Cobb Axes There FMIC... So sad

[djza2u1]

I noticed that they are no longer selling there FMIC.... Luckily i have my getting delivered Tomorrow. Just an FYI, if you are looking to buy one i would pick one up asap.

[stageup]

wow wtf, pulling out of the ms3 market faster now eh?
first shifter, exhaust, now fmic...

[djza2u1]

I think my hopes of a a coilover set, and cold air box are dropping faster the stimulus plan

[Mz3Hatch]

i heard they are pulling out of the MS3 market completely .. am i wrong?

[R3B]

that sucks... i was saving to buy one.

[djza2u1]

Lookes like they are getting out of the Mazda business and jumping into the HONDA busness. I see and they have an AP for the CIVIC SI.

"what is the world comming to when a man dressed like a bat takes all of my publicity"

[Captain KRM P5]

we're thinking of doing an FMIC

[mazdasp33d]

we're thinking of doing an FMIC

please do

[evilmonkey]

we're thinking of doing an FMIC

hell yes! Ken,...question...the ETD u have, is it the revised version for better fitment? (drive)

[fishdonotbounce]

Cobb got A LOT of shit from the mazda community and was met with a lot of unsupportive feedback during their run. Now this isn't saying that a majority of the mazda community gave them shit but you know how things go. Usually the idiots who can't wait a couple months for a quality product get angry and bitch and moan. The people who don't mind waiting say nothing. It's a shame that they're leaving but we'll always have our trusty old sponsors around to back us up (I hope). Shameless plug for all of our awesome sponsors (thumb)

[djza2u1]

we're thinking of doing an FMIC

I think that would be great. And would give you an edge when you compare it with your support. I perfere your PG products, now that i am familiar, due to your warranty and location, so keep em comming.
And just any fyi i am always willing to give my car up for new part retro-fitting, and testing.(attn)(attn)(attn)(attn)

All that said, if cobb is leaving up, then i will shed a tear ad have a minute of silence.

[mrjoshyman]

we're thinking of doing an FMIC


nething in the works, or just thoughts @ this time? what type of pricing would u b looking at & when do you think these would be available?

[Captain KRM P5]

nething in the works, or just thoughts @ this time? what type of pricing would u b looking at & when do you think these would be available?

actively pursuing an option for the community for end of summer


hell yes! Ken,...question...the ETD u have, is it the revised version for better fitment? (drive)

yes it is

[evilmonkey]

you rock ....i want one....but thats a different post...ima tard

[mazdasp33d]

oh just make sure you center it :)

[TheRealDefman]

i heard they are pulling out of the MS3 market completely .. am i wrong?


Looks like they are getting out of the Mazda business and jumping into the HONDA business.

That's kind of a bummer, I was starting to seriously consider an AccessPort and getting it Pro tuned, probably going to have to reconsider that now. The Standback looks like it's more of a pain-in-the-ass to install, but I'll probably end up going that way since they seem to be sticking with the MS3 community.

I reached out to Christian last week to see if there were any Plano trips in his future, never heard back from him. Maybe that's why?

[SallySpeed3]

From my understanding Cobb has only ceased NEW production for the mazda platforms. Meaning they will still keep up production of current products, but after seeing this post it makes me a little uneasy. I want an AP and their DP, but just don't have the money right now. I'll keep my fingers crossed that they keep making them!!

[djza2u1]

That's kind of a bummer, I was starting to seriously consider an AccessPort and getting it Pro tuned, probably going to have to reconsider that now.

Don’t rule out the AP it is a excellent tuner, and the access tune and pro tune are already available. If you want to get it custom tuned then don’t worry, just go to a shop with the pro tuning software and the tuner will do the rest. I believe that Cobb will not jump ship and abandon their maps. I think they will support what they have already made.

[sleeperstang199]

Cobb got A LOT of shit from the mazda community and was met with a lot of unsupportive feedback during their run. Now this isn't saying that a majority of the mazda community gave them shit but you know how things go. Usually the idiots who can't wait a couple months for a quality product get angry and bitch and moan. The people who don't mind waiting say nothing. It's a shame that they're leaving but we'll always have our trusty old sponsors around to back us up (I hope). Shameless plug for all of our awesome sponsors (thumb)

If i had a business that was profitable, and people bought and used my products. and despite there unfounded criticisims and incesent bitching they still bought my products.......and i was still profitable...........i would call that a good business. Cobb just needs to toughen up and grow up. so a few people bitched i guarentee that there was ten fold people that didnt bitch. so in short wah wah go play with a honduh. so yep i agree in short.......


+1 to ken. make a kit. Dare you to get it out before F2's kit. there ETA is tommorow, tommorow, tommorow.........man i must be in a bad mood today.

[Trader]

I hate to say this, but they should just raise their price point on some of the products if they are not turning a profit. I am sure people would still buy them.

[Protephile]

Anyone who wants a deal on the last production run of these FMIC's shoot me a PM. I'm probably going to get hold of at least some of the last ones.
Gary

[240ka]

Big deal, cobb wants to pull out. We have plenty other vendors making great products.

So I say to cobb "NEXT"

[bigdaddy]

hopefully they dont end up axing the turbo inlet before i can get my hands on one

[ymic]

Cobb got A LOT of shit from the mazda community and was met with a lot of unsupportive feedback during their run. Now this isn't saying that a majority of the mazda community gave them shit but you know how things go. Usually the idiots who can't wait a couple months for a quality product get angry and bitch and moan. The people who don't mind waiting say nothing. It's a shame that they're leaving but we'll always have our trusty old sponsors around to back us up (I hope). Shameless plug for all of our awesome sponsors (thumb)

This was COBB's biggest problem. Don't announce or sell a product unless it's ready to hit the market and doesn't have any problems. All that does is piss people off, and then you are selling an unfinished and unperfected product, which pisses people off even more. I bought an AP the day they were available and it was the worst purchase I've made for this car. All it did was made the car run worse with the "out of the box" tunes. Had it been a complete package when I bought it and not a year later, I wouldn't be so pissed.

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[240ka]

hopefully they dont end up axing the turbo inlet before i can get my hands on one

why pay 160 for an inlet when you can get one from Medieval or PG for 99?

that puzzles me

[treedspeed]

because some people want silicon and not metal for keeping temps down.
to each their own. i still can't understand why people are so off-put by cpe's fmic. who cares if it's not centered...my temps are better than anyone else in my area

[djza2u1]

IM looking at my new cobb fmic and wondering why the hell they would stop making it. It is beautiful!

[Captain KRM P5]

because some people want silicon and not metal for keeping temps down.


we've proven with dash hawk logs there is no difference between the silicone and steel. we still see temp drops of six degrees or more. i'd say for $99 thats well worth it.

corky bell, godfather of forced induction, goes to great lengths in far better engineering terms and science as to why steel is not only fine, but arguably better, than any other material for heat conductivity in relation to intake pipes and intercooler pipes. a good number of companies, bell engineering included, use stainless steel for charge piping. if your temps are way out of whack, i guarantee you it has more to do with post turbo intercooler efficiency and little to nothing to do with an air inlet.

[Captain KRM P5]

IM looking at my new cobb fmic and wondering why the hell they would stop making it. It is beautiful!

economics :(

[240ka]

because some people want silicon and not metal for keeping temps down.
to each their own. i still can't understand why people are so off-put by cpe's fmic. who cares if it's not centered...my temps are better than anyone else in my area

i could not rock an off center Core. theres no way in hell.

Intercooler kits that have off center cores=FAIL

[Sphincter]

^ Agreed.
F cobb, that shows how much they care about their paying customers that help to keep them in business. Why $1K for front mount setup? There are companies that charge way less for FMIC setups. Piping $300, core $200, there is your fmic. So all those of you who threw away $1K for cobb front mount, that's not good enough, people bitch too much, therefore they aren't selling them anymore.
Hey next time cobb releases something new make sure you praise them on daily basis for being the bestest company ever!!
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[treedspeed]

we've proven with dash hawk logs there is no difference between the silicone and steel. we still see temp drops of six degrees or more. i'd say for $99 thats well worth it.

corky bell, godfather of forced induction, goes to great lengths in far better engineering terms and science as to why steel is not only fine, but arguably better, than any other material for heat conductivity in relation to intake pipes and intercooler pipes. a good number of companies, bell engineering included, use stainless steel for charge piping. if your temps are way out of whack, i guarantee you it has more to do with post turbo intercooler efficiency and little to nothing to do with an air inlet.

very interesting info. thanks. i have a metal inlet, so i was just being devil's advocate...whatever


i could not rock an off center Core. theres no way in hell.

Intercooler kits that have off center cores=FAIL

intercoolers that cool worse but are centered = FAIL


^ Agreed.
F cobb, that shows how much they care about their paying customers that help to keep them in business. Why $1K for front mount setup? There are companies that charge way less for FMIC setups. Piping $300, core $200, there is your fmic. So all those of you who threw away $1K for cobb front mount, that's not good enough, people bitch too much, therefore they aren't selling them anymore.
Hey next time cobb releases something new make sure you praise them on daily basis for being the bestest company ever!!
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what the fuck is cobb going to release next?

[Sphincter]

what the fuck is cobb going to release next?

Heh, probably nothing for our cars.

[240ka]

intercoolers that cool worse but are centered = FAIL



intercoolers that cool just a well as cpes, are much cheaper and are centered makes CPE's off centered IC=FAIL(blarf)

[treedspeed]

intercoolers that cool just a well as cpes, are much cheaper and are centered makes CPE's off centered IC=FAIL(blarf)

can you show me some logs of other fmics cooling as well as cpe's fmic?
my temps are really good without meth. cobb is gone, so don't mention that one.
txs...how well does that cool?
corksport...how well does that cool with it's built in short ram
m3m...does anyone have this installed?
f2...they still making fmic for ms3?
exhaust depot...i don't even want to go there, but i will...

i have mscai and cpe fmic and my bat's are about 15 above ambient at wot, and about 20-30 degrees above ambient cruising/idling

[240ka]

no i dont have logs and FMIC's arent rocket sceience.

im not going to pay boocoo bucks for a name. and off center FMIC.

more power to you dude, but im going to pay less than 450 for my FMIC and achieve the same thing...MORE POWER and have extra money for other mods

people are running meth mostly when fully bolted. so i dont see what meth has to do with this

[MTuning]

i don't understand why noone is making piping instead of full kits. i got my ED piping CHEAP and IC. The setup w/hardware came out to be ~$500 in the long run.

[treedspeed]

no i dont have logs and FMIC's arent rocket sceience.

im not going to pay boocoo bucks for a name. and off center FMIC.

more power to you dude, but im going to pay less than 450 for my FMIC and achieve the same thing...MORE POWER and have extra money for other mods

people are running meth mostly when fully bolted. so i dont see what meth has to do with this

i'm not running meth...and i mentioned meth because it lowers temperatures silly.
i would also advise RE-THINKING purcahsing an fmic if you want power from it. cause i don't think you'll notice much of a power increase. it makes the turbo spool slower and you could even drop a psi or two. the biggest benefit i found to running an fmic is better temps.


i don't understand why noone is making piping instead of full kits. i got my ED piping CHEAP and IC. The setup w/hardware came out to be ~$500 in the long run.

yeah, this is a really good point. some piping kits would be great! and you go and buy your own core.

[240ka]

i don't understand why noone is making piping instead of full kits. i got my ED piping CHEAP and IC. The setup w/hardware came out to be ~$500 in the long run.

thats what im doing. buying EDs piping and buying a core from ebay.

how do you like the ED piping kit and how does it perform

[derspi]

economics :(

+1

Really doesn't surprise me at all considering so few people buy the FMIC kit. Same goes for their SS kit and probably very soon, if not already, their downpipe/TBE.

[240ka]

i'm not running meth...and i mentioned meth because it lowers temperatures silly.
i would also advise RE-THINKING purcahsing an fmic if you want power from it. cause i don't think you'll notice much of a power increase. it makes the turbo spool slower and you could even drop a psi or two. the biggest benefit i found to running an fmic is better temps.



yeah, this is a really good point. some piping kits would be great! and you go and buy your own core.

well, if the piping is at proper spec its shouldnt spool that much slower.

and i know why you mentioned it but i dont know what you brought it up when you arent close to fully bolted. theres no need for Meth with your mods so its a moot point

and its about better and more efficient cooling with little to no heat soak than adding alot power. especially on the tiny K04

[treedspeed]

do you know me?
do you know my mods?
do you want me to tell you?
i have an intake, an inlet, front mount, downpipe, standback, new valve, and i have a manifold coming. kindly take your foot from your mouth and place it somewhere else

[Sphincter]

I think most of the cores perform on an equal level, some just not as good as others. In this case which intercooler core is better, CP-e or cobb or GodSpeed or TurboXS? (Don't base your opinion on how widely known the brand is, or how many of your friends have one.) If one really is better then the other, then why, what makes it better other then the name?

[daonly1around]

we're thinking of doing an FMIC

oh really... i'm listening;)

[Nliiitend1]

I think most of the cores perform on an equal level, some just not as good as others...

If that sentence isn't self-contradictory, I don't know what is... (dunno)

[240ka]

do you know me?
do you know my mods?
do you want me to tell you?
i have an intake, an inlet, front mount, downpipe, standback, new valve, and i have a manifold coming. kindly take your foot from your mouth and place it somewhere else

well lets see, you stated this in your post


i have mscai and cpe fmic and my bat's are about 15 above ambient at wot, and about 20-30 degrees above ambient cruising/idling

so maybe you should go more into detail when stating your mods. now take your foot out of yours

[240ka]

If that sentence isn't self-contradictory, I don't know what is... (dunno)

wouldnt that statement be contradictory if he said

"I think most of the cores perform on an equal level, MOST just not as good as others..."?

he said
I think most of the cores perform on an equal level, some just not as good as others...

so im not getting how he contradicted himself(uhm)

[treedspeed]

well lets see, you stated this in your post



so maybe you should go more into detail when stating your mods. now take your foot out of yours

no, you just assumed that's all i had. that's the only shit i mentioned cause the only shit that really has to do with temperature. my downpipe doesn't get me any cooler temps, nor does my valve.
whatever though, you win

[240ka]

Thanks

[treedspeed]

np

[Nliiitend1]

wouldnt that statement be contradictory if he said

"I think most of the cores perform on an equal level, MOST just not as good as others..."?

he said

so im not getting how he contradicted himself(uhm)

His sentence structure implies that "some" in the second half of the sentence is referring to members of the "most" group that is referred to in the beginning of the sentence.

Poor sentence structure, I guess. (dunno)

I get what he's saying now. ;)

[crossbow]

FMIC's are not rocket science.

Just as with intakes, the simplicity of an intercooler, or merely "piping" design, is a common misconception. There is a lot of engineering involved with creating just the right balance in cooling, flow, and fitment for a particular platform, and a particular power goal.

It IS extremely easy to grab a core, some couplers, some cheap piping, and throw it all together. ANYONE can do that...and many have, with some success (in the speed6 and speed3 community).

Of course if you don't do any research, or planning, you can end up with a thrown together kit, that actually does more harm to the car, then good.

I highly recommend the following books if you're interested in turbo design/engineering, or creating your own FMIC.

http://www.amazon.com/Maximum-Boost-Turbocharger-Engineering-Performance/dp/0837601606/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244298851&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Induction-Performance-Practical-Supercharging-Turbocharging/dp/1859606911/ref=pd_sim_b_5


You'll learn how piping size, core size, endtank design, core type, and bov placement are all critical in a properly functioning setup.

Of the kit's on the speed market, the biggest problems tend to stem up with the oversized cores which increase lag, and cause coolant temps to spike well in the timing retard stages.

It is "technically" possible, to put together an FMIC kit, that causes power LOSS over the stock TMIC.

I think if anything, the amount of issues the aftermarket community has had with the speed platform should tell everyone just how much science and engineering is needed to do ANY modifications to a current generation platform.

[240ka]

im not. thats why im going to buy ED's piping kit and a proper sized CXRacing or Godspeed Core from ebay.

[JDM Sam]

forum gossip of the day :). rumor is i hear the FMIC and DP will still be available...

[fastdreams]

Just as with intakes, the simplicity of an intercooler, or merely "piping" design, is a common misconception. There is a lot of engineering involved with creating just the right balance in cooling, flow, and fitment for a particular platform, and a particular power goal.

It IS extremely easy to grab a core, some couplers, some cheap piping, and throw it all together. ANYONE can do that...and many have, with some success (in the speed6 and speed3 community).

Of course if you don't do any research, or planning, you can end up with a thrown together kit, that actually does more harm to the car, then good.

I highly recommend the following books if you're interested in turbo design/engineering, or creating your own FMIC.

http://www.amazon.com/Maximum-Boost-Turbocharger-Engineering-Performance/dp/0837601606/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244298851&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Induction-Performance-Practical-Supercharging-Turbocharging/dp/1859606911/ref=pd_sim_b_5


You'll learn how piping size, core size, endtank design, core type, and bov placement are all critical in a properly functioning setup.

Of the kit's on the speed market, the biggest problems tend to stem up with the oversized cores which increase lag, and cause coolant temps to spike well in the timing retard stages.

It is "technically" possible, to put together an FMIC kit, that causes power LOSS over the stock TMIC.

I think if anything, the amount of issues the aftermarket community has had with the speed platform should tell everyone just how much science and engineering is needed to do ANY modifications to a current generation platform.

Thanks for a thoughtful answer. You are correct it is not as simple as throwing things together because you can make them fit in there. :)

I have the Maximum Boost book by Corky Bell. Very enjoyable read. Though it is a bit dated I would suppose the lessons are valid.

[Captain KRM P5]

I have the Maximum Boost book by Corky Bell. Very enjoyable read. Though it is a bit dated I would suppose the lessons are valid.
you would be correct

[Drew7489]

oh just make sure you center it :)

werd lol

[SHAGwagn]

forum gossip of the day :). rumor is i hear the FMIC and DP will still be available...

and where does this good news rain from??

[guitarsoloist87]

I just talked to a guy here who used to do beta testing for cobb and he said that the company that makes cobbs products made a bunch of bad ones and cobb refused to pay for them, so the company won't make anymore parts so they are just focusing on the accessport for the time being.

[ericrapp]

I finally decided that next year i would buy the Cobb tuning tool Accessport. This is fn great. I recall when thet were still trying to break the codes and get a handle on the ecu. I read everything i could about the company. And CP-e. It took forever for release of the first edition. I assume, it was that the ecu was a bitch from Mazda engineers to fiddle with. well now that the protune is available i finally am ready. And now they are moving on. I surely will have to call them up about this. I remember them being friendly and helpful way back in 07. A shame i suppose. what do you mean by bad ones warped snail?

[cpolly69]

I finally decided that next year i would buy the Cobb tuning tool Accessport. This is fn great. I recall when thet were still trying to break the codes and get a handle on the ecu. I read everything i could about the company. And CP-e. It took forever for release of the first edition. I assume, it was that the ecu was a bitch from Mazda engineers to fiddle with. well now that the protune is available i finally am ready. And now they are moving on. I surely will have to call them up about this. I remember them being friendly and helpful way back in 07. A shame i suppose. what do you mean by bad ones warped snail?

it's only the parts they are supposed to be moving away from - they are still supposed to sell and support the ap

[ericrapp]

Thanks i do feel better now. What is going on are they focused on gt-r now?

[cpolly69]

For quite some time, the MAZDASPEED community has, in large part, been confrontational, disrespectful, unprofessional, vulgar or childish regarding any announcements and/or business decisions COBB Tuning has made on public forums. Responses ranging from outrage and profanity to threats of intellectual property piracy have become the normal reaction when things don't go exactly to their wishes. No amount of professionalism, realism or rationale has worked in turning these communications into more constructive discussions.

Although COBB Tuning is a business, it is made up of enthusiasts that work here and they love what they do. Everyone gets a lot of satisfaction from taking on the hard projects like cracking and controlling the MAZDASPEED ecu and making it do what no one else does. When ongoing criticism to these efforts is "**** COBB" or "I'm going to hack your software and give it away" or "**** these OTS maps" or "Hopefully Cobb will get it's head out of it's ***", it tends to make everyone less enthusiastic about working on it.

We have decided to bring MAZDASPEED development to a close because no one at COBB finds it rewarding to put in the hours and hours of effort just to have so many people spouting negativity and insults. In fact, many of our pro tuners have been monitoring the MAZDASPEED forum discussions to gauge interest and have come back with "Uh, nevermind...not worth dealing with it" responses. It's a shame that while the MAZDASPEED community is demanding more performance products from manufacturers, the tribal infighting, Lord of the Flies atmosphere and unrestrained attitude displayed on the forums is actually driving choice and new development out of the market. It might be fun for some, but the entire community suffers as a whole.

Regards,

Gary Sheehan
Director of Marketing
COBB Tuning

That was floating around for some time - I don't know the whole story with these guys - I've got everything I want except an fmic & fuel pump and I believe I'll go w/CPE when I'm ready for those - I wanted the AP as I have been excited about afr, but I've recently discovered the tuning shop that is local to me and has a great rep. says they don't see the results and what's promised out of afr and will only work with the sb - so i may wind up going that way too even though it's more expensive