Medieval Motorsports rear motor mount?

[JOSER_SPEED6]

I'm looking into getting a rear mount for my MS6 and came accross this on ebay. Is anyone using this mount? I have never heard of this company. It kinda looks like the AWR mount but it says it uses 65A Hot Poor Urethane and it suppose to hold like a 100 duro but 85% less vibrations. I was going to order the SU mount but their out of stock for 3-4 more weeks and the AWR mount is too loud and the CP-E is ugly (I know its under the car but the SU mount looks nicer)

Anyway if any one knows about these, let me know what your thoughts are on them, if not I'm gonna have to wait til SU gets more in stock. BTW its $58 and free shipping. Thanks.

[edited for links to unauthorized vendors]

[amilliems6]

i would not recommend getting a part for ur car especially a motor mount from ebay

just my 02.

[JOSER_SPEED6]

i would not recommend getting a part for ur car especially a motor mount from ebay

just my 02.

I was on there hoping to find a used SU mount and just happend to find these and was asking if anyone had heard of them.

[Blendercloud]

This may be a little more complex than what you're looking for, but you can check out the link below for an explanation of urethane hardness. It's not just about the designated hardness of the material. The hardness is only one portion when factoring out the quality of the types of material that these motor mounts are made of. In order to back up their claim that their motor mount is as strong as a 100 durometer material, they should have test evidence against a 100 durometer material.

Essentially, what I'm saying is there may be some truth to their claim, because urethane hardness does not decide urethane quality (it's based on microstructure of the physical material). However, if they have developed and replicated this microstructure for each and every one of their motor mounts, then they would likely also have all the necessary test documentation (outside of proprietary chemistry information) in order to back up those claims.

http://www.gallaghercorp.com/urethane/designguide/hardness.shtml

Hope that helps!

[JOSER_SPEED6]

This may be a little more complex than what you're looking for, but you can check out the link below for an explanation of urethane hardness. It's not just about the designated hardness of the material. The hardness is only one portion when factoring out the quality of the types of material that these motor mounts are made of. In order to back up their claim that their motor mount is as strong as a 100 durometer material, they should have test evidence against a 100 durometer material.

Essentially, what I'm saying is there may be some truth to their claim, because urethane hardness does not decide urethane quality (it's based on microstructure of the physical material). However, if they have developed and replicated this microstructure for each and every one of their motor mounts, then they would likely also have all the necessary test documentation (outside of proprietary chemistry information) in order to back up those claims.

http://www.gallaghercorp.com/urethane/designguide/hardness.shtml

Hope that helps!

This is a little more complex of a response than I was looking for but I see what you saying. I guess my main concern about these mounts is weather or not they are good quality and actually do what they claim they're suppose to do. I guess the only way to really find out is to get it, but I dont want to be the ginnie pig cause odd's are I'll get what I paid for.....a cheap mount.

Maybe I'll just until SU gets in their new batch of mounts.

[tunersteve]

The Medieval one is a blatant ripoff of the AWR one. Save your money and get the AWR, no reason to spend over $100 for a rear mount.

And please, save yourself and don't buy anything for your engine on ebay unless it's a legitimate part from a known vendor.

[bgibb68]

the medieval mounts and stuff on ebay is nothing to worry about.....i bought the full set for my p5 and it's still dsmotorsports that is selling on ebay

[taylorex]

There is nothing wrong with Ebay. Every company from AEM to CPE is on Ebay. As for Medieval, just do a search, they are on this forum and on MSF. I have all their mounts on the 3 and love them.

[el_Don]

If you're in the 3 and protege threads, you'd find out that there's a battle between AWR, Protege Garage, SU, and Medieval. I hear that the Medieval mounts are good because they hold well and don't give too much vibrations, but some people who like to autoX think that a stiffer mount should be used.

[JOSER_SPEED6]

I wasn't aware there was a war going on with all those companys but I hardly ever go on the protege or 3 forums...intresting. From the research I have done, it seems the CP-E and SU mount are the ones that cause less vibrations. (for the Speed6) I've read the AWR is noisy. I'm not looking to Auto X my car, my wife and I have a baby on the way so I was trying to get something that didn't vibrate that much. My car has 53k miles on it and really needs a better mount. I can no longer tolerate the horrible shifting on this thing.....thats why I ordered the TWM SS as well. Decisions, decisions....

As far as ordering parts of Ebay, alot of people knock it but I've bought stuff from there before with no problems. I got my Turbo XS BOV for this car and countless other things on there for my old cars like CATS, headers, and bunch of other random parts. I dont know why people knock it so much.

[tunersteve]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123734086

Read that. It applies to the MS3 rear mount, but you'll notice some similarities.

Go with the 70 duro AWR. There's a reason they are used on the SWC cars.

[JOSER_SPEED6]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123734086

Read that. It applies to the MS3 rear mount, but you'll notice some similarities.

Go with the 70 duro AWR. There's a reason they are used on the SWC cars.

Thanks for diggin that up for me tunersteve. I've heard really good things about the AWR mount but the thing I hear the most is that they vibrate alot inside the cabin. If I didn't have a baby on the way I would care less. Since your running the AWR what is your honest opinion on the vibrations inside the cabin? Is it really that bad?

[tunersteve]

Thanks for diggin that up for me tunersteve. I've heard really good things about the AWR mount but the thing I hear the most is that they vibrate alot inside the cabin. If I didn't have a baby on the way I would care less. Since your running the AWR what is your honest opinion on the vibrations inside the cabin? Is it really that bad?

I honestly don't notice it anymore. You can tell more with the AC/defrost on, but you get used to it after a week. I'm running the 88 duro on mine. The 70 should be noticably softer, but firmer than stock.

[el_Don]

To be fair to Medieval, here's the message that they had in response to that link above:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123734503&highlight=Medieval

[tunersteve]

To be fair to Medieval, here's the message that they had in response to that link above:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123734503&highlight=Medieval

Thanks for posting that, I never read that.

One thing I'll say though, it seems like each design is a little different (you really can't stray too far from OEM) but it just seems like Medieval is taking aftermarket designs and mirroring them closely.

[JOSER_SPEED6]

I honestly don't notice it anymore. You can tell more with the AC/defrost on, but you get used to it after a week. I'm running the 88 duro on mine. The 70 should be noticably softer, but firmer than stock.

I am so confused about which one to get...AWR? Medival? SU or CP-E?

I've heard good and bad things about all of them. AWR and Medival seems better on the wallet but AWR seems to vibe more.

CP-E and SU seem like they vibe less than AWR but paying $140 for a mount is joke.

I think I'm gonna try the medival mount and see how that works out for me. Its cost the least and it seems to vibe less than the AWR from what I understand.

I'll try it out and write a review on it in a couple weeks. Thanks for everyones input!

[emitch]

please do...i have had this on my ebay watch list for a week now and have been waiting to pull the trigger as well. hopefully it proves to be a decent mount.

[Atreyu3388]

I am so confused about which one to get...AWR? Medival? SU or CP-E?

I've heard good and bad things about all of them. AWR and Medival seems better on the wallet but AWR seems to vibe more.

CP-E and SU seem like they vibe less than AWR but paying $140 for a mount is joke.

I think I'm gonna try the medival mount and see how that works out for me. Its cost the least and it seems to vibe less than the AWR from what I understand.

I'll try it out and write a review on it in a couple weeks. Thanks for everyones input!

To trump any doubts or concerns you may have about buying either of them (AWR or Medival) I will tell you, they are VERY easy to resell. Mine was sold in a matter of hours on here and cheap to ship too. Just to help ease your mind a bit. Also, Ken at ProtegeGarage is always willing to cut a deal, try contacting him.

[JOSER_SPEED6]

Sorry for the almost month delay on this. I finally got the mount in.....took forever to receive. I will be installing it this following weekend and do a write up on it, I was gonna try to do it today but being mothers day and all, and I dont have time during the week.....anyway I will install next saturday 5/16 and let you guys know what I think

[M@ck]

I just changed the oil on the MS6 and said while I'm here, mine as well install the DS rear motor mount. I wish I would of installed the mount when I first bought the car. Shifts sooo much smoother. No more jerkiness. I paid 58 shipped from Ebay. Great deal in my opinion! Install was super easy

[Drizz-OH!]

SU MM FTW! I installed the 62 duro mount about 2 months ago and love it. However, if I could do it again I'd bump it up to the next higher duro. This one feels just barely stiffer than stock. I was disappointed the way everyone talks these mounts up, it wasn't that big of a difference. It's worth it, but IMO a stiffer mount would be better.

[jimred07]

Yeah, I ordered and paid for one of these on 29th March. I must has asked for "clear" or "mountain fresh" because I cant see it....oh wait, it hasnt arrived yet and the supplier isnt returning my emails....

[JOSER_SPEED6]

Yeah, I ordered and paid for one of these on 29th March. I must has asked for "clear" or "mountain fresh" because I cant see it....oh wait, it hasnt arrived yet and the supplier isnt returning my emails....


Dude I know what you mean, it took the guy over 2 weeks to send it to me and it didn't get mailed for over a week....but I finally got it.

[evilmonkey]

I like medllc's products, especially the mounts and traction bars.

[vrspeedemon]

I heard you have to drop the exhaust to install these, is that true?

[tunersteve]

I heard you have to drop the exhaust to install these, is that true?

No, not at all. You have to support the engine to line it up during reinstall though.

[el_Don]

So we never got an update on how you liked the motor mount.

[jimred07]

still hasnt arrived. Friday will mark the 2 month anniversary of the start of this RIP OFF.

[el_Don]

damn, they're making me look bad. I thought that it would have been shipped by now.

[taylorex]

still hasnt arrived. Friday will mark the 2 month anniversary of the start of this RIP OFF.

Did you order through Dark Star or Medieval? Have you contacted them letting them know?

[Blendercloud]

How did you pay? If you paid with a credit card, I would call Visa/Mastercard and have them cancel the charge.

If you paid with Paypal, I would be on the phone with Paypal. Odds are at this point you will not be seeing a mount.

[Circle9]

I just took my Medieval rear mount out to replace it with a TRZ mount. The poly was tearing away from the center metal part where the bolt goes. IMO, not impressed, only had it on the car for a couple thousand miles.

[jimred07]

without wanting to point fingers and name names, I have been chasing the distributer (clue) and he sometimes returns my emails, usually doesnt, he just keeps saying that its been shipped....2 or 3 words per email.(eekfu)(jerkit)

I have the paypal shipping notice from may 1st...i paid march 29th (by paypal obvisouly). even today the item isnt showing as sent.(argh)

Without having a go at the USA based distrubiters....we have no end of trouble getting things sent here (Australia), there is only one store we have found to be reliable, they're expensive but good, and your stuff turns up on time. Its really frustrating, as there are only abour 2000 speed 6's running around overhere, so local R&D is limited, getting stuff from Japan is just as tough, if not harder due to the language barrier.

The funny thing is...after 2 months of running around with the ets 3.5 TMIC, there's no rubbing or bumping...TWM bushings have made the shift solid and I dont think the ME Engine Mount is going to do anything for me!!!

Maybe a chase of the manufacturer?

[JOSER_SPEED6]

without wanting to point fingers and name names, I have been chasing the distributer (clue) and he sometimes returns my emails, usually doesnt, he just keeps saying that its been shipped....2 or 3 words per email.(eekfu)(jerkit)

I have the paypal shipping notice from may 1st...i paid march 29th (by paypal obvisouly). even today the item isnt showing as sent.(argh)

Without having a go at the USA based distrubiters....we have no end of trouble getting things sent here (Australia), there is only one store we have found to be reliable, they're expensive but good, and your stuff turns up on time. Its really frustrating, as there are only abour 2000 speed 6's running around overhere, so local R&D is limited, getting stuff from Japan is just as tough, if not harder due to the language barrier.

The funny thing is...after 2 months of running around with the ets 3.5 TMIC, there's no rubbing or bumping...TWM bushings have made the shift solid and I dont think the ME Engine Mount is going to do anything for me!!!

Maybe a chase of the manufacturer?

Dude Im sorry to hear that, makes my 2 1/2 week wait time seem like nothing. The owner of Medieval seems like kind of a dousche. He didn't ship my mount until about a week and a half and that was only because I sent him emails about it. At this point I think you might be S.O.L

[SubieKiller3]

i dont know what you guys are talking about having to wait so long to get ur medieval mount but i got mine in less than a week from ordering it. you should have ordered it through dsmotorsports, incase you didnt. $60 and free shipping.

havent put it in yet but planning on doing it in a couple days. the part looks good except for the slightly sloppy looking welds. im sure it will hold up.

[Blendercloud]

havent put it in yet but planning on doing it in a couple days. the part looks good except for the slightly sloppy looking welds. im sure it will hold up.

Famous last words...

[jimred07]

i dont know what you guys are talking about having to wait so long to get ur medieval mount but i got mine in less than a week from ordering it. you should have ordered it through dsmotorsports, incase you didnt. $60 and free shipping.

havent put it in yet but planning on doing it in a couple days. the part looks good except for the slightly sloppy looking welds. im sure it will hold up.

I'm talking about exactly what the thread says....Bought my mount from the same people as you and it hasnt arrived in over 2 months.

Now do you understand?(notcool)

[taylorex]

I decided to let Medieval know about this thread and sent them an email.

Thank you for concerns and referencing us to that thread. Unfortunately we are unable to post or defend ourselves on that forum.
I spent a few hours today looking through out data base tracking down these claims and was very much unsuccessful at finding them. In the past we have found that other companies have fake member names or associates posting with these claims in order to help discredit Medieval as a company.
All Medieval emails are answered in less than 24hrs and in most cases minutes from time they are received. Please post this email and tell those with these claims to please contact us here directly at sales@medievalllc.com if they are missing an item. As it stands we have no outstanding orders in Australia or resent emails from these members. We can not fix a problem unless you are a customer and notify us of it.
Medieval has gone through growing pains and those are a thing of the past. All Medieval products are stocked and in 97% of cases items ship 1-3 business days after order is received and processed. Things that might hold up shipments are unconfirmed address and pay pal payment clearing dates. These are out of our hands and slow down the process. We here stand behind our products and offer the best warranty in the industry. Once again thank you for your concerns and if you see claims of this nature, please email us with the link so we can handle it.

[Blendercloud]

Jimred, it sounds like they don't know that you bought something. If you did indeed buy something, I would encourage you to contact the middleman that you used to purchase the item (Paypal) and tell them the goods were never received. They will do a quick investigation. They should refund you the money. At this point, you can choose to replace your order with Medeival or go another route.

Sometimes software does some crazy shit and things slip through the cracks.

[taylorex]

Jimred, it sounds like they don't know that you bought something. If you did indeed buy something, I would encourage you to contact the middleman that you used to purchase the item (Paypal) and tell them the goods were never received. They will do a quick investigation. They should refund you the money. At this point, you can choose to replace your order with Medeival or go another route.

Sometimes software does some crazy shit and things slip through the cracks.

From his last reply he said he order through DarkStar, that would explain why Medieval has no record of it.

[jimred07]

My thanks to everyone on this forum for your advice and words of support...as if by magic (or pure peer pressure) the item finally arrived this morning. 2 months a 4 days after I paid for it. It wasnt even shipped until 28th May, thats 1 days short of 2 months after paying for it...and 2 weeks after I started my ranting and raving on this forum, see below

Detailed Results:

At Foreign Delivery Unit, June 02, 2009, 5:06 am, AUSTRALIA
At Foreign Delivery Unit, June 02, 2009, 4:34 am, AUSTRALIA
Out of Foreign Customs, May 31, 2009, 5:04 pm, AUSTRALIA
Into Foreign Customs, May 31, 2009, 4:53 pm, AUSTRALIA
Arrived Abroad, May 31, 2009, 4:53 pm, AUSTRALIA
International Dispatch, May 28, 2009, 7:20 pm, ISC LOS ANGELES CA (USPS)


I am unsure whether its Medieval or Darkstar to blame, however I am now very confident in the fact that I will never deal with either of them again.

Lets hope the little sucker was worth the wait!!!

Thanks again, and by the way, I am not from another supplier or manufacturer, I simply love my speed 6, and like most of us hate the thought of being ripped off.

Jimred07

[ryukensfj]

My thanks to everyone on this forum for your advice and words of support...as if by magic (or pure peer pressure) the item finally arrived this morning. 2 months a 4 days after I paid for it. It wasnt even shipped until 28th May, thats 1 days short of 2 months after paying for it...and 2 weeks after I started my ranting and raving on this forum, see below

Detailed Results:

At Foreign Delivery Unit, June 02, 2009, 5:06 am, AUSTRALIA
At Foreign Delivery Unit, June 02, 2009, 4:34 am, AUSTRALIA
Out of Foreign Customs, May 31, 2009, 5:04 pm, AUSTRALIA
Into Foreign Customs, May 31, 2009, 4:53 pm, AUSTRALIA
Arrived Abroad, May 31, 2009, 4:53 pm, AUSTRALIA
International Dispatch, May 28, 2009, 7:20 pm, ISC LOS ANGELES CA (USPS)


I am unsure whether its Medieval or Darkstar to blame, however I am now very confident in the fact that I will never deal with either of them again.

Lets hope the little sucker was worth the wait!!!

Thanks again, and by the way, I am not from another supplier or manufacturer, I simply love my speed 6, and like most of us hate the thought of being ripped off.

Jimred07

I think it was because Medieval had problems with their machines and that brought things to a halt. That is what they told me when they were having delays. I bought the rear mount from darkstar and I got mine in a couple days.