View Full Version : fmic vs. upgraded tmic vs. stock tmic
was wondering if anyone had/knew the power gains from upgrading to either an aftermarket tmic like street units or a fmic like cobbs.
was looking to buy one so would really like some good info or suggestions thanks.
mazdaspeedster3
06-03-2009, 04:11 PM
The search will get you all the information you are looking for !
mattj3636
06-03-2009, 04:15 PM
corksport fmic ftw
AllLostThings
06-03-2009, 04:55 PM
I'm in the process of looking for an aftermarket TMIC. Less install work and stock location!
mikesul
06-03-2009, 10:48 PM
I know the FMIC is more efficient where it is mounted, but I feel safer with the IC up top. Too exposed for me. Maybe a scooped hood will be the way to go.
Mistersix
06-03-2009, 11:00 PM
i have the ets 3.25 incher. it was the second mod i did after an intake, and it made a very nice difference in overall acceleration. it will still heatsoak like any tmic but sheds heat way faster than the stock unit.
i did a lil test before i install the ets. i fired the car up and let it warm up to idle and touched the IC and it was pretty dam hot. blasted down the street jumped out and it had cooled a lil but still hot to the touch.
after i installed the ets i did the exact same thing. after the car had warmed up the IC was hot to the touch. blasted down the road to the same spot and pullled over to check it and it was actually cool to the touch. seriously, i was shocked. i expected it to be cooler and shed heat faster than the stock unit but not that much.
i've even pulled over to show my freinds and at first they'd be afraid to touch it thinkin its real hot, then they do and they are equally impressed.
its absolutely a worthy investment from a performance stand point.
was looking at corksports fmic but whats this ramair system it comes with? would it replace my cobb sri?
mr_mazda329
06-04-2009, 04:42 AM
was looking at corksports fmic but whats this ramair system it comes with? would it replace my cobb sri?
Yes, it would replace your SRI.
I'm getting my ETS 3.25 TMIC in a week or so. I can't wait to feel the gains(burnout)
caddistang
06-04-2009, 05:01 AM
No one is bringing up cp-e's fmic? i was hoping to hear some info on that one. or at least compared.
mattj3636
06-04-2009, 08:15 AM
the core isnt center, looks crappy. haha
ughh i like the corksport but i dont wanna get rid of my cobb sri.. can i just not put on the ramair or is it like mixed it with the whole system?
axisboldaslove
06-04-2009, 12:50 PM
TRZ TMIC with (C02, Meth, N02) ports with internal cooling coils
mattj3636
06-04-2009, 01:18 PM
u dont have to do the ram air, but ur paying for it and the filter, you know, but u dont have to, just hook up ur SRI to the provided inlet
and thats another thing i have a cobb turbo inlet as well would i have to get rid of that or does anyone know if i could run it with the fmic so i can run fill recirc because i was reading u cant fun full recirc with the corksport system?
mattj3636
06-04-2009, 04:23 PM
the first gen kit you couldnt, aka what i have.. but they give you a choice now, but if u have the inlet already, why do you like the corksport kit so much? i preferred the corksport for the fitment (fit perfectly) and cause it came with the intake adn inlet. which was huuuuuuge.
but if u already have both intake and inlet.. why not get turboxs or something?
Sphincter
06-04-2009, 05:21 PM
What about exhaust depot? It's only $750 now. Does anyone have it on their car? Any feedback on exhaust depot fmic would be great.
sleeperstang199
06-04-2009, 05:34 PM
TRZ TMIC with (C02, Meth, N02) ports with internal cooling coils
I didnt know that TRZ ever brought there TMIC to production. i knew that tru boost was running the prototype but he was selling it so......i was under the impression that they had dumped the idea.
Trader
06-04-2009, 05:37 PM
Yes, it would replace your SRI.
I'm getting my ETS 3.25 TMIC in a week or so. I can't wait to feel the gains(burnout)
Where did you order from?
PG is telling me it is going to be on back order for anther 6 more weeks!!!
I ordered May 22
FMIC. Harder to install, but worth every minute of it. Almost impossible to heatsoak, improved throttle response and obviously way more torque with the cooler air.
240ka
06-04-2009, 06:31 PM
What about exhaust depot? It's only $750 now. Does anyone have it on their car? Any feedback on exhaust depot fmic would be great.
no point. just buy their piping kit for 300 and buy a CXracing or godspeed core off ebay between 90-120 bucks.
thats what im doing.
im not paying extra for a completed kit when i can pay a lowerprice and buy it in two pieces
jlocurto
06-04-2009, 11:23 PM
TRZ TMIC with (C02, Meth, N02) ports with internal cooling coils
give it here!!
I didnt know that TRZ ever brought there TMIC to production. i knew that tru boost was running the prototype but he was selling it so......i was under the impression that they had dumped the idea.
yeah, he bought tru boost's car lol
Mistersix
06-04-2009, 11:27 PM
FMIC. Harder to install, but worth every minute of it. Almost impossible to heatsoak, improved throttle response and obviously way more torque with the cooler air.
improved throttle response with longer intake piping?(hand)
mattj3636
06-05-2009, 12:33 AM
there isnt an increase, but there isnt a decrease either, from a highway roll at least,
me vr my buddy with a 3.25 ets and we did 5 runs and i spooled up and took off same, if not faster. we switched cars for the 5th run too and he jumpd (in my car)..
i saw NO increase of turbo lag from a roll.
obviously from a dig there will be slight lag cause of the tubing, but i dont like to race from a dig in my car
axisboldaslove
06-05-2009, 01:31 AM
I didnt know that TRZ ever brought there TMIC to production. i knew that tru boost was running the prototype but he was selling it so......i was under the impression that they had dumped the idea.
i own tru-boost's car i bought it from him two weeks ago....yeah it's the only trz tmic with cooling coils to run nitrous, meth, water, or co2....and it has a huge ass 3" cold pipe
axisboldaslove
06-05-2009, 01:34 AM
give it here!!
yeah, he bought tru boost's car lol
what u want to buy the trz tmic with cooling coils?...i am looking to get a fmic! i am very interested if u want to buy it
240ka
06-05-2009, 01:39 AM
fuck yeah! I agree with you 100 % bro...........Cxracing on ebay and you can buy universal 2.5 inch to 3 inch to 3.5 inch piping that you cut yourself and a slew of intercoolers, all different sizes.
also....you can get with the inlet and out let on one side or opposite sides.
cheap cheap cheap!! you should see their turbo kit prices..lol I sound like I work for them but i am just very impressed with their selection and their prices for TOP quality products.
no, i was saying. just buy ED's FMIC Piping kit for 300. and buy a CXracing or Godspeed core from ebay.
going that route will keep you unfer 450 for a FMIC with proper piping
mr_mazda329
06-05-2009, 08:49 AM
Where did you order from?
PG is telling me it is going to be on back order for anther 6 more weeks!!!
I ordered May 22
From a local friend on the cheap.(drinks)
Sphincter
06-05-2009, 11:52 AM
no, i was saying. just buy ED's FMIC Piping kit for 300. and buy a CXracing or Godspeed core from ebay.
going that route will keep you unfer 450 for a FMIC with proper piping
Damn good idea man. Exhaust Depot says their piping is really efficient, which is one thing I want. Are CXracing and Godspeed good cores? Never heard anything about those two products. Are you going to go with their recommended size front mount (31x8x3)?
crossbow
06-06-2009, 10:47 AM
Upgraded TMIC
Quick Spool
Lower BAT's
Lower pressure drop (more efficient turbo)
Simple to Install/Replace (in less then 15 minutes)
Only 4 clamps and 2 hoses.
Still heatsoaks
Larger unit can actually hold more heat then stock, so it can take longer to shed said heat (depending on conditions).
FMIC
Much lower BAT's
Lower pressure drop (more efficient turbo)
Cool factor (plus/minus depending on owner)
Rapid and massive drop in BAT's once car is moving.
Slight Lag (depends on kit)
Will still have some heatsoak in traffic (from asphalt heat).
Raises Coolant Temps (Depends on kit)
Complex to Install or Remove
Complexity increases chance of a boost leak from multiple clamps/piping.
Lots of kit's, only a couple well engineered ones.
axisboldaslove
06-06-2009, 10:55 AM
in your opinion what is a well engineered fmic kit for the MS3 then?
mattj3636
06-06-2009, 10:56 AM
corksport ftw
axisboldaslove
06-06-2009, 10:57 AM
corksport ftw
are u using the corksport along with the ram air intake that came with it?
do u have any underhood pics?
crossbow
06-06-2009, 11:28 AM
Right now? The CP-E or Cobb kits. I haven't actually seen someone with the F2 kit, just people "talking" about it..and some guy test fitting it who doesn't know anything about intercoolers or the questions to ask. DCR is probably working on a kit too, it'll probably be top notch, but you can be guarenteed it ain't gonna cost no 750...it'll probably be 1-1.2k like all the other decent kits.
I never liked the corksport location of the intake on top of the engine...the whole point of the FMIC was getting stuff OFF the engine. Heat rises people!
But the corksport is the best overall bang for the buck, so everyone will keep buying it :). Just like everyone buys the fuel pump internals, then watches them fail, then buys them again, then watches another set fail...eventually everyone will just end up buying the full replacement pumps, but it'll take another year of failures before everyone finally realizes you can't calculate those types of tolerances with a caliper...
That's the budget way...it always ends up costing more in the end, but you can't ever explain that to someone, you just have to watch a few hundred people do it repeatedly on the forums.
Here's a tip...if you are buying a product with a notation such as "Version 2, or V2, or V3 etc" maybe you should look for a different product...lol.
mattj3636
06-06-2009, 11:46 AM
uhh, youll probly get just as much, if not barely any less heat soak from a SRI than the corksport intake on top? and all the heat shields? no matter what intake u have, air will always be heated by the time it gets to the inlet, its the intercoolers job to cool it off. besides i gaurantee the corksport kit gets the most free flowing air to the intake than any other kit considering its using the stock ducting.
iv felt the intake box and pipe up to the inlet after a hard days driving, and it doesnt get NEARLY as hot as the TMIC used to. maybe u should experience it first hand before saying how the intake heatsoaks.
and also, i have about 25,000 miles on my kit.. and it hasnt "failed" or showed any signs of failing. at all.
Here's a tip...if you are buying a product with a notation such as "Version 2, or V2, or V3 etc" maybe you should look for a different product...lol.
and the only reason corksport ahs 2 versions, is because the first version's inlet didnt come with a recirc option,a dn the second one does. i dont see how thats a reason to look for a different product?
heres a dirty dirty picture
http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr289/mbjohnson5/DSC_8428.jpg
http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr289/mbjohnson5/IMG_0110.jpg
and without the stock intercooler cover on
http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr289/mbjohnson5/DSC00161.jpg
the first gen kit you couldnt, aka what i have.. but they give you a choice now, but if u have the inlet already, why do you like the corksport kit so much? i preferred the corksport for the fitment (fit perfectly) and cause it came with the intake adn inlet. which was huuuuuuge.
but if u already have both intake and inlet.. why not get turboxs or something?
because it is in the same price range as the others and i have also heard good things about it. i dont know how soon ill be getting a fmic but with cobb ditching theirs im open to something different
mr_mazda329
06-06-2009, 03:05 PM
Upgraded TMIC
Quick Spool
Lower BAT's
Lower pressure drop (more efficient turbo)
Simple to Install/Replace (in less then 15 minutes)
Only 4 clamps and 2 hoses.
Still heatsoaks
Larger unit can actually hold more heat then stock, so it can take longer to shed said heat (depending on conditions).
They do heatsoak, but the newer ones actually shed heat quicker than the stock ones despite their larger size.
fastdreams
06-06-2009, 03:37 PM
What is so "well engineered" about the available FMICs? You realize they are buying a core from a known core mfg and then "engineering" pipes and brackets? Sure it takes some thought to get it right but it's not rocket science.
240ka
06-06-2009, 07:03 PM
What is so "well engineered" about the available FMICs? You realize they are buying a core from a known core mfg and then "engineering" pipes and brackets? Sure it takes some thought to get it right but it's not rocket science.
funny, i said the same thing in another FMIC thread
no i dont have logs and FMIC's arent rocket science
caddistang
06-08-2009, 08:07 AM
With that corksport top mount intake does it seem to take in alot of water when it rains or anything? Or i should ask how does defend against hydro lock?
mattj3636
06-08-2009, 08:27 AM
absolutely nothing, iv powerwashed the front end and driven behind semis, nothing
caddistang
06-08-2009, 05:34 PM
i assume the reason behind this would be from the engine heat evaporating said water. i didnt think of that before my previous statement.
mattj3636
06-08-2009, 05:36 PM
that and idk, not much water would travel up those ducts and the bit that does gets evaporated before it even reaches the turbo, nonetheless the throttle body
18psiWhiteMS3
06-08-2009, 06:51 PM
Cobb FMIC FTW!!!!!
Bravnik
06-08-2009, 09:30 PM
The only problem with the Corksport is I can guarantee your IAT's are higher than other peoples IAT's with our without a FMIC. Your filter and intake system is sitting right on top of the hottest part of the car and sucking that air directly into your intake. Now on the flip side they might actually be lower under WOT than others due to the air being forced in. But High IATs equal higher BATs as well.
The other downside would be the filter getting wet and dirt. Say you're traveling behind a Semi in pouring rain. Your filter has to be getting wet as you simply don't have much room for it to evaporate and there is a direct path to your intake. Now if it does get damp and you floor it a bit to get boost, you could possibly draw dirty water (as your filter has to get dirty quick due to direct access of dirt) up into your MAF and turbo.
What I would like to see would be some Logs of Corksport BATs and IATs as there simply have not been any because they are simply that rare. My IAT's are usually about 30degs lower than my BATs when just normal driving. Now of course this changes depending on what I'm doing. If I'm giving gas that separation goes down and my BATs tend to get closer to my IATs and drops faster than my IAT's (I have actually seen my BATs drop below my IATs at times). Now at a light my IAT's climb quicker than my BATs but my BATs also go up but not as fast and I have seen my IATs higher than my BATs in this instance.
Just as an example. At cruise today my IATs were 89Deg, BATs around 120 and my AAT were around 72 while cruising. Just to give a ballpark figure.
RC08MS3
06-08-2009, 10:10 PM
receiving my corksport kit tomorrow, cant wait!
so your saying a SRI isnt as bad as the ram air intake? i dont see how, they are sitting in the same conditions. If anything the ram air has a duct leading out, but the SRI dosent.
Havent heard of anyone having an issue with the filter getting wet
Speedkid
06-09-2009, 12:45 AM
finally
SubieKiller3
06-09-2009, 01:48 AM
(deadhorse
RC08MS3
06-09-2009, 08:47 AM
finally
lol i no dude, been waiting for how long?
Bravnik
06-09-2009, 10:46 AM
receiving my corksport kit tomorrow, cant wait!
so your saying a SRI isnt as bad as the ram air intake? i dont see how, they are sitting in the same conditions. If anything the ram air has a duct leading out, but the SRI dosent.
Havent heard of anyone having an issue with the filter getting wet
The Filter for the Corksport sits on TOP of the engine. An SRi sits to the side in an area not around heat sources. True they both suck in hot air from the engine, however the Corksport gets additional heat from the engine like a Hot Plate.
Not to say it's any better or worse, my point was that I would love to see some actual IAT/BAT logs to see how good the Corksport works. Hell it could be better, but there has really been no testing as far as I have been able to find.
As far as water goes, it has to get in there. Just look at the amount of dirt and rocks that gets onto the top of your engine from those little holes. I'm actually quite surprised at the amount I have to vacuum out when I clean my engine bay. You will need to stay on top of keeping that filter clean for sure.
RC08MS3
06-09-2009, 11:13 AM
i dont mind cleaning a filter, i mean that's what your suppose to do anyway, i bought the kit more for how clean the look was, covering all the clutter and wiring exposed once the top cover is off. exposed wiring looks like straight balls IMO, and if i could tuck all the wiring in the engine bay away i would. plus it adds more to the sleeper with my setup(blacked out core).
ill try and get some logs when i get it installed, what do you base your numbers on? an average or just a point in time concept?
Speedkid
06-09-2009, 10:09 PM
lol i no dude, been waiting for how long?
I know it been so long I forgot you order one lol.
RC08MS3
06-09-2009, 10:15 PM
u order urs = have it in 2 weeks
i order mine = have it in 3 months
awesome
Speedkid
06-09-2009, 10:29 PM
I order mines had it in two days it came from PA.
RC08MS3
06-09-2009, 10:47 PM
thanks for rubbing it in
Speedkid
06-09-2009, 11:00 PM
lol my bad.
turbos3
06-11-2009, 04:57 AM
Does anyone know the exact dimensions of the exhaust depot intercooler? Iwanna buy a cxracing or godspeed but not too sure which one is an exact fit. also, does ED sell just the complete piping for the ms3 or is it a universal kit? thanks
MTuning
06-11-2009, 08:39 AM
29x9x3. He sells the piping. It's on his site but will be better off calling directly.
Sphincter
06-11-2009, 12:43 PM
29x9x3. He sells the piping. It's on his site but will be better off calling directly.
I don't know where you got those numbers from. The core size that they use with their setup is 31x8x3.
They also sell the front mount piping kit, made for a Speed3, and it's only $300. That's the way I'm gonna do mine, get their piping and probably a cxracing intercooler. Way cheaper this way.
turbos3
06-11-2009, 01:34 PM
ok, i never saw the piping kit alone until just now, didnt look hard enough i guess. ok sounds like im gonna go that route as well. $400 FMIC sounds too good to pass up, ill post some pics as soon as i do it. But first, has anyone had any problems with the install? Does all of the plastic induction stuff need to be removed for it to fit?
MTuning
06-11-2009, 02:00 PM
the only issue i had with the ED piping is that it rubs on the passenger headlight and i don't have factory HIDs. my under tray bolts back up. All ducting on the hood will have to be removed.
These are my own fmic units, made by banco. Its 29x9x3.
turbos3
06-11-2009, 02:25 PM
does it create a problem or is it not a big deal? i have a sport also.
MTuning
06-11-2009, 02:40 PM
the rubber cap that covers the low beam bulb tends to pop off every once in a while. I'm sure moisture can get in there but it's not something that worries me personally. once the cap's off the piping doesn't come into contact with the headlight housing. it's just that tight of a fit.
turbos3
06-11-2009, 03:14 PM
sounds like its a liveable problem, def something i can live with. thanks for your replies. ill get on this as soon as i get around to ordering.
Sphincter
06-11-2009, 04:57 PM
Design:
We got the largest core we could fit in there with out having to hack up anything. We went with a 31x8x3 unit. Using the correct size tubing on the hot side, we were able to get the car to spool almost as fast as the stock setup!
Read Here (http://www.exhaustdepot.net/ms3frmoinkit.html)
MTuning
06-11-2009, 05:13 PM
yeah idk, i ran into that dilemma when i was picking a core too. I remember he was debating on 2 sizes and that was posted right before the GB. The boy i bought the piping from tried a 31in core and had to cut one of the IC coupler down. maybe it was his problem but i actually used a 28in core and everything was a tight fit. so if you were going in between those measurements for a core you'll be fine. i still don't understand how this is the only piping kit we can get right now.
Sphincter
06-11-2009, 08:21 PM
Hm, I don't know either. But if you say the 28" is a tight fit, then maybe that's the way to go. What core did you go with?
MTuning
06-11-2009, 09:14 PM
It's a Mishimoto core. Picked it up at JSCSpeed (free plug Aaron :)) since they're local. Pretty much another reason I went with a 28in core. I'm sure the 29-31in wouldn't change too much. it'll take atleast 8in tall to cover the mouth btw.
john blutarski
06-11-2009, 09:38 PM
It's a Mishimoto core. Picked it up at JSCSpeed (free plug Aaron :)) since they're local. Pretty much another reason I went with a 28in core. I'm sure the 29-31in wouldn't change too much. it'll take atleast 8in tall to cover the mouth btw.
Would you mind posting pics of yours installed? Thanks
Sphincter
06-11-2009, 10:42 PM
It's a Mishimoto core. Picked it up at JSCSpeed (free plug Aaron :)) since they're local. Pretty much another reason I went with a 28in core. I'm sure the 29-31in wouldn't change too much. it'll take atleast 8in tall to cover the mouth btw.
Would 9" tall be better? +1 on pics, post em!
MTuning
06-11-2009, 11:33 PM
i'll try to get pics
I think a 9" would be ok. I also didn't relocate my P/S cooler so I didn't have the extra space.
ncspeed21
06-11-2009, 11:45 PM
does any body have any pictures of the blacked out cp-e fmic!?
turbos3
06-12-2009, 02:39 AM
what is axtually being measured here? i wanna make sure im buying the right IC
Speedkid
06-12-2009, 05:30 PM
does any body have any pictures of the blacked out cp-e fmic!?
There some on the other mazda forum I seen a while back.
mr_mazda329
06-12-2009, 06:31 PM
FWIW...I kept up with my friends MS3 with a Cobb AP(18lbs map)/CPE FMIC, CPE DP-RP/ Injen CAI/ HKS SSQV with my car...so the TMIC FTW!
He barely pulls on me while I shift since he can go to redline.
ZoomZoomPSSH
06-13-2009, 09:00 PM
does any body have any pictures of the blacked out cp-e fmic!?
a guy actually had one up for sale here on the ms3 marketplace section...
had a nice sleeper look to it...
I personally like the way the COBB FMIC looks compared to the CP-e but from what I been reading (not just on here) the CP-e FMIC is no joke and is probably the one I will be going with
onelsono
06-18-2009, 09:36 PM
will the turboxs FMIC fit well with a cobb intake????
Sphincter
06-19-2009, 10:56 AM
M Tuning, where's the pics?
ncspeed21
06-19-2009, 08:55 PM
a guy actually had one up for sale here on the ms3 marketplace section...
had a nice sleeper look to it...
I personally like the way the COBB FMIC looks compared to the CP-e but from what I been reading (not just on here) the CP-e FMIC is no joke and is probably the one I will be going with
yeah man i saw it and the black looked amazing!! sleeper no doubt.
and i was a fan of the cobb one too but i heard nothing but great things about cp-e fmic!! so we will see!!
Speedkid
06-20-2009, 10:26 AM
a guy actually had one up for sale here on the ms3 marketplace section...
had a nice sleeper look to it...
I personally like the way the COBB FMIC looks compared to the CP-e but from what I been reading (not just on here) the CP-e FMIC is no joke and is probably the one I will be going with
CP-e makes pretty good stuff..
Speedkid
06-20-2009, 10:30 AM
will the turboxs FMIC fit well with a cobb intake????
I got the cpe sri and its a close fit it touching the pipe.
ZoomZoomPSSH
06-21-2009, 06:01 PM
CP-e makes pretty good stuff..
Yup they're no joke...
again i like the cobb overall (as far as performance and look)
but its been discontinued (dunno) and will be tough to find...
i dont think the "off centered-ness" (did i just say that lol) of the CP-e is that bad...it does a hell of a job...like its supposed to do...isnt that what counts the most?
all a matter of preference...by all means whoever wants to put whatever brand intercooler on their MS3 so be it...i respect ppl's decisions
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