Cruise control [Archive]

SCMP3

04-07-2009, 10:31 PM

I know the topic of CC in an MSP has come up a few times, but i haven't been able to find any answers. here's my question. say i had a complete Protege 5 with Cruise or ES with cruise, what all would i need? i understand the CC module under the hood, a P5 steering wheel with the CC controls. What all would i need Between the controls and the module under the hood? does it go thru the ecu? would i need to have to get from under the dash? any help would be appreciate the help. Thanks for looking

SCMP3

04-07-2009, 10:54 PM

BTW i relized i spelt Cruise Control in the title wrong

ScratchNSniff

04-07-2009, 10:59 PM

Mike...learn To Spell...

SCMP3

04-08-2009, 12:44 AM

shut it lol

el_Don

04-08-2009, 01:03 AM

Well I'm not sure what you're asking, but right behind the steering wheel, there is are two port connections, one for the airbag and the other to hook up the cruise control. I think from there, everything is factory wired to the comp and the CC unit.

SCMP3

04-08-2009, 02:02 AM

so you are saying if i had the P5 steering wheel with the CC it will plug and play? also what does the cables from the CC module under the hood connect?

SCMP3

04-08-2009, 07:44 PM

bump for more details

el_Don

04-09-2009, 08:17 AM

So the steering wheel has mounting point behind the airbag for the controls to mount up to the wheel. I believe if your car did not come with cruise control, all you have to do is cut a whole in the back part for the controls to come through. Additionally, behind the airbag is a port for the horn and the CC controls. What I'm not sure of is if your car has that second port for the CC controls. I can get some photos for you, but not till tomorrow.

SCMP3

04-09-2009, 11:55 AM

that sounds great. do you know if the CC runs threw the ECU or not?

el_Don

04-09-2009, 12:46 PM

I really don't know whether it's through the ECU or not. Maybe you should take a look at the manual and see if you can find out. I would check but I'm in class right now.

In case you don't have it here's a link to the manual:
http://www.mazdaspd.com/manuals.html

Good luck man.

SCMP3

04-09-2009, 02:57 PM

thanks i greatly appreciate the help

SCMP3

04-09-2009, 02:59 PM

the manual isnt letting me look at the stuff. any ideas why?

el_Don

04-09-2009, 03:07 PM

PDFs I don't know why it wouldn't. Do you have adobe reader or acrobat?

SCMP3

04-09-2009, 03:37 PM

im pretty sure

SCMP3

04-09-2009, 03:37 PM

i have reader 9

tweakingmsp

04-09-2009, 04:03 PM

The link doesn't work for me either, I have everything updated too.

SCMP3

04-09-2009, 04:25 PM

thats good to know its not just me

co53185

04-09-2009, 04:53 PM

I want to install CC too!

el_Don

04-09-2009, 05:18 PM

hmmm

well it used to work....sorry, I'll see if I can find it again.
EDIT
http://rapidshare.com/users/36O32F
password: pdftown.com

el_Don

04-11-2009, 10:08 AM

pics are coming soon.

el_Don

04-12-2009, 12:47 AM

One thing that you're going to have to check on your steering wheels is the mounting position and the other is the whole that is supposed to be there for the controls to go through.

This first photo is of the connection that you're going to have to plug your controls into...
http://s718.photobucket.com/albums/ww183/efcarbaj/?action=view&current=IMG_0952.jpg

This photo shows the cruise controls plugged into the steering wheel console.
http://s718.photobucket.com/albums/ww183/efcarbaj/?action=view&current=IMG_0953.jpg

The rear cover of the steering wheel has to have a hole and the steering wheel frame has to have mounting points for the controls as shown in this picture.
http://s718.photobucket.com/albums/ww183/efcarbaj/?action=view&current=IMG_0947.jpg

I think that the MSP has a different steering wheel, the ES one does not have stitching of any type and the Nardi Torino wheel does not have the mounting points for the controls which is why I haven't had cruise control for a while. I hope this helps.

Outlawstar98

04-12-2009, 10:42 AM

From what I understand, Nope, wont work. You need the Cruse Control thingie under the hood also. But from what i heard in the past it wont fit due to things i dont know haha. Drive the car hard, dont cruse it ;)

11B-33T

04-12-2009, 11:31 AM

CC would be awesome for me as there are times I really need it for longer hwy trips (bad knees, repaired ACL/MCL etc), I think somewhere in the forums it was mentioned the normal port on the ECU for CC is being used for the EC/turbo setup.

If it's a possibility for CC to be added I'm all for it..

SCMP3

04-12-2009, 08:18 PM

i agree that CC would be good.

03silvertege

04-26-2009, 11:06 PM

i agree that CC would be good.

x2^^

o0n8

04-30-2009, 10:53 PM

CC is the only thing i wish this car had, besides idiot civic "drivers" repellant

Alejo_NIN

12-17-2009, 07:13 AM

ok, so i have the steering wheel, the controls and the CC unit.
one question that i have is, where would the electrical plug that conencts the CC to the wireharness is located?

StealthWyvern

12-17-2009, 07:29 AM

Am I reading this right.... so all we have to do is get the under the hood CC stuff, plug in and get that switch and plug that in.... and BAM instant CC?

Or is the engine harness any different? I assume the dash harness is the same if the plug is in the steering wheel.

Also I've heard the stock CC stuff gets in the way of the factory strut bar but that can be solved by a p5 strut bar that came off one that has CC.

Focus

12-17-2009, 07:52 AM

ok, so i have the steering wheel, the controls and the CC unit.
one question that i have is, where would the electrical plug that conencts the CC to the wireharness is located?

On an engine harness that has cruise control.

Am I reading this right.... so all we have to do is get the under the hood CC stuff, plug in and get that switch and plug that in.... and BAM instant CC?

Or is the engine harness any different? I assume the dash harness is the same if the plug is in the steering wheel.

Also I've heard the stock CC stuff gets in the way of the factory strut bar but that can be solved by a p5 strut bar that came off one that has CC.

Wish it was that easy. The non cruise cars do not have the wiring necessary on the emissions harness. It has to be added.

Alejo_NIN

12-17-2009, 07:59 AM

fooo

do i have to replace the whole harness or just those wires that are missing?

Focus

12-17-2009, 08:25 AM

fooo

do i have to replace the whole harness or just those wires that are missing?

Either / Or

It's about the same amount of work. There are only about a dozen wires to add.

StealthWyvern

12-17-2009, 08:32 AM

Either / Or

It's about the same amount of work. There are only about a dozen wires to add.

Focus,

is that on both the engine and dash harnesses that need wires added?

Edit: Sorry missed your comment earlier about the engine harness missing wires. With that said is the dash harness any different?

Alejo_NIN

12-17-2009, 09:11 AM

i don't think this is worth it

slavrenz

12-17-2009, 09:50 AM

You could always rig up some getto cruise control with a pulley and string on the throttle valve. Once you reach a desired speed, just tie the string off somewhere inside your car so the throttle plate sits open at a constant position.

Bam! Instant cruise control :)

P.S. - Please don't really do this ;)

Alejo_NIN

12-17-2009, 01:14 PM

i already bought the string!

StealthWyvern

12-17-2009, 03:26 PM

i already bought the string!

screw the string! Zip strips are the way to go and just cut them when you need to let off.... you can buy a thing of 100 of them for a few bucks. 8-)

Focus

12-17-2009, 03:58 PM

Focus,

is that on both the engine and dash harnesses that need wires added?

Edit: Sorry missed your comment earlier about the engine harness missing wires. With that said is the dash harness any different?

Dash harness on the MSP is equiped for cruise. Automatic Sportshift is a different harness.

i don't think this is worth it

It is once you do it... No pain, no gain !!

Alejo_NIN

12-17-2009, 04:29 PM

shoot, i need to see the electrical diagram

StealthWyvern

12-17-2009, 05:01 PM

Dash harness on the MSP is equiped for cruise. Automatic Sportshift is a different harness.

So everything is plug and play if you get a engine harness off a MTX pro with CC correct?

Alejo_NIN

12-17-2009, 06:19 PM

f-that, it might be easier to just build your own harness

StealthWyvern

12-17-2009, 07:12 PM

f-that, it might be easier to just build your own harness

I'm not going to do it but thought Id ask so I know and others would know.

Focus

12-17-2009, 07:43 PM

So everything is plug and play if you get a engine harness off a MTX pro with CC correct?

I'm not going to do it but thought Id ask so I know and others would know.

Yes. Best bet is a P5 Harness, you know for sure that it cas Cruise, ABS, etc...

SCMP3

12-18-2009, 07:01 PM

wow this thread has expanded. lol i was told there is 2 wires under the dash need to be bypassed. any conformation?

Ricktalife

12-18-2009, 07:30 PM

Turbo with cruise control? That does not compute.

SCMP3

12-18-2009, 11:35 PM

Turbo with cruise control? That does not compute.

why is that so weird? ms6/ms3 had it. and im sure evos and sti do too. i dont think its that weird

Ricktalife

12-19-2009, 12:04 AM

why is that so weird? ms6/ms3 had it. and im sure evos and sti do too. i dont think its that weird

I just don't see the need for such a commodity on a high performance car. I think the target audience for such a car is usually the younger crowd, most of which tend to beat on the cars so they probably aren't too worried about cruising.

StealthWyvern

12-19-2009, 12:05 AM

I just don't see the need for such a commodity on a high performance car. I think the target audience for such a car is usually the younger crowd, most of which tend to beat on the cars so they probably aren't too worried about cruising.

roflmao @ the msp being a high performance car

Ricktalife

12-19-2009, 12:09 AM

roflmao @ the msp being a high performance car

Well I was comparing it to a normal protege, and I was also referring to the fact that he mentioned the MS3/MS6 has cruise control.

StealthWyvern

12-19-2009, 12:14 AM

Well I was comparing it to a normal protege, and I was also referring to the fact that he mentioned the MS3/MS6 has cruise control.

I don't think it had so much to do with the target market but more about the strenght of the internals on the msp when boosting in 5th. Most people say not to boost in 5th due to the extra load on the engine.

Ricktalife

12-19-2009, 01:17 AM

I don't think it had so much to do with the target market but more about the strenght of the internals on the msp when boosting in 5th. Most people say not to boost in 5th due to the extra load on the engine.

Yea that's a good point as well. I do my best not to hit boost at all in 5th, but right now my boost gauge is disconnected so it's hard to tell lol.

StealthWyvern

12-19-2009, 01:51 AM

Yea that's a good point as well. I do my best not to hit boost at all in 5th, but right now my boost gauge is disconnected so it's hard to tell lol.

I boost all the time in 5th but then again i dont have the stock SMIC and have a Perrin FMIC setup. I also don't know if its just me to not but I don't build boost as fast as other MSP so if I do boost in 5th its like 1-3psi max if that much. Plus I roll onto the trottle and not just romp on it.