Accessport 0-60 times, post em' [Archive]

fostersafb

04-01-2009, 08:13 PM

I was fooling around the other day with my AP and logged a few 0-60 runs. The runs were made late at night on the way home from work on less than desirable road conditions. thats the only excuse I have.

I thought it would be interesting to see others' times and see the difference mods make and how those with similar mods vary, ie driver, launch, shifting techiniques. After my first time at the drag strip I need some major practice.

Why don't we format this like the 1/4 mile registry? List mods and then the AP 0-60 readouts, which include 60 foot, 330 foot and 60 mph. I think we can omit the 330 foot interval. Also provide a brief description of how you launched the car, shift points, etc.

Use these abbriviations for mods:
I = Intake
IN - 3in Turbo Inlet
DP = Downpipe
CBE = Cat Back Exhaust
MP = Midpipe
TBE = turbo back exhaust
CDFP = cam driven fuel pump upgrade
EMS = tuned
MBC = boost controller (specify spike and hold) ie: 18s15h
UI = Upgraded Intercooler
MM = upgraded motor mount
S = suspension such as springs coilover
T = turbo upgrade
W = Weight Reduction (spare and jack does not count)
DR = Drag Radials
SL = Slicks
AP STG1 = Accessport stage 1

Anyways heres my best run that night.

60' 2.46
60mph 6.34 sec
MM, S, AP STG1

I tried low rpm launches, ~2500 and tried to slowly roll on the throttle but got major wheelspin all the way through 1st and into 2nd.

How'd you guys do? Oh and post back with improved times.

H3br3w_Ham3r

04-01-2009, 09:55 PM

Did mine with my Dashhawk but same thing

5.84 sec 0-60
I,BPV

I attached a pic for some proof (sorry for the crappy pic from my phone)

I try to do what I call a soft launch. Just enough to hear the tires squeal but not enough to burn them to oblivion.

martyxcore

04-02-2009, 03:14 AM

lulz

Circle9

04-02-2009, 08:03 AM

Damn, if that's legit reading, you must have been running slicks or something!

mckraut

04-02-2009, 08:34 AM

I own a Dashhawk, but have never done a 0-60 run before. How does the DH start the test? Is it from when the tires begin moving or turning? Or, does the DH give you a countdown so you know when you start your run?

imac

04-02-2009, 08:50 AM

Damn, if that's legit reading, you must have been running slicks or something!

i remember someone posting a surprisingly quick 0-60 time a while back from an AP or DH or something, and what happened was when he posted a graph that showed his speed vs time, we realized that the reason the time was so quick was because he spun the tires going into third. that tricked it into thinking that he had hit the 60 mark because the wheels were spinning fast enough to do so, thus his 0-60 time was a good bit quicker on paper than it should have been. according to the chart, he managed to go from about 52 up to 60 in a tenth, which isn't remotely possible with an MS3.

long story short is the AP and DH are pretty cool for following your performance numbers, but just beware they're not always going to be spot on with stuff like this.

edit: thought you were talking about the 5.84s time posted, didn't even see the DH log pic posted below it.

aaronc7

04-02-2009, 09:06 AM

mckraut

04-02-2009, 10:46 AM

i remember someone posting a surprisingly quick 0-60 time a while back from an AP or DH or something, and what happened was when he posted a graph that showed his speed vs time, we realized that the reason the time was so quick was because he spun the tires going into third. that tricked it into thinking that he had hit the 60 mark because the wheels were spinning fast enough to do so, thus his 0-60 time was a good bit quicker on paper than it should have been.

That's what I thought as well, but then someone brought forth evidence that the speed is monitored at all four wheels, so wheelspin in the front wheels doesn't effect the speedometer.

However I will say that using different logging devices with vehicles in different conditions should only be used for entertainment purposes and in no way should be used as an ePeen measuring tool.

fostersafb

04-02-2009, 12:55 PM

07Speedfreak

04-02-2009, 02:19 PM

4.61 sec 0-60mph

stock

(fuoops)

mckraut

04-02-2009, 02:23 PM

4.61 sec 0-60mph

stock

(fuoops)

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You shaved almost an entire second off of Car & Driver's best time during the MS3 review? I don't think so.

07Speedfreak

04-02-2009, 02:26 PM

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You shaved almost an entire second off of Car & Driver's best time during the MS3 review? I don't think so.

Look at what I'm driving man.

Dparks7

04-02-2009, 02:27 PM

^^ from his avitar he has an STi

becks

04-02-2009, 02:27 PM

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You shaved almost an entire second off of Car & Driver's best time during the MS3 review? I don't think so.

hahaha...look at his sig and avatar ;)

07Speedfreak

04-02-2009, 02:28 PM

^^ from his avitar he has an STi

not an STI.

mckraut

04-02-2009, 02:36 PM

lol, well in that case, go eff yourself. We're talking MS3s, chief. (jerkit)

I'll have to try this DH 0-60 test myself and see what I get. I am curious.

aaronc7

04-02-2009, 02:54 PM

So your stock other than motor mounts and tires? Impressive numbers.

thanks but no definitely not stock lol. The intake/inlet/fmic/turboback/AP/Meth probably helps a little too! biggest issue/challenge is the launch and traction

fostersafb

04-02-2009, 03:57 PM

not an STI.

Its funny how the 09 wrx's are faster than the STi in 0-60mph. Anyone with an STI though will tell you, big f'ing deal. As soon as 60mph is achieved the STI will walk the WRX through th 1/4 mile and any other speed passed that. Its the glass 5 speed only that allows for the faster 0-60mph in the WRX. It hits 60mph in 2nd gear and makes for pretty quick times. Both the MS3 and STI need to shift into 3rd to hit 60mph.

After owning 2 WRX's in the past, I'll never buy anything other than an STI, if/when I go back to Subaru.

Anyways, I digress. To reiterate the point of the thread, this is for those with MS3's who can log their 0-60 times.

07Speedfreak, if want to play bragging rights lets log some off the roll times and see what turns up.........;)

fostersafb

04-02-2009, 03:57 PM

thanks but no definitely not stock lol. The intake/inlet/fmic/turboback/AP/Meth probably helps a little too! biggest issue/challenge is the launch and traction

I feel a little better now, lol. What kind of #'s are you making?

turbos3

04-02-2009, 04:16 PM

I did 5.41 with an CAI, MM. Make sure the speed correction on the dashhwak is correct, I messed with it before and I was able to get an incredible 0-60 time on 3.2, Impresive i know lol. 60 mph in 1st gear.(smash)

07Speedfreak

04-02-2009, 04:26 PM

Its funny how the 09 wrx's are faster than the STi in 0-60mph. Anyone with an STI though will tell you, big f'ing deal. As soon as 60mph is achieved the STI will walk the WRX through th 1/4 mile and any other speed passed that. Its the glass 5 speed only that allows for the faster 0-60mph in the WRX. It hits 60mph in 2nd gear and makes for pretty quick times. Both the MS3 and STI need to shift into 3rd to hit 60mph.

After owning 2 WRX's in the past, I'll never buy anything other than an STI, if/when I go back to Subaru.

Anyways, I digress. To reiterate the point of the thread, this is for those with MS3's who can log their 0-60 times.

07Speedfreak, if want to play bragging rights lets log some off the roll times and see what turns up.........;)

in 09 the 5speed tranny is beefer

roll on's are for sissies

but yes the MS3 would easily walk the WRX from a roll

LazerBlueP5

04-02-2009, 06:09 PM

I "believe" I'm between 3.9- 4.1 to 60.

I DO know that I'm traveling 88 mph in 7.9 seconds (1/8th mile).

Travo83

04-02-2009, 07:46 PM

The new WRX's are pretty sick in the 0-60 time, i forgot witch model is faster now, but 4.6 is very respectable

H3br3w_Ham3r

04-07-2009, 09:28 PM

Updated from previous run

Previous
5.84
SRI and BPV

New: (only one attempt with the new mount in. Not WOT shifting)
5.68
SRI, BPV, MM

martyxcore

04-07-2009, 09:51 PM

I don't do these too often but I did one just the other day for fun...Had too much wheelspin in first at launch and had to let off the throttle and get back into it, but still pretty decent, for me at least.

motor mounts and good tires sure do help

yea i said lol cause i knew that was a DH fuck up. ive only used the feature once but i think out of 3 runs i avged like 5.5 which isnt bad since my tires are basically stock right now. 30k on the stockers ftl

Circle9

04-07-2009, 10:25 PM

in 09 the 5speed tranny is beefer

roll on's are for sissies

but yes the MS3 would easily walk the WRX from a roll

The WRX is 1 tenth quicker in the 1/4 than the STI per Car and Driver comparisons. I suppose this means that a MS3 can also walk a STI from a roll? ;)

240ka

04-07-2009, 10:38 PM

4.61 sec 0-60mph

stock

(fuoops)

hahaha(fu)(drive2)

240ka

04-07-2009, 10:40 PM

roll on's are for sissies

haha, coming from the guy that uses AWD assistance

UHATEIT

04-07-2009, 11:12 PM

lol, well in that case, go eff yourself. We're talking MS3s, chief. (jerkit)

I'll have to try this DH 0-60 test myself and see what I get. I am curious.

right on! I'd have said, get the fuck off this forum if you dont own a speed, but have held off on that for a few days :)

240ka

04-08-2009, 01:10 AM

^^^bwahaha

LazerBlueP5

04-08-2009, 11:56 AM

right on! I'd have said, get the fuck off this forum if you dont own a speed, but have held off on that for a few days :)

(cryhard)

fostersafb

04-08-2009, 07:42 PM

The WRX is 1 tenth quicker in the 1/4 than the STI per Car and Driver comparisons. I suppose this means that a MS3 can also walk a STI from a roll? ;)

It would be close, thats for sure. Both have almost identical gear ratios and they both put down basically the same at the wheels and the MS3 weighs 200 pounds less. In fact I would think the MS3 would actually pull on the STI.

My buddy and I did some pulls a little while back and while I was stock and he was running Cobbs stage 1, he barely pulled on me and only in the top end. Low end the MS3 always got a jump.

Your reasoning seems sound to me.

sleeper3

04-09-2009, 07:36 AM

not too shabby first try...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/seeyounever/The%20Z/cf4e4663.jpg

H3br3w_Ham3r

04-09-2009, 01:48 PM

not too shabby first try...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/seeyounever/The%20Z/cf4e4663.jpg

What's done to the car?

sleeper3

04-09-2009, 01:57 PM

intake, turbo inlet, intercooler, motor mount.

martyxcore

04-09-2009, 08:17 PM

trust me people dont believe the dh.

H3br3w_Ham3r

04-09-2009, 08:37 PM

intake, turbo inlet, intercooler, motor mount.

Thats insane! sub 5 sec with just those mods. Sure you didnt spin into third and trip the 60MPH a bit early? Or go downhill? If not good work man!

RC08MS3

04-09-2009, 08:43 PM

never get my AP to work right, i launch, as soon as i spin i cuts it off and gives me (-) through all the measurements.

sleeper3

04-10-2009, 07:55 AM

I don't believe the dashhawk either, but I will tell you this... I graphed out my quarter mile run and given extrapolated "guesses" I am sub 5 seconds 0-60 by that measurement as well.
I did chirp the tires in third, but I don't think I spun them all the way to 60... idk, I take all that with a grain of salt. Still pretty impressive.

cpmazda

04-10-2009, 10:45 AM

Its funny how the 09 wrx's are faster than the STi in 0-60mph. Anyone with an STI though will tell you, big f'ing deal. As soon as 60mph is achieved the STI will walk the WRX through th 1/4 mile and any other speed passed that. Its the glass 5 speed only that allows for the faster 0-60mph in the WRX. It hits 60mph in 2nd gear and makes for pretty quick times. Both the MS3 and STI need to shift into 3rd to hit 60mph.

After owning 2 WRX's in the past, I'll never buy anything other than an STI, if/when I go back to Subaru.

Anyways, I digress. To reiterate the point of the thread, this is for those with MS3's who can log their 0-60 times.

07Speedfreak, if want to play bragging rights lets log some off the roll times and see what turns up.........;)

my 06 sti does 0-60 in 4.5. its the fastest year tested to this point. mazdas definately arent made for 0-60. pretty much useless below 30mph

07Speedfreak

04-10-2009, 10:47 AM

cpmazda

04-10-2009, 10:47 AM

It would be close, thats for sure. Both have almost identical gear ratios and they both put down basically the same at the wheels and the MS3 weighs 200 pounds less. In fact I would think the MS3 would actually pull on the STI.

My buddy and I did some pulls a little while back and while I was stock and he was running Cobbs stage 1, he barely pulled on me and only in the top end. Low end the MS3 always got a jump.

Your reasoning seems sound to me.

done this race with an 07 speed 3 and my 06 sti, and I pulled a good 2 cars from a 40 roll.

cpmazda

04-10-2009, 10:49 AM

lol fanboys

Funny how one comment can piss you kids off without me saying absolutely nothing disrespectful to your cars. I owned a 07 Speed3 (...look at my name) until October, so here is the reason I'm still here.

without me saying nothing disrespectful........I feel a little dumber after reading that comment, lol. just messing around scooby for life

sleeper3

04-10-2009, 10:51 AM

I love my little speed3!

wrxs are sure enough nice cars too, just couldn't afford one when I was in the market... plus I have automatic lights and automatic windshield wipers!!!

07Speedfreak

04-10-2009, 10:51 AM

without me saying nothing disrespectful........I feel a little dumber after reading that comment. Im not a fan boy just like stating facts

Only I said was doing 4.61mph 0-60mph then they started freaking out. I didnt bash the Speed3 or any user on here. The Speed3 is a fun car to drive.

07Speedfreak

04-10-2009, 10:53 AM

I love my little speed3!

.. plus I have automatic lights and automatic windshield wipers!!!

Dont forget the heating wiper sensors, or whatever the hell those are called lol

sleeper3

04-10-2009, 10:54 AM

heating wiper sensors?

is that how it knows to wipe the sweat from my forehead when I get warm inside the car???

07Speedfreak

04-10-2009, 10:57 AM

heating wiper sensors?

is that how it knows to wipe the sweat from my forehead when I get warm inside the car???

no unfortunately

It melts the snow or ice from outside the windshield where your wipers stand.

GoFast

04-10-2009, 11:00 AM

i dont think we have those......

07Speedfreak

04-10-2009, 11:01 AM

i dont think we have those......

no you guys dont. And I dont have the auto wipers on the Subie either.:mad:

sleeper3

04-10-2009, 11:03 AM

oh man those would be handy here...

GoFast

04-10-2009, 11:03 AM

no you guys dont. And I dont have the auto wipers on the Subie either.:mad:

as lazy or trivial as this sounds. I love the autowipers and lights. I do wish that we had the auto melting thing though. that would be fantastic!! i also wish my autolights would come on when the wipers go on.

sleeper3

04-10-2009, 11:05 AM

The lights go on after the wipers have been on for a predetermined amount of time. I think it's like 2 minutes or something.

I only really use my auto wipers when it's drizzling outside. It's nice to not have to worry about turning them on and off as needed.

GoFast

04-10-2009, 11:06 AM

hmmm mine dont.....

sleeper3

04-10-2009, 11:22 AM

hm I read that somewhere I am trying to find something about it.

J-Villa

04-10-2009, 12:33 PM

All of ya'll love the auto wipers and lights... I hate them.

The lights are good, but sometimes they turn on when I don't want them on (parking garages usually) and don't turn on when I want them to (drizzling or really overcast days).

And the autowipers i HATE! I liked being to control the interval the wipers turn on for. I'll admit, they are good when your on a road trip traveling through spots of rain; but when your driving around town in the rain, I fell they get annoying. Especially when I just rain-x my windshield and they go nuts when it's sprinkling.

I would have traded the money they put into the autowipers and lights for a nicer head unit with more then 1 line of information... or atleast one that can be easily replaced with aftermarket setups.

sleeper3

04-10-2009, 02:53 PM

I leave my wipers off unless I am in patchy rain. I never feel like my car is dirty until I see lines from the wipers on the windshield. I hate that.

fostersafb

04-10-2009, 09:09 PM

I love my little speed3!

wrxs are sure enough nice cars too, just couldn't afford one when I was in the market... plus I have automatic lights and automatic windshield wipers!!!

After owning 2 WRX's and a FXT I decided that I wouldn't own any other Subaru other than a STI. I never liked the feeling that my car was second rate and didn't have the best that Subaru offered. I tried to convince myself that the STI was just a WRX or Forester with a 6 speed and Brembos but if you've ever driven both a WRX and STI you'd know that they are two completely different beasts.

I considered the 08 STI but wanted to go direct injection and $11k less for the MS3 sounded pretty good considering the fit and finish clowns on what Subaru offers.

I do miss the AWD but my gas mileage is better and every other aspect of the the MS3 is batter than any Subaru I have ever driven. I'll probably go back someday but for now, the speed is for me.

Anyways, this has gone way off topic.

derspi

04-12-2009, 07:20 PM

sleeper3

04-13-2009, 07:54 AM

I really wouldn't read too much into the AP & DH performance tests - I'm fairly certain they're not at all accurate.

As for the WRX265, great 0-60 times for sure but it really has nothing else to offer that's above and beyond the MS3 to be honest. I hope they upgraded the interior on the 265 because when the new gen WRXs first came out, I was amazed at how a brand new car could have such a crappy interior. I also kinda feel sorry for the guys who bought the "regular" WRXs and in only a year of ownership, find out about the 265.

They are as accurate as the sensors in your car. when your ECU says you're going 60, it stops the test. if that's due to wheel spin, then it's inaccurate. If your speedo is off, it's inaccurate. Other than that, I'd say it's pretty accurate. The quarter mile test is most likely nowhere near accurate since it counts wheel spin as part of the distance you've traveled.

aaronc7

04-13-2009, 08:31 AM

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u65/aaronc7/394.jpg

sleeper3

04-13-2009, 08:32 AM

sign me up for NATOR please!

H3br3w_Ham3r

04-13-2009, 09:29 PM

sign me up for NATOR please!

Haha me too.

derspi

04-19-2009, 09:08 PM

They are as accurate as the sensors in your car. when your ECU says you're going 60, it stops the test. if that's due to wheel spin, then it's inaccurate. If your speedo is off, it's inaccurate. Other than that, I'd say it's pretty accurate. The quarter mile test is most likely nowhere near accurate since it counts wheel spin as part of the distance you've traveled.

Agreed but the fact of the matter is, on this particular car, the DH & AP can rarely give an accurate measure of 0-60 & 1/4 mile performance because wheelspin is part of the game to good times. Either the owner is not pushing the car hard enough (ie. no wheelspin) or he's roasted the tires to get that 3.94 second 0-60 time like one of the posters has in this thread.

martyxcore

04-19-2009, 11:20 PM

oh god damn nators made it here too. we're all doomed.

sleeper3

04-20-2009, 07:51 AM

Agreed but the fact of the matter is, on this particular car, the DH & AP can rarely give an accurate measure of 0-60 & 1/4 mile performance because wheelspin is part of the game to good times. Either the owner is not pushing the car hard enough (ie. no wheelspin) or he's roasted the tires to get that 3.94 second 0-60 time like one of the posters has in this thread.

on the 0-60 time, wheel spin is not really an issue unless you can roast third gear, which I sure can't. Then again, all I have is an intake and an intercooler...

RC08MS3

04-20-2009, 09:00 AM

on the 0-60 wheel spin is THE issue, i get it so bad that the AP wont even give me a read out. 1st n 2nd are roasted even at an idle launch.

aaronc7

04-20-2009, 02:07 PM

yeah AP is gay for the 0-60 time...if you spin much at all it stops the test, which makes no sense for a 0-speed test

mazdaspeedster3

04-20-2009, 03:00 PM

on the 0-60 wheel spin is THE issue, i get it so bad that the AP wont even give me a read out. 1st n 2nd are roasted even at an idle launch.

Need tires?

RC08MS3

04-20-2009, 04:23 PM

nope, need suspension and slicks

sleeper3

04-20-2009, 05:29 PM

yeah I don't know why it would stop for wheel spin on a time to speed test. a time to distance test, I get.

07Speedfreak

07-16-2009, 03:47 PM

ok lets bring this on topic cause it was interesting at one point :)

From this morning. NOT a MS3. Easy launch, slipping the clutch at around 3k:

0-60mph in 4.40sec

I think I will shave a good .2 when its not as humid outside.

H3br3w_Ham3r

07-22-2009, 01:01 AM

MSMS3

07-22-2009, 11:45 AM

Accelerometer readings relate actual movement to time and distance. The clock begins with movement of car and not wheelspin, and is unaffected by wheelspin that would trigger a false 60 mph. Acclerometer also allows you to duplicate staging light roll-out. 12 inches is typical for shallow staging, so I set accordingly.

No portable on-board measuring device is as good as drag strip timers, and should not be considered absolute gospel. Butt good, properly calibrated accelerometers can come very close, and are considerably more reliable and repeatable in their results than devices that measure wheel speed.

AP and DH data logging do a lot of very useful things an accelerometer can't do. But for some purposes, especially things like measuring actual changes in movement measured against time or distance, it's pretty slick.

Here is some accelerometer data to consider. Mods listed below. 5.1 seconds is as good under ideal conditions as I can get with my mods.

However, the 4 second WRX would be in a heap of trouble from 60-100 mph, once his launch advantage disappears and we get full boost in third.

Submitted for your consideration: