I tested out a 2010 Mazda3 Grand Touring

[Rockin03mp5]

So, while the P5 was at the dealer for a transmission flush, I went to look at the new 3s.

At this time they only had sedans, but i still wanted to check em out.

Smile!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/nvonde/IMG_1840.jpg

U will notice, they got rid of the 2.5 badge on the side of the car, and put it on the back. Now there is one less badge to remove!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/nvonde/IMG_1839.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/nvonde/IMG_1841.jpg

One thing I thought was funny, was that on the sport, with the 2.0, they gave it a chrome strip on the front. You can tell that the front smiley grill is a bit different too.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/nvonde/IMG_1842.jpg

So, since the dealership here is so awesome, they let me take the top of the line grand touring out for a test drive. It was this one. I like the dark red. It had everything. The tiny nav, 10 speaker bose stereo, 3 memory heated seats, push button start, 6 speed manual trans. I mean everything!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/nvonde/IMG_1838.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/nvonde/IMG_1844.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/nvonde/IMG_1846.jpg

Ok, now for my review.

The good:

The 2.5 is nice. Ive heard that it is unrefined, but i thought it was smooth, and strong. Whooops my p5 all over the place. Since it was new, only 10 miles on it, i didnt take it to redline, but did get to about 5.5k, and it was strong all the way and wanting more.
The transmission is smooth shifting as well. I had no problem finding all 6 gears, and did eventually figure out how to find reverse. (push down on the stick a little bit) I thought it was better than the 6 speed in the rx-8 that i drove.
The seats were very comfortable, and the heaters worked really well. It was only 25 degrees out, so they were needed. They had good support, and i could sit way back because of the telescoping stearing wheel.

The ride was nice and smooth, yet still zoom zoom. Not harsh like my p5. Seemed a lot like the older 3 i had driven a while back. Not a lot of body roll, and took the shitty MI roads like a champ.

The interiour looks nice, we will leave it at that.

I like the look of the rear. The dual exhaust, though pointless in a 4, adds a bit of class and symmetry, that i like. The led tails are a nice touch. They also got rid of the shorty antenna, and added a little fin antenna. Looks good.


Now the not so good.

With my ability to sit far back, there was little space behind me for rear passengers. I'm only 6 feet tall, but i have kinda long legs, and long arms so i like to sit back. At this position, the e-brake was hard to reach. It is on the far right of the cupholders, which are right behind the stick.
That is another thing. If you put anything in the cupholders, you block the stick. Very stupid. That was the first thing my wife did, was put her water bottle in the cup holder, and it made it impossible to rest your arm with your hand on the stick for ready shifting.

Now the transmission was very smooth, but the clutch took a lot of travel to catch, and the gear ratio was too close. That is my one peave about mazdas in general. Even in 6th, it was at about 3.1k rpms at 75 mph. That is only a little lower than my p5 is in 4th! WTF? With the added power, they could have stretched out the gears a little more to give a better mileage on the highway. Since i drive mostly interstate miles, this is a big deal to me.

Now if you look at the interior picture, you can see just how may fricken buttons they put on the stearing wheel. Holy crap! I'm gonna push all sorts of random things all of the time! Also, right to the left of the "zoom zoom" is the tiny nav screen. It is a little small, and hard to read way up there. I understand why they did it, to keep costs down, but it is useless really. Plus we couldnt figure out how to use it in the 10 minutes we were driving it.

Conclusion:

It is a mixed bag. I really havent driven the first gen 3 to see the real differences.

The looks will turn people away. You either like it, or love it.

The power is very adequate with the 2.5, but the mileage probably wont be there.

Lots of gadgets, so lots to go wrong.

Maybe I'm just a more simple person, or maybe i know you can get better stereos and navs for less.

If you like the look, be sure test drive all of the kinds. I'm interested to see how the 5-speed manual and auto feel. The car doesnt need 6 speeds, since it doesnt give you better mileage anyways, just more shifts.

So, basically, I will wait and see if the 2 comes here. Or for the new speed3. ;)

[CWPspeed3]

I'm sure it will grow on me but what the hell were they thinking with that front end? I see they dont have door moldings anymore.

[Rockin03mp5]

Didnt even notice the moldings, but i know how some of you are about them :p

[sanblaster]

Question for you dude. What did the quantity of 09's look like on the lot. Preferably sedans? I am looking at getting an 09 and want to know how quickly i need to start looking.

[willowofwisp]

What was price tag? It looks expensive lol

[Rockin03mp5]

Being top of the line, I think it was over 24k.

And they are pushing the 09s right now!

Offering deals on all sorts of 09s.

[c0de]

i don't like it at all, the front looks bad, and the rear looks worse !
the MS3 variant is too ricy with that hood scoop.
but the interior is nice, i guess.

[sanblaster]

And they are pushing the 09s right now!

Offering deals on all sorts of 09s.


That is what I am looking at. Hoping by next weekend. Thanks man.

[Rockin03mp5]

Yeah, here, they didnt have any 10's in the showroom. Just 09's with deals slapped all over em.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

God those look awful.... this is all I see when I see the front end....

[Foolish]

God those look awful.... this is all I see when I see the front end....

To embrace that idea, you could try to get the license plate " I " if your state does a white plate! (lol2)

[sanblaster]

God those look awful.... this is all I see when I see the front end....


http://www.msprotege.com/members/sanblaster1/IMG_1838%20copy.jpg

[Rockin03mp5]

haha

[sanblaster]

lol, less mouth.


I'm sticking with the 09'.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

wise choice....now we just need to convince you that the sedan is for women (lol2)lol, less mouth.


I'm sticking with the 09'.

[sanblaster]

wise choice....now we just need to convince you that the sedan is for women (lol2)


rofl.

[Rockin03mp5]

(actually, the wagon kinda looks like a little mini van so...)

[sanblaster]

A lil mini van like the 5?

[Rockin03mp5]

yup, but i own that (in both ways)

[Aaron23]

I went to the dealer just now on my lunch break and checked'em out. I can get an '09 Ms3 gt for $400 cheaper than the '10 Mz3 gt sedan.

[tunersteve]

I was at Sesi the other day and looked at some first hand. I like some of the new paint colors, but overall, I'm not sold on it. I would much rather take the '09 before I got a '10.

[Mazda3]

I like the 2010 3 more everytime I see it. What a great little car. Much better looking than the out going model.

[melan47]

I'm sure it will grow on me but what the hell were they thinking with that front end? I see they dont have door moldings anymore.

i am not exactly a fan of the new design, but apparently it has some functionality as it pertains to drag coefficient. the end result is a 0.29 Cd, one of the lowest drag coefficients in the compact class. may help with gas mileage on the hwy or something

[Rockin03mp5]

it may, but the horrible gear ratio still wont

[daonly1around]

it may, but the horrible gear ratio still wont

what was the tach reading at 60 mph in 6th gear

[judman13]

In case anyone was wondering about the looks of the hatch here are some pics =/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3603/3350866805_af1d96ea4a_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3467/3351688720_35b1c02486_b.jpg

[Rockin03mp5]

what was the tach reading at 60 mph in 6th gear

didnt remember, but i do know that at 75, it was at about 3.1k rpms.

my p5 is at 3.1 at around 70, and it only has 4 gears.

my 5 is at 3.0 at around 80 mph. it only has 5 gears.

and thanks for them pics judman!

[Antoine]

It's one of those designs that I think will grow on me over time...I'm diggin' the hatch more already...(thumb)

Big Thanks to Rockin03mp5 & judman13 for the pics & reviews! (2thumbs)

[Mazda3]

it may, but the horrible gear ratio still wont

The gear ratio's are performanced based. It's not a useless 6-speed with 2 useless overdrive gears. The gear ratio's are functional for spirited driving. This car is sold in about 75% automatic now. Mazda is assuming that the very small % of people that will actualy by this car in the manual are more concerned with performance and would be willing to sacrifice 1-2 MPG for a more spirited driving experience. The ratio's aren't horrible and they are that way for a reason. Buy a 2.0L model if MPG is that important.

[robin2660]

what was the tach reading at 60 mph in 6th gear

3100 is to 75 as x is to 60. Do the math!

The MZ3 has final gear ratios of 0.755 and 0.725, respectively, for the 5sp man. and 4sp auto. I'm now looking for the ratios for the MS3 and 6sp 2010 MZ3.

MS3 = 0.853:1
2010 MZ3 = 0.69 (5sp) and 6sp?

Someone said this on another forum:

" Odd to see that the new GT MZ3 cut over half a second on its 0-60, down to 7.6 seconds according to MT. While C/D had the 1st gen MZ3 running 0-60 in 7.4 seconds. If the half second is consistent, the C/D will do it in just under 7 seconds. Then again 0-60 times aren't all that important, specifically when dealing with economy small/mid size sedans.

well a big thing would be a 6 speed with slightly lower gears and a better 2.5 liter torque curve for city driving :)


well, based on the new gear ratios the new 6-spd at 80mph should turn 3350 rpm instead of 3550 rpm in 5-spd. I was hoping a little bit lower rpm but it is better than nothing."

Just found this, too: http://locost7.info/gearcalc.php

[Rockin03mp5]

The gear ratio's are performanced based. It's not a useless 6-speed with 2 useless overdrive gears. The gear ratio's are functional for spirited driving. This car is sold in about 75% automatic now. Mazda is assuming that the very small % of people that will actualy by this car in the manual are more concerned with performance and would be willing to sacrifice 1-2 MPG for a more spirited driving experience. The ratio's aren't horrible and they are that way for a reason. Buy a 2.0L model if MPG is that important.

when most of your driving to and from work is freeway, at 70 and up, you kinda want a little better gearing for the last 2 gears. that and during acceleration, too close of gears means more shifting, and therefore slower times. i just want it to cruise better. i just think they could have spaced the gearing better.

and the gear ratios are acceleration performance based.

mazdas have never been known for their gas mileage. they run rich. obviously i care more about the zoom zoom, but when the car is also a to and from work vehicle, i wish that it could get a little better gas mileage, when just cruising. im just asking for a little better gearing in the final 2 gears, ones that normally arent used in "spirited driving". I think that many of us wouldnt mind that, or think that it hurts the spirit of mazdas.

dont get me wrong, the car was very fun to drive. it has a lot of features for the money. (adaptive zenon headlights for one) it would be a great car if you can get over the looks. there are just some things that i dont like. and i probably wouldnt get one, but to each their own. i think the 5 speed would be plenty, unless the final gear is worse. i wish i had more time to really check them out. I also wanted to drive a speed 3 and just see what real power is, but my car was ready, and i didnt want to bug them too much.

[RADAR THIS]

the match book size nav gots to go...and the optioned up steering wheel, can we get some more features on it? like possibly the back up cam. rofl....and don't forget about that animated gremlin grin...

[Mazda3]

when most of your driving to and from work is freeway, at 70 and up, you kinda want a little better gearing for the last 2 gears. that and during acceleration, too close of gears means more shifting, and therefore slower times. i just want it to cruise better. i just think they could have spaced the gearing better.

and the gear ratios are acceleration performance based.

mazdas have never been known for their gas mileage. they run rich. obviously i care more about the zoom zoom, but when the car is also a to and from work vehicle, i wish that it could get a little better gas mileage, when just cruising. im just asking for a little better gearing in the final 2 gears, ones that normally arent used in "spirited driving". I think that many of us wouldnt mind that, or think that it hurts the spirit of mazdas.

dont get me wrong, the car was very fun to drive. it has a lot of features for the money. (adaptive zenon headlights for one) it would be a great car if you can get over the looks. there are just some things that i dont like. and i probably wouldnt get one, but to each their own. i think the 5 speed would be plenty, unless the final gear is worse. i wish i had more time to really check them out. I also wanted to drive a speed 3 and just see what real power is, but my car was ready, and i didnt want to bug them too much.

I understand what you want. I was just explaining why Mazda didn't do it that way. You are in a small % group that would choose the bigger engine with the 6-speed and want better cruising gears. I know what you are probably going to say, but try the automatic. I guarantee it will be the best automatic in a car under $40k you have ever driven. It's not the same 5-speed from last year. There is improved programming and response. They have also cranked up the response time on the drive-by-wire throttle. It will rev lower at 75 mph. The 1/4 mile times are almost identical to the 6-speed. The only time the 6-speed would be a real advantage is when doing autocross/rally/parking lot type racing.

[Raymo853]

The only time the 6-speed would be a real advantage is when doing autocross/rally/parking lot type racing.

Or whenever you do not want to hang your head in shame for buying an automatic.

[Antonio DiMarco]

I like the 2010 3 more everytime I see it. What a great little car. Much better looking than the out going model.

The white hatch is pretty nice looking- The contrasting black grille looks nice.

Like most great cars the 3 was a hard act to follow. Still I applaude Mazda for taking a chance with the new look. The interior in the 2010's are very nice. The cup holder thing is no different than what current 3 owners have to deal with. I think that's why Mazda added some holders to the door. I always put my bottled water in the door. Coffee and such goes in the center.

Funny how people can't be satisfied. I remember people were complaining about the $2000 Nav Package. Now Mazda tries to solve that issue and more complaints. The Nav is no smaller than the Garmin Nuvi in my wife's 5. It sits just about as far. When I sat in the 2010 I thought the Nav was perfectly placed.

[RADAR THIS]

you can definitely feel mazda spent less on it...the interior feels much cheaper...when it was on the lift the techs pointed cheaper things like the FSB/RSB, smaller than last years generations...they were pointing out things i wouldn't of even thought of...like bolts and clips things like that...

[Mazda3]

The white hatch is pretty nice looking- The contrasting black grille looks nice.

Like most great cars the 3 was a hard act to follow. Still I applaude Mazda for taking a chance with the new look. The interior in the 2010's are very nice. The cup holder thing is no different than what current 3 owners have to deal with. I think that's why Mazda added some holders to the door. I always put my bottled water in the door. Coffee and such goes in the center.

Funny how people can't be satisfied. I remember people were complaining about the $2000 Nav Package. Now Mazda tries to solve that issue and more complaints. The Nav is no smaller than the Garmin Nuvi in my wife's 5. It sits just about as far. When I sat in the 2010 I thought the Nav was perfectly placed.

I've always liked the sedan better, but I actually think I like the hatch in the 2010 model. I love the back end and for the grill haters the smile seems less pronounced on the hatch.

[Mazda3]

you can definitely feel mazda spent less on it...the interior feels much cheaper...when it was on the lift the techs pointed cheaper things like the FSB/RSB, smaller than last years generations...they were pointing out things i wouldn't of even thought of...like bolts and clips things like that...

Sorry, but this comment is just completely false. The Interior is a huge improvement. The materials used are a step up from everything in this class of car. This is something that every critic has commented on. Sorry just a false statement.

[RADAR THIS]

Sorry, but this comment is just completely false. The Interior is a huge improvement. The materials used are a step up from everything in this class of car. This is something that every critic has commented on. Sorry just a false statement.

sorry its the facts...it feels so cheap inside compared to last generation...and the parts the techs were comparing underneath the car...lol...no comparo...a good place to start would be at the match book nav...lol

[RADAR THIS]

oh and thanks mazda for making the sway bars smaller too...lol

[Mazda3]

sorry its the facts...it feels so cheap inside compared to last generation...and the parts the techs were comparing underneath the car...lol...no comparo...a good place to start would be at the match book nav...lol

Your opinion is mute on this one. You are out voted about 99-1. The Nav is that way for excellent reason which has already been noted several times.

[Mazda3]

oh and thanks mazda for making the sway bars smaller too...lol

Sway bars are stronger and handling is improved. Everyone who has driven the car has stated this. Nothing you are saying has any meaning you are just coming across as a hater with no meanful knowledge.

[RADAR THIS]

we all want a small nav that we can hardly see, yes...lol...and can we add some more buttons to the steering wheel...lmao...

[RADAR THIS]

and the front end...OMG...

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q33/tmndesigns/Web%20Links/pikachu_car.jpg

[RADAR THIS]

see that blue screen thats where the nav goes...sweet size...lmao...look at the vents in front of it...lmao

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q33/tmndesigns/downsized_0303091549a.jpg

[robin2660]

we all want a small nav that we can hardly see, yes...lol...and can we add some more buttons to the steering wheel...lmao...

[AllLostThings]

Damn THAT is the nav screen....Ehh whatever. Maybe it's a voice system and you won't need to look at it much.

[RADAR THIS]

they aren't even offering it as an add on...its strictly comes in the GT versions only...and its not an add with the GT...comes with it if you want it or not...

[robin2660]

Since no-one acknowledged ...

"3100 is to 75 as x is to 60. Do the math!"

Answer: x= 2480rpm

RPMs at 60mph

[RADAR THIS]

that is nice ^^^^^

[my3needsaname]

To add my opinion as a "previous gen" Mazda3 GT owner:
I was at my dealer...as always...putting the car into service and went upstairs to their showroom and they had a 2010 GT 5-door in that really ghey blue and I opened up the door and thought "wow that feels just like a Matrix XRS." Seriously, the quality between the 2 cars is uncanny, then I shut the door and it felt exactly the same. At least with my car there is a significant difference where mine reigns supreme. The new BOSE stereo is nothing to write home about, I got the chance to crank it and honestly, my 7 speaker system sounded better. Idk if any of you have seen it without the nav but note the picture below and it's a waste of space. They could have integrated their whole trip computer into the stereo screen which I may add is at a terrible angle, if you're like me and "gangsta lean" on the center console with one hand at 12 when you drive then the A/C and radio screen is basically unreadable. Not to mention the car feels much smaller with that 2 tier dashboard thing.
The back seat is useless to me and they added those things to the window that make the actual window that rolls down smaller (see attached picture and black bar running up rear door window) which is a total FAIL in my opinion. Where I sit in either front seat there is little to no rear seat legroom.
The worst part about the 5-door is that Mazda seems to have added a button to pop open the hatch. Those of you with hatches know now that is extremely easy to open the hatch no matter how tall you are, but in the 2010 that hatch pop is just a rubber grip and they moved the button about halfway up between the Mazda badge and the bottom of the hatch so it makes you contort your hand to actually open the hatch. Not good at all.
Other than that the car is obviously uglier than the previous generation and the quality of door panels is much worse.
The up side is that it shed a bit over 900 pounds to go from our (in CA) 150HP/156TQ and pitiful 26lbs/HP to a very acceptable and faster 165HP/167TQ and almost 17lbs/HP!!!!

So that's my take, it is worlds faster but it has some...a lot...of tweaks to be worked out.

[Mazda3]

Radar this you have nothing intelligent to say. You are just in this thread to hate on the car and irritate people so move on.

The look of the exterior styling is subjective. I love it, some hate it. The interior quality is not subjective, it is a fact that the material quality and fit-n-finish is improved.

I can't speak for the US market because I don't live there, but here is how the "mini-Nav" fits into the Canadian market. Nav systems on most cars here are a $2500-$3000 option. A leather full load 2009 Mazda 3 prices at about $26k CDN. The Nav has never been available on the 3 in Canada because nobody shopping in this price range here would add $3000 to that price to have a Nav, so it would have been a waste of time to offer it.

On the 2010 Mazda 3 the Nav is packaged with the Bose sound system, AFS headlights, push button start, and Satellite radio all for $1900. This package now makes a great top end for someone wanting a Luxury compact car. No the Nav isn't ideal, but it fits great into this price category. This is great marketing on a great car. Again I don't know how this fits the US economy, but it works great here.

[R-X-R]

the front end should be a nightmare to all mazda owners lol :D

[MakeMeGoFast]

hopefully the aftermarket will come up with a better front end design.....everything else looks good

[RADAR THIS]

lol...you must be all mighty then huh...rofl...OH MIGHTY MAZDA3, lmao

when has not liking something turn into hate? lmao oh god

the size of that nav, lol...i can see accidents happening with this, the amount of time for some peoples eyes to adjust to that size...


Radar this you have nothing intelligent to say. You are just in this thread to hate on the car and irritate people so move on.

The look of the exterior styling is subjective. I love it, some hate it. The interior quality is not subjective, it is a fact that the material quality and fit-n-finish is improved.

I can't speak for the US market because I don't live there, but here is how the "mini-Nav" fits into the Canadian market. Nav systems on most cars here are a $2500-$3000 option. A leather full load 2009 Mazda 3 prices at about $26k CDN. The Nav has never been available on the 3 in Canada because nobody shopping in this price range here would add $3000 to that price to have a Nav, so it would have been a waste of time to offer it.

On the 2010 Mazda 3 the Nav is packaged with the Bose sound system, AFS headlights, push button start, and Satellite radio all for $1900. This package now makes a great top end for someone wanting a Luxury compact car. No the Nav isn't ideal, but it fits great into this price category. This is great marketing on a great car. Again I don't know how this fits the US economy, but it works great here.

[RADAR THIS]

rofl luxury compact car...oh god lmao...hello its a mazda...

[Mazda3]

Actually I am a moderator and I was serious. Your posts in this thread serve no intelligent purpose, you are trolling. This is your last warning.

[RADAR THIS]

am i not talking about the mazda 3? its just the con side not the pro side...

[sanblaster]

rofl luxury compact car...oh god lmao...hello its a mazda...

Top of its class, best interior for its class, and yes it is a mazda.. Now settle down already because your posts have become truly annoying. Move on.

[Mazda3]

am i not talking about the mazda 3? its just the con side not the pro side...

You are not backing up your so called opinion with any facts or any intelligent reasoning. Repeatedly posting "that's ugly ha ha ha" " the Nav is stupid lmao" and insulting/disrespecting other members is not how we converse on this forum.

[RADAR THIS]

You are not backing up your so called opinion with any facts or any intelligent reasoning. Repeatedly posting "that's ugly ha ha ha" " the Nav is stupid lmao" and insulting/disrespecting other members is not how we converse on this forum.

did you not see my pics i posted...see the tool box and stuff in the back...i am obviously in a garage...where there are lifts as well...where i can view the bottom side of things...and youre not quoting me properly...i even said being a six speed is nice...

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q33/tmndesigns/downsized_0303091549a.jpg

[Mazda3]

Re-read your last few posts.

The pics you posted represented facts in what way? The smiley car pic is getting old, you were beat to the punch about 1000 times already. The nav pic represents what? I've seen the nav. I explained Mazda's reason for making the nav that way. This is a Mazda 3, not a CX-9 the cheap little nav gives more people a chance to have this gadget. Sorry you don't like it, but I think Mazda's reasoning behind it is sound.

They cheaped out under the car, how so? I've seen the car on a hoist. I didn't see anything that looked cheaper than the outgoing model and I've driven the car. It does drive a little better than my 2006, with the little more power.

They cheaped out the interior? I owned a 2006 Mazda 3 gt leather full load for 2 years. The interior was excellent, but there is no doubt in my mind they have kicked it up another notch with the 2010 model. It makes me feel like I'm sitting in a new Acura TL when I sit in a leather up 2010 3. Mazda says the materials are higher quality and I've seen no reason to doubt that. Niether has any of the auto journalists who drove the car. I haven't actually researched the materials to prove this is a fact, but at this point there is no reason to doubt it.

[GoFast]

eeeh everyone is entitled to their own opinion here just keep it civil. Unfortunately the innanets, and forums specifically, aren't always fact based. Even more unfortunate is that opinions are like assholes and everyone has one and everyone has the right to them.

Radar This, your point has been made move on to something new.

[RADAR THIS]

lol

[RADAR THIS]

my expectations are obviously higher...

Re-read your last few posts.

The pics you posted represented facts in what way? The smiley car pic is getting old, you were beat to the punch about 1000 times already. The nav pic represents what? I've seen the nav. I explained Mazda's reason for making the nav that way. This is a Mazda 3, not a CX-9 the cheap little nav gives more people a chance to have this gadget. Sorry you don't like it, but I think Mazda's reasoning behind it is sound.

They cheaped out under the car, how so? I've seen the car on a hoist. I didn't see anything that looked cheaper than the outgoing model and I've driven the car. It does drive a little better than my 2006, with the little more power.

They cheaped out the interior? I owned a 2006 Mazda 3 gt leather full load for 2 years. The interior was excellent, but there is no doubt in my mind they have kicked it up another notch with the 2010 model. It makes me feel like I'm sitting in a new Acura TL when I sit in a leather up 2010 3. Mazda says the materials are higher quality and I've seen no reason to doubt that. Niether has any of the auto journalists who drove the car. I haven't actually researched the materials to prove this is a fact, but at this point there is no reason to doubt it.

[RADAR THIS]

eeeh everyone is entitled to their own opinion here just keep it civil. Unfortunately the innanets, and forums specifically, aren't always fact based. Even more unfortunate is that opinions are like assholes and everyone has one and everyone has the right to them.

Radar This, your point has been made move on to something new.

sounds good

[Chibana]

The front end is actually growing on me. My first impression was, "Holy shit, what the hell is that?" After seeing them in person at NAIAS and at the dealer, I'm actually starting to like it, at least on the fancier model, like the red one you test drove. The 2.0L cheaper looking front looks just that--cheap. I very much like the quality of the interior, but I'm still not sure about the overall look and layout. I drive a crazy insane amount of miles on the expressway, so I'm disgruntled about the low fuel efficiency of the 3 on the expressway. Granted, the 3 is much better than the Focus, but the Focus gets 35 mpg on the highway. That rocks. Mazda should have made 6th gear taller, and I'm sure with some other tweaks, could have eeked out a few more mpg out of both the 2.0 and 2.5L versions.

[Rockin03mp5]

What happened to my thread?

Anyways, I was giving my opinions here, like everyone else. It is obvious what everyone dislikes. (the smile :D)

I only had a few minutes with the new 3. I didn't like it much.

I also have never driven, let alone been in one of the old 3s for any period of time, so I like to hear the differences, even if they are opinionated. But thats what everything is going to be, unless you give me weights, and breaking point differences of everything (ie facts that can be measured).

Truth be told, i could deal with the looks. I like the interior, but I think it is cluttered. I actually bought my protege because it was simpler inside than the 3. I think simple is cleaner. (plus the radio is a straight 2 din, so it was way easier to replace!)

On the small nav screen, i believe if they would have put it in a better (closer) place that it would not be a problem to me.

Anyways, I dont mind opinions, but everyone please keep their e-egos in check!

[Rockin03mp5]

The front end is actually growing on me. My first impression was, "Holy shit, what the hell is that?" After seeing them in person at NAIAS and at the dealer, I'm actually starting to like it, at least on the fancier model, like the red one you test drove. The 2.0L cheaper looking front looks just that--cheap. I very much like the quality of the interior, but I'm still not sure about the overall look and layout. I drive a crazy insane amount of miles on the expressway, so I'm disgruntled about the low fuel efficiency of the 3 on the expressway. Granted, the 3 is much better than the Focus, but the Focus gets 35 mpg on the highway. That rocks. Mazda should have made 6th gear taller, and I'm sure with some other tweaks, could have eeked out a few more mpg out of both the 2.0 and 2.5L versions.

This is what I'm talking about.

You can keep the zoom zoom without sacrificing the highway mpg!

I like to hear what other 3 owners have to say about the new 3!

[sCoGrIfToN]

I just went and checked out the new 3 this weekend... Full disclosure, I am one of those that like the redesign (current is a 07 3st). I did not test drive one because the dealership didn't have any manuals and I am not a fan of automatics. From what I saw, though, I thought it was pretty solid:
The nav screen looks small in pics, but I think it was more than adequete. I am not sure yet about the double layered dash, but the center console looks really good, and it still maintains the cool gauges for spd and rpm.
The car didn't feel cheap (interior) to me... I think it might be a strech to say that it feels like a TL, but I don't think there is another car within 5 grand that has a higher level interior.
Everyone that has a 3 knows about the initial "cramped" feel that comes from the center stack... and most seemed to adjust to it quickly, I know I did. This car didn't feel bigger, but it also didn't feel smaller at all.
Biggest negative is the price! I don't know what everyone else is seeing, but ALL of the gt models were well above 26,000 (I am in Cali), which is absurd to me. I love my 3, but part of the reason I dig it so much is because it is so fun and (to me) such a bargain at 18,000... (I could have gone with the gt for another 2,000 at the time), but anything on this car north of 25,000 is crazy! I am sure lots won't agree with me on this, and I have no clue what the dealership is willing to take off, but I was REALLY disappointed about the prices.

Also was unhappy that mazda passed on incorporating direct injection on this one... that alone might get me to wait and see what they annouce for 2011!

[Mazda3]

I think the seating area is about the same as the 09, they added about 3" to the trunk.

I'm suprised to hear US pricing is that high. Base GT in Canada is about $24k, $28k with leather, Nav, Bose etc. Usually there is a bigger difference between US and Canada pricing.

I was silently hoping for direct injection as well. I think its a matter of Mazda not wanting to put all their cards on the table at once. They will probably add the DI when they feel Honda/Toyota has pushed them a little more. Right now the 3 is so far ahead of thier competition. The Mazda 3 is the number one selling car in Canada the first 2 months of 2009.

[Antonio DiMarco]

I think the seating area is about the same as the 09, they added about 3" to the trunk.

I'm suprised to hear US pricing is that high. Base GT in Canada is about $24k, $28k with leather, Nav, Bose etc. Usually there is a bigger difference between US and Canada pricing.

I was silently hoping for direct injection as well. I think its a matter of Mazda not wanting to put all their cards on the table at once. They will probably add the DI when they feel Honda/Toyota has pushed them a little more. Right now the 3 is so far ahead of thier competition. The Mazda 3 is the number one selling car in Canada the first 2 months of 2009.

My understanding is that while Mazda sold a ton of 04-09 3's the profit margin was relatively low. Mazda maybe pushing the market price to see if the 3 can pull down greater margin.

Not sure of this. Does any one have any insight?

[Donas64]

Much like the new Mazda 6, I REALLY want to like the new 3, but I can't. The New 6 still has not grown on me, I'll have to reserve judgment on the new 3 till I see some in the wild (I've only seen 1 thus far) but it's not looking good.

Looks like my wifes next car will be one of these. You remember, back when Mazda made handsome athletic looking cars :) I kid because I love.

http://www.hallhummerva.com/Images/Vehicles/2007/Mazda/MAZDA6/JM1GG12L171108610_01_md.jpg

[my3needsaname]

Much like the new Mazda 6, I REALLY want to like the new 3, but I can't. The New 6 still has not grown on my, I'll have to reserve judgment on the new 3 till I see some in the wild (I've only seen 1 thus far) but it's not looking good.

Looks like my wifes next car will be one of these. You remember, back when Mazda made handsome athletic looking cars :) I kid because I love.

http://www.hallhummerva.com/Images/Vehicles/2007/Mazda/MAZDA6/JM1GG12L171108610_01_md.jpg
I sure do! Well, handsome and athletic looking but mine still doesn't appear to be running quite right.
Ah well, I still like mine better than the new 3, I just want mine to have the new 2.5L and to be about 900 pounds lighter...one can dream...

[Akaveli]

Mazda has seriously fumbled the ball with the 2010 3 & MS3. I'm seriously dissappointed.

[Rockin03mp5]

I sure do! Well, handsome and athletic looking but mine still doesn't appear to be running quite right.
Ah well, I still like mine better than the new 3, I just want mine to have the new 2.5L and to be about 900 pounds lighter...one can dream...

where did this 900 lbs lighter come from

that doesnt sound right

maybe 90, but not 900.

[my3needsaname]

where did this 900 lbs lighter come from

that doesnt sound right

maybe 90, but not 900.
My car (08.5 Mazda3 GT) weighs 3,993 lbs per the manufacturer door tag sticker thing...
The 2010 Mazda3 GT I was looking at in the showroom weighed 3,064 lbs per manufacturer tag thingy...
Also Mazda's site has those specs. So that's about 900 lbs lighter than the previous generation.

[Mazda3]

My car (08.5 Mazda3 GT) weighs 3,993 lbs per the manufacturer door tag sticker thing...
The 2010 Mazda3 GT I was looking at in the showroom weighed 3,064 lbs per manufacturer tag thingy...
Also Mazda's site has those specs. So that's about 900 lbs lighter than the previous generation.

The listed weight of a 2008.5 Mazda 3 Sport GT 5-speed is 2948lbs. The comparable 2010 model is listed at 3018lbs. That door sticker is maximum weight including passengers and cargo. Even my CX-7 GT AWD only weighs 3940lbs.

[Mazda3]

Mazda has seriously fumbled the ball with the 2010 3 & MS3. I'm seriously dissappointed.

That is a matter of opinion. I and many others love the car. And as I stated earlier the 2010 Mazda 3 is now the number one selling car in Canada the first 2 months of this year. They were number 3 last year and have now surpassed the Civic and Corolla.

[my3needsaname]

The listed weight of a 2008.5 Mazda 3 Sport GT 5-speed is 2948lbs. The comparable 2010 model is listed at 3018lbs. That door sticker is maximum weight including passengers and cargo. Even my CX-7 GT AWD only weighs 3940lbs.
You're 100% on that one? Because I'm either reading the site wrong or it actually is 900lbs lighter...

[Mazda3]

You're 100% on that one? Because I'm either reading the site wrong or it actually is 900lbs lighter...

I'm positive.

[my3needsaname]

I'm positive.
...hmmmmmmmmmm...this changes my whole view on reality...(smash)

[Mazda3]

This from the Mazda Canada website. Multiply the KG by 2.2 to get lbs. Your model is 1340Kg which is 2948lbs.



2009 Mazda3 Sport Specifications EngineGXGS, GTType2.0L DOHC 16-valve I42.3L DOHC 16-valve I4Displacement1999 cc2260 ccBore and stroke87.5 x 83.1 mm87.5 x 94.0 mmCompression ratio10.0:19.7:1Horsepower, SAE net148 @ 6500 rpm156 @ 6500 rpmTorque, SAE net lb. ft.135 lb. ft. @ 4500 rpm150 lb. ft. @ 4000 rpmFuel systemElectronic Fuel Injection (EFI)Electronic Fuel Injection (EFI)Recommended fuelRegular (Unleaded)Regular (Unleaded) DrivetrainTypeTransverse front engine / front-wheel driveClutch TypeSingle Dry Plate with Diaphragm Spring Transmission5-speed manual
Optional: 4-speed Sport mode AT with overdrive (2.0L)
Optional: 5-speed Sport mode AT with overdrive (2.3L)GXGS, GTTransmission5MT4AT Sport5MT5AT SportGear ratios: 1st3.3072.8163.3073.6202nd1.8421.4971.8421.9253rd1 .3101.0001.3101.2854th0.9700.7250.9700.9335th0.755-0.7550.692Reverse3.1662.6483.1663.405Final drive4.1053.6834.1053.863 Electrical SystemType12 VoltBattery75D26L (2.0L), 80D26L (2.3L)Alternator12 Volt - 90 ampStarter1.0kW (2.0L), 1.4kW (2.3L)Ignition systemBreakerless electronic ChassisFrameUnit body (monocoque) with side door impact protection beams and triple “H” constructionFront suspensionIndependent, strut type, coil springs, stabilizer barRear suspensionIndependent, multi-link type, coil springs, stabilizer barShock AbsorbersTelescopic-type, double actingSteeringRack and pinion with Electro Hydraulic Power Assist SteeringSteering ratio14.6 : 1Steering wheel turns2.9 ( lock to lock)Min. turning circle10.4m (curb to curb)BrakesPower-assisted front and rear disc brakes
Anti-lock Braking System with Electronic Brake Force Distribution Wheels and TiresWheels15” styled steel wheels with full wheel covers (GX)
15” alloy wheels (GX w/ Comfort pkg.)
16” alloy wheels (GS)
17” alloy wheels (GT)Tires195/65R15 all-season tires (GX)
205/55R16 all-season tires (GS)
205/50R17 all-season tires (GT)Curb weight1,269kg (MT)/ 1,282kg (AT) - GX without A/C
1,281kg (MT)/ 1,294kg (AT) - GX and GS models with A/C
1,340kg (MT)/ 1,364kg (AT) - GT models CapacitiesSeating 5Washer fluid tank4.0LFuel tank55LCoolant capacity7.5L External Dimensions (mm)Wheelbase2,640Track (Fr/Rr)1,530 / 1,515Overall length4,490Overall width1,755Overall height1,465Ground clearance145 Internal Dimensions (mm)Headroom(fr/rr)994 mm / 976 mm (without moonroof)
971 mm / 974 mm (with moonroof)Legroom (fr/rr)1,065 mm / 922 mmShoulder room (fr/rr)1,394 mm / 1,371 mmPassenger volume2,698.6LTrunk room capacity484.2LTrunk room capacity (rear seats folded)1,240.27LTotal interior volume3,182.8L Transport Canada Fuel Economy Ratings*2.0L (GX)2.3L (GS, GT)5MT4AT Sport5MT5AT SportCity8.4L/100km9.1L/100km9.2L/100km9.5L/100kmHighway6.1L/100km6.4L/100km6.7L/100km6.9L/100km Estimated Performance Data2.0L2.3LTop Speed (km/h)188 (with speed limiter)188 (with speed limiter) *Estimated fuel economy. Your actual fuel consumption may vary.

[my3needsaname]

huh...it's weird because the US site says 3,064...
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/display2010Mazda3.action?vehicleCode=M3H&directPath=m3h/home
under specs > engine & mechanical > all the way at the bottom, AT transmission

[Akaveli]

That is a matter of opinion. I and many others love the car. And as I stated earlier the 2010 Mazda 3 is now the number one selling car in Canada the first 2 months of this year. They were number 3 last year and have now surpassed the Civic and Corolla.

Well the majority don't like the new design on the new 3. The new 2010 Mazda3 might be the number 1 selling car in canada but here in the USA I doubt it will be.

[GoFast]

You're 100% on that one? Because I'm either reading the site wrong or it actually is 900lbs lighter...

I think that the 3900+ lbs that you are seeing is actually the GVWR which is the actually weight of the the vehicle plus the weight of passengers, fuel, cargo and any additional accessories.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I test drove the 2010 3 yesterday and was thoroughly impressed. Fit and finish was top notch, interior comfort and amenities were plentiful. It felt like you were driving a much higher-class vehicle. It's almost too bad it's got only that much HP. A little more and you'd have a total solution in one car!

I agree that the looks are a little out there. But it's almost like the CX-7. Not everyone likes the looks, until you drive the damn thing and you can't help but be in love!

[Mazda3]

Well the majority don't like the new design on the new 3. The new 2010 Mazda3 might be the number 1 selling car in canada but here in the USA I doubt it will be.

The majority you are reffering to are a few hundred people in a handful of threads on the Internet. That doesn't come close to representing the total buying public. Most I have talked to love the car.

[Mazda3]

huh...it's weird because the US site says 3,064...
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/display2010Mazda3.action?vehicleCode=M3H&directPath=m3h/home
under specs > engine & mechanical > all the way at the bottom, AT transmission

Sorry, I thought you had a manual. That is right for the automatic.

[sjdmp5]

Well the majority don't like the new design on the new 3. The new 2010 Mazda3 might be the number 1 selling car in canada but here in the USA I doubt it will be.

That's because Canadians buy smaller fun to drive cars instead of SUV's. More European cars would end up over here if Americans didn't have to have everything bigger. 61% of vehicles sold in Canada last year were entry level, which includes subcompact cars, compact cars & compact CUV/SUV.

[laraw]

I'm sorry, but the new 2010 Mazda3 is a disaster. I finally saw it in person (both the GT and base model in hatchback and sedan) on Saturday and am beyond disappointed. The front fascia is far too loony tooney and unsophisticated for my taste (will it stop smiling... ever?) and the rear end tail lights are hideous and IMO completely ruin it. I had the opportunity to sit in the GT, as well as the base model and am not at all impressed. The navigation screen is tiny, there are too many buttons to mess around with and the quality of the seats just did not impress me. Having owned a 2007 Mazda3 Grand Touring sedan and now a 2008.5 Mazdaspeed3 GT I would chose the exterior AND interior of either my new (especially with my alacantra.. nom nom) or old car any day of the week.

I am just so utterly disappointed. :( Oh well..

http://larawdesigns.com/Photos/New3/1.jpg

http://larawdesigns.com/Photos/New3/2.jpg

http://larawdesigns.com/Photos/New3/3.jpg

http://larawdesigns.com/Photos/New3/4.jpg

http://larawdesigns.com/Photos/New3/5.jpg

http://larawdesigns.com/Photos/New3/6.jpg

http://larawdesigns.com/Photos/New3/7.jpg

http://larawdesigns.com/Photos/New3/8.jpg

http://larawdesigns.com/Photos/New3/9.jpg

[Mazda3]

:rolleyes:

[mountjonas]

:rolleyes:

i happen to like the car, but man, you're overly sensitive about defending it. all you're doing with your eye rolls is just fueling more comments from other people.

[Mazda3]

i happen to like the car, but man, you're overly sensitive about defending it. all you're doing with your eye rolls is just fueling more comments from other people.

I know, but all the negativity on the forum gets a little old sometimes. This really isn't much different then the way the Protege owners hated on the 1st gen Mazda 3 when it came out. Now most of them own one. I can live with the smile comments as old as they are because that is opinion, but the interior is simply a higher quality level period. It is fact not opinion.

I'm not sure why I've taken up the fight for the new 3 I don't even own one. Probably just sick of the worlds coming to an end attitude that seems to be floating around. The 2010 3 is a great car for the money.

[laraw]

I haven't even been following this thread... but with any new car that is drastically different than the outgoing model you are going to have people who love it and a portion of people who hate it.

I have to say I really did not like it in pictures, and I was hoping that I'd like it in person... but that was not the case. Oh well!

I'll enjoy my Speed3 for the next few years and hope by the time I sell it something else will be out that I like.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

dude, seriously, just because YOU like it doesnt mean that those of us who DONT like it shouldnt voice our opinion nor is it any less valid than yours.

Just stop.I know, but all the negativity on the forum gets a little old sometimes. This really isn't much different then the way the Protege owners hated on the 1st gen Mazda 3 when it came out. Now most of them own one. I can live with the smile comments as old as they are because that is opinion, but the interior is simply a higher quality level period. It is fact not opinion.

I'm not sure why I've taken up the fight for the new 3 I don't even own one. Probably just sick of the worlds coming to an end attitude that seems to be floating around. The 2010 3 is a great car for the money.

[my3needsaname]

I think that the 3900+ lbs that you are seeing is actually the GVWR which is the actually weight of the the vehicle plus the weight of passengers, fuel, cargo and any additional accessories.
That would make sense.
Sorry, I thought you had a manual. That is right for the automatic.
Yep, automatic.

[Krunko]

I went to Galpin Mazda today here in the SF valley in LA because my friend needed to drop off her car. I asked the manager when they were getting the new 3's in. He gave me a kinda funny look and then told me he had them in a 'secret location.' I asked him if I could see this secret location, and he agreed. We took a ride in a CX-7 down sepulveda blvd., took a right into the ford/jaguar/mazda lot where they store all their extra cars, got through security and rolled on in.

Unfortunately he didn't have a hatchback there,but I got to sit inside a new sedan that was fully loaded. I really liked the interior a lot, the dash is very nice. I wish they would have had some hatchbacks in.

[Rockin03mp5]

I test drove the 2010 3 yesterday and was thoroughly impressed. Fit and finish was top notch, interior comfort and amenities were plentiful. It felt like you were driving a much higher-class vehicle. It's almost too bad it's got only that much HP. A little more and you'd have a total solution in one car!

I agree that the looks are a little out there. But it's almost like the CX-7. Not everyone likes the looks, until you drive the damn thing and you can't help but be in love!

where did you go to test one?

i went to sesi in ypsi.

any hatchbacks?

i do agree, they are very comfortable, and should be easy for anyone to to get comfortable with all of the adjustability.

it drives really well too!

i just know that whenever you get a new car, there will be things you miss about the old, and things you like about the new.

[tunersteve]

Gorno had that electric blue hatchback today when I had the car there. Not as bad as I thought it would be.

[Silver Ecstasy]

where did you go to test one?

i went to sesi in ypsi.

any hatchbacks?

i do agree, they are very comfortable, and should be easy for anyone to to get comfortable with all of the adjustability.

it drives really well too!

i just know that whenever you get a new car, there will be things you miss about the old, and things you like about the new.

I test drove one at Suburban. It was a red sedan.

[Newf]

I seen them a few weeks ago. I can't say it's my taste at all. The front is just too much for a little car. it's too busy, the grill too open. It just all looks odd. even the back tail lights look like they belong on another car.

There is a nice car underneath it all though. And I think, with some minor revisions to the outside, maybe in a few years time if mazda does another minor refresh, that it would be really good looking. All they really need to do is fix that god aweful smiley grill, just change the lower bumper a bit, and I think you would have a better looking car.

As a Mazda fan for years, I can't say I'm impressed with this new design direction they are going in with the 3/6. I think they lost at least one customer so far, and I know my woman hates the 3 now as well.

[my3needsaname]

Alright, today I was picking my car up from service and parked it right next to a 2010 5-door in black and although I should've taken pictures, I stupidly didn't. But! Have no fear...mine is totally hotter. Looks way better than the new one when you compare them side by side, just more proportioned and sleeker.

[Raymo853]

There is a good chance I will be buying a 2010 3 Hatchback (GT, 6 speed, copper red, no nav, sunroof) but yes do agree that on looks it falls below the 2007-2009. The smalls changes in 2007 made the already nice 3 into one of the best looking small cars around. But looks are not the most important to me on how I pick a car.

[MazdaSpeeder]

This review is great...I love the 2.5, the 6 speed, but I just can't stomach the grille. I've tried...I just...can't.

[Rockin03mp5]

thanks!

[derrick1623]

having owned three mazdas now, and considering myself an "expert" mazda maniac...i'd have to say that, yes...the interior seems superior, while flawed by button placement (on the nav model i assume)

i drive a 07 i touring now, and have to say without a doubt that i like my exterior design better than the upcoming model.

i really liked the pictures when i first saw them, but i personally don't think i could open the garage and see that grinning grill everyday.

my .02

[Rockin03mp5]

I wonder what painting of said grill would look like.

Painting it to match the rest of the car that is.

At least the top part.

Any photoshop masters here?

[robin2660]

This review is great...I love the 2.5, the 6 speed, but I just can't stomach the grille. I've tried...I just...can't.

You will never see the grill driving the car. Personally, I have NEVER bought a car because of looks or avoided buying one because of its style.

All my style is about me, not my car. (headbang)

[robin2660]

i really liked the pictures when i first saw them, but i personally don't think i could open the garage and see that grinning grill everyday.

my .02

Are you one of these people who back their cars into the driveway/garage? (never understood that ... quick getaway?). LOL

[derrick1623]

Are you one of these people who back their cars into the driveway/garage? (never understood that ... quick getaway?). LOL

not always, i usually pull in frontwards, but i was just saying i don't care for the styling.

[Rockin03mp5]

Are you one of these people who back their cars into the driveway/garage? (never understood that ... quick getaway?). LOL

I have to back into my garage.

Only way to fit both cars in. (both drivers doors facing middle)

The looks are growing on me. (sssh)

[my3needsaname]

There is a good chance I will be buying a 2010 3 Hatchback (GT, 6 speed, copper red, no nav, sunroof) but yes do agree that on looks it falls below the 2007-2009. The smalls changes in 2007 made the already nice 3 into one of the best looking small cars around. But looks are not the most important to me on how I pick a car.
Well...maybe it'll be nicer than the usual ones and you can throw some nice tint on the windows to give it a sleeker look. At least when I did that, it mine looked less "bubble" and more streamlined.
It is, looks wise, it's great! Couldn't be happier! I mean a few more minor tweaks to the front bumper and hood to make it look even better but that's about it.

I neglected to mention that my 3 seems to have more passenger legroom all around than the new one...thought that was interesting.

[Rockin03mp5]

Did anybody else notice this?

The placement of the front plate!

I'm so happy we dont need one here in MI.



http://larawdesigns.com/Photos/New3/5.jpg


Hmmm... seems familiar!

God those look awful.... this is all I see when I see the front end....

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=146229

[Silver Ecstasy]

Well i'm going tomorrow morning with a buddy of mine to test drive a GT 5-door tomorrow. I'll report back! The color selection seems pretty interesting, seems like they are offering that bright blue as an available color. That'll be extra rare!

[Rockin03mp5]

Sweet

I wanted to compair with a speed3, but didnt have the time.

[MazdaSpeeder]

Are you one of these people who back their cars into the driveway/garage? (never understood that ... quick getaway?). LOL

It's the only way to park!

[my3needsaname]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=146229
HAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!! (rofl) (rofl) (rofl)

[P2K]

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I just want to put in my 2 cents. Being a Mazda loyalist, I can honestly say I didn't like the car from the beginning and the grill just made it even worse for me to look at. I don't agree with the interior layout, it just seems like it's too busy. Maybe if they consolidated everything in the center of the dash like the other Mazda vehicles with a touch screen like the new 6, 5, CX-7, and CX-9, that would've solved the small nav irritation everyone is having including myself. Why do for all the others and not one? I dont think the cost would've gone up much more than a fully loaded 3 is right now, but that's my opinion.

My only two gripes are the grill and busy interior. Other than that, it's starting to grow on me. Granted I would never buy one, but if I was in the market for a new car, I'd get the sedan. I think it's an awesome car and I'll congradulate anyone for buying one, but I don't feel it's any better than the outgoing model. Just different and has more options than it's predecessor. Either way, I like my MS3 more.

As said earlier, there's always people who will take to new designs and others won't. I applaud Mazda for trying something different, it's just not something I want. This was apparent on this forum when the 3 replaced the Protege. Everyone argued about the design, some liked it and some didn't. I didn't like it at first, it grew on me, bought a MS3, got rid of the Protege.

Here's some chopped pics of a sedan I found, which makes me like it even more. The grill is a little easier to look at, but the grin is still there. He also did one of the interior with a touchscreen from the new 6. Looks way better. He even did a MS3 sedan version. Sorry for jacking your thread Rockin03mp5 and flooding it with all these pics, I just found this subject interesting to talk about.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/blink_me192/maz3interior.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/blink_me192/Gen%202%20Mazda%203/Black.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/blink_me192/Gen%202%20Mazda%203/TitaniumGrey.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/blink_me192/Gen%202%20Mazda%203/Liquid-Platinum.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/blink_me192/Gen%202%20Mazda%203/Crystal-Pearl-White.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/blink_me192/Gen%202%20Mazda%203/Candy-Apple-Red.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/blink_me192/Gen%202%20Mazda%203/Deep-Blue.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/blink_me192/Gen%202%20Mazda%203/Golden-Yellow.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/blink_me192/Gen%202%20Mazda%203/Icy-Blue.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/blink_me192/Gen%202%20Mazda%203/Mazdaspeed3.jpg

[MazdaSpeeder]

The grill replacement, wheels and drop make a big difference. But I don't want to spend another $1500 just to make the car look like it should have in the first place...

[Dparks7]

I test drove a 2010 5 door today with the 2.5. they are nasty. if i had the money i would be outside in the 26 degree weather right now waxing it. i might even sleep in it. i may have to get the soon to be wife to get one so i can still get my evo and have a mazda. the protege will retire to winter beater

[my3needsaname]

The grill replacement, wheels and drop make a big difference. But I don't want to spend another $1500 just to make the car look like it should have in the first place...
x2, well said.

[Antonio DiMarco]

I test drove a 2010 5 door today with the 2.5. they are nasty. if i had the money i would be outside in the 26 degree weather right now waxing it. i might even sleep in it. i may have to get the soon to be wife to get one so i can still get my evo and have a mazda. the protege will retire to winter beater

You guys and your colorful language. :)

[Raymo853]

This review is great...I love the 2.5, the 6 speed, but I just can't stomach the grille. I've tried...I just...can't.

Those rear lights are hard to stomach as well. Just so trying to be overly effective.

[Rockin03mp5]

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I just want to put in my 2 cents. Being a Mazda loyalist, I can honestly say I didn't like the car from the beginning and the grill just made it even worse for me to look at. I don't agree with the interior layout, it just seems like it's too busy. Maybe if they consolidated everything in the center of the dash like the other Mazda vehicles with a touch screen like the new 6, 5, CX-7, and CX-9, that would've solved the small nav irritation everyone is having including myself. Why do for all the others and not one? I dont think the cost would've gone up much more than a fully loaded 3 is right now, but that's my opinion.

My only two gripes are the grill and busy interior. Other than that, it's starting to grow on me. Granted I would never buy one, but if I was in the market for a new car, I'd get the sedan. I think it's an awesome car and I'll congradulate anyone for buying one, but I don't feel it's any better than the outgoing model. Just different and has more options than it's predecessor. Either way, I like my MS3 more.

As said earlier, there's always people who will take to new designs and others won't. I applaud Mazda for trying something different, it's just not something I want. This was apparent on this forum when the 3 replaced the Protege. Everyone argued about the design, some liked it and some didn't. I didn't like it at first, it grew on me, bought a MS3, got rid of the Protege.

Here's some chopped pics of a sedan I found, which makes me like it even more. The grill is a little easier to look at, but the grin is still there. He also did one of the interior with a touchscreen from the new 6. Looks way better. He even did a MS3 sedan version. Sorry for jacking your thread Rockin03mp5 and flooding it with all these pics, I just found this subject interesting to talk about.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/blink_me192/Gen%202%20Mazda%203/Golden-Yellow.jpg


I'm looking for others opinions as well as sharing my own. Good or bad are welcome.

Looking at pictures is one thing though, you have to go out and drive one. Although, if you have a speed3, there isnt too much for you in the new ones... yet.

Also, dig the wheels on those shops. And I love that gold color. I do wish there were more color options. I like bright colors for my small cars so you can actually see them. (never mind my black p5 ;))

[Dparks7]

on the engine. my mom has a 2.3 mazda 3 5-door. (ya we got a whole mazda family... my brother has a protege too) the 2.5 feels good. very quiet and civilized when just cruzing. when you hit the gas there is a difference between the 2.3 and the 2.5. i like it, another mazda or 2 sold in my opinion (btw does it bother anyone else that mazda is not a real word in spell check)

[Olestra]

Here's some chopped pics of a sedan I found, which makes me like it even more. The grill is a little easier to look at, but the grin is still there. He also did one of the interior with a touchscreen from the new 6. Looks way better. He even did a MS3 sedan version. Sorry for jacking your thread Rockin03mp5 and flooding it with all these pics, I just found this subject interesting to talk about.

I love those wheels. Much better than the 2010 alloys.
And I would take that interior in a heartbeat.

[MazdaSpeeder]

(btw does it bother anyone else that mazda is not a real word in spell check)

It's because you're not capitalizing it...it's a proper noun. Punctuation Police (five-0) haha!

[P2K]

Looking at pictures is one thing though, you have to go out and drive one. Although, if you have a speed3, there isnt too much for you in the new ones... yet.
Yeah, I know and I'm looking forward to test driving one soon just to see all the changes for myself. You maybe right, pics might not do it any justice so I guess we'll all have to see for ourselves in person. I just don't agree with the styling, that's all. This doesn't mean the next guy won't, but styling is number one on my list when choosing what vehicles I buy. Price comes second.

We all know the new speed3 is just around the corner, but there's really nothing special about it. Mazda hasn't made any real improvements to it over the current gen, only minor tweaks, new interior, and new sheet metal. No big HP/TQ gains like everyone wanted. So why would I trade-in my first gen for one? It would be pointless. The only thing I would be getting out of the deal is different styling. IMHO, the new speed3 it isn't any better. It's a tad bit heavier and has a tad less HP. I can't remember the specs on TQ. I would suggest to anyone with a current speed3 thinking of a trade-in to consider this, what would you really gain? Someone that doesn't have a speed3 should get one.

Again, I won't be getting one or a 2010 3 but anyone wanting one should go out and treat themselves to a new car. Go for it, I don't think it's a bad car even though I haven't done a full review of it myself. The one thing I am looking forward to, is to see how the new speed3 and 2010 3 fairs up against it's competition. I can't wait to see all the reviews and comparisons in C/D, Road & Track, and Motortrend. The only thing I can do is just sit back and cheer Mazda on.

[Akaveli]

I think Mazda dropped the ball in the performance area for the new 3s. Yea 168hp is a nice SMALL bump in hp when you compare it to previous years but overall it isn't much. When I compare it to the 04-06 2.3l 3s, their stock hp is 160. The new 2.5l is 168 plus they added a 6speed tranny. A gain of 8hp and plus additional gear added to the tranny?! What for?! Unless it was geared towards making the car more fuel efficient. Another thing I notice is that the newer models are much heavier then the first gens. Almost close to 200lbs heavier. Performance wises it doesn't seem worth it. I guess for new 3 owners this might be attractive to them but for previous 3 owners who might be interested in performance I don't think its worth it.

[xtrememps]

I didn't have time to read through the whole thread but I just wanted to mention while I do agree about the cupholders (same as the old 3 basically) I guess that's why they include cupholders in the doors.

[Woodie36]

And I thought My wife and I were the only ones that would deem the '10 the "Happy Car''!
Pushed us right to the '09 GT3 and a GT6. no speed, just zoom freakin' zoom!

[xtrememps]

dude, seriously, just because YOU like it doesnt mean that those of us who DONT like it shouldnt voice our opinion nor is it any less valid than yours.

Just stop.

Actually it's just old hearing the same thing about the smile over and over. Actually, the rear end comment was interesting because myself and most people actually have positive things to say about that part.

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion though. Just seems some are being a bit overly critical?

[Rockin03mp5]

I love the dual exhaust. I like symmetry, and i wouldnt have noticed the cup holder problem if my wife wasnt carrying around a water bottle. I normally dont eat or drink in my car. My car is for driving. I have tunes, but who doesnt need some metal to get them going Zoom Zoom!

[Antonio DiMarco]

Actually it's just old hearing the same thing about the smile over and over. Actually, the rear end comment was interesting because myself and most people actually have positive things to say about that part.

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion though. Just seems some are being a bit overly critical?

I think it's the way people are expressing themselves. There's a difference between saying "I don't care for the new styling" and "Mazda F&%$ up big time" or "The new 3 is a disaster"

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but there's a good way to say something and a bad way. Some of you are just vulgar and completely lacking perspective.

[Antoine]

I really dig the look of those pchops, P2K...I think the new front-end looks much better without the chrome detailing...Now that I've seen those pchops...I'm really interested in seeing how people visually mod the new 3....I definitely think it will take time for most people (myself included) to get used to the new design (should help keep it fresh) but I believe it will happen and I hope the new 3 will be a success for Mazda.

[xtrememps]

I think it's the way people are expressing themselves. There's a difference between saying "I don't care for the new styling" and "Mazda F&%$ up big time" or "The new 3 is a disaster"

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but there's a good way to say something and a bad way. Some of you are just vulgar and completely lacking perspective.

I agree 100%.

[wtf lol]

i dunno if anybody's seen one in real life yet, but i sure as heck did! it was on the lot at a Slidell, Louisiana mazda dealership. it's hot like sex:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/illninophanatik/2010Mazda3-front.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/illninophanatik/2010Mazda3-rear.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/illninophanatik/2010Mazda3-taillight.jpg

-r

[Captain KRM P5]

seen one and drove one, six speed manual. its a nice car but i'm happier with the 04-09 design.

[Akaveli]

seen one and drove one, six speed manual. its a nice car but i'm happier with the 04-09 design.

I'd have to agree.

[Captain KRM P5]

i will say the one thing i really liked was the transmission. like really really liked it. shifting was absolute butter compared to the other mazda manuals i have driven.

[judman13]

FYI there are a few threads already talking about this.

I don't dislike the new front end, but i prefer the older styles.
Other then that I can't wait to see what companies do by the way of body kits.

[warwick5s]

I test drove a black & tan 2010 GT sedan with tech package last week, and was completely sold. I'm waiting to see what the government works out with regards to sales tax deductions [passed today] and cash-for-clunkers (although I think my wife's 99 protege gets the same gas mileage as the 2010 :( and won't be eligible) but I'm probably going to go down this week and make my local dealer grab one of the two white/black 5-door GT/Tech 6spds in my region.


Here's why:

1) The smile really isn't anything to get worked up over. It's a little polarizing, but I kind of dig it. I think I'm going to get it in white just to force the issue. :)

2) The interior is on an entirely different level from anything in the class. The subtle LED touches are beyond cool. The fit and finish is fantastic. The seats are very comfortable and the leather is high quality. I'm a dork and I'm probably a slightly different market than the majority of people here, but I love all the fancy electronic touches like the keyless start and bluetooth. Yes, the center stack is fussy, but the controls on the steering wheels should mitigate that. I *love* the nav. It's visually appealing, it's easy to use, it's in a great spot, and it's NOT TOUCHSCREEN. Do people really like those gigantic nav systems that replace the radio and require you to look down to see? And touchscreen systems are pretty worthless when you live in a climate that requires gloves on occasion.

3) It's a *fantastic* deal for all the stuff you get, compared to other vehicles in its class. That $1200 tech package is one of the best deals in the new car business, in my opinion. (Although it requires the moonroof / bose package, which at $1400 is kind of a ripoff.)

4) It drives great. I drove an 09 a few months ago, and my normal ride is a P5. The 6spd is crisp, the brakes are nice, it's quiet, it's stable, and it handles very well - not as light on its feet as my P5, but more planted.

It's honestly the car I've been dreaming about for the last five years - BMW features and driving feel, hatchback practicality, Japanese reliability and efficiency. I don't think the 09's even come close, but I'm coming from a P5 and have no stake in how cool the previous gen are perceived to be.

[Rockin03mp5]

yeah, the p5's are a harsher ride.

[323]

so this is where the protege lovin journey ends for me. 3, 323, protege, familia, etc.... all the same. love the bf, bg, bj and the bk chassis. not diggin the new 3's. just my personal opinions :)

[TheLongshot]

Also, dig the wheels on those shops. And I love that gold color. I do wish there were more color options. I like bright colors for my small cars so you can actually see them. (never mind my black p5 ;))

One of my wife's biggest annoyances are the lack of bright colors in cars. Coming from a bright green Toyota Tercel, she was frustrated that the best she could do was Copper Red.

BTW, we are a new owner of an '09 3 Touring HB in Copper Red. Unlike some here I'm not really turned off by the '10, but I still really like the previous body style and it comes in a much cheaper price point, so it is a no brainer for me. Also, I don't like being the guinea pig for working out problems in a new model. I probably wouldn't go into a new model for a couple of years as they worked out the bugs.

[AJ33]

Not sure about the new front.

[Rockin03mp5]

nobody is

but then again i wasnt a fan of the 3's front at all.

still love the p5 look!

if only the p5 had the 3's drivetrain

[Donas64]

nobody is

but then again i wasnt a fan of the 3's front at all.

still love the p5 look!

if only the p5 had the 3's drivetrain

Same here. Some say the P5 looks dated. I still get people asking me if my car is a 2007 or 2008 model. Good looks never go out of style.

[AtenzaNY62]

mazda fails with the new 3 design. the interior looks good though. cant wait for autoexe to fix that uglyyyy grille with a bodykit.

[TRDMS3]

Congrats on now having ur own little 2010 3 forum section new mazds owners. I now see the new shiny little grins circling around and lighting up my city both hatches and sedans. Many people who stated before it looks better in darker colours I couldn't agree with myself more. Otherwise good on happy Mazda for trying something different this time but they sure did make me love my old generation even more.

[Lord_Zath]

nobody is

but then again i wasnt a fan of the 3's front at all.

still love the p5 look!

if only the p5 had the 3's drivetrain

Same here - I always disliked the 04-09 look. Took me till last year to finally accept it as "sexy" :). So it's easy for me to make the jump to the 10.

[pcpower]

good review. what do u think, should I go for the 2010 mazda3 hatchback, or the 2010 MS3? hmmmmmmmmmm......

I am looking for a fun car, smaller than an avg sedan, comfortable interior, and stick shift.

hmmm.......

[Rockin03mp5]

durrrrr. speeeeeed!

[speed1585]

i think the problem is, is the change was not gradual and it is extreme. I think in a matter of a year or 2 the changes of this model will not seem so agressive. I agree that the front grill is a lot wilder then normal but if I wanted something conservative in looks I would not consider a mazda at all.

the way I see it is Mazda is trying to push the envelope in some regards and the simple fact there is this much debate going on means mazda=wins.

hate it or love it, your all talking about it.

[Antonio DiMarco]

i think the problem is, is the change was not gradual and it is extreme. I think in a matter of a year or 2 the changes of this model will not seem so agressive. I agree that the front grill is a lot wilder then normal but if I wanted something conservative in looks I would not consider a mazda at all.

the way I see it is Mazda is trying to push the envelope in some regards and the simple fact there is this much debate going on means mazda=wins.

hate it or love it, your all talking about it.

You're right.

[P2K]

Same here - I always disliked the 04-09 look. Took me till last year to finally accept it as "sexy" :). So it's easy for me to make the jump to the 10.
I've always disliked the 04-09 too, until a friend convinced me to get a MS3. That was wierd to me because he drives a bugeye WRX and a Subaru enthusiast until he dies.

[PCspeed3]

The interior is nice, there is more buttons on that steering wheel than in my whole car. Your supposed to redline a new car for engine break in. :thumbsup:

[cjre1]

The interior is nice, there is more buttons on that steering wheel than in my whole car. Your supposed to redline a new car for engine break in. :thumbsup:

Can someone please explain; why you need to redline a car while in break in. I heard that it is not good to do this? Is there anything out on the internet about this. Thanks.

[Rockin03mp5]

yeah, i heard dont redline right away. new seals and such. but it isnt as big of a deal as it used to be.

[cjre1]

I heard two diffierent stories, one that it is good to redline your car while in break in time and the other story, that it is not good to redline at all.
Will the break be better if you redline it?

[gugarci]

I don't think there's any hard evidence that one works better than the other. It's your car and your money you will need to decide for your self. I always take it easy for the first 1k miles. I try to vary my RPM's and try to keep the revs no higher than 4K. But others will tell you to drive it like you stole it. Who knows. Supposedly the engines are broken in at the factory before they are installed in your car. But since I'm the one making the payments on my car I'll play it safe.

This is one of many mysteries in life that God will revealed to you when you die.
Unfortunately you can't share it with those who stayed behind. (crazy)

[PCspeed3]

This website made me believe that running a motor hard is the proper way to break it in.

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

in short running it hard supposedly helps the piston rings seat more firmly against the cylinder wall thus creating more power and more even ring wear. Take it for what its worth tho I guess.

[gugarci]

This website made me believe that running a motor hard is the proper way to break it in.

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

in short running it hard supposedly helps the piston rings seat more firmly against the cylinder wall thus creating more power and more even ring wear. Take it for what its worth tho I guess.

I've seen that website before. I wish I had the money to buy 2 cars and try each method out. But if braking in the car harder is going to affect the reliability of the car I'm sure you will only see it at higher mileage only.

Also testing 2 cars like that would be almost impossible and would never be 100% accurate. There's no control over individually manufactured engine components or the assembly process which can also lead to some engine components failing sooner over time.

If I'd lease my car I would probably try it. But I'm older (old school) so maybe not. My conscious will probably keep telling me it's wrong. (uhm)

[Mazda3]

I've owned several brand new cars over the years of varying types. I always break them in hard. I drive them the way I'm going to drive them right of the start.

The end result is that my cars are always faster and always get better gas mileage than other people with the same car. This has been proven to many times over. Your right, it is your car, so do whats makes you sleep better at night, but I'll be the guy driving the faster car and getting the better mileage.

As far as reliability, I never have any problems with my cars, especially the Mazda's. Granted I don't keep most of my cars longer than 3-4 years so I can't tell how they were with 200k on them, but I don't plan on owning any cars with that kind of mileage, I get board to quickly and need to change things up.

[cjre1]

Very good article, but on my goosh, that is crazy I think to run it hard. I guess it works, but am a little worried to actually break in a car this way. I will think about it, when I actually buy the 2010.

[P5w3kids]

Drove a GT automatic the other day. Not a fan of the styling. Thought the engine was less refined than the 2.3, but certainly more refined than the 2.0 in the P5 (where the engine is my least favorite part of the car). Ride much smoother and quieter than a P5. But not nearly as fun, IMO, especially not with the automatic compared to a manual P5.

[Mazda3]

Drove a GT automatic the other day. Thought the engine was less refined than the 2.3, but certainly more refined than the 2.0 in the P5 (where the engine is my least favorite part of the car).

A few people keep saying this about the engine and I'm baffled by it. I owned a 2006 Mazda 3 GT for 2 years, I find the new 2.5L to be smoother, quieter, as well as more powerful.

[Rockin03mp5]

i thought the 2.5 was a great engine, but i dont know about the 2.3 much, except for my 5. But that is still different.

[cjre1]

I have driven the new 2010 and love it. The engine is much better than the 2.0, also it is quiter and smoother. I noticed that the cabin is quiter. Nice new ride.

[gugarci]

As far as reliability, I never have any problems with my cars, especially the Mazda's. Granted I don't keep most of my cars longer than 3-4 years so I can't tell how they were with 200k on them.

Bingo 3-4 year only. Maybe the engines exploded at the 80k mile mark, ;) but maybe they didn't.
I tend to keep my car a long time. My 02 WRX Wagon had 130k miles on it when I traded it for my current G35Xs. I hate making car payment. I'm older and have other bills that are more important than car payments.

[maskedSONY]

I got to sit in a 2010 3s sedan and was thoroughly impressed with the interior quality. There's some cost cutting in the doors, but its not much. The dashboard is a considerable improvement from the outgoing 3. I liked the materials, the revision of the gauge cluster to a more traditional look, and the way the nav and info screens are integrated into the dashboard. Over on other forums, many others have commented about how this looks alot better than some other automaker's designs. Some have gone so far to say it's a superior design compared to some BMWs.

I, for one, am glad to see the 3's exterior re-designed. I was a big big fan of the 3's looks after the re-fresh, but I will say that it did start to look rather stodgy. The side profile looks more interesting and the overall presence of the car has improved. In person I think the front end works just fine - and honestly I like that Mazda is taking ideas from its concept cars and daring the public to buy them. I mean, go walk over to the Acura dealership and check out their new corporate grille and tell me THAT looks better.

Some nitpicks:

- I felt the seats where a slight downgrade. The side bolsters were excellent, but I have a funny feeling that the seat cushions are a tad thinner. I currently own a 2001 ES and I LOVE the seats in the car despite the fact that their side cushions aren't really substantial. I can sit in the car for hours and not get tired, just like Recaro seats.

- The stereo and nav controls are a bit complicated, much to my chagrin - I agree with the earlier photoshop suggestions on the interior. However, they feel excellent and are positioned in just the right spot. But the climate controls seem to be in a funny spot and had a bit of wiggle to them. I'd wish Mazda would spend a few more cents to tighten them up. It could just be a sample defect.

- WHY the hell does Mazda continue to have the alternator directly above the transaxle without any special shielding at all? This was done in the Protege, the first gen 3 and now this one. It's irritating to know that a really bad puddle can just take out the alternator if you have bad luck at night or in a storm. Mazda needs to go look at how Honda locates their alternators in the Accords/CRVs. They are towards the front of the engine, almost directly behind the passenger side headlight and completely sheilded by the lower plastic coverings and the hood above.

- For those of us who have had engine mount troubles in the past, go check out the passenger side mount in the new 3. It's bleeping huge - and I hope it does a good job in insulating the car from the 2.5L engine's vibrations. (well hopefully it's better than the FS-ZE!)

I will not buy the car until I find out from other owners about two key areas: the paint quality and the air-conditioning system. Both of these were problems on the previous 3, and I want to see if Mazda did their homework or not. If not I will probably end up in a Honda.

[Antonio DiMarco]

I got to sit in a 2010 3s sedan and was thoroughly impressed with the interior quality. There's some cost cutting in the doors, but its not much. The dashboard is a considerable improvement from the outgoing 3. I liked the materials, the revision of the gauge cluster to a more traditional look, and the way the nav and info screens are integrated into the dashboard. Over on other forums, many others have commented about how this looks alot better than some other automaker's designs. Some have gone so far to say it's a superior design compared to some BMWs.

I, for one, am glad to see the 3's exterior re-designed. I was a big big fan of the 3's looks after the re-fresh, but I will say that it did start to look rather stodgy. The side profile looks more interesting and the overall presence of the car has improved. In person I think the front end works just fine - and honestly I like that Mazda is taking ideas from its concept cars and daring the public to buy them. I mean, go walk over to the Acura dealership and check out their new corporate grille and tell me THAT looks better.

Some nitpicks:

- I felt the seats where a slight downgrade. The side bolsters were excellent, but I have a funny feeling that the seat cushions are a tad thinner. I currently own a 2001 ES and I LOVE the seats in the car despite the fact that their side cushions aren't really substantial. I can sit in the car for hours and not get tired, just like Recaro seats.

- The stereo and nav controls are a bit complicated, much to my chagrin - I agree with the earlier photoshop suggestions on the interior. However, they feel excellent and are positioned in just the right spot. But the climate controls seem to be in a funny spot and had a bit of wiggle to them. I'd wish Mazda would spend a few more cents to tighten them up. It could just be a sample defect.

- WHY the hell does Mazda continue to have the alternator directly above the transaxle without any special shielding at all? This was done in the Protege, the first gen 3 and now this one. It's irritating to know that a really bad puddle can just take out the alternator if you have bad luck at night or in a storm. Mazda needs to go look at how Honda locates their alternators in the Accords/CRVs. They are towards the front of the engine, almost directly behind the passenger side headlight and completely sheilded by the lower plastic coverings and the hood above.

- For those of us who have had engine mount troubles in the past, go check out the passenger side mount in the new 3. It's bleeping huge - and I hope it does a good job in insulating the car from the 2.5L engine's vibrations. (well hopefully it's better than the FS-ZE!)

I will not buy the car until I find out from other owners about two key areas: the paint quality and the air-conditioning system. Both of these were problems on the previous 3, and I want to see if Mazda did their homework or not. If not I will probably end up in a Honda.

I've had an 04 Mz3 and a 08 MS3 and I've never felt either AC was inadequate and we get some pretty humid hot winters in the NE. I will say that some people don't realize they need to set the system to recirc and allow the car to cool before pulling in outside air. SOme cars do this automatically.

I think the AC complaints are more about user error than any design flaw.

I will say that the AC on my 95 and 2001 Protege was very ineffective on even moderately (~80 degree) days, while the 3's have kept up with ~100 degree days with moderate to high humidity.

The alternator thing is a good point, though depending on how Mazda designed the undercarriage. The car may naturally push the water away from the sensitive points unless the car was seriously submerged. For instance I drove a Toyota RAV4 that appeared to push the water from the underbody in a way that bypassed the sensitive bits of the engine compartment. And that SUV sits a littel higher off the ground.

[cjre1]

I've had an 04 Mz3 and a 08 MS3 and I've never felt either AC was inadequate and we get some pretty humid hot winters in the NE. I will say that some people don't realize they need to set the system to recirc and allow the car to cool before pulling in outside air. SOme cars do this automatically.

I think the AC complaints are more about user error than any design flaw.

I will say that the AC on my 95 and 2001 Protege was very ineffective on even moderately (~80 degree) days, while the 3's have kept up with ~100 degree days with moderate to high humidity.

The alternator thing is a good point, though depending on how Mazda designed the undercarriage. The car may naturally push the water away from the sensitive points unless the car was seriously submerged. For instance I drove a Toyota RAV4 that appeared to push the water from the underbody in a way that bypassed the sensitive bits of the engine compartment. And that SUV sits a littel higher off the ground.


Guys, all valid points, however, over all the car is awesome. The A/C sure is much different than the other years. Look at the compressor it is a litte larger. The engine mounts are completely redesigned and are larger. There have been so many improvements that I really like. Much better carpet to name a few.

[Lord_Zath]

my biggest complaint with the car is color choices. No good blue! I'd really like to see a blue/tan option. With the current colors, I'd have to choose between copper red/tan or silver/black...

[cjre1]

my biggest complaint with the car is color choices. No good blue! I'd really like to see a blue/tan option. With the current colors, I'd have to choose between copper red/tan or silver/black...

Next year, I bet.

[ottawaP5]

I think the interior is great for an economy car, I don't see what all the complaining is about. You can't expect an Audi A4 interior for the price that these cars cost. It's not like the Corolla or Matrix interior is any better.

[Lord_Zath]

New year, I bet.

Yeah, that's my hope!

[Rockin03mp5]

Mazda likes to add and delete colors every year.

And good point about the alternator. It is in a stupid spot on my p5, and I'm surprised it is there on the 3, let alone the new 3. With all of the electronics, and cheap wiring on all cars nowadays, I expect the battery to last 4 years, then the alternator 5. That is about what happened with my p5. It was probably the most expensive replacement, cause i wasnt going to do that one myself.

[maskedSONY]

I guess we need time to elapse before anybody can comment on paint quality.

I've seen a couple of them on the road and they get me salivating. I'm curious if real world EPA estimates can be improved upon with the 2.5L model. Our CRV is rated at 27MPG but I can pull 30MPG at 70MPH with no problems. And that's with a 2.4L engine.

[maskedSONY]

The alternator thing is a good point, though depending on how Mazda designed the undercarriage. The car may naturally push the water away from the sensitive points unless the car was seriously submerged. For instance I drove a Toyota RAV4 that appeared to push the water from the underbody in a way that bypassed the sensitive bits of the engine compartment. And that SUV sits a littel higher off the ground.

Well its right up against the side of the engine well. If alot of water gets in there, then the water will creep up the wall and you'll have a lightshow in the engine bay.

[speed1585]

I understand ppls view about the alternator. they have placed it in that spot for some time, but how many times have you read about someone's crapping out after a deep puddle?? Its a valid concern and a potential problem but obvioulsy not enough to change the design if it has not been a problem for customers.

[Antonio DiMarco]

Man I'll tell ya anyone who puts down this car without driving it doesn't know what they're talking about.

The new 2010 is in another league compared to our 04-08 models. Someone else said that it made our cars feel like tins cans and this is pretty close to true. It was like I was driving a BMW 3 series. Some quick observations:

- I tested a Gray Mica Version and the nose really works with dark colors. Trust me when I say pictures do not do this new design justice. You really need to see this car in person and in motion to appreciate the new look and the wheels. The dealer had to go pull it from a back lot and I was getting emotional just watching it pull up to me. Very European, Very unique and cohesive. Anyone who say's that the 2010 3 and the Matrix/Vibe are twins separated at birth HAS NO IDEA what their talking about. This car is lean and athletic compred to those Toyota creame puffs.

- The backside isn't as attractive as the nose but still the body works well. Compared to 04-09 it looks more athletic and sporty. The 04-09, especially the hatches look like they need a small diet.

- The trunk opening is small. Feels smaller that my 04 Mz3 did. But it maybe an optical illusion. Hey and there is an automatic trunk release on the key fob!

- Interior is outstanding. The controls on the steering are perfect and the bluetooth paired seamlessly with my iPhone. I called myself at work to get an idea of how good voice quality would be via handsfree and it was fantastic. No echo, just natural intelligible speech. The only annoying thing was the trip computer and numerous negative beeps that are meant to tell you your doing something wrong. And I was tryign to use it intuitively. Me thinks the User Interface designers could have spent more time working out the workflow of the Trip computer interface.

- Bose system sounded OK. Centerpoint didn't do a good job with my music. Pop with a little reverb in the vocal sounded weird. I believe CP is more for Classical playback. So I turned off CP. The system did not have enough volume gain. I don't listen to loud music but I can comfortably adjust the volume in my 08 speed and feel like I can push it louded if I want. Frequency response wise it does sound better top to bottom. Bass sounds tighter. The Bose system in my 08 sound a bit flabby in the bass by comparison

- I've heard people say the glovebox wasn't as big as the 04-09. The 2010 still has a huge area behind the glove box door but the pocket in the door is a little smaller. But still very usable.

- Performance wise this car is in another league. My dealer let me take it out on my own so I had enough time to really test it and experience the drive. The 2.5 engine winds with turbine-like smoothness and a really infectious "wine" at around 4-5K that reminds me of a BMW. Really refined. I had the 04 2.3 and have to say the 2.5 is a huge improvement in refinement. The 2.3 got a bit loud and rough at the top end. The 2.5 is turbine-smooth all the way to redline.

- Chassis dynamics are incredibly well-controlled- maybe a little on the soft side. The Yoko Avids are probably the only weakspot. Very smooth ride with much better isolation over bumps and potholes. Like i said it feels like a much more expensive car. The 6 speed shifts with hte same snick-snick like precision as my Mz5's 5 speed.

- The interior is so amazing that it makes the 04-09 design seem dated and a bit plasticky. It honestly feels like a Acura TSX or similiar in quaility. The only negative that I "heard" was a rather loud power seat motor. Still the memory seat is REALLY nice in a car at this price point. The seats do feel a little lighter weight than the 04-09. But nothing major. My 6'3" frame had no problem getting comfortable and feeling secure.

- I was sold. I may even be willing to trade off some of the Speeds power for the overall improvements made in the 2010. It's a perfect example of how power isn't everything. And how Mazda has continued to hit the nail on the head when it comes to overall packaging and drivers dynamics.

This baby is going to be a hit- at least in the darker colors.

Mark my word the Speed version is going to be a ridiculous bargain if it has the same chassis dynamics with more power and that glorious 6 speed. Honestly the new 6 speed makes our 07-09 MS3 tranny seem clunky and imprecise.

I've said it before but Mazda's new designs make you wonder why anyone would shell out more money for one of those German makes.

To love this car is to drive it and watch it come at you. I was seriously thinking about trading my speed in for a lease on teh 2010 (would lower my payment by $150/month. Not sure it makes fiscal sense though.

[Lord_Zath]

Glad to hear you liked it. I was/am very tempted to get one as well, except I want a nice dark blue, dammit!

Interesting note about the stereo - I didn't listen to it much when I checked it out, but didn't really encounter the same problem. Seemed fine to me.

Darker colors definitely work with this car - especially the gray, copper red, and even the silver.

I agree on the interface - it's incredibly tough to navigate through it. I'm used to hitting the arrow buttons instead of the stupid info button. I'd get used to it in time, though.

Glovebox, really? My p5's glovebox looks TINY compared to the 2010.

[Rockin03mp5]

It seems that all of the dashes are moving more into the cabin nowadays. I think my p5 has more knee room, but less glovebox.

I'm glad to hear other 3 owners testing out the new model.

[Raymo853]

I was seriously thinking about trading my speed in for a lease on teh 2010 (would lower my payment by $150/month. Not sure it makes fiscal sense though.

Please please please do not go for a lease. A lease unless you can dedect it as a business expense makes absolutely no financially sense for anyone ever regardlesss of what the thieving dealers and bankers tell you.

[Antonio DiMarco]

Please please please do not go for a lease. A lease unless you can dedect it as a business expense makes absolutely no financially sense for anyone ever regardlesss of what the thieving dealers and bankers tell you.

Yeah it was a moment of weakness. I snapped ouit of it. Thanks :-)

Maybe in a couple of years.

[TRDMS3]

thx for a great write up antonio, according to you Mazda made a step in the right direction I will have to see that for myself however.

[maskedSONY]

@ Antonio above -

I actually feel the same way about the interior. It DID feel like they were trying to mimic Acura or BMW. Even the way the doors sounded when they closed - it was nothing like the 3 or my Protege. I just think the doors looked a bit bare for some reason and the seat cushions could have used a little more support. Something didn't feel right about them - they are the right size but they are a bit thin feeling. I could be wrong though.

I will strongly consider a 3s hatch in 2011, when I'm due to rid myself of the Protege. I'm tired of fixing endlinks, rusted bolts and other nonsense. I'm hoping that Mazda has addressed the issues I have with the robustness of the car over the long term. Not to say that Mazdas aren't unreliable or anything, but compared to Hondas, little things go on them and their paint has been an issue with the 3.

[Antonio DiMarco]

@ Antonio above -

I actually feel the same way about the interior. It DID feel like they were trying to mimic Acura or BMW. Even the way the doors sounded when they closed - it was nothing like the 3 or my Protege. I just think the doors looked a bit bare for some reason and the seat cushions could have used a little more support. Something didn't feel right about them - they are the right size but they are a bit thin feeling. I could be wrong though.

I will strongly consider a 3s hatch in 2011, when I'm due to rid myself of the Protege. I'm tired of fixing endlinks, rusted bolts and other nonsense. I'm hoping that Mazda has addressed the issues I have with the robustness of the car over the long term. Not to say that Mazdas aren't unreliable or anything, but compared to Hondas, little things go on them and their paint has been an issue with the 3.

I know what your saying about the paint. It annoys me too. Not sure how good th 2010 paint is. Sure shines nice. :-) I also had a 1995 and 2001 Protege and the quality of the interiors were passable, but nothing great. Parts quality was also mediocre in some cases. my 1995 dash lighting and A/C compressor went as did one of the window regulators. Still mechanically the car lasted well over 150,000 miles.

You're right about the 2010 doors. I forgot to add that when I looked over at the lower part of the door under the handle it seemed a bit bare and lacking in design cues. I noted the same observation you had regarding the seats. Though they still functioned perfectly but can't hold a canlde to the MS3 seats, which are fantastic.

Still I think at the price there has to be some cutting. What shows is how good the designers are. They know enough about how people interact with their car to know where to put the money. For instance how many people actually touch their lower door area all that often? You may only look at it when you exit the car.

If I had crawled around on the floor and footwell area I probably would have seen more lower quality plastics. The interior of the glovebox and storage area in the center console (like the 04-09 3) didn't have textured plastics or extra padding.

FYI, carpet did feel like it either had more padding or was thicker. Probably contributed to the improved noise isolation.

[Rockin03mp5]

One thing, I like that Mazda still tried to "keep it real" with the new 3. Or at least just improve on the old 3, and not totally redo it, like they did with the new 6. With the new 6, Mazda tried to go mainstream. Don't get me wrong, it is a great car, but not my Mazda. Then again, I like fun, and simple. Thus, this new 3 isnt exactly my car either.

[cjre1]

Thanks for the write up. This is some good information. I am almost 100% sold on this car and love the mica gray. The white looks funny with the clown face, black is too dark and makes the car look small, red will be a cop stopper and silver has no shine to it and is plain looking. These are just my thoughts.

[maskedSONY]

One thing, I like that Mazda still tried to "keep it real" with the new 3. Or at least just improve on the old 3, and not totally redo it, like they did with the new 6. With the new 6, Mazda tried to go mainstream. Don't get me wrong, it is a great car, but not my Mazda. Then again, I like fun, and simple. Thus, this new 3 isnt exactly my car either.

Mazda wants the 6 to be more competitive in the uber-tough midsize market and I have no problems with the new 6 being the way it is. I would like it to be more fuel effecient, but that's about it. It looks great and has a much more inviting interior than before.

I know what your saying about the paint. It annoys me too. Not sure how good th 2010 paint is. Sure shines nice. :-) I also had a 1995 and 2001 Protege and the quality of the interiors were passable, but nothing great. Parts quality was also mediocre in some cases. my 1995 dash lighting and A/C compressor went as did one of the window regulators. Still mechanically the car lasted well over 150,000 miles.

You're right about the 2010 doors. I forgot to add that when I looked over at the lower part of the door under the handle it seemed a bit bare and lacking in design cues. I noted the same observation you had regarding the seats. Though they still functioned perfectly but can't hold a canlde to the MS3 seats, which are fantastic.

Still I think at the price there has to be some cutting. What shows is how good the designers are. They know enough about how people interact with their car to know where to put the money. For instance how many people actually touch their lower door area all that often? You may only look at it when you exit the car.

If I had crawled around on the floor and footwell area I probably would have seen more lower quality plastics. The interior of the glovebox and storage area in the center console (like the 04-09 3) didn't have textured plastics or extra padding.

As a 2001 Protege owner, I love the materials used in the dashboard. I mean they are clearly budget 1990s era materials but Mazda choose the right supplier for them. The low dash design makes for great visibility and the controls are right where I want them to be. Also, with my 2001 Protege, I can see the corners of the front end clearly. You can't do that with many cars these days!

There are some minor quibbles with the interior which you've pointed out that I'm well, overlooking to say the least. If this was a $40K Audi I would be ranting. But it's not, and for what you pay, you're getting something pretty damn good.

[Rockin03mp5]

very true

people want more and more for less though.

[cjre1]

Always remember you get what you pay for..... don't be too happy to pay less for something so good.

[GoFast]

Always remember you get what you pay for..... don't be too happy to pay less for something so good.

i wouldnt always remember that.......

[cjre1]

i wouldnt always remember that.......

I think it is a good saying. How about this, You get what you pay for.....

[GoFast]

not all the time...

I don't like this saying because there is a difference in value and price. One doesn't always go hand in hand with the other

[cjre1]

not all the time...

I don't like this saying because there is a difference in value and price. One doesn't always go hand in hand with the other

True, of course it depends on the product and maker. I always keep that in mind, however typically, the saying is dead on, I.E. shoes from Payless vs shoes from Macy's.

[Rockin03mp5]

at least with mazda, you get a lot for your money.

there will always be some cheap components, but never as bad as a chrystler.

[P2K]

at least with mazda, you get a lot for your money.

there will always be some cheap components, but never as bad as a chrystler.
Exactly. I had a really bad experience with Chrysler and they turned me off from ever buying domestic again. That's when I went straight to Mazda and looked at a Protege after an advertisement I heard on the radio. Two days later I drove it off the lot. Been in a Mazda ever since.

I commend Mazda for making the new 3 a great value at such a great price. I think the real reason I'm not jumping all over it is because I'm not in the market for a new car. Maybe if I still had my 2000 Protege, I'd be all over these.

[maskedSONY]

Anybody live in areas with horrible roads? Are you guys concerned about the 17-inchers getting damaged on a bad pothole or road surface? It just seems like a bit too much wheel to me for some reason.

[Rockin03mp5]

um... you should see some of the roads around here! they suck!

and my p5 has 50 series tires, on 16s, and my 5 also has 50 series tires, on 17 inch rims. no problems so far. there are a lot of speed 3s in this area, and they have 18's with even smaller tires. just need to be carefull of coarse. if you are that concerned.. get a toyota!

[speed1585]

I dont like the saying either, though it is true 99% of the time..

For example you get what you pay for.. Well what if you order something for your car, already paid for it, but dont get this item... then the saying is false

But I do agree that buying a mazda is a great value, I feel the same way about hyundai. i mean my 12k elantra had heated side mirrors stock...

But in the case of lets say honda, though I dont like honda much you do get alot for the money, but it ends up being a lot of money so where is the value?

[maskedSONY]

Ok I finally got to test drive one.

The engine and drivetrain feel much more isolated than before. The pull of the 2.5L is similar in feel to the 2.3L, but I sense there's a bit more vibration there due to the extra displacement. The engine pulled very nicely when going onto the highway, with no qualms as it reached the upper revs. Unfortunately, I did not get to drive a manual transmission, but the automatic felt great, and I think its something I could live with. It's still reasonably geared.

The steering wheel felt great - I was surprised by the car's ability to handle corners. However, the dampening has been softened and you will feel it when you are on a highway off-ramp and you need to correct for the turn. The trade off is that when you hit bumps, the car doesn't really crash through them, but does a much better job to absorb them. I for one, really really liked this about the car because my Protege just crashes through bumps and it's rather tiresome to deal with.

You can definitely feel the pork in this model, but I'm really glad its there, to be honest. The Protege feels so light on its wheels and uneven road surfaces can really bother it. The new 3, doesn't feel that way at all. It maintains its composure in a way that mimics the entry level German sedans.

As for the interior, the dashboard and the center stack controls are really really thoughtfully designed. I really like the placement of the information screen - it's right within your field of vision and is the right size. However, they could have used a different font. Something about it screams cheap to me - it might be the MS-DOS style font they use.

The seats might be the biggest qualm for me. The side bolsters are huge and very supportive, but I think this might be too much. My legs were forced into the center of the seat, making for a rather odd driving position. And the cushion of the seat doesn't feel very supportive. I'm not sure this will hold up on long drives. My protege has fantastic seats despite the lack of side bolsters and I was expecting the same from this car. However, the seatbacks of the new 3 are fantastic! MY back felt really good!

I'm not a fan of the dimmer and odometer switches in the car. They could have spent a couple of extra pennies to refine their feel. Additionally, the dimmer switch doesn't exactly give you a very workable range for nighttime driving. It's either too dim during the night, or at full-blast during the daytime. The design of the gauge cluster looks great though.

For the most part, the rest of the car felt like the old 3. I enjoyed being in it, but I'd like to see Mazda correct some of these minor quibbles. If they do that in the next couple of years I'm sold. The car has the refinement I've been waiting for in my next ride.

Oh and one last thing - I checked out the Mazda5 to see where the alternator is: It's located closer to the front, and is protected by the lower plastic shielding. Why Mazda chose to do this with the 5 and not the 3 is seriously beyond me.

[Rockin03mp5]

ha... i never even checked the alternator placement on my 5. funny huh.

and nice write up!

i do hate how my pro cannot cushion bumps, but the lightness on its feet is a plus to me.

[cjre1]

I thought that the alternator is covered and is still located at the bottom, but is now protected. I will need to check this out.

[speed1585]

I still dont understand the problem with the alternator. this conversation is almost like a slow news week @ fox or something

[maskedSONY]

I still dont understand the problem with the alternator. this conversation is almost like a slow news week @ fox or something

It's just unshielded from the bottom. If you put the car on the lift and look above the passenger side driveshaft it's practically right above it. Basically my complaint is that if you hit a puddle at night (a large one) the alternator will get doused and you will have a giant mazda paperweight..

Go do that with any Honda that has the KA24 engine in it, and you won't be able to see it. Honda's gotten smart about where to locate the alternator.

[my3needsaname]

It's just unshielded from the bottom. If you put the car on the lift and look above the passenger side driveshaft it's practically right above it. Basically my complaint is that if you hit a puddle at night (a large one) the alternator will get doused and you will have a giant mazda paperweight..

Go do that with any Honda that has the KA24 engine in it, and you won't be able to see it. Honda's gotten smart about where to locate the alternator.
Woah, woah, woah...I've hit a few big puddles but on the right side of the car....so you're telling me that if I do it with the left side my car will basically be scrapped??? Is Mazda serious about selling a car like that? Cause that's absolute shit if they think that's safe...

[maskedSONY]

Woah, woah, woah...I've hit a few big puddles but on the right side of the car....so you're telling me that if I do it with the left side my car will basically be scrapped??? Is Mazda serious about selling a car like that? Cause that's absolute shit if they think that's safe...


I'm going to use passenger side and driver's side to describe the car. The alternator is on the passenger side of the car, or the starboard side.

You completely misread what I wrote. I said that if you hit a big enough puddle, the water will eventually hit the alternator. If just the left wheel hits the puddle, you're fine, because that side of all the Proteges/Mazda3s are protected. Its the right side, that I'm saying, needs more.

[Rockin03mp5]

basically, the alternator is more exposed to the elements, and more of a bitch to get to if needed.

[my3needsaname]

I'm going to use passenger side and driver's side to describe the car. The alternator is on the passenger side of the car, or the starboard side.

You completely misread what I wrote. I said that if you hit a big enough puddle, the water will eventually hit the alternator. If just the left wheel hits the puddle, you're fine, because that side of all the Proteges/Mazda3s are protected. Its the right side, that I'm saying, needs more.
Oh...great...that's the side that runs through the deeper puddles cause for some reason all the puddles are on the right side of the lane in California. Every once in a while I like to make a big splash too. :D

I get what you're saying, for example if the alternator is 9 inches above the street and if I ran through 9 inches of water or a good amount got up in there from a shallow puddle it would be a really bad problem?
(I actually meant passenger's side, not driver's, my bad, sorry)

[cjre1]

Guys, isnt there a way to get a shield and put it on yourself? Is there a good reason why Mazda left this open? Was it for heat build up? Does anyone know. Thanks.

[speed1585]

look i understand the concerns. I jsut see it as a non issue for myself. dont every hear ppl having to replace them caluse of puddles.

[Lord_Zath]

yeh if it was such a big deal, why hasn't this been a problem with the current gen 3's?

[my3needsaname]

look i understand the concerns. I jsut see it as a non issue for myself. dont every hear ppl having to replace them caluse of puddles.
True...very true...

[speed1585]

wow I didnt notice how bad my spelling was in that last post. damn tiredness.

Once again I am not arguing that its not a valid concern, just feel its a non issue as I dont drive through deep ass puddles on a regular basis.

To complain about placment of things i could bring up other stuff. for instance in my MSP. why would you put an ashtray right behind your cup holders. its not an issue if I am the only one with a beverage. but if me and the wife or a friend have one then I cant use my ashtray. Dont like the placement of the ashtray in the 3 either. but then again the last chevy i drove had no ashtray what so ever. and I know, I should not smoke inside the car, but its my car so I will :)

[my3needsaname]

(rotfl) that was kinda funny.
I only see it as a concern because the roads here aren't perfectly drained so they get big ol puddles in the winter.

[speed1585]

yeah they can get real bad in fairfield too...and in yuba city where im at right now but it hasent been a problem thus far...if for some reason now I eff up my alternator I am coming back to this thread to bash mazda for faulty design lol

[cjre1]

After reading these posts, I guess this car is meant to be driven in Southern California, were it rains only 12 days a year and never that bad, especially if they have the alternator not sheilded.

[cjre1]

Has anyone every done this, before you buy the car, you ask the dealer to put a cover under the alternator?

[Mazda3]

I never had any problems with this on our Protege or Mazda 3. I've never heard of anyone having a problem because of this and really this is the first time I've seen anyone make a big deal about it. I think this so called problem is being blown way out of proportion.

[my3needsaname]

yeah they can get real bad in fairfield too...and in yuba city where im at right now but it hasent been a problem thus far...if for some reason now I eff up my alternator I am coming back to this thread to bash mazda for faulty design lol
Hahaha! Definitely, me too.

[Antonio DiMarco]

I never had any problems with this on our Protege or Mazda 3. I've never heard of anyone having a problem because of this and really this is the first time I've seen anyone make a big deal about it. I think this so called problem is being blown way out of proportion.

Mazda would have fixed it. Blwing up an alternator is pretty serious. And I know we would have heard about it.

[Rockin03mp5]

I never had any problems with this on our Protege or Mazda 3. I've never heard of anyone having a problem because of this and really this is the first time I've seen anyone make a big deal about it. I think this so called problem is being blown way out of proportion.

i agree. although my protege has needed a new alternator already.

i think we should move on. i am more annoyed with the fact that it is hard to get to, not that it is in a vulnerable spot.

[cjre1]

I just looked closely at your pics above. How sad that you keep your Mazda in that shape, with ice and dirt all over it. Respect the Mazda man!!! JK. LOL :)

[Rockin03mp5]

my p5 is parked outside at work. nothing i can do about that. it gets a garage at home. i try to wash it when i can, but in winter, it is pretty much pointless. will look like that the next day anyways.

the 5 looked like that after a 1800 mile trip. went through lots of slush. it was actually washed half way, and this is what it looked like coming home.

they look much better now.

[cjre1]

my p5 is parked outside at work. nothing i can do about that. it gets a garage at home. i try to wash it when i can, but in winter, it is pretty much pointless. will look like that the next day anyways.

the 5 looked like that after a 1800 mile trip. went through lots of slush. it was actually washed half way, and this is what it looked like coming home.

they look much better now.


Sweet, that's what your babies should look like, nice and clean.

[mountjonas]

i finally saw a 2010 3 5-door this weekend on the road. it was black and it looked super nice. some of the pics kinda make it look matrix-ish in size (i knew it wasn't that big, but it looked like it), but in real life, it looks fantastic. i wasn't a big fan of the 04-09 5 door, but this one looks great.

[my3needsaname]

Yea I've been seeing a lot of them on the road, the guy down the street from me has a new one. I still don't like them, hoping I never will but they could grow on me. Who knows!

[cjre1]

Yea I've been seeing a lot of them on the road, the guy down the street from me has a new one. I still don't like them, hoping I never will but they could grow on me. Who knows!

I just spoke to 3 people who own a new one and they all love them. They said that it has grown on them and they love the features and power.

[my3needsaname]

I'd enjoy the extra power but the features are basically the same. I mean it has that same 3'' BOSE sub in it and the old nav system is bigger and to me better, but I'm starting to rant so I'll stop before I get into trouble.

I mean the main thing I absolutely hate and will probably keep me scolding them forever is that Mazda took our full rear door windows that went all the way down and put a window splitter there so the open-able window isn't as good or as big and then you have this terrible looking black bar going through your clear windows. It pains me!

[Lord_Zath]

dude you need to sit in it and test drive it. you'll understand the difference immediately.

[Rockin03mp5]

saw my first one driving on the roads today. it was a 2.5 sedan in silver. very slick looking i must say.

it was in detroit. he was coming up on me fast and we took a ramp from one interstate to another. it was a large, long loop with a lane for each of us. he was catching up, but i wasnt braking. i took it at about 55 on the outside lane. he was on the inside and had to slow down. i accelerated through the corner leaving him behind. then i settled and let him pass. i think he was a little suprised. good ol' p5. tires never made a noise.

[cjre1]

saw my first one driving on the roads today. it was a 2.5 sedan in silver. very slick looking i must say.

it was in detroit. he was coming up on me fast and we took a ramp from one interstate to another. it was a large, long loop with a lane for each of us. he was catching up, but i wasnt braking. i took it at about 55 on the outside lane. he was on the inside and had to slow down. i accelerated through the corner leaving him behind. then i settled and let him pass. i think he was a little suprised. good ol' p5. tires never made a noise.

WOW, that must of been fun.... (rlaugh)

[Lord_Zath]

lol strut bar ftw!

[my3needsaname]

dude you need to sit in it and test drive it. you'll understand the difference immediately.
I have sat in one and messed around with it and I'm just not a fan of the Toyota Matrix feel to the doors, the dashboard where the gauges feel way out there and you're about to get punched in the stomach by the dash, the smaller rear seat legroom, the contortion you have to do to open the hatch now, the seats are quite nice and much tighter wrapped than the "last" generation, teh cruise control is too far away for my thumbs and the steering wheel is too crowded but the buttons aren't integrated quite that well, the dashboard makes it feel kinda crunched up front, the rear windows and something about the rear seats makes it feel cramped, and the trunk seems smaller alogn with all the interior dimensions.

That being said I do have a lot of positive things to say about the car too. My view is that when you hop in and automatically feel it's not designed well then you should not buy it. It's not right for me and I express my opinion as such but for others it is better and I like that Mazda has people who do like it but my first and only Mazda experience hasn't yielded such good results so I only have bad things to say about Mazda for the most part. Which is quite disappointing since I had heard very good things about them before, while, and after I bought my car. But I still have good things to say about them no matter how my experience has turned out.

[Mazda3]

Rear legroom is identical to 2009 model and the trunk is 10 Litres bigger than 2009 model.

[my3needsaname]

Rear legroom is identical to 2009 model and the trunk is 10 Litres bigger than 2009 model.
I know but you pop open the back and all that and it just seems smaller, something about the shape of the opening and such.

[Mazda3]

I know but you pop open the back and all that and it just seems smaller, something about the shape of the opening and such.

I actually thought it looked like more than 10L bigger the first time I looked.

[my3needsaname]

Eh, idk, to me it seemed smaller and I went in thinking it would be much bigger. Even compared to my car it just looked smaller...of course the salesguy said it was bigger but I don't care what they say.

[Mazda3]

Eh, idk, to me it seemed smaller and I went in thinking it would be much bigger. Even compared to my car it just looked smaller...of course the salesguy said it was bigger but I don't care what they say.

I was expecting it to be the same size, I thought it looked like it might be a couple of inches bigger, but nothing life changing.

[my3needsaname]

I wasn't expecting much increase but everyone was like "IT'S HUGE!!! (boom04)" so I expected it to be bigger than mine.

(that's what she said)

[maskedSONY]

Has anybody caught the latest batch of the Mazda 3i models that have been arriving at dealers?

Apparently Mazda wised up REAL quick about the silly chrome piece on the front of the 3i and they now revised it such that it's mostly black plastic with a much smaller chrome strip. It looks MUCH better and a bit more like the s models.

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/47615-3/IMG_5438.jpg

[Rockin03mp5]

do the base 3's come with allow wheels now too?

[Lord_Zath]

cool.