Unsold 2008 Speed3, what's a fair price?

[dparm1984]

There's a local dealer with some unsold 2008 Speed3 GTs.

What's a reasonable price for one of the GTs? Bear in mind this car is still new...dealer obviously can't move it.

[uthemang31]

I think you can get a 2008.5 speed for 1500 below invoice price. I have been quoted that price by multiple dealers in the metro atlanta area. Bargain hard maybe you can get 2000 below invoice price.

Sunny

[dparm1984]

So would $18000 be out of the question for a brand new 08 GT?

[Sport6]

Worth a shot, depends on badly they want to get it off the lot. Leftovers they usually try to push because it doesn't really look good to have new 2008s next to new 2010s.

[240ka]

absolutely.

i dont see you getting out of the door with that speed for no less that 22-23 and thats pushing it. these cars hold their value and are getting more and more popular everyday.

in my little area(sanford/lake mary, its a suburb of orlando), with in the last few months there has to be about 10 new Speed owners.

i got a sweet deal on my 09 ms3 sport. i got it out of the door for 22k

[Hank3]

$18K? Wow...that would be an insane deal.

[eg6motion]

So would $18000 be out of the question for a brand new 08 GT?

yeah...unless its used. Invoice is around 23 for the GT. You can certainly try, but thats really low-balling your dealer IMO. But hey, awesome deal if they are that desperate!

[mazda_dan]

my friend just got his 08.5 for 26000 canadian dollars brand new

[dparm1984]

The dealer has about 6 or 7 unsold brand new 08 Speed3s. They still have unsold 2009s, and there's a few 2010 (non-Speed) 3s there now.

Website shows a price of 20999 for the sport, 22999 for the GT.

[djthom]

absolutely.

i dont see you getting out of the door with that speed for no less that 22-23 and thats pushing it. these cars hold their value and are getting more and more popular everyday.

in my little area(sanford/lake mary, its a suburb of orlando), with in the last few months there has to be about 10 new Speed owners.

i got a sweet deal on my 09 ms3 sport. i got it out of the door for 22k

proof? this is just wishful thinking...


to the op....we are in a deflationary period. you have all the power! use it! beat that dealer up and get the car for as little money as possible!

[240ka]

you wont get a gt for 18k. go after the sport but i doubt youll get the sport for that low of a price but its worth a try

[dparm1984]

Don't want the Sport. Want a GT.

And what sucks is that I probably can't get any of that nice promo financing on unsold 2008s (like 0.9 for 60) since it's a Speed model.

[Sport6]

before: 2007 MazdaSpeed3 Grand Touring
now: 2005 Honda S2000

Selling the S2000 for it or keeping it?

[dparm1984]

Selling the S2000. Actually probably trading it in. Such a blast to drive and a total-chick magnet, but it has absolutely zero utility.

[Wagonbacker9]

with the new 3 coming out, and this already being a year old brand new, they are either holding out hoping they find a sucker, or they're gonna take a lowball on it.. give it a shot, what can it hurt? if you don't get the price you want for it, you can always walk away.

[240ka]

proof? this is just wishful thinking...


to the op....we are in a deflationary period. you have all the power! use it! beat that dealer up and get the car for as little money as possible!
Well being that I just kbb'ed a 08 gt with 8k miles and it listed for 22,975-id say they hold their value pretty well

[Wagonbacker9]

I don't know that you could actually get that for one though... you'd have to find an awfully big sucker.. thats 24 bucks under MSRP NEW. I don't think thats realistic.

[240ka]

Don't want the Sport. Want a GT.

And what sucks is that I probably can't get any of that nice promo financing on unsold 2008s (like 0.9 for 60) since it's a Speed model.
Havent seen them run any "promo" deals on any of the Speeds

[MikeHTally]

proof? this is just wishful thinking...Does seem a bit far-fetched. That would make the car just a tick over $20K before taxes and fees. Invoice is just under $22K

To the OP: Can't hurt to try it. All they can say is no or make you a counter offer.

[340CID]

Something to ask is if the car is considered a used car already. Here in Canada, any 08 Mazda's (that are still considered new, ie: 15 miles on the odo) that a dealer still has and is trying to sell are now used cars.. That means the warranty has already started on them too but it means there is no freight/PDI charge.

You should be able to get that car for a pretty good price.... just be willing to walk away and they'll call you back.

[Wagonbacker9]

Something to ask is if the car is considered a used car already. Here in Canada, any 08 Mazda's (that are still considered new, ie: 15 miles on the odo) that a dealer still has and is trying to sell are now used cars.. That means the warranty has already started on them too but it means there is no freight/PDI charge.

You should be able to get that car for a pretty good price.... just be willing to walk away and they'll call you back.
that may be a canadian law.. I don't remember that happening here when I was workin for a ford dealer..

[ElGaspo]

as the old adage goes...you don't know until you try

OR you won't get the deal unless you ask for it - they're not going to volunteer a low price, it's up to you to ask for and wait for the response. worst thing that happens is they say 'no' and you tell them to keep you in mind.

if they still can't sell it in a few weeks, you'll be getting jingled & jangled. time is on your side, not theirs. every day the car sits in the lot the stealership has to pay more interest to their lender...

[Wagonbacker9]

as the old adage goes...you don't know until you try

OR you won't get the deal unless you ask for it - they're not going to volunteer a low price, it's up to you to ask for and wait for the response. worst thing that happens is they say 'no' and you tell them to keep you in mind.

if they still can't sell it in a few weeks, you'll be getting jingled & jangled. time is on your side, not theirs. every day the car sits in the lot the stealership has to pay more interest to their lender...


all you have to do is take on a slightly larger loan (with down payment etc) than they have on it currently, and they'll likely give it up, otherwise, as you said, its costing them money.

[MikeHTally]

Here in the States, a car is new if it's never been titled. Doesn't matter how old it is.

[Saskatchewan17]

We got our leftover '08 TR Speed3 GT that stickered for 26,100 for 23 OTD. This was in October, when '08.5s were plentiful and '09s were even more plentiful.

[ScratchNSniff]

Walk in with the $18,000 in cash...put it on the table and tell them what you want...it worked for me when I bought my car...I got it for $4,500 less than it was listed for on the lot...listed at $13,000 got for $8,500...also got new tires/fluids/tank of gas...pieces missing like floormats/cargo cover/roof rack caps...

Some people are desperate...lol...

[uthemang31]

To the OP, I got my 2009 Speed 3 Gt at 1,000 below invoice of 24,064. But, as I was leaving the dealer informed of 2,000 off Invoice on any 2008 models.

Sunny

[BillTheCat]

To the OP: I would probably call the dealership & ask for a salesman to call you about buying an MS3. (This way, they get your phone number, which is important later.) Make an appointment to test drive it with him. Show up, test drive, offer the $18k you want to pay. Negotiate for a good while, to make them know you are serious. If they say no, thank them politely and walk away.

They have your number, and know you are interested. The closer they get to having the '10 Speed models on the lot, the more desperate they will get to unload 2-year old leftovers. They will likely call you with a seriously bottom-dollar offer within a few weeks. Maybe not the $18k you are aiming for, but probably the best deal you're going to get. (Just don't go in after they call you back & start trying to add extended warranties, tire service, maintenance plans, etc., because they may rescind the offer if you do)

If you don't want to call ahead, just make sure that you get far enough into the test drive & negotiation process that you have filled out a form with your phone info on it. I've done that a few times before & it worked like a charm, especially at the end of a model year.

[djthom]

Well being that I just kbb'ed a 08 gt with 8k miles and it listed for 22,975-id say they hold their value pretty well

now do it again with 15,000...
not so good eh?

[happy and angry]

Man I am sure glad that the KBB listing for a car is what people actually pay for cars.

Something is only worth as much as someone will pay for it.

[camrycev6]

absolutely.

i dont see you getting out of the door with that speed for no less that 22-23 and thats pushing it. these cars hold their value and are getting more and more popular everyday.

in my little area(sanford/lake mary, its a suburb of orlando), with in the last few months there has to be about 10 new Speed owners.

i got a sweet deal on my 09 ms3 sport. i got it out of the door for 22k

Wow.... I am more amazed by your 22K OTD deal than anything I have read so far on this post. Let me get this straight... Orlando sales tax is 6.5%, so after we subtract the destination charge, tax and title, you have:

22K - $595 (estimated destination charge) / 1.065 = $20,098. So you got a Sport (I am assuming with the three typical options of Floor mats, Wheel locks, and auto dimming mirror) that has an invoice of $22,278 for almost $2000 less than invoice? Wow... your dealer must have been out of his / her mind. Almost too good to be true....

[eg6motion]

Walk in with the $18,000 in cash...put it on the table and tell them what you want...it worked for me when I bought my car...I got it for $4,500 less than it was listed for on the lot...listed at $13,000 got for $8,500...also got new tires/fluids/tank of gas...pieces missing like floormats/cargo cover/roof rack caps...

Some people are desperate...lol...

sounds like a used car....that won't work on new cars and dealers actually prefer financing...they make more money that way than cash.

[happy and angry]

Wow.... I am more amazed by your 22K OTD deal than anything I have read so far on this post. Let me get this straight... Orlando sales tax is 6.5%, so after we subtract the destination charge, tax and title, you have:

22K - $595 (estimated destination charge) / 1.065 = $20,098. So you got a Sport (I am assuming with the three typical options of Floor mats, Wheel locks, and auto dimming mirror) that has an invoice of $22,278 for almost $2000 less than invoice? Wow... your dealer must have been out of his / her mind. Almost too good to be true....That's not that crazy. It's better to take a $1,000 or $2,000 hit on the sale knowing they'll make it back in warranty work and the service department than it is to have a $22,000 red mark on their books from inventory they've purchased but can't move.

[squidmotion]

That's not that crazy. It's better to take a $1,000 or $2,000 hit on the sale knowing they'll make it back in warranty work and the service department than it is to have a $22,000 red mark on their books from inventory they've purchased but can't move.


that's just it... they will move the speeds... if they don't, they will move them around to other dealers until they do... i seriously doubt you would get one for 18k cash...

[camrycev6]

That's not that crazy. It's better to take a $1,000 or $2,000 hit on the sale knowing they'll make it back in warranty work and the service department than it is to have a $22,000 red mark on their books from inventory they've purchased but can't move.

I guess I am assuming with the popularity and relatively rarity of speeds versus other Mazda's, that dealers wouldn't have then lying around en masse. I can tell you when I got two speeds within about 5 months of each other, it was very difficult to find them in the DC/VA/PA area. It could have been because they had only come out 6 months before...but still. I suppose this dealer could have been the exception and just happened to have several 2009 speeds they just could sell or move to another dealer. Considering only licensed Mazdaspeed dealerships can even sell them, it just seems strange.

[02stang951]

haha im looking at the same dealership i think they have so many unsold speed 3's next week im goin over there and offerin them 20k in cash for a 08 sport and will see what happens, but then they also have a 08 sport with 1500 miles on it is that still considered new? because there sellin it as new its prob the demo car or somthing

[camrycev6]

haha im looking at the same dealership i think they have so many unsold speed 3's next week im goin over there and offerin them 20k in cash for a 08 sport and will see what happens, but then they also have a 08 sport with 1500 miles on it is that still considered new? because there sellin it as new its prob the demo car or somthing

Why offer 20K on an 2008? 240Ka got a 2009 for about 20K. Offer less... It would seem they took a deal like that before, why not again? Especially on a 2008. If they were hard pressed to get rid of an 2009 (Apparently they were...), they must be absolutely dying to get rid of an 2008.

[02stang951]

i was thinkin more like 20k OTD you think i could get better?

[camrycev6]

i was thinkin more like 20k OTD you think i could get better?

20K OTD would be a great deal. If you could get that, jump on it.

[happy and angry]

that's just it... they will move the speeds... if they don't, they will move them around to other dealers until they do... i seriously doubt you would get one for 18k cash...They will move them? Prove it. Cars aren't sold until they are... well, sold. Auto sales have dropped dramatically in the last several months, but it's not uniform across America. Some areas are still selling, some aren't.

Dealerships are pretty good at keeping in mind the bottom line. If they sell a car, chances are they are still making a buck off it, by incentives from Mazda or projected service history or even how they managed to get the vehicle on their lot.

I'm not saying 18k is a reasonable expectation, either, mind you. I just don't think it's right to say that a dealership is getting hosed on a deal when we only know the OTD price half of the equation. Or that it's safe to say a "car will move" given what's going on in the economy right now.

[Wagonbacker9]

I guarantee a dealer will NEVER let a car off the lot if its under their bottom line. so you're absolutely right there.. but with the economy being what it is now, their margins are being cut down to minimums to try to raise volumes... which is good for those who can still make payments..

[defected]

Is there a real difference between the '08 and '09 MS3? Be it features or reliability/problems? Be curious since a dealer has an extra '08 and if I can get it cheaper and there's no real difference between the '08 and '09, get the '08, right? But let me know if there is anything significantly (or at all) different. Thanks.

[dparm1984]

Okay, if I were to go for a used 2008, what's a fair price?

This one (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=258328309&dealer_id=1395205&car_year=2008&rdm=1238036884464&model=MAZDASPD3&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=used&distance=50&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=63784869&showZipError=n&make=MAZDA&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=60302&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=33&standard=false)

It's a GT w/16k. They want $19995. Should I get them down to $19000? Or could I push it even lower?

[240ka]

Wow.... I am more amazed by your 22K OTD deal than anything I have read so far on this post. Let me get this straight... Orlando sales tax is 6.5%, so after we subtract the destination charge, tax and title, you have:

22K - $595 (estimated destination charge) / 1.065 = $20,098. So you got a Sport (I am assuming with the three typical options of Floor mats, Wheel locks, and auto dimming mirror) that has an invoice of $22,278 for almost $2000 less than invoice? Wow... your dealer must have been out of his / her mind. Almost too good to be true....
Floor mats, no wheel locks or auto ,mirror. But one of the techs at mazda gave me a sett.

Bought it from daytona beach mazda. There dealership is closed and has now moved onto fords dealership next door...ford bought them..

So with that in mind, I came to realize that was the reason for why I got such a sweet deal.. I traded in my explorer which had a lot of probs. Got to the point to where I wouldn't drive it anymore b,c the engine had the metallic hum kinda sound coming from it and the engine vibrated pretty badily.

Told the sales manager the car didn't run well, wasn't driving it any more either. He assked me if I could drive the car long enough to drive it onto the lot and whether it had a v6 or v8. Told him I could tow it from orlando and have it dropped off right down the street from the dealership and would drive it onto the lot and that it had a v6...he told me he would give me $3k for my suv as a trade in so I jumped all over.

I was actually there with my cousion who was shopping for the ms3, I had never heard anything about this car until then. The sales manager kept saying to my cousin "whatever I have to do, I'm going to sell you a car today" but in fact iit wwas me who couldn't refuse the deal after I drove the car along with what he offered

[happy and angry]

Why offer 20K on an 2008? 240Ka got a 2009 for about 20K. Offer less... It would seem they took a deal like that before, why not again? Especially on a 2008. If they were hard pressed to get rid of an 2009 (Apparently they were...), they must be absolutely dying to get rid of an 2008.Who is "they"? 240Ka got 20K on a 2009 in Florida. The Op is in Illinois. You're telling me he should demand less because a dealership 1000 miles away sold a car for less? The sales markets in those two areas are not going to be the same.

[djthom]

Who is "they"? 240Ka got 20K on a 2009 in Florida. The Op is in Illinois. You're telling me he should demand less because a dealership 1000 miles away sold a car for less? The sales markets in those two areas are not going to be the same.

Stop using logic! this is the wrong place for logic!!!!

will you ever learn?

(rofl)

[camrycev6]

Who is "they"? 240Ka got 20K on a 2009 in Florida. The Op is in Illinois. You're telling me he should demand less because a dealership 1000 miles away sold a car for less? The sales markets in those two areas are not going to be the same.


haha im looking at the same dealership i think they have so many unsold speed 3's next week im goin over there and offerin them 20k in cash for a 08 sport and will see what happens, but then they also have a 08 sport with 1500 miles on it is that still considered new? because there sellin it as new its prob the demo car or somthing


He said he was going to the same dealership....didn't you read that part?

[camrycev6]

Stop using logic! this is the wrong place for logic!!!!

will you ever learn?

(rofl)

Logic is great... I use it all the time... I suggest reading the posts first.... It helps you keep from embarrassing yourself....
;-)

[happy and angry]

He said he was going to the same dealership....didn't you read that part?No, I read it, and even reading it again I can't tell if the guy you are talking to is going to the same dealer as 240Ka or the Op. It's not exactly clear who he is talking to, so, uh...

[240ka]

Who is "they"? 240Ka got 20K on a 2009 in Florida. The Op is in Illinois. You're telling me he should demand less because a dealership 1000 miles away sold a car for less? The sales markets in those two areas are not going to be the same.
yeah but my dealership was closing/getting bought out so there is reason that i found out later on why i got a money deal

[240ka]

No, I read it, and even reading it again I can't tell if the guy you are talking to is going to the same dealer as 240Ka or the Op. It's not exactly clear who he is talking to, so, uh...
i live in orlando, got my car from daytona beach mazda who was later acquired by gary yeomans ford

[happy and angry]

yeah but my dealership was closing/getting bought out so there is reason that i found out later on why i got a money deal


i live in orlando, got my car from daytona beach mazda who was later acquired by gary yeomans fordYea man, I get all that. Not confused about the deal you got at all.

Your deal just doesn't give the Op a good place to work from, is all. It's unrealistically low, even in a market that apparently can't move Mazdaspeed3s. And then a side tangent of realistic pricing started up based around what you managed to get.

Your deal makes me angry, by the way. In the "jealous" kind of way.

[camrycev6]

Yea man, I get all that. Not confused about the deal you got at all.

Your deal just doesn't give the Op a good place to work from, is all. It's unrealistically low, even in a market that apparently can't move Mazdaspeed3s. And then a side tangent of realistic pricing started up based around what you managed to get.

Your deal makes me angry, by the way. In the "jealous" kind of way.

Exactly... I wish I could have got a deal that good, but at that time the MS3s were new and dealers weren't going much below MSRP. Seriously, I am happy for you... I got the best deal I could at the time.

[daonly1around]

OTD price will vary from state to state for different tax amounts..

[djthom]

Logic is great... I use it all the time... I suggest reading the posts first.... It helps you keep from embarrassing yourself....
;-)

what like this?
http://www.sea-way.org/blog/embarass.jpg

[240ka]

Yea man, I get all that. Not confused about the deal you got at all.

Your deal just doesn't give the Op a good place to work from, is all. It's unrealistically low, even in a market that apparently can't move Mazdaspeed3s. And then a side tangent of realistic pricing started up based around what you managed to get.

Your deal makes me angry, by the way. In the "jealous" kind of way.

oh yeah, i dont think he will be able to get the GT out of the door for anything less than 22-23k and thats really pushing it

[240ka]

what like this?
http://www.sea-way.org/blog/embarass.jpg

(lol)

[camrycev6]

what like this?
http://www.sea-way.org/blog/embarass.jpg

That is pretty darn funny... Be better if it was a hot chick though!

[240ka]

^^^why, i thought you liked dudes ha. jus messin

[camrycev6]

^^^why, i thought you liked dudes ha. jus messin

Only if they are dudes that look like smoking hot women with a well done sex change... Because honestly... I wouldn't ever want to know. It reminds me of Thailand too much....
(blarf)

[dparm1984]

The sales manager at the dealership with the unsold 08 MS3s just e-mailed me late tonight to say that Mazda just announced an additional $1000 rebate on all 08 Speed3s.

Is this just a BS sales tactic he's pitching, or is it true...Mazda might be nervous about the 2010s already showing up on lots when there's 08s still there.

[240ka]

Only if they are dudes that look like smoking hot women with a well done sex change... Because honestly... I wouldn't ever want to know. It reminds me of Thailand too much....
(blarf)

haha, my brother is in japan. and he thought his sergeants wifes friend was fine as shit. but come to find out it was a japanese guy that had a sex change.

he kept asking the wife to hook him up and and she kept telling him that he didnt want to. he insisted so she finally told him it was a guy that had a sex change.

he was like "zack, i swear this was the finest guy i have ever seen in my life" haha

[camrycev6]

haha, my brother is in japan. and he thought his sergeants wifes friend was fine as shit. but come to find out it was a japanese guy that had a sex change.

he kept asking the wife to hook him up and and she kept telling him that he didnt want to. he insisted so she finally told him it was a guy that had a sex change.

he was like "zack, i swear this was the finest guy i have ever seen in my life" haha

It really is amazing sometimes... You wouldn't know without someone telling you in a lot of cases...

[camrycev6]

The sales manager at the dealership with the unsold 08 MS3s just e-mailed me late tonight to say that Mazda just announced an additional $1000 rebate on all 08 Speed3s.

Is this just a BS sales tactic he's pitching, or is it true...Mazda might be nervous about the 2010s already showing up on lots when there's 08s still there.

This one is easy to determine... Since they are now offering a rebate (according to him) ask him what the new price is. You should be able to negotiate a price, and then clearly see the 1000 rebate as a separate line. I know this for a fact because I just got my g/f a new Hyundai and there was a $1500 rebate... You can see it plain as day on the pricing sheet.

[dparm1984]

So all these "rebates" are basically just X dollars off the sticker, correct? It's equivalent to a bigger cash downpayment?

Weird thing is that now on MazdaUSA.com it shows a $2500 customer cash for 08 MS3...

[defected]

So all these "rebates" are basically just X dollars off the sticker, correct? It's equivalent to a bigger cash downpayment?

Weird thing is that now on MazdaUSA.com it shows a $2500 customer cash for 08 MS3...

Wow, thanks for the heads up, I found that too. Damn, that'll be tough to pass up....

[dparm1984]

Just talked to the dealership manager. He confirmed that it's now $2500 cash instead of $1500. The extra $1000 is only until 3/31. New fiscal year is 4/1, hence the quick drop.

Visiting them tonight. I think they're getting desperate to offload these.

[dparm1984]

They want $21799 - $1000 rebate = $20799 for a brand new 08 GT.

I figure I can talk them down to $20k. Sound good? Seems like a great deal on a brand new car. I need to be careful to get a very solid offer on my trade before getting into MS3 price...easy for them to lowball the trade and fuck you over.

If they won't come down to $20k, maybe I can get them to give me some free accessories? i.e. floormats, nose mask, wheel locks, or whatever else.

[Sport6]

They want $21799 - $1000 rebate = $20799 for a brand new 08 GT.

I figure I can talk them down to $20k. Sound good? Seems like a great deal on a brand new car. I need to be careful to get a very solid offer on my trade before getting into MS3 price...easy for them to lowball the trade and fuck you over.

If they won't come down to $20k, maybe I can get them to give me some free accessories? i.e. floormats, nose mask, wheel locks, or whatever else.

Yeah that sounds like a good deal.

As for accessories, get them to pay for a clear bra.

[happy and angry]

Sounds great to me, but you might have to settle for like $20,500 or something. That's still about $3500 cheaper than the old MSRP. Look into their fees and what have you, too, see what else they want on top of the car. Like, is that $20,799 before or after freight and PDI? Do they have a stupid $400 paperwork fee, or some crap like that? How else are they going to try and suck money out of you? What's the OTD price going to be after tax and all other applicable fees?

You may not have the option to shop elsewhere for this car which sort of limits your options, but don't be afraid to step away from the deal to think. You might even talk to other Mazda dealers in the area about the car you want if you think they can get stock from the dealer you are currently negotiating with, and see if they can give you a better overall deal.

Incidentally, get your price first then negotiate trade. If they cut you a good deal on trade they'll be less willing to move on the price of the car, or drop dealers fees, or throw in extras. If they won't give you fair trade on the car when they are so close to closing the deal I'd just do the whole "I can't sell my car for what you're offering, sorry" angle and walk. It's a buyers market right now, and they'll try and find a way to make you happy if you look like a serious buyer (which you must, at this point). Fair on your trade at a dealership is going to be KBB less about 15% - 20%, though. If they'll give you around that, I'd be happy with it.

[dparm1984]

I see what dealerships are selling my exact trade for, and I know a typical profit margin is maybe $1200-$1800. What's ironic is that the Honda dealer across the street only has a single S2000, and it's the goofy CR model that isn't as popular. That's going to work to my advantage.

I plan to stop at Carmax first and see what they'll appraise it at. At least then I can say, "well I can just sell it to Carmax for X and bring the money here."


I will likely play the waiting game. They have 3 unsold ones, and there are two other local dealerships in the same situation.

And if they're stupid about it, I'll just go buy the used 2008 with 15k for a few thousand less and be done with it. Again you can say, "well why don't I just go buy this used one and use the price difference to get a better warranty?"

[happy and angry]

Sounds like you don't even need the advice of the internet, you got all your ducks in a row ;)

Hope you can get good numbers from these guys, though. Leverage the dealers on each other, too. Get em to over your business if you can.

Good luck!

[Familia323]

The dealer has about 6 or 7 unsold brand new 08 Speed3s. They still have unsold 2009s, and there's a few 2010 (non-Speed) 3s there now.

Website shows a price of 20999 for the sport, 22999 for the GT.If they have that many left over, I think it's worth a shot. If you could get out of there with one for 20K I think you'd be doing pretty good.

[camrycev6]

Good luck dparm1984. Let us know how it turns out.

[92 Couper]

My local dealer has 5 08's on the lot when I went looking on February. i ended up buying an 08 True Red MS3 sport. The sticker on the car with thier "protection package" and pin striping was $24800. I picked the car up for $20,332 OTD.

[elsanto]

bought one yesterday with the 2500 rebate, it's real but over today!! I ended up 21,200 for a white GT with some addons. beautiful car.

[dparm1984]

I took a pass. Their trade-in offer was okay (not great), but I just didn't like the sales guy.

It ultimately came down to my cost. I simply can't swing a new one at this point. I'll keep looking for a used 07 GT.

[Kain]

Thought your username looked familiar (http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123721505)...

A car to me is more of a weekend toy.
... and now...

Selling the S2000. Actually probably trading it in. Such a blast to drive and a total-chick magnet, but it has absolutely zero utility.
Flipping two cars that quick to only start back at square one... maybe you need to sit back and think about the decision that makes the most logical sense, not just what tickles your pickle.

[mckraut]

So let me see if I understand this. You sold your MS3, bought an S2000 and are are looking to go back to an MS3 all within a timespan of about 7-8 months? Does that about sum up the insanity?

[Hank3]

Oh snap - out of nowhere pops Kain. Make this thread have funnAy. Guess I'm not the only wishy-washy around here.

[evil-98]

bought one yesterday with the 2500 rebate, it's real but over today!! I ended up 21,200 for a white GT with some addons. beautiful car.

no they have $1000 rebate and $1500 dealer cash, there jerking your chain thats it just one day.

i could have gotten a grey MS3 for 19,000+ but they wouldnt give me the 0% financing...

[Jackyll]

Just got my 2008 MS3 sport for $18k on Monday... they also gave me $3k over kbb trade-in value for my evo... I think they needed to get rid of it lol.

[Familia323]

Just got my 2008 MS3 sport for $18k on Monday... they also gave me $3k over kbb trade-in value for my evo... I think they needed to get rid of it lol.
You got rid of an EVO for an MS3? They got a decent deal because they can flip that EVO in a flash.

[02stang951]

can anyone tell me how the 2500 rebate or customer cash works

[Mz3Hatch]

Dealers are looking to get rid of anything leftover from 2008. My mom just picked up a 2008 Caliber SRT-4 for 18000. Sticker was for 24,730. Brand new, sat on the dealer lot for 384 days and they wanted it gone. Actually had 3 others there as well. Bottom line, anything leftover and with the economy, you can pretty much steal if the dealer wants to move inventory.

[Jackyll]

You got rid of an EVO for an MS3? They got a decent deal because they can flip that EVO in a flash.

Yeah I got rid of the evo for the ms3. Needed something smoother for a DD and I don't know how fast they'll flip a 2004 evo with just under 100k miles on it. Might be harder to get power now but 300hp doesn't seem to tough and that's plenty for going fast while driving to work

[02stang951]

Yeah I got rid of the evo for the ms3. Needed something smoother for a DD and I don't know how fast they'll flip a 2004 evo with just under 100k miles on it. Might be harder to get power now but 300hp doesn't seem to tough and that's plenty for going fast while driving to work

dude i think i just looked at you evo when i was at the mazda dealer cheakin out the speed 3s lol

[diddiyo]

I emailed three different dealers about cars they had on the lot (2008.5 metro gray MS3 GT's). Prices are before TTL etc.

1.
Options: Cargo organizer, Floor Mats, Compass/mirror, wheel locks
MSRP: $25,393
Offer: $20,999
Savings: $4,394

2.
Options: No options
MSRP: $25,025
Offer: $21,495
Savings: $3,530

3.
Options: Compass/mirror, Sirius radio
MSRP: $25,435
Offer: $21,546
Savings: $3,889

I'd prefer the third one since it has Sirius radio. But I think the price is a little too high compared to #1. Maybe I can do something about that...

[irnbru83]

Selling the S2000. Actually probably trading it in. Such a blast to drive and a total-chick magnet, but it has absolutely zero utility.

Exact same reason that my Trans Am was replaced by a MS3. I sold my T/A privately and gained $2500 over what trade-in would be.



My used '07 MS3 Sport with 7k miles cost me $18k when the '08 models came out lol... part of me wishes I'd waited, but at the time, the '09s had not been announced and I didn't think there would be an '09!!

[camrycev6]

S2000 is a chick magnet? Hmmm...really? Harley's, Corvette's, Ferrari's, Porche's, Ducati's, and other exotics --- but never a Honda.

[ElGaspo]

1.
Options: Cargo organizer, Floor Mats, Compass/mirror, wheel locks
MSRP: $25,393
Offer: $20,999
Savings: $4,394

3.
Options: Compass/mirror, Sirius radio
MSRP: $25,435
Offer: $21,546
Savings: $3,889

easiest thing in the world. email #3 the offer from #1. best damn way to buy a car in this age & market, use the innanets & pit 2 [or 3] dealers against each ohter. "2 men enter, 1 man leaves."

[Wagonbacker9]

I think you'd actually wanna show the #1 offer to #3.... try to get dealer #3 to come down $500 bucks....

[240ka]

Dealers are looking to get rid of anything leftover from 2008. My mom just picked up a 2008 Caliber SRT-4 for 18000. Sticker was for 24,730. Brand new, sat on the dealer lot for 384 days and they wanted it gone. Actually had 3 others there as well. Bottom line, anything leftover and with the economy, you can pretty much steal if the dealer wants to move inventory.
I would have told dodge they better give me that caliber for $5000 otd with 100k warranty if they want to make money and not go under haha

[240ka]

S2000 is a chick magnet? Hmmm...really? Harley's, Corvette's, Ferrari's, Porche's, Ducati's, and other exotics --- but never a Honda.
Vettes and harley's, chic magnets? Vettes and harley's exotics?

Sorry man but a vette is not a chic mag nor is a harley. Sport bikes are chic mags. And a mustang is more of a chic mag than a vette..look at how many chics drive them

[Wagonbacker9]

off topic, purely subjective opinion, and honestly... irrelivant... lets move on.

[irnbru83]

Oh snap, opinion on a forum!

[Kain]

And a mustang is more of a chic mag than a vette..look at how many chics drive them

In no way does the fact that a V6 Mustang be 1/3 the price of a 'vette have anything to do with it.

[240ka]

i have heard many girls say they want a stang. i havent heard any say they want a vette. unless she was like 50 ha

[tddelsol]

I'm to lazy to read this whole thread so if this topic is done oh well but I got my 08 ms3 gt for $19,900 otd about 3 weeks ago

[diddiyo]

easiest thing in the world. email #3 the offer from #1. best damn way to buy a car in this age & market, use the innanets & pit 2 [or 3] dealers against each ohter. "2 men enter, 1 man leaves."

hooray! :)
finally somebody approved me for a car loan with a reasonable APR. being a first time buyer without a co-signer in todays market sucks.

now I just need to play with the dealers a bit and see which one gives me the best price. hopefully by the end of next week I'm the owner of a new speed3 GT (naughty) :D