

I like the air inlet in the hood and the fact that it's not too intrusive. I just don't like anything else about that front clip. It looks like a Matrix crossed with a Mini Cooper.

[Falango]

It was never MPS in Japan.

Madza 3 MPS = Europe
Mazdaspeed Axela = Japan
Mazdaspeed 3 = North America

Ah, my bad, thought it was MPS everywhere except NA.

[P2K]

oh man something about the whites that gets me... I'm trying to make myself like the front end.

I see the hood up in one of the pics do you have an engine bay shot?
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/mybbs/000/001/173/490/1173490/p1.jpg
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[P2K]

The nose and hood is hideous. The rest of the design (windshield back) is much-improved in my opinion.
Then this closeup shot will just amplify your hatred of the nose, it did for me. CHEESE! lmao

http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/mybbs/000/001/185/950/1185950/p1.jpg

[RADAR THIS]

like the duals wish we had that

[GoFast]

different intercooler cover....

[P2K]

I highly doubt ANY fmic will look good in that monstrosity of a grill.

[CWPspeed3]

I highly doubt ANY fmic will look good in that monstrosity of a grill.

it will just look like a big smile with braces...

[Falango]

it will just look like a big smile with braces...

lol, that's awesome!

[Falango]

If you thought the smile was bad on the new 3, look how pronounced it is on this.....

http://www.yosax.com/car_pictures/2009/04/scion-iq-concept-car.jpg

[Donas64]

I don't like the base 3's but I'd get a mazdaspeed one in a heartbeat. It's a wash are far as looks go with the current one, but it looks more aggressive in speed trim. White does nothing to flatter all those fussy lines though. Grey looks really nice.

But does it hold boost to the redline? :)

[P2K]

I doubt there will be any difference in performance. Different car, same engine.

[CWPspeed3]

From what I've read they were keeping performance numbers the same and if anything the new one may be a bit softer for more comfort and I think its slightly bigger as well.

[LaraS]

Yuck yuck yuck. I thought the regular 3 was ugly... but man... this is bad.

I do not like it at all. The hood scoop, the head lights, the plastic monstrosity of a grill... those tail lights. No thanks.

Not a fan. :(

[P2K]

From what I've read they were keeping performance numbers the same and if anything the new one may be a bit softer for more comfort and I think its slightly bigger as well.
I think you're right about the suspension. There were a lot of complaints that the suspension on the first gen was too harsh. I recently looked at a review on Youtube and the guy was complaining about the harshness. I don't know what the hell he was talking about. I don't think the stock suspension is harsh at all.

I have my BCs set to the softest setting and it's only slightly firmer than stock. What did he expect? The suspension of a Cadillac? If they did soften the suspension, those cars will need an upgrade quick. There wasn't anything wrong with the suspension. I hope BC is already working on something.

[TRDMS3]

wow absolutely nothing says the new design is a step forward even the mazdaspeed badge failed miserably it's fucking joke whoever I spoke with saw the new 3 said nothing but what horrid front end.

[Antonio DiMarco]

More side by side. It kind of makes the first gen look outdated.

A nice improvement over the current design.(2thumbs) Those of you who hate it are blind. (lol2). The new design is sportier and more aggressive-looking. The current one by comparison looks fat and lazy. The only aspect of the design I'm not sure of is the hood scoop.

I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

[Antonio DiMarco]

More pics of white and interior. It looks like they have HIDs and LED tails, a luxury we're not getting unless they have a GT version.


Though I like the black better.

FYI, Not sure what your talking about regarding the HIDs and LEDs. Current 2010 GTs have both.

[P2K]

The regular 3, yes. Not the Mazdaspeed which is what we're discussing here. North America isn't getting a GT, only Sport. It's stated in the specs that there is only a Sport model and it has no HIDs or LEDs. It's in black & white on the Equipment and Features page of the second link I posted. How can you argue with that?

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/pdf/specs_features/veh_specs_MS3_2010.pdf
http://www.mazdausamedia.com/files/MAZDA3%2010MY%20-%20SpecDeck%20-%20032409%20-%20V%202010.11.pdf

However, this could change before it launches in North America. If enough consumers complain about it, I'm sure it's a slim possibility. If not, you can always buy aftermarket HIDs and the LED tails from the regular 3.

[Kuro3]

is that a giant touch-screen or something on the center console in the interior pics, or is that part just missing from the car, because then you would have 3 different screens probably all displaying the same thing lol

[P2K]

It's supposed to be a screen. I don't know if it has touch screen functionality, but that's what is supposed to be there. They just haven't installed it yet in those pics.

[robin2660]

The front fender lines are horrible and the hood scoop doesn't help the looks. I do like the storage trays under the hatch floor though.

[Falango]

Bah, stop quoting a billion pics, makes this page a mile long......

[robin2660]

Bah, stop quoting a billion pics, makes this page a mile long......

+ eleventy million. What's it take to trim your response? Lazy people ....

[I`m Batman]

no thank you.

[Kuro3]

wait, so do we get a screen in the center console here in North America too? sounds like it could be some DVD fun!

[8chman]

For all who want to know some more, here is a single page brochure that came out today...

[8chman]

Also, here in Canada there will be only four available colours...

Velocity Red
Black Mica
Celestial Blue
Crystal White Pearl

Unfortunately for us in the north, one feature we do not get that is available in other markets are heated seats.

[Olestra]

Unfortunately for us in the north, one feature we do not get that is available in other markets are heated seats.

That seems backwards...

[derspi]

Wow, I thought my impressions might change once I see more of the 2010 MS3 but the more I see of it, the more I hate it. Where should I begin?

- looks like a Matrix
- way too busy looking with all those body lines
- the "smiley" front just screams girly car at me
- double hump hood along with the hood scoop is just plain ugly
- interior styling kinda mimics the current Civics which is, again, ugly
- the front seats look flat and the funky red inserts are, again, *sigh* ugly

I really can't think of a single thing I like more on the new one over the current gen. OK, so they finally added a boost gauge! Woot!

[P2K]

For all who want to know some more, here is a single page brochure that came out today...
Wow! So Canada gets a GT. Gay!


Also, here in Canada there will be only four available colours...

Velocity Red
Black Mica
Celestial Blue
Crystal White Pearl

Unfortunately for us in the north, one feature we do not get that is available in other markets are heated seats.
Yeah. I remember looking at a video a while back on Youtube of someone receiving their 08 MS3, delivered straight to their house off a flatbed truck. When he took some interior shots I saw he had heated seats. I was like WTF?! Not a big deal and whether I need them or not, I like having all options available. But that's just me.

[8chman]

My main gripes with the heated seats NOT being present:

-If you're so concerned about weight savings, then why bother with power + memory seats
-Not an expensive option
-Available in other markets so everything is in place (switches, seats w/ elements, etc.)
-I can see if the climate doesn't dictate, but here it is heated seat season at least 8 months out of the year.

-Still not a dealbreaker and I'll be driving mine in late July or early August

-My wife will still have the luxury of heated seats in our Speed6 though.

[8chman]

Why are so many people saying it looks like a Matrix. The only thing in common is that they are both 5-doors or 4-door hatches with very vertical back ends. With that in common, there is bound to be a similarity in how they both look overall. So what if it looks similar to a Matrix; that one will drive like a Toyota and the Speed3 will drive like a Mazda.

With the exception of the smiley face, the new model looks more sculpted and wind-swept than its predecessor and probably is better in every way in a technical sense.

We used to own a M3 prior to our Speed6 and I have driven the new gen M3 and it is head and shoulders above the old model in every way - So I can only expect the same sort of improvement in driving feel for the new MS3 over the old.

The more I think of it, I'll probably go with the black mica in order to minimize the impact of the smiley face - plus it's a very cool colour.

[Antonio DiMarco]

+ eleventy million. What's it take to trim your response? Lazy people ....

Yeah I was rushing. it hould be fixed now.

[Antonio DiMarco]

The regular 3, yes. Not the Mazdaspeed which is what we're discussing here. North America isn't getting a GT, only Sport. It's stated in the specs that there is only a Sport model and it has no HIDs or LEDs. It's in black & white on the Equipment and Features page of the second link I posted. How can you argue with that?

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/pdf/specs_features/veh_specs_MS3_2010.pdf
http://www.mazdausamedia.com/files/MAZDA3%2010MY%20-%20SpecDeck%20-%20032409%20-%20V%202010.11.pdf

However, this could change before it launches in North America. If enough consumers complain about it, I'm sure it's a slim possibility. If not, you can always buy aftermarket HIDs and the LED tails from the regular 3.

I was under the impression that there would be two trim levels like there was on the 07-09's. The Speed does get the pushbutton start and Bose right? Those options are not "sport" options.

[Antonio DiMarco]

Wow, I thought my impressions might change once I see more of the 2010 MS3 but the more I see of it, the more I hate it. Where should I begin?

- looks like a Matrix
- way too busy looking with all those body lines
- the "smiley" front just screams girly car at me
- double hump hood along with the hood scoop is just plain ugly
- interior styling kinda mimics the current Civics which is, again, ugly
- the front seats look flat and the funky red inserts are, again, *sigh* ugly

I really can't think of a single thing I like more on the new one over the current gen. OK, so they finally added a boost gauge! Woot!

Wow "hate" is such a strong word. :-)

[P2K]

I was under the impression that there would be two trim levels like there was on the 07-09's. The Speed does get the pushbutton start and Bose right? Those options are not "sport" options.
I was under the same impression and was very surprised when I was told there's only a sport trim. That's so retarded.

Push start and Bose are both optional on the sport. It's on the Equipment and Features pdf I posted, all the info you need to know is right there.

[lasermp5]

yea i dont like what mazda is doing with these happy lookin cars.

+1

[Kuro3]

what's tri-mode electroilluminescent gauges? aren't they bi-mode? like when you turn the lights on, you press that light thingy and it switches the gauges over to how they look without the lights on?

[P2K]

what's tri-mode electroilluminescent gauges? aren't they bi-mode? like when you turn the lights on, you press that light thingy and it switches the gauges over to how they look without the lights on?
You must be talking about the dimmer. That doesn't have anything to do with tri-mode. In the brochure of the 1st gen it says the gauges are tri-mode too. Blue lighting for entry, white on black daytime, red on black nighttime. I'd like to know who wrote that garbage, because my gauges aren't white during daytime.

That being said, 1st gen are bi-mode because they are red on black during day and night and the blue LED lighting accents. If the gauges on the 2nd gen are two different colors during day and night, and have blue LED lighting, then they are tri-mode. Looking at the pics, they look like they're red during day and night so I don't know what they're talking about.

[derspi]

Wow "hate" is such a strong word. :-)

Yah, sorry but when I really can't think of even ONE thing I like more on the new model over the outgoing model, then it's no longer just simply dislike (the integrated boost gauge doesn't count!).

I really should reserve judgment until I actually DRIVE one but it has to be pretty darn Evo-like (Evo8 & Evo9 to be specific) in terms of handling for me to pick it over my current gen MS3. I'm sure it will be more refined (albeit probably heavier too) but since the drivetrain is a carryover and there's no AWD, I can't expect much difference in power and/or power delivery.

[8chman]

I agree that the carryover of the drivetrain will/should yield similar power in terms of acceleration, etc. However, my impressions of the 2010 m3 compared to the previous model m3 was that the newer one felt more solid in terms of torsional rigidity and the overall feel of quality in the cabin felt a few notches higher as well. I only drove it for about 20 minutes, so it was an opportunity to get a feel for the new chassis, but not an in depth opinion.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't there an old Mazda 323 with a similar front end (minus the smiley face) that was available in Europe - circa 1992?

[8chman]

I just googled it myself, it was the late 90's and it was the 323F in Europe. Wedge shaped up front. A car I saw over there and wished we'd have gotten over here at the time.

Too bad the 2010 doesn't look more like that one. That was a cool car, IMHO.

[bani]

Yah, sorry but when I really can't think of even ONE thing I like more on the new model over the outgoing model, then it's no longer just simply dislike (the integrated boost gauge doesn't count!).

hood scoop improves airflow to intercooler
dual exhaust tips
new designed mazdaspeed3 seats
2nd-5th gear all taller
new ECU calibration
new torque management system calibration
chassis stiffened up to 40%
stiffer springs, higher damping rates for suspension
improved front stabilizer bar design
wider tires - 225/40R18 vs old ms3 215/40R18
steering rack 3 point mount vs old ms3 2 point
electrohydraulic steering vs old ms3 hydraulic, improves steering feel
electronic brake assist (vs old ms3 purely mechanical brake assist)
pushbutton start
nanotechology catalytic convertor
...etc

yep, not a single thing to like over the outgoing model.

[8chman]

+1

[ViPeR689]

If some aftermarket, low-profile hood and front bumper come out, I'll be on this faster than a chihuahua on a person's leg.

[Antonio DiMarco]

hood scoop improves airflow to intercooler
dual exhaust tips
new designed mazdaspeed3 seats
2nd-5th gear all taller
new ECU calibration
new torque management system calibration
chassis stiffened up to 40%
stiffer springs, higher damping rates for suspension
improved front stabilizer bar design
wider tires - 225/40R18 vs old ms3 215/40R18
steering rack 3 point mount vs old ms3 2 point
electrohydraulic steering vs old ms3 hydraulic, improves steering feel
electronic brake assist (vs old ms3 purely mechanical brake assist)
pushbutton start
nanotechology catalytic convertor
...etc

yep, not a single thing to like over the outgoing model.

[P2K]

hood scoop improves airflow to intercooler
dual exhaust tips
new designed mazdaspeed3 seats
2nd-5th gear all taller
new ECU calibration
new torque management system calibration
chassis stiffened up to 40%
stiffer springs, higher damping rates for suspension
improved front stabilizer bar design
wider tires - 225/40R18 vs old ms3 215/40R18
steering rack 3 point mount vs old ms3 2 point
electrohydraulic steering vs old ms3 hydraulic, improves steering feel
electronic brake assist (vs old ms3 purely mechanical brake assist)
pushbutton start
nanotechology catalytic convertor
...etc

yep, not a single thing to like over the outgoing model.
All your points are good, but you're mistaken about the tire size. The 1st gen has 215/45/18. At least the wheels are an inch wider. The hood scoop doesn't improve the air flow no more than the setup on the 1st gen. I like the dual exhausts and can't wait to see what the rear end looks like with an aftermarket setup. I'm noticing a lot of stock 4cyl dual exhausts on newer cars these days.

I hope they focused on 1st and 6th because in the 1st gen 1st gear is pretty much useless. I should be able to cruise at 70-75 at 2K in 6th, so what's the point in having a 6th gear? If the springs are stiffer which I don't believe they are, that wouldn't be a wise decision. The springs on the 1st gen were criticized for being too stiff, so I don't think they made them stiffer. The new seats aren't all that great. They're no improvement over the old ones, more of an eyesore than anything.

[derspi]

hood scoop improves airflow to intercooler
dual exhaust tips
new designed mazdaspeed3 seats
2nd-5th gear all taller
new ECU calibration
new torque management system calibration
chassis stiffened up to 40%
stiffer springs, higher damping rates for suspension
improved front stabilizer bar design
wider tires - 225/40R18 vs old ms3 215/40R18
steering rack 3 point mount vs old ms3 2 point
electrohydraulic steering vs old ms3 hydraulic, improves steering feel
electronic brake assist (vs old ms3 purely mechanical brake assist)
pushbutton start
nanotechology catalytic convertor
...etc

yep, not a single thing to like over the outgoing model.

What are you, a salesman? That's the kind of useless stuff you find in a marketing brochure or something. I could care less about the "electronic brake assist, improved front stabilizer bar design, stiffer springs, electrohydraulic steering" if none of that translates into a significant improvement over the outgoing model. Nanotechnology cat?! Doesn't mean much to the performance enthusiast sorry. Dual exhaust tips? Sure, looks nicer but surely not a reason to buy it. And don't get me started on the "new designed MS3 seats" coz they look quite ugly actually and look rather flat so I only see it as a downgrade. A 10 mm increase in tire width isn't going to translate to much diff in the real world so again, nothing to write home about.

So out of that list, I can see 3 things I like about the new model:

Chassis is stiffer by 40% - kind of a no brainer these days as pretty much anything new is "stiffer" and should translate to a more refined & composed ride. And if they did their homework the thing MAY even handle better!

Pushbutton start - convenience feature, nice to have but I've been living fine on plain 'ol keys for the last 16 years on all my cars. Surely not a reason to buy a car over it.

Dual exhaust tips - cosmetic. On a turbo 4-banger, of little to no performance benefit.

[TRDMS3]

What are you, a salesman? That's the kind of useless stuff you find in a marketing brochure or something. I could care less about the "electronic brake assist, improved front stabilizer bar design, stiffer springs, electrohydraulic steering" if none of that translates into a significant improvement over the outgoing model. Nanotechnology cat?! Doesn't mean much to the performance enthusiast sorry. Dual exhaust tips? Sure, looks nicer but surely not a reason to buy it. And don't get me started on the "new designed MS3 seats" coz they look quite ugly actually and look rather flat so I only see it as a downgrade. A 10 mm increase in tire width isn't going to translate to much diff in the real world so again, nothing to write home about.

So out of that list, I can see 3 things I like about the new model:

Chassis is stiffer by 40% - kind of a no brainer these days as pretty much anything new is "stiffer" and should translate to a more refined & composed ride. And if they did their homework the thing MAY even handle better!

Pushbutton start - convenience feature, nice to have but I've been living fine on plain 'ol keys for the last 16 years on all my cars. Surely not a reason to buy a car over it.

Dual exhaust tips - cosmetic. On a turbo 4-banger, of little to no performance benefit.

+1

forgot one big point

2010 MS3* vs 1st generation

*look up (angry, ugly, smiling, pathetic, unappealing, slap me, clown face, front end)

[Speedkid]

It looks ok. It mite grow on me.

[bani]

I could care less about the "electronic brake assist, improved front stabilizer bar design, stiffer springs, electrohydraulic steering" if none of that translates into a significant improvement over the outgoing model.

it does.

the major complaints about the old ms3 have been addressed.


under tired
springs too soft
under damped
poor steering feel
too short gearing
tq management too intrusive
chassis stiffness lacking, especially in the back
heatsoaks too easily
CAI needed to fully unleash stock engine


those who care about performance know its a better handler. its already obvious from comparisons of the 2010 mz3 vs 2009 mz3.

[CorkSport]

I really like the new cars. We have had a few of the new 2010 Mazda 3s here in the shop for development work and the they dont look bad at all.

If you want to see a shocker though, park one of the new cars next to a BJ chassis protege. The protege looks outdated.

We got a call yesterday from the dealer which we ordered our 2010 MS3 from. They have told us the car should be in port on July 2nd.

Derrick

[robin2660]

It mite grow on me.

Crabs?

[SHAGwagn]

(blarf)






ok i feel better now. That thing is an epic failure of a seller from the front to the seats to the tail lights in terms of aesthetics. Glad i kept my old out going gen fresh and clean.
__________

[bjjer]

The new car is definetly an improvement (I would hope so) looks are subjective (I happen to find the new MS3 very appealing) and if I wanted to continue my high HP FWD driving experience Id be all over this car. But Im going WRX, 370z or 'gasp' Hyundai Genesis coupe next.

[Donas64]

If I were you, I'd go 370Z, WRX and Genesis in that order. Unless you have a family then it would be WRX, 370Z then Genesis. I'm super impressed with the hyundai though.

[derspi]

it does.

the major complaints about the old ms3 have been addressed.


under tired
springs too soft
under damped
poor steering feel
too short gearing
tq management too intrusive
chassis stiffness lacking, especially in the back
heatsoaks too easily
CAI needed to fully unleash stock engine


those who care about performance know its a better handler. its already obvious from comparisons of the 2010 mz3 vs 2009 mz3.

The question is whether or not it's worth it to get one over the outgoing model (in my case). Consideration also going to the fact that I have some money already invested in my current MS3 and is already improved upon from a stock MS3. It's probably a no brainer for someone who's trading up from a MZ3 or who has never owned a MS3 (if they can stomach the looks).

It's great that you can bench/magazine/brochure race but I would usually like to hold off on making any comparisons until I can drive it for myself (unless you happen to have already test driven the new MS3 then accept my apologies). All I'm saying is that it better damn drive like a dream (or handle like an Evo8) coz it has to work against so many things I already don't like about it.

[bani]

All I'm saying is that it better damn drive like a dream (or handle like an Evo8) coz it has to work against so many things I already don't like about it.

what are the so many things you don't like about it, other than looks?

[derspi]

what are the so many things you don't like about it, other than looks?

There's not much more I can go on seeing that I haven't driven it yet. But if I don't like the looks inside & out then it kinda makes it harder to swallow UNLESS it has smoking performance. Case in point would be the car I almost bought instead of the MS3 (couldn't justify the price in the end): BMW 135i - soso exterior styling, decent interior but holy crap 350+ HP with a reflash and it handles pretty well & rides even better.

What I can gather so far about the 2010 MS3 is that straight line performance will be about equal if not worse than the current gen (should come in a bit heavier I'm guessing). Ride & handling SHOULD be better because of the stiffer structure and the tinkering but I don't expect anything leaps & bounds better. More creature comforts which are always nice but no reason to upgrade. But the looks just KILL it. I saw the 2010 MZ3 sedan at the recent auto show and sat in it as well. The looks MAY grow on me but I really didn't care for the interior at all and actually prefer the current design more.

It's not so much what I don't like about it but it giving me no reason to consider buying it is all. It almost seems like a simple cosmetic change (even though I'm sure it's not) but for the worse so it doesn't really deserve my money.

[bani]

so it's not "so many things" then, just one single thing -- looks.

sounds a lot like the bmw owners who whined to no end over the bangle redesigned 3 series even though the redesigned 3 was massively superior to the old 3 series in every way. their obsession with looks blinded them to performance.

the new ms3 is better than the old ms3 in every way. maybe not enough to cause you to dump your current ms3 and get a new one, but that doesn't mean the new ms3 sucks. it's silly to diss it because you have an investment in your current car that's holding you back.

[P2K]

so it's not "so many things" then, just one single thing -- looks.

sounds a lot like the bmw owners who whined to no end over the bangle redesigned 3 series even though the redesigned 3 was massively superior to the old 3 series in every way. their obsession with looks blinded them to performance.

the new ms3 is better than the old ms3 in every way. maybe not enough to cause you to dump your current ms3 and get a new one, but that doesn't mean the new ms3 sucks. it's silly to diss it because you have an investment in your current car that's holding you back.
What you're doing is giving it praise before it's even tested. You're jumping the gun. There have been tweaks here and there, but they may or may not have been for the better. No one will really know until the tests and reviews. So you can't say it's better in every way.

From what I've seen in a recent pic, the struts are carried over from the current gen. It wasn't a full pic of the strut, just the top of the rear. From switching out my stocks to a set of BCs, I know what the struts look like and they look the same to me. But that doesn't mean they are just because they look the same, it's just an observation. LINK (http://minkara.carview.co.jp/userid/171544/car/115791/1509197/photo.aspx) I think the springs are the only difference. That doesn't mean it'll handle tons better though.

I think the argument here (as you've discussed) is whether it's justifiable for a current MS3 owner to trade in for a 2010 MS3. I don't think there's a huge benefit. What's to be gained? Creature comforts? Not really worth it. Don't get me wrong because I'm all for creature comforts, but someone with a Mazda 3 or some other brand of car will be the only ones who really benefit from this car. Especially if current MS3 owners have already invested in improvements over the flaws.

I just can't wait for the Best Motoring Tsukuba battle. To see how it fairs against it's competitors.

[bani]

it's entirely possible mazda is lying about increasing the spring stiffness and improving the rebound damping, but i don't see what they would gain from lying.

i don't see the grille as a big issue as it's easily fixable. there are obviously those who wont be able to see beyond the grille though, just like the legions of bmw owners who couldnt see past flame surfacing.

[derspi]

the new ms3 is better than the old ms3 in every way.

So coming from a person who HASN'T driven the new MS3, you can make such a statement? Impressive - you have a special crystal ball or something?

I'm not about to give praise where it's not due. What I WILL do is voice my opinion on what I have seen for my own eyes. It's styling leaves much to be desired, inside and out. #s and marketing spiel mean nothing when they don't amount to much, other than hype.

And you're wrong, the current gen 3-series was not leaps and bounds better than the previous gen. Maybe for a bench racer like yourself, magazine #s and articles tell you that but having driven both generations and even the generation before these two, in terms of driving enjoyment, I think the last gen was probably the best. The major improvement (and it was a BIG one) in the current gen is the addition of the twin turbo engine. Stuff that engine in the last gen chassis and I'd be in heaven.

[P2K]

The major improvement (and it was a BIG one) in the current gen is the addition of the twin turbo engine.
:confused:


it's entirely possible mazda is lying about increasing the spring stiffness and improving the rebound damping, but i don't see what they would gain from lying.

i don't see the grille as a big issue as it's easily fixable. there are obviously those who wont be able to see beyond the grille though, just like the legions of bmw owners who couldnt see past flame surfacing.
What they would gain is entirely irrelevant, I think they just put out the wrong info. I also think what totally kills the 2010 MS3 is the simple fact they kept the 2.3 and didn't boost the 2.5 to 300hp. If they wanted to keep the 2.3, at least make the engine output match the Focus RS. Don't even get me started on AWD, or lack there of. Maybe then I could see everyone benefiting from this car, including current MS3 owners.

[SHAGwagn]

Quote:
Originally Posted by derspi
The major improvement (and it was a BIG one) in the current gen is the addition of the twin turbo engine.


[QUOTE=P2K;4666287]:confused:


LMFAOOOO! what the fuck is that guy talkin about?? (drunk)? (smoke)?

[bani]

What they would gain is entirely irrelevant, I think they just put out the wrong info. I also think what totally kills the 2010 MS3 is the simple fact they kept the 2.3 and didn't boost the 2.5 to 300hp. If they wanted to keep the 2.3, at least make the engine output match the Focus RS. Don't even get me started on AWD, or lack there of. Maybe then I could see everyone benefiting from this car, including current MS3 owners.

so you think mazda would raise the ms3 to 300hp without raising the price?

awd would make the car heavier, slower, and significantly more expensive.

[P2K]

so you think mazda would raise the ms3 to 300hp without raising the price?

awd would make the car heavier, slower, and significantly more expensive.
You're stating the obvious. Of course the price would go up if they raise the hp, that's a no brainer. Heavier, maybe. Slower if AWD, that depends on other upgrades. More expensive, we all know that. Again, the obvious. If Mazda would give the MS3 more power and AWD (which is what MS3 owners, not all, have been wanting for a while), there would be quite a lot of used 1st gens on the lots.

But I really can't speak for everyone else, it's just an observation of what a lot of people want out of the MS3. I already know I'd trade mine in asap, even with the money I've already invested into my 1st gen. But there's no real gain for me if I trade in for the same performance.

You're defending the car. For what? You don't have ANY concrete evidence that the new ms3 is better than the old ms3 in every way. We'll see when the tests come. You don't have to convince me or anyone else otherwise.

Don't take this the wrong way, but before you start posting info or stating something about this car, bring something to the plate to support your findings or assumptions. If you go back and look at every one of my posts, I have links and pics to support mine. What I have isn't necessarily fact (and I admit it), but it's more than what you have which is nothing more than assumptions. It's nothing personal, I'm just proving my point.

Oh BTW, the aftermarket would probably open up a lot more for the MS3 if it had an AWD drivetrain and more hp. Yes the price would go up, but I'm sure it would be cheaper than the EVO and STI. Maybe even sell better than the two. I guess we'll never know, will we?

[ViPeR689]

They should have left the body alone and put in the Ford Focus RS engine. That would be pure sex.

[derspi]

Quote:
Originally Posted by derspi
The major improvement (and it was a BIG one) in the current gen is the addition of the twin turbo engine.


[QUOTE=P2K;4666287]:confused:


LMFAOOOO! what the fuck is that guy talkin about?? (drunk)? (smoke)?

You would understand if you bothered to actually read some of the prior posts but in this one I'm referring to the 3-series Bimmers.

[P2K]

If you were talking about the 3-series BMW, then I misunderstood. My apologies.

[RODSCALIP5]

Looks like it's only 43 lbs heavier, correct me if I'm wrong:

http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/photo/000/001/490/537/1490537/p8.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/photo/000/001/490/537/1490537/p2.jpg

[Yoo Shin]

Are the wheels any wider? I would hope at least a 7.5".

[6SpeedTA95]

Are the wheels any wider? I would hope at least a 7.5".

yes they are either 7.5 or 8 I dont remember now.

[P2K]

Correct. They're the same 18x8 wheels from the RX8.

[Darksun280]

Anyone else notice the new MS3 says it has a 10 speaker system vs our 7 speaker one? I'm trying to think where they stuffed 3 more speakers. someone check the cup holders.....

[6SpeedTA95]

Anyone else notice the new MS3 says it has a 10 speaker system vs our 7 speaker one? I'm trying to think where they stuffed 3 more speakers. someone check the cup holders.....

two tweeters, two front door speakers, two rear door speakers, two hatch speakers and two small subs? :dunno:

[8chman]

It's both predictable and a bit funny; but this happens with every enthusiasts' car whenever there is a design change. The current owners of the previous gen car always state that the new car is slower, heavier, not as appealing, whatever - in short, that they are so happy that they have their car as is. And that it is not worth it to them to trade for the newer model. Meanwhile those who do not yet have one, praise the new gen because they are looking forward to purchase that model rather than looking back nostalgically at the prev gen. It's happened in the WRX forums, the GTI forums, and so on.

Those of you who have an '08, or '09 be happy with your ride and enjoy. If you don't want to trade for a '10 - no prob, no one is asking you to.

Just don't put down the new model just because you don't want one. That does not mean the new model is not just as good as yours for someone looking to get into a Speed3 who does not already own the prev gen car.

My current daily drive is a Speed6 and have driven the old 3, old Speed3, and '10 3. At worst, the new car will be around par with the outgoing model. Even if the mag numbers drop by a tenth of a second, there are other factors where people may prefer the newer model.

And just to be clear, I really like both the '09 and '10 Speed3s from what I have seen/read/driven so far.


Just my 0.02.

Rant complete.

[8chman]

In that dash pic, I can identify 3 buttons; AFS and DSC and RVM...

AFS is the cool turning headlight system, DSC is stability control, but what the hell is RVM?

[Darksun280]

In that dash pic, I can identify 3 buttons; AFS and DSC and RVM...

AFS is the cool turning headlight system, DSC is stability control, but what the hell is RVM?

Rear view monitor?
I noticed a key hole and another hole on the trunk my guess would be a rearview

[P2K]

It's both predictable and a bit funny; but this happens with every enthusiasts' car whenever there is a design change. The current owners of the previous gen car always state that the new car is slower, heavier, not as appealing, whatever - in short, that they are so happy that they have their car as is. And that it is not worth it to them to trade for the newer model. Meanwhile those who do not yet have one, praise the new gen because they are looking forward to purchase that model rather than looking back nostalgically at the prev gen. It's happened in the WRX forums, the GTI forums, and so on.

Those of you who have an '08, or '09 be happy with your ride and enjoy. If you don't want to trade for a '10 - no prob, no one is asking you to.

Just don't put down the new model just because you don't want one. That does not mean the new model is not just as good as yours for someone looking to get into a Speed3 who does not already own the prev gen car.

My current daily drive is a Speed6 and have driven the old 3, old Speed3, and '10 3. At worst, the new car will be around par with the outgoing model. Even if the mag numbers drop by a tenth of a second, there are other factors where people may prefer the newer model.

And just to be clear, I really like both the '09 and '10 Speed3s from what I have seen/read/driven so far.


Just my 0.02.

Rant complete.
But the argument here is whether the new is better than the old. No one know the answer for sure, but from specs posted it doesn't seem like it will be from a performance stand point. Yes the new design will take time for us all to get used to. Some have liked it from the beginning. Everyone is basically venting their opinions about the new model, that's all.

One thing I truly agree with, one member stated that whether the new design is good or bad, it sure is stirring up a lot of talk and getting the brand a lot more attention.

[wlaquerre]

Well I have read this entire thread! I agree with some disagree with others but all I know is my 2010 speed3 should be in port by the second week in july and I have a contract for a fully refundable deposit! I'm in love with my 08 speed3 certinatly not getting rid of that but I'm gonna give the '10 a chance!

[Antonio DiMarco]

It's both predictable and a bit funny; but this happens with every enthusiasts' car whenever there is a design change. The current owners of the previous gen car always state that the new car is slower, heavier, not as appealing, whatever - in short, that they are so happy that they have their car as is. And that it is not worth it to them to trade for the newer model. Meanwhile those who do not yet have one, praise the new gen because they are looking forward to purchase that model rather than looking back nostalgically at the prev gen. It's happened in the WRX forums, the GTI forums, and so on.

Those of you who have an '08, or '09 be happy with your ride and enjoy. If you don't want to trade for a '10 - no prob, no one is asking you to.

Just don't put down the new model just because you don't want one. That does not mean the new model is not just as good as yours for someone looking to get into a Speed3 who does not already own the prev gen car.

My current daily drive is a Speed6 and have driven the old 3, old Speed3, and '10 3. At worst, the new car will be around par with the outgoing model. Even if the mag numbers drop by a tenth of a second, there are other factors where people may prefer the newer model.

And just to be clear, I really like both the '09 and '10 Speed3s from what I have seen/read/driven so far.


Just my 0.02.

Rant complete.

Finally a man with some sense!(rei)

[ms6acton]

i like it in black

[RODSCALIP5]

Well I have read this entire thread! I agree with some disagree with others but all I know is my 2010 speed3 should be in port by the second week in july and I have a contract for a fully refundable deposit! I'm in love with my 08 speed3 certinatly not getting rid of that but I'm gonna give the '10 a chance!


So what your saying is these will be available by July?

[wlaquerre]

From what I am being told the first 2010 speed3 will hit the dealership floor that I am working with before the end of july!Now weather they are blowing smoke or not is yet to be seen! Now I have first dibs when they get there first one, I'm not committed to it I just put a deposit so I can have my time to decide if I like I fully or not. So when I say mine is coming in I just get first grab at the keys! No I's are dotted or T's are crossed yet!

[8chman]

My dealership has told me the same thing...

They are getting (3) a white, black, and red one in the month of July (June production), and another three in the same colours in the month of August or early Sept. (July production)

[bani]

Correct. They're the same 18x8 wheels from the RX8.

mazda's official press release states:

"From the side view, the new 18 x 7.5-inch aluminum wheel design is unique, but modeled on the deeply sculpted, expressive, and very lightweight 19-inch forged wheels on the RX-8 R3."

[Derrick_B]

Anyone else notice the new MS3 says it has a 10 speaker system vs our 7 speaker one? I'm trying to think where they stuffed 3 more speakers. someone check the cup holders.....
2 front door tweeters
2 front door speakers
1 center channel speaker
2 rear door speakers
2 hatch speakers (C-pillar, actually...and they're small - read "surround")
1 spare-tire mounted subwoofer

For the 2010 Speed3 (and 3 in general) haters out there, please realize that the Mazda designers aren't idiots. They know what they're doing. If you think that creating a good car these days is simply about power and looks, you're being very naive. Many of the changes are much more complex. There is a reason for just about every change that was made. Read the press kit (http://www.mazdausamedia.com/content/2010-mazda3-4-door) and go drive one. If after that you still can't see how the 2010 is an improvement, I guess it just isn't for you. I think the designers know the design is going to put some people off and they're okay with it. I respect that more than trying to appeal the masses and churning out a bland, uninspired design. Take a look back at many cars and trucks that weren't well-received initially, but turned into huge successes. Those designers took chances too. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. However, if no chances are taken, progress isn't made.

Just my .02

[P2K]

mazda's official press release states:

"From the side view, the new 18 x 7.5-inch aluminum wheel design is unique, but modeled on the deeply sculpted, expressive, and very lightweight 19-inch forged wheels on the RX-8 R3."
And I stand corrected, well done.

[shadow1077]

i went to the mazda dealer yesterday. All their MS3 09 are gone. The manager told they wont bringing any of those in anymore. They are just waiting for the MS3 2010 to be ready to come in and start selling those instead.

He also told me the MS6 would also be coming in to US market. The higher people at Mazda USA HQ had an announcement to them on their last meeting.

[sjdmp5]

He also told me the MS6 would also be coming in to US market. The higher people at Mazda USA HQ had an announcement to them on their last meeting.

That is 100% wrong.

[ms6acton]

so i went to my mazda dealership a few min ago and asked when they are getting their 2010 ms3s in and they said end of july beginning of aug.. stupid small towns

[6SpeedTA95]

so i went to my mazda dealership a few min ago and asked when they are getting their 2010 ms3s in and they said end of july beginning of aug.. stupid small towns

That would be great if it were taht soon but I really wonder if it will be...I've read oct/nov.

[6SpeedTA95]

I'd like to know if cargo capacity is the same or increased in the new hatch...and I'd also like to know what they've done to the speed3 to supposedly increase its handling and what that translates to in the real world. Are skidpad and slalom numbers both improved?

[slowtege5]

Why does the hood scoop look so cheap?

[boosted1]

Why does the hood scoop look so cheap?
What gives you the impression that the hood scoop looks cheap?

[boosted1]

I'd like to know if cargo capacity is the same or increased in the new hatch...and I'd also like to know what they've done to the speed3 to supposedly increase its handling and what that translates to in the real world. Are skidpad and slalom numbers both improved?THE 2010 MS3 features wider wheels/tires(18 X 7.5 / 225-40/18), optimized half shafts,stiffer springs/struts/shocks,thicker anti-roll bars,wider gear ratios and a recalibrated ECU(with enhanced boost controller). All of these improvements, conspire to get the power to the ground more efficiently

[6SpeedTA95]

THE 2010 MS3 features wider wheels/tires(18 X 7.5 / 225-40/18), optimized half shafts,stiffer springs/struts/shocks,thicker anti-roll bars,wider gear ratios and a recalibrated ECU(with enhanced boost controller). All of these improvements, conspire to get the power to the ground more efficiently

Yeah thats lifted from the press release...you dont really expect them to say "all our new changes gained us nothing!"

I'd like to see some real world tests...some have reported the new 3S understeers a lot worse than the old car which is discouraging :(

[Antonio DiMarco]

Yeah thats lifted from the press release...you dont really expect them to say "all our new changes gained us nothing!"

I'd like to see some real world tests...some have reported the new 3S understeers a lot worse than the old car which is discouraging :(

Sources?

[6SpeedTA95]

Sources?

Car and Driver and CNet both mentioned understeer in their reviews of the 3S.

First car exhibited some of this as well so I'm hoping its dialed out on the speed3.

[ms6acton]

they should ahve used that revo knuckle system from the focus rs

[orng1]

How about someone catch me up on the thread. Is it released yet? Or has been around for a while now? I haven't seen any yet. Kind of reminds me of a toyota front end. Don't know if I like it yet, maybe it'll grow on me.

[6SpeedTA95]

How about someone catch me up on the thread. Is it released yet? Or has been around for a while now? I haven't seen any yet. Kind of reminds me of a toyota front end. Don't know if I like it yet, maybe it'll grow on me.

It should be arriving at dealers between July and December :rofl:

Lots of folks are saying July/August on the 2010's I read October/November...not sure which is correct...since the drivetrain is basically carryover with minor changes I'd hope the july/august is more accurate.

[Speedkid]

I mite go test drive one for the fun of it and see how it does.

[bazooka joe]

i bumped into a guy the other morning, a mature gentleman much like myslef...anyway he gets out of his 2010 3 and i asked him how he liked it and he couldn't stop talking about the ride and handling...he loved the styling and thought it was the best value for the dollar of any of the imports he tested out. as we were leaving i said "hey, she's smiling at you" and he replied, "ya, that's the one thing, you either love that front end or hate it"....apparently, he's lovin it! :)

[robin2660]

I mite go test drive one for the fun of it and see how it does.

The crabs seem to be spreading.(wow)

[Lord_Zath]

It's both predictable and a bit funny; but this happens with every enthusiasts' car whenever there is a design change. The current owners of the previous gen car always state that the new car is slower, heavier, not as appealing, whatever - in short, that they are so happy that they have their car as is. And that it is not worth it to them to trade for the newer model. Meanwhile those who do not yet have one, praise the new gen because they are looking forward to purchase that model rather than looking back nostalgically at the prev gen. It's happened in the WRX forums, the GTI forums, and so on.

Those of you who have an '08, or '09 be happy with your ride and enjoy. If you don't want to trade for a '10 - no prob, no one is asking you to.

Just don't put down the new model just because you don't want one. That does not mean the new model is not just as good as yours for someone looking to get into a Speed3 who does not already own the prev gen car.

My current daily drive is a Speed6 and have driven the old 3, old Speed3, and '10 3. At worst, the new car will be around par with the outgoing model. Even if the mag numbers drop by a tenth of a second, there are other factors where people may prefer the newer model.

And just to be clear, I really like both the '09 and '10 Speed3s from what I have seen/read/driven so far.


Just my 0.02.

Rant complete.

The same thing happened when the 3 came out. I remember how everyone said compared to the Protege it was ugly, too tall, the paint sucked, yadda yadda yadda.

[my3needsaname]

I'm just saying that from an owner who hates their car, I'd rather have mine than a '10.
Dis is all.

[Donas64]

The same thing happened when the 3 came out. I remember how everyone said compared to the Protege it was ugly, too tall, the paint sucked, yadda yadda yadda.

I still think the P5 is better looking than a 3 5 door (non mazdaspeed). Now as far as everything else (interior, engine etc) the 3 is superior. But in looks? Nope.

[ms6acton]

I still think the P5 is better looking than a 3 5 door (non mazdaspeed). Now as far as everything else (interior, engine etc) the 3 is superior. But in looks? Nope.

i like the look of the 3 hatch.. not a big fan of the p5

[boosted1]

Sources?www.mazda.com

[P2K]

www.mazda.com
What info is Mazda's global home page supposed to provide? At least post some links that provide some real reviews instead of useless junk. There are no consumer reviews provided by Mazda, that's what he meant by sources.

This is the review of the 2010 3s. Nothing about it understeering as discussed earlier, but the skidpad numbers and other info is provided. I don't know the stats of the previous model (too lazy to look it up), but I assume it's an improvement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iVrDqCZyR4&NR=1

[derspi]

The same thing happened when the 3 came out. I remember how everyone said compared to the Protege it was ugly, too tall, the paint sucked, yadda yadda yadda.

Sure that may have been but the 3 was quite a bigger step forward compared to the old P5. I still think the P5 is a looker despite its age and it handled very well. The new 3 was better in many other areas (if you discount styling) - more power, better interior, more convenience features, more space not to mention it looked COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than the outgoing model (for better or worse).

One thing is for sure and still stands as we speak: The paint on the 3s and MS3s REALLY suck. That's one area where the 2010 models will most certainly improve on coz it can't get any worse.

[derspi]

Car and Driver and CNet both mentioned understeer in their reviews of the 3S.

First car exhibited some of this as well so I'm hoping its dialed out on the speed3.

That's kind of a given on any mass produced car. Whether or not a reviewer mentions it is almost moot coz it's always gonna be there. If you want to beat the understeer out of a chassis, you're gonna have to rely on the aftermarket to help you with that.

[Lord_Zath]

Sure that may have been but the 3 was quite a bigger step forward compared to the old P5. I still think the P5 is a looker despite its age and it handled very well. The new 3 was better in many other areas (if you discount styling) - more power, better interior, more convenience features, more space not to mention it looked COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than the outgoing model (for better or worse).

One thing is for sure and still stands as we speak: The paint on the 3s and MS3s REALLY suck. That's one area where the 2010 models will most certainly improve on coz it can't get any worse.

Interested to know about the paint - Proteges had crappy paint, too. What's so bad about the 3's?

Good points there, but one could say the appearance is just as revolutionary as going from Protege to 3!

[6SpeedTA95]

That's kind of a given on any mass produced car. Whether or not a reviewer mentions it is almost moot coz it's always gonna be there. If you want to beat the understeer out of a chassis, you're gonna have to rely on the aftermarket to help you with that.

Of course the vast majority of cars understeer to some degree, but too much understeer can be downright annoying...

I talked to two dealers here in OK today both said mid september on teh 2010 speed3's. :(

I'm going to test drive some stuff next weekend and a 2010 regular hatch to see what I think.

[newwildchild]

It has arrived at the us port http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/sgon_2006/020.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkVdyQvBOos

[6SpeedTA95]

New Speed3s in white actually look good, I was impressed.

[lmnt]

It has arrived at the us port

you truly are a king of kings

[Ricolando]

Omg makes we wish I had waited for it lol.

[hatchkidgt]

ah they have arived :)

[SPEED305]

that means that we should be getting reports on them soon.

[Donas64]

I'm expecting good things.

[Derrick_B]

Neither of those have LED tails. I guess that confirms earlier reports of no led tails, HIDS, etc. Kind of sad.

[lmnt]

Neither of those have LED tails. I guess that confirms earlier reports of no led tails, HIDS, etc. Kind of sad.

I agree. Lack of HID/LED combined with no white or graphite mica paint really bums me out.

[6SpeedTA95]

I agree. Lack of HID/LED combined with no white or graphite mica paint really bums me out.

The speed3 will be available in white, not sure why you think otherwise?

Also the GT trim will probably be available in a few months.

[lmnt]

The speed3 will be available in white, not sure why you think otherwise?

Also the GT trim will probably be available in a few months.

from this: http://mazda3revolution.com/mazdaspeedcolors.pdf

Edit: this is US, maybe not Canada

[newwildchild]

where did you get the info about the white?

the us is only getting

* Velocity Red Mica
* Celestial Blue Mica
* Liquid Silver Metallic
* Black Mica

[lmnt]

it was a printout from a dealership somewhere... not sure exactly where.

[8chman]

Canada is getting white, LED tails, and HIDs - just no silver if I remember correctly.

[CorkSport]

Funny thing is one of those black MS3 shown could be the car we ordered.

[camrycev6]

With the fact that a lot of car dealerships are offering massive incentives to trade up your old car, I considering trading in my 2007. The only problem is that they didn't do anything to the engine.... I would actually be stepping down in power. I just can't justify the money out of pocket for a newer (and marginally improved) car. Sure.... you get a "new" warranty, but I estimate with the trade-in and $3000 to $4500 (per the deal) off the invoice, I would still need to come up with about $7000. No way.

[6SpeedTA95]

where did you get the info about the white?

the us is only getting

* Velocity Red Mica
* Celestial Blue Mica
* Liquid Silver Metallic
* Black Mica

Interesting....

[240ka]

i went to the mazda dealer yesterday. All their MS3 09 are gone. The manager told they wont bringing any of those in anymore. They are just waiting for the MS3 2010 to be ready to come in and start selling those instead.

He also told me the MS6 would also be coming in to US market. The higher people at Mazda USA HQ had an announcement to them on their last meeting.

rather wait for the MS6. espcially if it comes out looking similar to this and long as someone makes a front end like this and the lip going around the car. this is hotness

http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Mazda/6/Concepts/01/Mazda6_MPS_Concept2.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Mazda/6/Concepts/01/Mazda6_MPS_Concept1.jpg

[lmnt]

sorry there's no way they're giving up on the simley face theme or the little fog light doodads

[240ka]

i bumped into a guy the other morning, a mature gentleman much like myslef...anyway he gets out of his 2010 3 and i asked him how he liked it and he couldn't stop talking about the ride and handling...he loved the styling and thought it was the best value for the dollar of any of the imports he tested out. as we were leaving i said "hey, she's smiling at you" and he replied, "ya, that's the one thing, you either love that front end or hate it"....apparently, he's lovin it! :)

but what was he comparing the handling to? thats the question

[ViPeR689]

sorry there's no way they're giving up on the simley face theme or the little fog light doodads

Well the 2010 MS3 takes it's cues from the 2010 Mazda3, so one would assume that the new MS6 would take it's cues from the new Mazda6.

Besides, when has a Mazdaspeed model ever drastically differed from a base model, exterior-wise?

[Lord_Zath]

Just what I always wanted - a Mazdaspeed Camry!

[Donas64]

Just what I always wanted - a Mazdaspeed Camry!

so true...so true

[my3needsaname]

Just what I always wanted - a Mazdaspeed Camry!
I'd rather have the plain Camry.

[newwildchild]

-

Video introduction of the 2010 mazda in Japan , i-stop, access and mazdaspeed 7:50 min if your already loss .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk3YZUxd0eg&feature=related


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[Antonio DiMarco]

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Video introduction of the 2010 mazda in Japan , i-stop, access and mazdaspeed 7:50 min if your already loss .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk3YZUxd0eg&feature=related


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I like the Nav more in the Japanese model than US. Yet another example of how American taste for low price drives design. The only reason Mazda included the smaller nav was to address complaints about high cost. Too bad.

[lmnt]

nevermind

[Derrick_B]

updated U.S. pricing information:

http://someothermazdasite.com/whats-hot-now/2010-mazdaspeed3-pricing-information-update/

FYI: Linking to other Mazda communities is against forum policy. Not trying to be a moderator. Just trying to help.

[wlaquerre]

Just got word that the speed3 i have a deposit on has hit port finally!! should be at the dealership first week of august! So i guess we can say we finally have the new speed3 in the USA!!!!

[TRDMS3]

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Video introduction of the 2010 mazda in Japan , i-stop, access and mazdaspeed 7:50 min if your already loss .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk3YZUxd0eg&feature=related


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anyone can translate @ 1:45 wtf was being said when the "mouth" was highlighted and what they were trying to achieve with the new scooby design?

[MonkeyBone]

Wow!

More and more cars are becoming higher and bigger!

I parked my 2005 P5 between a 2005 3 and 2010 3...And oh boy my side mirrors are in horizontal line UNDER the door handles of both. It's worse with the 2010 3. I was standing at a red light besides a 2009 matrix...Damn it was like the guy in the matrix was sitting in a pick up!!

It's like the rear-end of a lancer...4 feet of rear end! Doors are huge and tall! There is no windows!

Companies says they make smaller cars and stuff...they are so wrong! A yaris is way bigger than my old 1992 protege...And it is supposed to be a SMALL car!


Don't like new cars....Meh...

[6SpeedTA95]

Just got word that the speed3 i have a deposit on has hit port finally!! should be at the dealership first week of august! So i guess we can say we finally have the new speed3 in the USA!!!!

You paying MSRP?

[Donas64]

Wow!

More and more cars are becoming higher and bigger!

I parked my 2005 P5 between a 2005 3 and 2010 3...And oh boy my side mirrors are in horizontal line UNDER the door handles of both. It's worse with the 2010 3. I was standing at a red light besides a 2009 matrix...Damn it was like the guy in the matrix was sitting in a pick up!!

It's like the rear-end of a lancer...4 feet of rear end! Doors are huge and tall! There is no windows!

Companies says they make smaller cars and stuff...they are so wrong! A yaris is way bigger than my old 1992 protege...And it is supposed to be a SMALL car!


Don't like new cars....Meh...

So true. Love that my P5 is low and sleek. Shame that Mazda saddled it with an anemic motor. Was 150-170hp too much to ask for in a sporting wagon?

[JCGator42]

Just got word that the speed3 i have a deposit on has hit port finally!! should be at the dealership first week of august! So i guess we can say we finally have the new speed3 in the USA!!!!

yep, got word that my '10 speed3 hit port yesterday, can't wait!

[watchurwrist]

yep, got word that my '10 speed3 hit port yesterday, can't wait!

Any word on delivery from your dealer?

[JCGator42]

Any word on delivery from your dealer?

they said "hopefully before end of month", as far as they know they haven't heard of any delays

[RODSCALIP5]

So true. Love that my P5 is low and sleek. Shame that Mazda saddled it with an anemic motor. Was 150-170hp too much to ask for in a sporting wagon?


All they had to do was make a MS version :(.......or bring the Sport 20 over..

[grazzmaster]

Crabs?
+1 lol an Acarina reference
/approves
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/grazzmaster/thetick.jpg

my wife an I are picking up a Mazda5 next weekend -it drives un-like any minivan I've ever driven.... I've got my sights on a '10 MS3 - maybe next year. I like the looks, as after seeing how the apparent "mess of a front end" is very functional at delivering air to the engine and keeping a low drag profile. Check the video out at 3:34:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk3YZUxd0eg&feature=related

[Falango]

Spotted a new MS3 on the highway on Thursday. Too much goin on all over the front end of that car. Still like the 1st gen over this one.

[RADAR THIS]

rear...look how lil space there is for a wider set up...

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q33/tmndesigns/0731091411.jpg

and the lovely dash trim to go with the rest of the dotted car...

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q33/tmndesigns/0731090959.jpg

[Derrick_B]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the dotted look. I think they stole it from Nike, lol.

http://s3-external-1.amazonaws.com/wootsaleimages/Nike_AC1126_Sport_Armband_for_iPod_NanoffcDetail.j pg

[wlaquerre]

So i finally got to drive the new speed3! I must say I'm impressed over the new suspension much better stock for stock over the first gen! its still a nimble car like ours how ever i have chosen to pass on the one i ordered interior was nice digital boost gauge was cool but the thing that still got me was the look perhaps if they color match the front end it could improve the look might not but I'm sticking with my first gen for sure!