GT25; Stay or Go? What do you guys think?

[mzspeed14.0]

alright, so now that im about finished collecting forged goodies im looking into what kinda power i can make (finally).. This is my daily driver, is 15 lbs of boost on the GT25 too much? Whats the most people are putting down with the our stocker turbs? Check my sig, whats she gonna be capable of? Any and all help is much appreciated! (bowdown)

[SeR_Cyclops]

Get a gt28rs, that way you can see some power out of your build. and on a side note anything over 14psi on the stock turbo is really knocking on the door of the limit on the stock turbo.

[junya1985]

Yeah def get rid of the t25 with a forged motor trust me i got a 28rs its so much nicer

[mzspeed14.0]

haha, man you guys are killing me! money doesn't grow on trees you know. So whats the T-25 good for (dunno)

[zuku26]

T25 is good for a paper weight compared to GT28RS. LOL J/k . If your ur plan is forged with high boost your better off doing away with the T25. It's a good turbo esp on the stock the motor, but if your going to spend the time and money going forged you might as well put that to use and upgrade the turbo. Most peeps go forged so they can run the Gt28RS or bigger.

[Ricktalife]

F the 28rs, get a GT30!

[lp216]

X2, think big, go GT30! lol

[slo03.5msp]

3071 ftw!!!!!!!!!

[zuku26]

or build the GT28rs to Gt30!!!

[jeffmsp]

stick with the stocker unless you want to upgrade the trans (big$) 1bar @ redline on the stocker pulls very hard, more than most would ever need for a DD.

[mzspeed14.0]

stick with the stocker unless you want to upgrade the trans (big$) 1bar @ redline on the stocker pulls very hard, more than most would ever need for a DD.

What kinda HP/times will i be making at 1 bar? I still need the peace of mind that i can pull on just about anything (drive)

[KrayzieFox]

I still need the peace of mind that i can pull on just about anything (drive)

You have the wrong car..

I vote for the GT28RS. You'll never have a strong enough tranny to make full use of a GT30, so why bother?

[SeR_Cyclops]

You have the wrong car..

I vote for the GT28RS. You'll never have a strong enough tranny to make full use of a GT30, so why bother?

Not true, get a PAR tranny FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!! (drive2)

[Wagonbacker9]

I'll chip in and agree, no point in a GT25 on forged internals... especially if you plan on supporting that much boost.

[mzspeed14.0]

well damn, looks like im gonna need to start setting even more $$ aside. I think the reason we drop so much moo-lah in MSPs is because they look soooo fukin good! its gotta be! Alright, lets talk some dollars and cents: so whats my puney current setup worth? (namely the su pipes, BOV, stock turbo, mani and DP) Im trying to get a ball park idea of what im going to need to spend on top.(shrug)

[Wagonbacker9]

depends, but you could use all of that on a 28RS until you were ready to upgrade piece by piece. or upgrade the other parts, THEN upgrade the turbo... (I would go that route)

[mzspeed14.0]

depends, but you could use all of that on a 28RS until you were ready to upgrade piece by piece. or upgrade the other parts, THEN upgrade the turbo... (I would go that route)

I was just thinking if i got enough for my setup, id go after that 3K MAM kit... Just tossing around ideas.. (im also thinking about winning the lottery)

[Wagonbacker9]

I'd work on that last part first.

[HondaEat-R]

I'm in a similar situation as you. I have a full PAR tranny, built motor but stock turbo.. My problem is that the t25 combined with my gearing produces nothing but spinning wheels, yet no breath in the high RPMs. Lame. I need something that spools almost as quick, but wayyy more top end. Bottom line is, the t25 at 14 psi with full bolt ons is fast, but if you're going through a forge build you should consider something with a little more breathing capabilities. I'm unsure of what turbo I'll be getting..... Then again, you could just push the stocker and use the built motor as insurance....

[SeR_Cyclops]

Honda you should go with a BIG turbo because you have a good strong motor with a hell of a tranny. The only thing i would worry about on your car is the LSD.

[Wagonbacker9]

the LSD will hold together... just doesn't put power on the ground like a quaife would... definitely a good candidate for a 3071.... lol let you get traction before it comes on and gives that nice set of rotating components hell. lol

[_MSprotegy]

dont forget that if you go with the 28rs (which you should) you might want to look into upgrading fuel and a larger intercooler (front mount)
youll need more air and fuel with a larger turbo rather than the stock i believe

[Wagonbacker9]

dont forget that if you go with the 28rs (which you should) you might want to look into upgrading fuel and a larger intercooler (front mount)
youll need more air and fuel with a larger turbo rather than the stock i believe
he's got an upgraded side mount (acceptable, but not ideal IMHO), and he's already got an AFC on it...

[SeR_Cyclops]

He has a FMIC look at his sig, its a perrin.

[Wagonbacker9]

What am I reading wrong....


He has a FMIC look at his sig, its a perrin.

-Injen CAI, Custom MSP SMIC, SU hardpipes,

[zuku26]

Honda has the Perrin. The OP is running an upgraded side mount

[HighwayUFO]

Since you are going forged, I would suggest a T3 turbo from Protegegarage.com. The GT3071 is awesome if you have the cash flow for it. Get some fuel injectors and a 255lph pump, engine management of some kind and you should be set. You can run less boost on the T3 and get the same numbers that you would get out of a GT28 with higher boost.

Get a FMIC, cause you will heat soak that SMIC in no time at all.

[HondaEat-R]

Sorry for the threadjack.

I feel like a gt30 is overkill, regardless of what MSP Sam says in his FAQ. I'm not trying to make huge power becuase I've NEVER dragged this car and NEVER intend to, I just want a smooth and CONSISTENT power band. A turbo that spools too late on these cars is silly IMHO becuase our redline is pretty low, and I wouldn't want to rev the crap out of this Ford motor without upgraded valvetrain parts. GT28rs is good enough for me. Also consider my gear ratio, which is something that contributes to how fast and when the turbo spools. To be honest, next time I buy a car I'm going for something that's either fast bone stock, or a economical DD and I'll get back into sr20det's for weekend fun.

[HondaEat-R]

Honda you should go with a BIG turbo because you have a good strong motor with a hell of a tranny. The only thing i would worry about on your car is the LSD.

I broke a tooth off of the PAR ring gear just driving this car like an old woman, must've been a fluke incident but regardless it broke. $2,000 and 2 weeks later (shipping from Australia sucks)... I was back in business.... I had the Quaife, sold it. Now I have the welded Torsen style w/ ARP bolts. I never ever launch my car so the LSD should hold up ok, I hope..

UFO : I was looking at T3's because of cost but, then I have to get a custom downpipe which kind of cancels out the savings.

[protegerider]

Sorry for the threadjack.

I feel like a gt30 is overkill, regardless of what MSP Sam says in his FAQ. I'm not trying to make huge power becuase I've NEVER dragged this car and NEVER intend to, I just want a smooth and CONSISTENT power band. A turbo that spools too late on these cars is silly IMHO becuase our redline is pretty low, and I wouldn't want to rev the crap out of this Ford motor without upgraded valvetrain parts. GT28rs is good enough for me. Also consider my gear ratio, which is something that contributes to how fast and when the turbo spools. To be honest, next time I buy a car I'm going for something that's either fast bone stock, or a economical DD and I'll get back into sr20det's for weekend fun.

the GT3071R spools pretty quickly. its the GT3076R that spools slower. for the GT3071R you would have to get the option of a GT28 housing anyway so it can clear the block. go with the GT3071R!

[orng1]

alright, so now that im about finished collecting forged goodies im looking into what kinda power i can make (finally).. This is my daily driver, is 15 lbs of boost on the GT25 too much? Whats the most people are putting down with the our stocker turbs? Check my sig, whats she gonna be capable of? Any and all help is much appreciated! (bowdown)

Is this a serious question. I wouldn't even think about a T2 with a built motor.

[mzspeed14.0]

Is this a serious question. I wouldn't even think about a T2 with a built motor.

ouch and yes. I dont want a racecar, i want reliable power.

[orng1]

I was VERY happy with a smaller T3 42trim. Very nice, Neox had it, custommsp ran mine for about a week. Both enjoyed it, its great as a daily driver.

[JCell]

i love my lil gt25. pulls really nicely for a daily driver at only 8 psi. if i had a tune i could go up to 10, which would be awesome

[BadBandar]

I would stick with a 28rs. GT30 seems alittle overkill kill for our cars. With a 28rs ull get into 300hp range easily. But thats just my opinion.

[mzspeed14.0]

so anyone know where i can pick a 28rs for a good price?

[KrayzieFox]

Just go to ProtegeGarage. Free shipping, and you know you're gonna get a legit turbo. I wouldn't trust eBay or any other third party little online retailer when it comes to turbochargers.

[HondaEat-R]

Lots of times the Sylvia forums have new or hardly used turbos on there for good prices. New, you're looking at maybe $1,000 - $1,200 anywhere.

[mzspeed14.0]

Will this work?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/-NEW-garrett-gt2860rs-disco-potato-ball-bearing-turbo-_W0QQitemZ280341487922QQcmdZViewItem#ht_500wt_1214

[zuku26]

The T25 was good until I got the GT28rs...now I can't believe the cars didn't come this way stock!!! At only 6 psi my cars is is way faster!!
Just pick it up from PG and save yourself the hassle of getting fucked up shit!! I could see getting a turbo off ebay at like $200 but when your going to drop a grand make sure you have customer service to back that up!!

http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?cPath=32_181&products_id=844
and be done with it!!!!!

[HighwayUFO]

This man speaks the truth. Never buy anything from ebay if it has moving parts.

[orng1]

I had a regular sleeve bearing T3 and it leaves the T28 in the dust. Even Neox noticed the difference, I got him the same smaller T3 since he said he wanted a perfect daily driver. Almost no lag with that turbo either. Very easy to drive.

For the cost of a disco I'd rather go and convert to a T3. Its just a few hundred more.

[zuku26]

I forgot the forged factor so T3 would be an option. BUT now your talking built tranny ect. GT28RS easily takes the the tranny to it's and well beyond it's limits. The T3 takes the tranny to it's limits easily quickly!!

[HondaEat-R]

Will this work?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/-NEW-garrett-gt2860rs-disco-potato-ball-bearing-turbo-_W0QQitemZ280341487922QQcmdZViewItem#ht_500wt_1214

That will work, yes. Buy it from wherever you want...Just stick to proven manufacturers I.E. the brands listed here. It's not like Ebay made the turbo. Plus, the warranty on turbos is a joke anyways, trust me. Whether it be Garrett, Precision, Greddy, HKS etc... They will ALWAYS find a way to make the equipment failure your fault. It's business. All they really take care of is defects of manufacturing that are found before you install it.

Yeah, buy a T3. So you can buy a new downpipe and exhaust manifold to go with it.... Those saying a T3 is better than GT28rs, have you owned both ? Or are you kinda blindly insisting your setup is better ?

Additionally, if you can keep yourself from driving like a douchebag, your tranny will probably be fine... Half the reason all these things break on our cars is because they're weak, the other half is because people don't take that fact into consideration, and consistently launch their car like it's a god damn Pro Street dragger.

The real question here is "How much power do you want, and how deep are your pockets ?"

[zuku26]

I only currently have the GT28RS and love it..I have done plenty of research on the T3 and many seen to be very happy. The nice thing about the GT28RS is that it's a near stock bolt up replacement. You need to do some oil/coolant line fab but the exhaust is all bolt up. We even got the stock plastic pipes on till my new stuff had come in

[HondaEat-R]

I'd def like to hear from those who ran 28RS's and switched to T3's. I have genuine interest in this, not just being a dick.

[HighwayUFO]

A buddy of mine has an MSP, and we put a GT28RS on it. Having driven it, like everyone else here, it pulls damn hard. He set his boost controller to 10 psi, to match the PSI I'm running on my T3. He got a little jump, but in the end I had put some cars on him. Don't have the time slips, I think he does.

[HondaEat-R]

I'm not so much interested in who won a race(too many variables) as I am in knowing how the turbo performed in different areas. Lag, spool time, the way it breaths in dif RPM ranges. I was hoping someone ran a gt28rs, then switched to a T3 and thought it to be the better performer. I'm thinking I'll just stick to the 28rs for now.

Major thread jack on my part here...sorry bro.

[mzspeed14.0]

Major thread jack on my part here...sorry bro.

no worries, great info! I cant buy anything untill I get my stuff sold tho (sad2)