california outlawing black cars?

[essejkcamraw]

not exactly sure if this has been posted up or discussed on here or not so, sorry if it has. i heard a bit of info today that kind of just pissed ME off even though i don't live in Cali. so if you do, please chime in and let me know if this is true and will ACTUALLY happen. see link. http://digg.com/d1nFHj

[mountjonas]

To be completely fair, the California Air Resources Board never intended to ban black paint -- or any color of paint, for that matter. When devising ways to implement the Cool Cars Initiative, CARB couldn't find any dark paints that passed the 20% solar reflectivity test, which others took to mean that CARB would be banning them. Not so, says a CARB spokesman: "We are by no means interested in banning or restricting car colors." For now, CARB is sticking with the reflective glass portion of the initiative, which would add a reflective clear coat to windows and $31-$50 to the price of a new car, and is taking public comments on the proposed new rules.

[BillTheCat]

I saw that article & thought I was being Punk'd. but if any state in the Union would consider such a moronic move, it'd be California. And gawd help me, Charlie Crist, our governor here in FL, has his head so far up Arnie's posterior, we'd be next.

Let's hope nobody seriously considers such a move.

[RuZec]

California is so laame sometimes.. it angers me!

[dmention7]

I hate when columnists spread inflammatory BS that is barely even grounded in fact. Do some flippin' research before you jump to the conclusion that CA is about to ban black cars.

(@ the source, not the OP)

[Kain]

I hate when columnists spread inflammatory BS that is barely even grounded in fact. Do some flippin' research before you jump to the conclusion that CA is about to ban black cars.

(@ the source, not the OP)

Research? On the innanets? One would think that might have been its intended purpose all along!

[GoFast]

personally I think that wiki really should have been used because that is the absolute authority on the internet if you ask me

[Kain]

personally I think that wiki really should have been used because that is the absolute authority on the internet if you ask me
Where are your loyalties, man? It's obvious Mazdas247 is the e-thority, especially on five-cylinder engines.

[Donas64]

People laugh at this like it can't happen. Sure its far fetched......but just give it some time. :)

Govt to GM and other companies in trouble: If you want our govt dollars to bail you out, you will take black paint off as an option to aid in reducing fuel consumption and pollution! Oh and by the way your CEO is fired!

[GoFast]

Where are your loyalties, man? It's obvious Mazdas247 is the e-thority, especially on five-cylinder engines.

what can I say....I'm just a whore

[Donas64]

Where are your loyalties, man? It's obvious Mazdas247 is the e-thority, especially on five-cylinder engines.

And diesels!

[nutsac76]

and pretty-pretty flowers!

[GoFast]

and pretty-pretty flowers!

but not ugly ones?

[Saskatchewan17]

I saw that article & thought I was being Punk'd. but if any state in the Union would consider such a moronic move, it'd be California. And gawd help me, Charlie Crist, our governor here in FL, has his head so far up Arnie's posterior, we'd be next.

Let's hope nobody seriously considers such a move.

Well at least you guys have no front plate & less strict tint laws...

[coololddude]

ban black cars? whats next, ban black basketball players?

[khoney]

I just read an article in an electronics newsletter I get - California has put forth legislation to ban all plasma, DLP, and front projection TVs by the end of 2009. Apparently they consume too much energy, and the government would now like to dictate to you how you use your electricity (which YOU pay for).

Well, if this ever happens to me in Texas, they'll have to pry my projector from my cold, dead hands ;)

Seriously, where does the madness end? I encourage everyone to attend their local Tea Party on the 15th and give our elected officials an idea of how we feel (unless, of course, you're one of those people who has no problem with our freedoms being eroded at an alarming rate). You guys just stay home and tinker with your 3 :D

[Wurf]

The real "madness" is in people's heads. Fux news FAIL. If given the choice between going to a TEA party and staying home to play with my speed3, the car wins without any question.

[bgibb68]

don't say that....we are talking about cali....everything know to man is also know to the state of California to cause cancer

[Invictus]

ban black cars? whats next, ban black basketball players?

HA
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HAHAHA

[StealthWyvern]

I saw that article & thought I was being Punk'd. but if any state in the Union would consider such a moronic move, it'd be California. And gawd help me, Charlie Crist, our governor here in FL, has his head so far up Arnie's posterior, we'd be next.

Let's hope nobody seriously considers such a move.

off subject but did you see the new "charges" that they are putting into affect here in Florida? Where it going to cost you liek 316 bucks just to call the police if they respond. They are going to be adding a $4.25 to everyones light bills for public light maintence.... its getting retarded.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30162245/

[PCspeed3]

where will all the blacks move?

[builthatch]

I saw that article & thought I was being Punk'd. but if any state in the Union would consider such a moronic move, it'd be California. And gawd help me, Charlie Crist, our governor here in FL, has his head so far up Arnie's posterior, we'd be next.

Let's hope nobody seriously considers such a move.


off subject but did you see the new "charges" that they are putting into affect here in Florida? Where it going to cost you liek 316 bucks just to call the police if they respond. They are going to be adding a $4.25 to everyones light bills for public light maintence.... its getting retarded.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30162245/

hmm, you florida guys are getting pretty whiny!

1. you don't pay income tax, do you?

2. you don't have any sort of inspection, emissions or otherwise, do you?

correct me if i'm wrong there...

[bgibb68]

hey we don't have state income tax here and i love it.....but then again sales tax is 8.25 and they keep talk about raising it...

[StealthWyvern]

hmm, you florida guys are getting pretty whiny!

1. you don't pay income tax, do you?

2. you don't have any sort of inspection, emissions or otherwise, do you?

correct me if i'm wrong there...


1. I do pay taxes and have been on my own for awhile. I think its a well known fact that florida is one of the few states that dont have a state income tax.

2. I used to live in CA and many othe states that require emissions and inspections.

3. I dont care if we have emissions or inspections here in florida. My car is legal. I have nothing to hide do you?

[builthatch]

1. I do pay taxes and have been on my own for awhile. I think its a well known fact that florida is one of the few states that dont have a state income tax.

2. I used to live in CA and many othe states that require emissions and inspections.

3. I dont care if we have emissions or inspections here in florida. My car is legal. I have nothing to hide do you?

you obviously missed my point.

one guy from FL was worried about your gov following in the foot steps of arnold in CA re: this car initiative, when in fact you guys don't even have inspections to check emissions. i don't think you have anything to worry about there considering the stark contrast there...florida = no inspection and road toilets running about everywhere, ca = tightest vehicle laws in the union and every man, woman and child getting hammered with fix-it tickets.

then we had you complain about paying for services, but you don't pay income tax in FL. you can't have your cake and eat it too, man! running a city/county/state costs money, and as long as everyone wants this BS socialism in the US, the government will get bigger, and also, more handouts will be given on YOUR dime. those two things take money away from the stuff people REALLY need, so yeah- they are going to charge you. but what i'm saying is look on the bright side you DON'T pay income tax.

[bgibb68]

well what's the sales tax in NJ?

i know fl is over 8% and i know property tax is a mofo there too....which makes up for the no state income tax...

it's almost the same here

[MS3Zoom24]

cali we pay sales tax which jsut went up to 9.25% where i live and state tax so quit your whining

[StealthWyvern]

you obviously missed my point.

one guy from FL was worried about your gov following in the foot steps of arnold in CA re: this car initiative, when in fact you guys don't even have inspections to check emissions. i don't think you have anything to worry about there considering the stark contrast there...florida = no inspection and road toilets running about everywhere, ca = tightest vehicle laws in the union and every man, woman and child getting hammered with fix-it tickets.

then we had you complain about paying for services, but you don't pay income tax in FL. you can't have your cake and eat it too, man! running a city/county/state costs money, and as long as everyone wants this BS socialism in the US, the government will get bigger, and also, more handouts will be given on YOUR dime. those two things take money away from the stuff people REALLY need, so yeah- they are going to charge you. but what i'm saying is look on the bright side you DON'T pay income tax.


My biggest compalint is that I have to pay for services that should be taken care of with city taxes. If you even call the police and they show up because your neighbor is beating his wife you get footed with a 300+ bill becuase YOU called. Also I was complaining about the additional 4.25 a month on my electric bill for city lights is becuase in the past two years my monthly bill literally has more then doubled and the useage is still about the same. I guess im tried of seeing everything going up with the exception of my pay check. You'r right I don't pay income taxes but as it is roughly 1/3rd of my pay checkis just taxes in general.

[bgibb68]

cali we pay sales tax which jsut went up to 9.25% where i live and state tax so quit your whining

that's why there's a ton of cali people moving to austin and making drivin around nerve racking(yupnope)


kidding.....but that really sucks....sorry.....

[builthatch]

well what's the sales tax in NJ?

i know fl is over 8% and i know property tax is a mofo there too....which makes up for the no state income tax...

it's almost the same here

trust me, there is no contest. NJ is fucked beyond belief vs. pretty much any state in the union.

we are almost 40 billion in the red....40 BILLION.

sales tax is 7%, but that is a non-factor. we have incredible insurance rates because of state surcharges, our income tax/corporate taxes and fees are the worst country wide and we the most state workers and public employees per capita in the US...all with pensions that we have to pay.

there is a reason the state literally might go bankrupt and default on the state pension plan.

all i'm saying is if you think you have it bad, come to NJ. NJ is a GORGEOUS state, and if you play your cards right you can have a great life here, but expect to see in the news some radical destruction and subsequent restructuring when it comes to NJ.

PS- it took them 3 months to get me my firearms ID, and then another who knows how many months for additional pistol purchase permits. BTW, we also don't have any gun shows....the list goes on and on.

FL is full of win vs. NJ, believe that.

[builthatch]

My biggest compalint is that I have to pay for services that should be taken care of with city taxes. If you even call the police and they show up because your neighbor is beating his wife you get footed with a 300+ bill becuase YOU called. Also I was complaining about the additional 4.25 a month on my electric bill for city lights is becuase in the past two years my monthly bill literally has more then doubled and the useage is still about the same. I guess im tried of seeing everything going up with the exception of my pay check. You'r right I don't pay income taxes but as it is roughly 1/3rd of my pay checkis just taxes in general.

i don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but the increased costs you are seeing is def why i am such a proponent of small government and careful spending, so you know when you are paying for something it's because it costs that, not because your money which you already paid went to something obsurd. unfortunately i fear it'll never happen before the country crumbles, but someone like Ron Paul is exactly what we needed in presidential office, and, in my state, Steve Lonegan should be governor.

it'll never happen though because people do not want to look past rhetoric...they just want to listen to a good rap and believe in CHANGE!

ok, i'm done ; )

[StealthWyvern]

trust me, there is no contest. NJ is fucked beyond belief vs. pretty much any state in the union.

we are almost 40 billion in the red....40 BILLION.

sales tax is 7%, but that is a non-factor. we have incredible insurance rates because of state surcharges, our income tax/corporate taxes and fees are the worst country wide and we the most state workers and public employees per capita in the US...all with pensions that we have to pay.

there is a reason the state literally might go bankrupt and default on the state pension plan.

all i'm saying is if you think you have it bad, come to NJ. NJ is a GORGEOUS state, and if you play your cards right you can have a great life here, but expect to see in the news some radical destruction and subsequent restructuring when it comes to NJ.

Wow I didn't realise Nj ws that far in debt! I think FL is around 1.5Bill

[fishdonotbounce]

Wow, all of you shut up and stop being girlie men. If you don't get rid of your black car I will shoot at it with a machine gun for a whole minute! I am the governator!

[builthatch]

Wow I didn't realise Nj ws that far in debt! I think FL is around 1.5Bill

yeah it sucks. we are a big abyss with nothing but crap lining the walls.

i just had to renew one of my client's vehicle registrations in FL and transfer the tags from one car to another...it was a matter of calling the sarasota tax collector and spending like 5 minutes on the phone with one person and it'd get done. FL is just buttery in that respect, they make it easy.

in nj, you'd have to talk to 4 people, if you even got a hold of someone, and in the end, it probably would not get done without having to drive to the DMV...and they'd charge you out the ass for fees.

[StealthWyvern]

i don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but the increased costs you are seeing is def why i am such a proponent of small government and careful spending, so you know when you are paying for something it's because it costs that, not because your money which you already paid went to something obsurd. unfortunately i fear it'll never happen before the country crumbles, but someone like Ron Paul is exactly what we needed in presidential office, and, in my state, Steve Lonegan should be governor.

it'll never happen though because people do not want to look past rhetoric...they just want to listen to a good rap and believe in CHANGE!

ok, i'm done ; )


I can respect that.(friday)

[StealthWyvern]

Wow, all of you shut up and stop being girlie men. If you don't get rid of your black car I will shoot at it with a machine gun for a whole minute! I am the governator!

Girlie men? We are not the one with a murse! (nailbyt)lol

[fishdonotbounce]

a murse? lol what's that?

[bgibb68]

Wow, all of you shut up and stop being girlie men. If you don't get rid of your black car I will shoot at it with a machine gun for a whole minute! I am the governator!

(stooges)

[bgibb68]

a murse? lol what's that?

a 'man's purse'(chair)

[fishdonotbounce]

lol ok. Anyway, get this thread back on topic.....

[bgibb68]

that califonia is governed by a bunch of conformists who want to control every aspect of life??

[Peter B]

Fun fact: Gay marriage, now illegal in California, but legal in IOWA!?!? How the F$#K did that happen?

I keep thinking california is going to fall into the see.... wait no i mean i keep hoping . I can dream right?

[Wurf]

California,
Nice place to visit. Wouldn't want to live there.

I'll take Oregon or Washington over Cali if I ever need to escape Michigan. The Pacific NW FTW!

[RC08MS3]

can anybody explain to me what they are going to do to the people who have black cars already? are they grandfathered or are they gonna pay the people to paint the cars? o wait they dont have any money, so how the hell is that gonna work?

[GoFast]

10% off coupons to Earl Scheib

[khoney]

The real "madness" is in people's heads. Fux news FAIL. If given the choice between going to a TEA party and staying home to play with my speed3, the car wins without any question.

Hmmm... Michigan... No wonder you guys are bleeding out. I'll be driving my speeds to the TEA party - hell, the chance to see Ted Nugent play the National Anthem is worth the trip ;)

[builthatch]

California,
Nice place to visit. Wouldn't want to live there.

I'll take Oregon or Washington over Cali if I ever need to escape Michigan. The Pacific NW FTW!

yeah, i think oregon actually has a budget SURPLUS! imagine getting money back for nothing.

[Wurf]

Hmmm... Michigan... No wonder you guys are bleeding out. I'll be driving my speeds to the TEA party - hell, the chance to see Ted Nugent play the National Anthem is worth the trip ;)

Hah hah......yeah Ted is a total ass clown but he's kinda funny. I like his hunting philosophy and eating nothing but wild game though.

Michigan is down, but not out....yet. We'll have to wait and see but it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. GM is going under the knife soon.

[GoFast]

gourmet raccoon dinners in Detroit...

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=165701

[Wurf]

Seen that already - good stuff.

[GoFast]

so you've seen it but have you tried it??

[Wurf]

No Sir, can't say that I have! While it might seem disgusting and repulsive, I'll bet it's not bad actually. Tastes like chicken? Probably not so much.

[Wurf]

so you've seen it but have you tried it??

By the way, I meant I've read the article, not actually seen cooked raccoon around my neck o' the woods.

Around here, people hunt mostly dear, turkey, and other birds.

Personally I don't hunt anything except beer. (thinkbeer

[Sawce]

Research? On the innanets? One would think that might have been its intended purpose all along!

No wai! Here I thought Al Gore was invented it for online dating cause he's too busy to be on Elimidate. My bad >.<;

[SBSPEED3]

California is so laame sometimes.. it angers me!

sometimes?!?! from someone who grew up here and witnessed all the retarded fucking ideas that come out of san fransisco, ane berzerkly it is lame all the time...
a couple of years ago the wonderful environmentally concerned people (who all drive plastic prius where the metal was mined in canada, shipped to china, then shipped to japan, then shipped back here again) associated with CARB proposed a bill banning chrome and all polished metal surfaces on cars because (get this) it momentarily confused birds.....
stupidest state in the union....

[SBSPEED3]

i don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but the increased costs you are seeing is def why i am such a proponent of small government and careful spending, so you know when you are paying for something it's because it costs that, not because your money which you already paid went to something obsurd. unfortunately i fear it'll never happen before the country crumbles, but someone like Ron Paul is exactly what we needed in presidential office, and, in my state, Steve Lonegan should be governor.

it'll never happen though because people do not want to look past rhetoric...they just want to listen to a good rap and believe in CHANGE!

ok, i'm done ; )

im glad someone else said it!!!
i can still HOPE for a CHANGE...

[khoney]

Tea Party was awesome - 16,000 people saying enough with bloated Government spending and no accountability. Anyway, here's Ted :D

[Wurf]

Aaaand here's where I unsubscribe.
Seeya.

[khoney]

Buh-bye

[bigdaddy]

Well at least you guys have no front plate & less strict tint laws...

no...we need front plates, trust me. It just depends on the area and the cop, never been pulled over personally, but my brother has in LA. And the emissions regulations blow here... pretty much impossible to find gas above 91 octane, and the smog laws are nuts!

[meicalnissyen]

Where are your loyalties, man? It's obvious Mazdas247 is the e-thority, especially on five-cylinder engines.

Five??
I thought our engines were three cylinder. Isn't that what the three means? the family car is a 6 and camrys and accords have six cylinders


And besides, the last vehicle that made grin and say sweet mother of god

was the Kawasaki H1