my pops got a g37S coupe

[oaklandopen]

so my dad got rid of his 2006 charger r/t a week ago so he could save up for a new car after the summer ended. he said he could survive with my mom's van and my grandmother's car because she doesn't drive anymore. at the end of summer he was gonna get a corvette lt3. i figured he couldn't last all summer without his own car, and i was right. he broke down and got one of these....

http://xs940.xs.to/xs940/09245/g37131.png (http://xs.to)

sure, it's no corvette, but he would probably end up getting more enjoyment out of this than he would the vette. it's a g37S coupe with the premium package. new g stats are 330hp and 270tq with 3600lbs to move. his charger was 350hp and 390tq, but that body was 4100lbs, so he's getting around 1 lb/hp better with the G.

the reason why he broke down was because of the deal they were having at the dealer. $5k off msrp, which is a pretty big deal considering that infinity isn't a discount manufacturer. so that ended up making the car around $37-38k by my calculations with his options. i wasn't jealous before when he had his charger, but his one-upmanship with the G has made me a little green with envy. ever since i had gotten the ms3 he was always jealous of the power, agility, and options (LEDs, xenon, interior trim) and all part of a package over $10k less than his car. all i can really say now is "can your passengers get out the back without you getting out first?"

kinda bored and i thought i'd share, anyone else have a one-upper parent/sibling/friend?

[CWPspeed3]

Did he get the manual trans? Then it all becomes about the driver and the start. Should be fun regardless.

No one in my family gives a shit about cars so then its just my friends on this forum...

[oaklandopen]

Did he get the manual trans? Then it all becomes about the driver and the start. Should be fun regardless.

No one in my family gives a shit about cars so then its just my friends on this forum...

yea it's manual...whenver you see a g37 with the red "s" it stands for the sport package, which is a 6speed manual.

im not sure about the 0-60 times for the infiniti, but the 370z has gotten times of 4.7. the difference in weight is about 300lbs, so my guess is the g37 might be able to hit 60 right around 5 even

[CWPspeed3]

Thats cool, I didnt know enough about them to know that. So depending on your mods and the drivers I'd think it would lead to some pretty close races.

[Kain]

Since we're mag racing, most of the official tests seem to get a 0-60 of 5.5 seconds, give or take a tenth. The old G35 (which IMHO was easier on the eyes than the G37) was in the low 6s.

[oaklandopen]

Since we're mag racing, most of the official tests seem to get a 0-60 of 5.5 seconds, give or take a tenth. The old G35 (which IMHO was easier on the eyes than the G37) was in the low 6s.

well i do enjoy magazine stats a lot better than hearsay and with-this-mod-i-can-do'ers. but i just did a search and i found a motor trend with a 5.0 to 60mph so whatever.

and i did like the g35 in the front a little better, but i think the rear of the g37 is a whole lot more evil looking.

http://g.imagehost.org/0051/g35_v_g37.jpg (http://g.imagehost.org/view/0051/g35_v_g37)

[MS3Zoom24]

Did he get the manual trans? Then it all becomes about the driver and the start. Should be fun regardless.

No one in my family gives a shit about cars so then its just my friends on this forum...

im with you, i have one friend that lives 200miles away thats into cars and my dad, but he tells me to keep it stock and gives me shit, then all the people in know at school are like well it get s me here to there(civics (pissed))

So its jsut me the the forum and my wife who is probably sick of it by now

[Trader]

I assume you have driven it? My friend has the exact same car. I was wondering, since you have driven both the MS3 and the G37S, which car do you feel would win a race from a roll. Given the MS3 has an intake, TMIC, TP, & Cobb AP??

Do you think I would take him??

[Kain]

I assume you have driven it? My friend has the exact same car. I was wondering, since you have driven both the MS3 and the G37S, which car do you feel would win a race from a roll. Given the MS3 has an intake, TMIC, TP, & Cobb AP??

Do you think I would take him??

2SOONJR.

[matsuda]

I assume you have driven it? My friend has the exact same car. I was wondering, since you have driven both the MS3 and the G37S, which car do you feel would win a race from a roll. Given the MS3 has an intake, TMIC, TP, & Cobb AP??

Do you think I would take him??

No, not close.
It would be like you were standing still.

[mazdaspeedster3]

No, not close.
It would be like you were standing still.

I highly doubt that! I have done freeway runs with 335i's and done just fine.

[matsuda]

I highly doubt that! I have done freeway runs with 335i's and done just fine.

The owners of the 335's must have filled them up with diesel fuel by mistake.

[mazdaspeedster3]

Say what you want. It was actually the service manager of the BMW dealership by my house.

[leadf00t]

Give me a break, your talking about tenths of a second in most cases. All it takes is a minor hiccup from either driver, and it could go either way. Were not talking about a 10 second car against a 14 second car.

[mazdaspeedster3]

Thats what I am saying. I will say this. that G37S is hella nice on the inside! There is a women running around town here with a blacked out debadged one, man is that thing nice!

[oaklandopen]

i haven't driven his car yet (it only has 30 miles on it so it shouldn't be driven hard for a little bit anyway). and the 335s are only 35 more hp than the ms3, but the g37 is over 65 more hp than the ms3.

he will let me drive it in the near future, and im sure im gonna have to be the one to fill him in on technology. the car comes with a hard drive for music and he has no clue, the NAV is different from his charger's NAV so i'll school him on that, and various other tidbits

[Trader]

No, not close.
It would be like you were standing still.


No way. It would definately be at least close. Remember I said from a roll and he is completely stock.

Considering the extra weight of the G37S the wtg/hp and wtg/tq ratios are pretty close with the stock MS3.

Here are the numbers:


ms3 w/loss ms3 modded g37s w/loss
wtg 3153 3153 3153 3662 3662
hp 263 223 265 330 280
tq 280 238 270 270 229

wtg/hp 12.0 14.1 11.9 11.1 13.1
wtg/tq 11.3 13.2 11.7 13.6 16.0




If you take a 15% drive train loss for both the ms3 and the G37s. You get the stock MS3 wtg/whp ratio is 14.1 to the g37s 13.1. So yes he would take me stock up top but even stock the ms3 would have more power at some point under the curve because the wtg/tq ratio is way better. (13.2 compared to 16.0)

Now the modded ms3 I used whp/tq at 265/270 with the intake, test pipe, cobb AP, and the TMIC. That seems to be about right. The MS3 looks like it would definately take it with the wtg/whp now at 11.9 to the g37s at 13.1. And the wtg/tq at 11.7 compared to 16.0.

[derspi]

I assume you have driven it? My friend has the exact same car. I was wondering, since you have driven both the MS3 and the G37S, which car do you feel would win a race from a roll. Given the MS3 has an intake, TMIC, TP, & Cobb AP??

Do you think I would take him??

Most likely not considering the better power/weight ratio. But I will say this, the old G35 coupe couldn't keep up with me. Could have been driver or it just could have been that THAT one was "tired." I do like the older G35 more than the new ones though, in terms of styling even though the old one has a really crappy interior.

[matsuda]

No way. It would definately be at least close. Remember I said from a roll and he is completely stock.

Considering the extra weight of the G37S the wtg/hp and wtg/tq ratios are pretty close with the stock MS3.

Here are the numbers:


ms3 w/loss ms3 modded g37s w/loss
wtg 3153 3153 3153 3662 3662
hp 263 223 265 330 280
tq 280 238 270 270 229

wtg/hp 12.0 14.1 11.9 11.1 13.1
wtg/tq 11.3 13.2 11.7 13.6 16.0




If you take a 15% drive train loss for both the ms3 and the G37s. You get the stock MS3 wtg/whp ratio is 14.1 to the g37s 13.1. So yes he would take me stock up top but even stock the ms3 would have more power at some point under the curve because the wtg/tq ratio is way better. (13.2 compared to 16.0)

Now the modded ms3 I used whp/tq at 265/270 with the intake, test pipe, cobb AP, and the TMIC. That seems to be about right. The MS3 looks like it would definately take it with the wtg/whp now at 11.9 to the g37s at 13.1. And the wtg/tq at 11.7 compared to 16.0.

My "not close" comment was not to be taken seriously.

What I can't figure out is this: Why does it matter if a G37S (or any other car for that matter) has a better (or worse) hp/weight ratio, 0-60 time, 1/4 time, etc.

I like my car for what it is and for the driving experience. How it compares to other cars doesn't change that at all.

If I wanted killer straight line performance, I wouldn't have even considered the MS3. Since straight line performance is not what the MS3 is about, why should anyone care if another car is quicker/faster?

[derspi]

If I wanted killer straight line performance, I wouldn't have even considered the MS3. Since straight line performance is not what the MS3 is about, why should anyone care if another car is quicker/faster?

Because deep down inside, there's always a bit of a ricer/racer in all of us.

[oaklandopen]

i shoulda known this thread was gonna go in the direction it did

[240ka]

yea it's manual...whenver you see a g37 with the red "s" it stands for the sport package, which is a 6speed manual.

im not sure about the 0-60 times for the infiniti, but the 370z has gotten times of 4.7. the difference in weight is about 300lbs, so my guess is the g37 might be able to hit 60 right around 5 even

go on MyG37 . c o m

some guys have run mid 13's with the G37.

one guy said he had to powershift to do so

[240ka]

i haven't driven his car yet (it only has 30 miles on it so it shouldn't be driven hard for a little bit anyway). and the 335s are only 35 more hp than the ms3, but the g37 is over 65 more hp than the ms3.

he will let me drive it in the near future, and im sure im gonna have to be the one to fill him in on technology. the car comes with a hard drive for music and he has no clue, the NAV is different from his charger's NAV so i'll school him on that, and various other tidbits



335i's are under rated.

plenty of guys haave dynoed it and put down nearly 330 horse and 350 tq...stock

they run mid 13's consistently

G37's range between 13.5 and low 14's

styling wise. i like the G37 better than the G35. G35 looks outdated

[altspace]

i shoulda known this thread was gonna go in the direction it did

LOL...you posted in a MS3 section. Bound to happen. Don't mind them here. Congrats for your dad. Hope you get to enjoy it with him.

[oaklandopen]

^^^weird. it's like the opposite of what happened to the rx8 when it first came out

[derspi]

LOL...you posted in a MS3 section. Bound to happen. Don't mind them here. Congrats for your dad. Hope you get to enjoy it with him.

You're just upset coz I beat you to it!

I'm just poking fun. I just find it odd that someone would consider it strange for a bunch of car enthusiasts on a public forum to bench race.

Come on - that's just what we do!

[oaklandopen]

You're just upset coz I beat you to it!

I'm just poking fun. I just find it odd that someone would consider it strange for a bunch of car enthusiasts on a public forum to bench race.

Come on - that's just what we do!

you see i originally wanted the route of this thread to go into a bunch of "1-upper" stories, but it ended up just becoming another "drivers race" or "with a cai and turbo inlet you could leave ________ in the dust" sort of thread

makes me miss the gixxer forum when ppl would tell others who wanted to mod their bikes to "shut the fuck up and learn how to ride"

[MSMS3]

No, not close.
It would be like you were standing still.

So why would a MS3 with the mods in question be so much slower than an 335i? That has not been my experience, on the highway or in "magazine" or "bench" racing.

Compare the attached acceleration curve on the 335i, (courtesy of Road and Track) especially from 60-100 mph or higher, but just about anywhere above 30 mph (we do have our launch problems), with the attached accelerometer run on my lightly modded MS3.

Perhaps this explains why I have had no problem (with modest mods) pulling away from 335i's at highway speeds, and probably could give one a very serious run for the money even from a dig. Apologies for poor res graphics. Will try to post a clearer one later.

[Saskatchewan17]

I'm just going to say, Congrats to your dad! Those things are pretty mean, and I love the VQHR. Awesome engine.

[controlo]

sick car for sure!

if you ever go shopping, you can insist that you put the bags in your roomy trunk. lol

[oaklandopen]

sick car for sure!

if you ever go shopping, you can insist that you put the bags in your roomy trunk. lol

Oh theres no comparison. And the G's glove box is a joke, especially compared to the 3's. And you should see the size of that cars owners manual, ill take a pic of it sometime

[mazdaspeedster3]

So why would a MS3 with the mods in question be so much slower than an 335i? That has not been my experience, on the highway or in "magazine" or "bench" racing.

Compare the attached acceleration curve on the 335i, (courtesy of Road and Track) especially from 60-100 mph or higher, but just about anywhere above 30 mph (we do have our launch problems), with the attached accelerometer run on my lightly modded MS3.

Perhaps this explains why I have had no problem (with modest mods) pulling away from 335i's at highway speeds, and probably could give one a very serious run for the money even from a dig. Apologies for poor res graphics. Will try to post a clearer one later.

Right there with ya...

[madvillian]

i knew this would turn into a 'which is faster' argument. not necessarily a bad thing though i suppose. i think the g37's are a beautiful car, wouldn't change a thing about them, especially in the pearl white color. tell your pops congrats, and that your car is still faster.

[Speedkid]

There pretty nice cars nice buy.

[Sphincter]

Who cares if the new G37 is a tad faster then our cars! The local dealership in Orlando has them for $41-$45K, I paid $20K less for my Speed3. Same thing with a 335i, that's a $45-$50K car. I think everyone who's got a Speed3 should be pretty happy of how fast and capable our cars are. It's affordable speed with pretty decent styling. Who else can offer that, Cobalt or a Neon? No thanks. Look at Cobalt SS, cost as much as our cars, but they suck so bad. My buddy's got one, the day he drove it of the lot the suspension made a shit load of noise, no independent rear suspension, can't put your spare on the front two tires...
But anyways, we are comparing G37 to a Speed3. $20K difference in price, but pretty much same speed, minus nice luxury bits. Drop that extra $20K into our cars and you'll have hard time seeing G37 in your rear view mirror.

[Russm]

The two I have run into around Milwaukee wern't faster at all, pulled them straight and into corners, BMMER's too even a M3, M5 kinda left me a little.
MSCAI/MSCBE but we wern't racing, just trying to get in to the same whole in traffic.

[Speedkid]

Who cares if the new G37 is a tad faster then our cars! The local dealership in Orlando has them for $41-$45K, I paid $20K less for my Speed3. Same thing with a 335i, that's a $45-$50K car. I think everyone who's got a Speed3 should be pretty happy of how fast and capable our cars are. It's affordable speed with pretty decent styling. Who else can offer that, Cobalt or a Neon? No thanks. Look at Cobalt SS, cost as much as our cars, but they suck so bad. My buddy's got one, the day he drove it of the lot the suspension made a shit load of noise, no independent rear suspension, can't put your spare on the front two tires...
But anyways, we are comparing G37 to a Speed3. $20K difference in price, but pretty much same speed, minus nice luxury bits. Drop that extra $20K into our cars and you'll have hard time seeing G37 in your rear view mirror.
Yeah you have a good point.

[SBSPEED3]

i got my speed 3 last july.
i come back from school for thanksgiving and my dad has a 2004 porsche 911 turbo cabriolet...
i should say though that before i had the speed my dad was driving his magnum srt8, and before that it was a 98' jag xjr and before that it was a GMC typhoon... i dont think ill ever be able to 1-up my pops

[iredremix]

all i can really say now is "can your passengers get out the back without you getting out first?"


ROFL

[matsuda]

So why would a MS3 with the mods in question be so much slower than an 335i? That has not been my experience, on the highway or in "magazine" or "bench" racing.

Compare the attached acceleration curve on the 335i, (courtesy of Road and Track) especially from 60-100 mph or higher, but just about anywhere above 30 mph (we do have our launch problems), with the attached accelerometer run on my lightly modded MS3.

Perhaps this explains why I have had no problem (with modest mods) pulling away from 335i's at highway speeds, and probably could give one a very serious run for the money even from a dig. Apologies for poor res graphics. Will try to post a clearer one later.

As I stated previously, that comment was not to be taken seriously.

Sorry, but I don't get it about the 335i.
If it's faster or slower or whatever, why should I care? I don't own one.
Also, like the MS3, the 335i is not about straight line performance. It would be like comparing the lap times of 2 pickup trucks on a road racing course.

Anyone that does street race with their 335i needs to grow up and learn how to drive the car properly. Any moron can plant his right foot on the accel pedal.

[GoFast]

Who cares if the new G37 is a tad faster then our cars............

Good question but I would like to add to that; who cares about any of the other crap in this thread? Oh it only has 2 doors, it cost more, i can haul more, i paid less, the glove box is better on the MS3, etc....grow up people. It's like watching a bad case of my dad can beat up your dad syndrome. It's a different car....get over it.

Now I am giving you all a warning here...I am about to say something negative about them MS3, so if you are sensitive to this sort of thing, you should x out of this thread....























THE MS3 ISN'T THE BEST CAR IN THE WORLD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[oaklandopen]

fanbois are sad

[gonerogue]

i got my speed 3 last july.
i come back from school for thanksgiving and my dad has a 2004 porsche 911 turbo cabriolet...
i should say though that before i had the speed my dad was driving his magnum srt8, and before that it was a 98' jag xjr and before that it was a GMC typhoon... i dont think ill ever be able to 1-up my pops

Man, he had a Typhoon? That's pretty awesome.

[Saskatchewan17]

THE MS3 ISN'T THE BEST CAR IN THE WORLD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blasphemy!

[SBSPEED3]

Man, he had a Typhoon? That's pretty awesome.

actually he had 2... totaled one and then bought another! those things were pretty bad ass!

[MSMS3]

The two I have run into around Milwaukee wern't faster at all, pulled them straight and into corners, BMMER's too even a M3, M5 kinda left me a little.
MSCAI/MSCBE but we wern't racing, just trying to get in to the same whole in traffic.

Current gen M3's can run high 12 second quarters off of the show room floor. Must have been an older one.

But give OP dad's his due. The G37 is a nice car. It is a very nice luxury sedan with good but not exceptional performance. Think of it as four door Z car. It is worth its extra price.

Our MS3's serve a completely different mission, and serve it very well -- just different, and far more affordably.

[Sport6]

Current gen M3's can run high 12 second quarters off of the show room floor. Must have been an older one.

But give OP dad's his due. The G37 is a nice car. It is a very nice luxury sedan with good but not exceptional performance. Think of it as four door Z car. It is worth its extra price.

Our MS3's serve a completely different mission, and serve it very well -- just different, and far more affordably.

Some people here have broken into the high 12s with just motor mount and slicks so its not hard to think that it would be a close race when there isn't launching involved.

[MSMS3]

Some people here have broken into the high 12s with just motor mount and slicks so its not hard to think that it would be a close race when there isn't launching involved.

Well, I'm running 13.4's at 106-107 on street tires with a good CAI and 3 inch catless dp/rp. 0-60 is 5.1-5.2. 0-100 is about 11.4-11.6 seconds. My 60-100 mph times (probably the most valuable in this type discussion) are around 6.4 seconds.

I cannot run with a new generation M3 at launch or up top either. I've tried.

They are at least 1.2 seconds quicker to 100 than my best times and at least half of that is in gain above 60 mph. They put down 414 horses at the flywheel and weigh about 3600 lbs. Do the math. Typical times for them out of the box is 12.6-12.7 seconds in the quarter at 112 mph.

I'm running pretty well, but not that well.

[oaklandopen]

But give OP dad's his due. The G37 is a nice car. It is a very nice luxury sedan with good but not exceptional performance. Think of it as four door Z car. It is worth its extra price.


i actually think of it as a better looking 370z, because my dad actually got the coupe, not the sedan

and i believe it has excellent performance for it's class. i think it's considered an upscale mid-price in the 35-$45k range. my dad's is actually optioned out to an msrp of $44k, but there was an instant $5k off at that dealer.

but there's honestly not many cars in its class, and the ones that you can put in that price range and style don't really have the power. you can kinda put the mustang, camaro, challenger in with it but they're not considered luxury and they are heavy hogs and are expensive to option out. the bmw 335 2dr is around the same price if you don't put a lot of options in it, but still has less hp and tq.

the only other car my dad was kinda looking at in that class was the audi a5, but the regular a5 wasn't anywhere near the power, and the s5 started at like $10k more than the g37 with a crapload of options

[shadow1077]

G37 Coupe looks very nice! Congrats to your dad. I always wanted a G/Z 2 door coupe....

[MSMS3]

i actually think of it as a better looking 370z, because my dad actually got the coupe, not the sedan

. . . the bmw 335 2dr is around the same price if you don't put a lot of options in it, but still has less hp and tq.

Yes, the coupe is a very nice car and better optioned than the 335. But for some reason, the 335i coupe is fast and quick. I mean not M3 fast, but damn close to it. I think they are fibbing about the hp on that one.

I can pull on one from a roll, but their published quarter mile times -- 13.4 seconds at 105, are almost identical to my 13.4 at 106-107 with mods. That is a half second (five car lengths) quicker than the G37 coupe in the quarter.

Even so, I like the Infiniti better. Nice car. And it will be a lot more reliable than the Bimmer. Someone I work with has a G37 sedan and it's quite a nice upscale ride.

[dizzin9]

modified g37s > heavily modified ms3

[MSMS3]

modified g37s > heavily modified ms3

mildy modified g37 > $$$$$ than heaviest modified ms3

[Captain KRM P5]

G coupes are excellent and fun cars. nice choice over the charger for sure.

[HOBDisease]

modified g37s > heavily modified ms3

Modded Carrera GT > Heavily modded GTI

You see? There's no sense in comparing performance between 2 cars that are from completely different classes.

[Nismothecat]

Rwd>fwd

[oaklandopen]

ford windstar > bugatti veyron because it can carry more people

geo prism > suzuki hayabusa because you can drive in the rain and stay dry

go kart > harrier jet cuz i don't know how to fly

oh and here are the pics of the owners manual. i put the one from the ms3 next to it to make a comparison. it has velcro on the botton because it would never fit inside the glovebox, but it just goes on the carpet under the rear hatch and the velcro stops it from going anywhere. the car also came with a medical kit that tucks away nicely in a little cubby in the back

http://f.imagehost.org/0184/asdf.jpg (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0184/asdf)

http://f.imagehost.org/0847/asdfadsf.jpg (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0847/asdfadsf)

the case also contains a really nice pen

the manual is probably so big because there's a lot of technical jargan that goes along with the nav system and whatnot. im gonna have to school him on most of the stuff im sure, but im definitely jealous of his nav. you can program any type of maintenance interval you want, very large display, the backup camera system is awesome, and it has ipod integration and a built in hard drive. and a whole bunch of other tidbits

the one thing i noticed about it right away that i didn't like was the headroom. at 6'2'' i was grazing the ceiling at the lowest seat setting

[derspi]

THE MS3 ISN'T THE BEST CAR IN THE WORLD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG, oh nooos! Insta-ban!!

[Jon MS3]

anyone else have a one-upper parent/sibling/friend?

sure do. father's got a '97 Porsche 911 c2S (last of the oil coiled 911's, naturally aspirated with the turbo body.)

[MSMS3]

sure do. father's got a '97 Porsche 911 c2S (last of the oil coiled 911's, naturally aspirated with the turbo body.)

Beautiful car. Considered by collectors to be one of the most desireable 911's.

Didn't you mean "air cooled"?

[SBSPEED3]

sure do. father's got a '97 Porsche 911 c2S (last of the oil coiled 911's, naturally aspirated with the turbo body.)

nothing will ever beat the sound of those air cooled engines!!!
my dad has (in addition to the 2004 turbo cab) an '85 911 slant nose (turbo body), hes a bit of a porsche nut. that thing sounds so awesome!!!