2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 vs. 2009 Infiniti G37 Coupe

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Burgeoning Beauty vs. Proven Performer

The list of six-cylinder sport coupes that actually matter is a short one. Let's face it, until now it's been BMW 335i and Infiniti G37. And then, about two weeks ago, Hyundai dropped a bomb. A big one.
It's called the 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe.

And all of a sudden, the Korean carmaker — whose previous attempts at "sporty" included machines like the unenviable Scoupe and the forgettable first-generation Tiburon — has thrust itself into the spotlight with a car that at once looks good and has the specs to do the deed. Three hundred horsepower. Six-speed manual transmission. Rear-wheel drive. Limited-slip differential. So put that in your Scoupe pipe and smoke it. Here comes a real car.

Sounds remarkably like the territory of the 2009 Infiniti G37, doesn't it? And it is. In every way except price. So there's your comparison test.

It'll Run Ya

If you've read our full test of the 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8, then you know it's a solid machine with ample power, gorgeous styling and a low price. A really low price.

For $29,500 you can have yours with a 3.8-liter V6 and the Track package, which adds a stiffer suspension, a Torsen limited-slip differential, Brembo brakes and 19-inch wheels. A six-speed manual transmission is standard equipment and our test car has one. Complete with its floor mats, iPod connector and destination fee, it costs $30,375. This number, by the way, is $6,625 less than the base price of the Infiniti G37.
But let's not rule the G37 out of the game just yet. It has proven itself to be a sufficiently bad-ass machine by winning multiple comparison tests in sedan form and remaining a favorite among editors here at IL.

Our G37 test car piled on the options: a $3,200 Premium package added a Bose audio system, memory driver seat, Bluetooth and other amenities. The Navigation package added $2,200, the rear spoiler $550 and illuminated door-sill plates another $330.

The grand total for the 2009 Infiniti G37, which also had a six-speed manual, totaled $44,095 with destination. Cha-ching.

Specs Face Off

Let's not mess around; the price of entry for both of these machines is considerable. The G37's is just far more considerable, that's all. But the Infiniti also has the more impressive specs of the two. Its 3.7-liter V6 is rated at 330 horsepower and 270 pound-feet of torque. It has huge 19-inch wheels and sticky Bridgestone Potenza summer tires, plus fixed four-piston brake calipers are matched with 14-inch front rotors.

But the Genesis holds its own on paper with 306 hp and 266 lb-ft of torque from its own 3.8-liter V6. It, too, comes with 19-inch wheels and the same Bridgestone summer tires, and four-piston Brembo calipers are up front with 13.4-inch rotors.

So are G37's extra amenities, power and proven platform enough to better a competitor which both in-person and on paper appears to have it covered in most critical arenas?

That's what we pondered as we drove both cars for two weeks. We slid them around wet roads, spun dyno rollers and sliced through slalom cones — we even squeezed into their cramped backseats. Before it all began, we decided price and performance would weigh equally on the outcome of this test (25 percent each). The rest would be down to feature content (15 percent), our subjective evaluation score (15 percent), fuel economy (15 percent) and editors' picks (5 percent).

On the Road

If this contest were boiled down to the driving experience alone, the win would go to the 2009 Infiniti G37. It is the better driving car. Its suspension offers a better compromise between a comfortable ride and crisp handling, its engine is better suited to the character of a sport coupe, and all its controls provide better feel and response. Even its steering, which at first seems to be artificially cursed with too much effort, comes alive at speed to inform its driver precisely how much cornering grip remains at the front tires. It's a well-refined formula that Nissan has nailed on all its FM-platform cars.

The Infiniti's VQ-Series engine is the big selling point here. With a ripping 7,600-rpm redline, it's living large at high speed rather than just surviving (an impression we'd verify later at the dyno). This kind of power delivery is better suited for hard driving than the grunty mill in the Genesis. Start singing up a mountain road with the G-machine and you'll find yourself at high rpm early and often. And you'll want an engine that's comfortable there.

Perhaps the only area where the 2009 Infiniti G37 falls short relative to the Genesis is in the use of a viscous limited-slip differential. Slower reacting and therefore less predictable than the Torsen LSD in the Genesis, the G's viscous unit simply isn't as effective as it should be in a platform this capable.

Yet there's no denying that the Genesis is very, very good. Enough so, in fact, that most drivers wouldn't miss the G37's added dimension of communication unless they'd had a back-to-back run with the Hyundai. The steering and brakes of the Genesis coupe lack the G37's immediacy, but nonetheless offer ample confidence. Its shifter isn't as bolt-action precise, but we never missed a shift.

And its 3.8-liter engine, well, there's the heart of a minivan under the coupe's sloping hood and we can't pretend otherwise. We swear there's still a little Kia Sedona in its otherwise throaty intake note, which sounds far better than the G's raspy howl. But let's not forget, this Korean engine is fractionally bigger than the Infiniti's mill. The Genesis' V6 makes ample yank right off idle and equals or exceeds the G's engine in power and torque production until 4,800 rpm according to the Dynojet chassis dyno at MD Automotive in Westminster, California.

Where the BS Stops

At the test track the 2010 Hyundai Genesis proves itself a worthy entry into the sport coupe segment by giving the pricier Infiniti a run in several categories. First, the Genesis tips the scales at just 3,488 pounds — 221 pounds lighter than the G37. Porkiness has long been a valid gripe about any car built on Nissan's FM platform and the G is no exception.
But being lightweight didn't help the Genesis coupe accelerate as quickly as we had hoped. The Genesis hit 60 mph from a standstill in 6.4 seconds (6.1 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and went through the traps at the quarter-mile mark in 14.5 seconds at 97.9 mph. That's considerably slower than the G37's 5.7-second run to 60 mph (5.4 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and its quarter-mile performance of 13.9 seconds at 101.4 mph.

Accelerating the Genesis quickly can be tricky because of a drivetrain protection feature built into its engine calibration. Shift the Genesis coupe aggressively at redline and you'll occasionally experience a power cut in your target gear which lasts 3 seconds.

The problem is exacerbated by the car's tachometer, which doesn't keep up with the engine speed in the first few gears, so it's too easy to run the engine to its 6,800-rpm maximum speed (redline is 6,500 rpm). Hyundai says the drivetrain protection is triggered at 6,800 rpm, but once it intervened, we experienced a power reduction in the next gear at much lower engine speeds. Run this V6 to the rev limiter in any given gear and it will hang there comfortably. But if you shift hard and quickly at the indicated redline, you'll occasionally be punished with that cut in power.
Hyundai is considering a new calibration, but there are cars going on sale that incorporate this 3-second power intervention, a feature that can punish drivers at engine speeds well below redline. Some people won't notice it, but to others it could be a deal breaker in the purchase of a Genesis 3.8 coupe.

The Handling Story

Throttle inputs can be used to adjust the cornering attitude of both coupes around the skid pad, but the Torsen differential in the Genesis makes these adjustments quicker and inspires more confidence while doing so. The Torsen diff also gives the Hyundai better lateral grip than the G37, with a 0.88g performance on the skid pad versus 0.85g for the G37.
Through the slalom, the G37's heavier steering offers high-resolution feedback, which helps making prudent decisions at speed easy. But the Genesis has better body roll control and provides more than enough feedback to sense its limits. The Infiniti is quicker at 69.7 mph vs. the Genesis coupe's 68.2-mph run.

The real story here is bigger than the numbers. Drive these cars back-to-back over the same section of road and you'll find them similarly capable. You'll squeeze more speed out of one exiting a corner yet find the other more confident going in. You'll learn to love the G37's instant brake response and then fall for the Genesis' more relaxed but equally confident pedal action. Going quickly in the 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe is a product of its guttural grunt, intuitive feel and textbook rear-drive balance. By comparison, the Infiniti is more anxious, more precise and more immediate.
In this case, both approaches work well. But if we were going to split hairs, we'd say that the 2009 Infiniti G37 makes a bigger sacrifice in daily driving where its heavy steering and immediate brake response seem unnecessary and, at times, awkward. But then we'd have to tell you that the Genesis coupe's engine mounts are too soft, so its big V6 flops around way too much during quick shifts or rapid throttle transitions, creating intrusive drivetrain lash. But we won't do that because we genuinely like the way both cars are tuned.

Living Inside and Out

Hyundai's interior quality and design are a step up from many comparably priced cars, but when compared to a machine as costly as the G37 it's sometimes clear where the corners were cut.

The G37's center stack offers two additional knobs that are universally more expensive and offer more expedient, rapid control than buttons. In this case, there's another knob for the G37's passenger temperature, because dual-zone climate control is standard on the Infiniti and not available on the Genesis. There's also another knob for radio tuning. The radio and ventilation controls for both cars operate with quality feel, but with few exceptions, the Infiniti offers a slightly improved level of precision and damping from its knobs.

The Infiniti's $2,200 Navigation package provides one of the best nav systems in the business as well as XM Nav Traffic, 9.3GB of hard-drive storage for music and a compact flash slot for MP3 playback. Navigation won't be available on the Hyundai until mid-model year.

Hyundai has cut no corners on the seats of the Genesis, however. In fact, the only way we can think to realistically improve them is to put a non-slip surface on the seat bottom. Otherwise, they are supportive, adjustable, even good-looking. And they're superior to the G37's seats in every way except there is no easy-entry release for either of the front seats, a feature the G offers.

Once in the backseat, passengers 5-foot-10 and taller will have to duck down in the Genesis but will still fit in the G37. Both cars make compromises in their rear seats, which is to say, don't plan on riding in the back of either one for very long.

And finally, the ability to make the Infiniti G37 look slab-sided and stodgy requires a car as aggressively styled as the Genesis coupe. This is truly a beautiful machine with lines and angles which literally stop traffic. If you're not a wuss, you'll get yours in Bathurst Black, which best shows off the coupe's gorgeous haunches and sculpted sides. Hyundai managed to knock off the G37's elegant proportions and then add some much-needed shape. And we love it.

The Rest of the Story
It's the undeniable value equation that tips this test in the favor of the 2010 Hyundai Genesis 3.8. You simply get more car for your dollar with the Genesis coupe. Sure, it's not as much car as the 2009 Infiniti G37, but at two-thirds the cost, it doesn't have to be.

Plus the Hyundai effectively opens up the sport coupe arena to a new buyer — one who isn't prepared to drop the better part of $50 large on a car but wants the looks and most of the performance of the big players. And that, friends, earns the 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 a spot on anybody's short list of possible purchases.

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[sam1]

I can't believe we are actually talking about comparing a hyundai to an infinity...just wrong

[mikeyb]

I can't believe we are actually talking about comparing a hyundai to an infinity...just wrong

Why not? They are both coupes, RWD, big V6s, and offer similar performance?

The G37c was one of the benchmarks for the Genesis Coupe.

[TampaBlackMSP]

Looks nice, but I'm surprised that the Gen wasn't quicker; though after reading I see why - they're not quite there yet with the engineering, unlike the Infiniti, which has had plenty of headstart in the tweaking/refining/upgrading dept. But hey, for the difference in price...

[sam1]

Why not? They are both coupes, RWD, big V6s, and offer similar performance?

The G37c was one of the benchmarks for the Genesis Coupe.

I guess for me it's just the stigma that comes with the ugly H badge

[mikeyb]

I guess for me it's just the stigma that comes with the ugly H badge

I can relate to you on that. But I've driven a Genesis sedan and that really opened my eyes to what Hyundai is capable of doing and will be doing in the next few years.

[daonly1around]

maybe an upgrade for the speed3 in the future, but in the future i would actually NEED the room, where as i don't now...

[LASERBLUE135]

There really is no comparison here. They look alike, but really if you've got money to spare you're going to probly buy the G. If money to fun is important, OR if you want to be different your going to get the Genisis.

I vote the Genisis because its a great car for money, but its deffenetly got a LOT of stiff competition out there...the Mustang can actually turn now (better g's that either of these cars). The 370Z is a monster too.

I know if off subject, but the 4 cyl Turbo is such a great car, you'll see WAY more of them than you're going to see V6 Genisis out there.

And 19" rims on this car is a crime (DUBS!), Why? Stock 19's on a 200hp 4 banger...urg.

[daonly1around]

yeah, if i were to get one it would be base model V6 with manual

[coolmazda5]

I'm more into design and style than just pure raw power (read bowls), so Infiniti

[CHICO2003]

I don't understand this poll. Which car is better? Obviously the Infinity. Which car would I buy? Well, if I was in the market for a car like this... and had to pick one, I'd have to get the Hyundai. Dollar for dolllar, it's the better choice.

[boostdog]

I don't understand this poll. Which car is better? Obviously the Infinity. Which car would I buy? Well, if I was in the market for a car like this... and had to pick one, I'd have to get the Hyundai. Dollar for dolllar, it's the better choice.

I agree.

although if i do buy one it'll be the 2.0 turbo model. the aftermarket is already huge for the turbo model and is a bargin!

[spike blue]

OK you guys are spelling Infinity wrong is Infiniti!! and but the way Infiniti is way better but the hyundai is a good lookig car though

[NCZ13]

There really is no comparison here. They look alike, but really if you've got money to spare you're going to probly buy the G. If money to fun is important, OR if you want to be different your going to get the Genisis.

I vote the Genisis because its a great car for money, but its deffenetly got a LOT of stiff competition out there...the Mustang can actually turn now (better g's that either of these cars). The 370Z is a monster too.

I know if off subject, but the 4 cyl Turbo is such a great car, you'll see WAY more of them than you're going to see V6 Genisis out there.

And 19" rims on this car is a crime (DUBS!), Why? Stock 19's on a 200hp 4 banger...urg.

they arent 19s stock. the biggest wheels on the coupe are 18. I just recently went through coupe training (w/ a parts bias) for my job. It comes base with 17s. the upgraded models with brembos come with 18s to clear the larger caliper.

These line of hyundai engines are fairly advanced, so im not to sure why you guys are saying that infiniti has the edge in engineering... how so?

the coupe makes 306bhp on Regular fuel. in fact, the V8 (TAU) engine was awarded engine of the year. I would say thats fairly advanced.
I used to hate hyundais, but since ive started working at my dealership its really changed how i look at them.

[coolmazda5]

I used to hate hyundais, but since ive started working at my dealership its really changed how i look at them.

Let's also say that Hyundai has helped itself by improving with few of its models during the last few years. My first experience was with a Hyundai Excel we borrowed as students for a 2 week trip, and that set the bad brand stigma, right there.

[240ka]

they arent 19s stock. the biggest wheels on the coupe are 18. I just recently went through coupe training (w/ a parts bias) for my job. It comes base with 17s. the upgraded models with brembos come with 18s to clear the larger caliper.

These line of hyundai engines are fairly advanced, so im not to sure why you guys are saying that infiniti has the edge in engineering... how so?

the coupe makes 306bhp on Regular fuel. in fact, the V8 (TAU) engine was awarded engine of the year. I would say thats fairly advanced.
I used to hate hyundais, but since ive started working at my dealership its really changed how i look at them.

that is not brake HP. the V6 Gen coupe makes 306 crank hp. so thats around 265-270bhp

the G makes around 300bhp/330crank hp.

and G37 FTW. no point in comparing these two. the G is the best of both worlds between the lame ass 328 and 335i

no one would make a poll of Gen Coupe Vs 335i or even Gen Coupe vs lame ass 328 and there is a reason for that. its pointless just like this poll

[ZoomZoomH]

is this article from Edmunds Inside Line? Because if this is they just released an update article to this comparison test, apparently the Genesis Coupe they used in this test was poorly tuned and out of alignment and had worn out tires. After Hyundai engineers tuned up the car, its performance numbers became MUCH closer to that of the G37's

here's the update article:
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/03/2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-v6-track-retest.html

and yes, current Genesis coupe owners CAN bring their spanking new car into Hyundai dealers and have their ECU reprogrammed for free ;)

[NCZ13]

that is not brake HP. the V6 Gen coupe makes 306 crank hp. so thats around 265-270bhp

the G makes around 300bhp/330crank hp.

and G37 FTW. no point in comparing these two. the G is the best of both worlds between the lame ass 328 and 335i

no one would make a poll of Gen Coupe Vs 335i or even Gen Coupe vs lame ass 328 and there is a reason for that. its pointless just like this poll


bhp and crank horsepower are the same thing.

the point of the comparison is because the Coupe is meant to be cross-shopped b/w the G, and other sport coupes. Where it is going to excel is having similar performance to cars that cost 5-10k more. a fully loaded Coupe is still cheaper than a base model G. A similary packaged G costs around 10k more. Is the G a nicer car? sure, is it 10k nicer? thats teh question at hand.

[NCZ13]

is this article from Edmunds Inside Line? Because if this is they just released an update article to this comparison test, apparently the Genesis Coupe they used in this test was poorly tuned and out of alignment and had worn out tires. After Hyundai engineers tuned up the car, its performance numbers became MUCH closer to that of the G37's

here's the update article:
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/03/2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-v6-track-retest.html

and yes, current Genesis coupe owners CAN bring their spanking new car into Hyundai dealers and have their ECU reprogrammed for free ;)

perhaps in canada where the car was released earlier. Dealers in california have only started recieving their coupes. The SD area dealerships all only have one 3.8 model. The turbo models are still at port (as of last week) and the rest are still on ship. The turbo models were all being reflashed (i have no other details on that). So chances are the cars will be reflashed as they arrive.

The dealerships also will not sell the only coupe they have. If they sell it they will have nothing on the showroom to show.

[240ka]

bhp and crank horsepower are the same thing.

the point of the comparison is because the Coupe is meant to be cross-shopped b/w the G, and other sport coupes. Where it is going to excel is having similar performance to cars that cost 5-10k more. a fully loaded Coupe is still cheaper than a base model G. A similary packaged G costs around 10k more. Is the G a nicer car? sure, is it 10k nicer? thats teh question at hand.

my bad. i was thinking WHP.

have you seen a "fully loaded" Gen Coupe? there are no Options.

sorry, but no one in their right mind would cross shop the G and Gen Coupe.

the Turbo Gen Coupe would be Cross Shpped with the Ms3,Subbies, Cobalts etc. if im spending a base price of 31k on the V6, its not going to hyundai. im going to get me a 370z. but the Gen Coupe will not be cross shopped with the G37 just b/c it has a big V6 and is RWD. thats where the comparisons stop

people thought the Gen Sedan was going to do really well against the cars it was targeted to "compete" against. didnt fair too well for the Sedan either

[NCZ13]

my bad. i was thinking WHP.

have you seen a "fully loaded" Gen Coupe? there are no Options.

sorry, but no one in their right mind would cross shop the G and Gen Coupe.

the Turbo Gen Coupe would be Cross Shpped with the Ms3,Subbies, Cobalts etc. if im spending a base price of 31k on the V6, its not going to hyundai. im going to get me a 370z. but the Gen Coupe will not be cross shopped with the G37 just b/c it has a big V6 and is RWD. thats where the comparisons stop

people thought the Gen Sedan was going to do really well against the cars it was targeted to "compete" against. didnt fair too well for the Sedan either

but thats why it will be cross shopped. Both are coupes, both have big v6s, both have similar performance. Thats the whole point of cross shopping. The turbo model will be compared to similar cars in its price bracket (so yes, the ms3, wrx, RA lancer, etc) Sure in your opinion you wouldnt cross shop the two, but as you can see the majority of the automotive world will (thus all teh comparisons by all the major magazines).

Im not to sure what your talking about. The genesis sedan is doing great. Its an entry level luxury sedan, aimed at other entry level luxury sedans. The sedan was named the North American car of the year, not to mention hyundai is one of the only brands taht isnt hurting financially like the rest of the companies. The v8 (4.6 Tau) was named engine of the year.

Once again, I work at a dealership and recently had Coupe training. A fully loaded v6 model has

18" wheel option
Brembo package
infinity sound system (cant remember number of speakers)
two tone leather interior
back up sensors (no camera)
and i believe bluetooth.
HID headlamps
Torsen limited slip Diff
Upgraded summer tires (I believe BF goodrich) Tires are also staggered in size, but the i do not recall the actual tire dimensions at the moment.

There is no option for nav, but it is in production and mroe than likely will be introduced midyear.

This car defines the phrase bang for buck. Say what you want about Hyundai, but they are rising up, and are starting to put out some great cars.

[Omar MSP]

i can't wait for top gear to review it, i'll reserve my judgement till then.

[ZoomZoomH]

i actually mistaken a Genesis Sedan for a BMW 3-series sedan the other day while coming up from behind, it's that nice.

[240ka]

but thats why it will be cross shopped. Both are coupes, both have big v6s, both have similar performance. Thats the whole point of cross shopping. The turbo model will be compared to similar cars in its price bracket (so yes, the ms3, wrx, RA lancer, etc) Sure in your opinion you wouldnt cross shop the two, but as you can see the majority of the automotive world will (thus all teh comparisons by all the major magazines).

Im not to sure what your talking about. The genesis sedan is doing great. Its an entry level luxury sedan, aimed at other entry level luxury sedans. The sedan was named the North American car of the year, not to mention hyundai is one of the only brands taht isnt hurting financially like the rest of the companies. The v8 (4.6 Tau) was named engine of the year.

Once again, I work at a dealership and recently had Coupe training. A fully loaded v6 model has

18" wheel option
Brembo package
infinity sound system (cant remember number of speakers)
two tone leather interior
back up sensors (no camera)
and i believe bluetooth.
HID headlamps
Torsen limited slip Diff
Upgraded summer tires (I believe BF goodrich) Tires are also staggered in size, but the i do not recall the actual tire dimensions at the moment.

There is no option for nav, but it is in production and mroe than likely will be introduced midyear.

This car defines the phrase bang for buck. Say what you want about Hyundai, but they are rising up, and are starting to put out some great cars.

yeah, people will cross shop the Gen Coupe with an infiniti G37 just like it was claimed people would cross shop the Gen Sedan with the Infiniti M, 500 benz, 5 series Bmw and Lexus LS except for the fact that the speculation didnt actually come true.

have you seen the sales of the Gen Sedan? people arent going to cross shop the Gen Coupe with the G37.

just wait and see

and i dont have a problem with Hyundai one bit. while they have made big strides, they arent on par with infiniti and the others, not even close. they still arent on par with Nissan, toyota, mazda etc

i understand you work for Hyundai and all but your judgement seems to be a bit jaded...really jaded

also, until Hyundai stop using other makers designs and trying to tweak them to be their own, they wont be taken too seriously

they need to start being original now. they have shown they can make decent cars.

[mikeyb]

yeah, people will cross shop the Gen Coupe with an infiniti G37 just like it was claimed people would cross shop the Gen Sedan with the Infiniti M, 500 benz, 5 series Bmw and Lexus LS except for the fact that the speculation didnt actually come true.

have you seen the sales of the Gen Sedan? people arent going to cross shop the Gen Coupe with the G37.

just wait and see

and i dont have a problem with Hyundai one bit. while they have made big strides, they arent on par with infiniti and the others, not even close. they still arent on par with Nissan, toyota, mazda etc

i understand you work for Hyundai and all but your judgement seems to be a bit jaded...really jaded

also, until Hyundai stop using other makers designs and trying to tweak them to be their own, they wont be taken too seriously

they need to start being original now. they have shown they can make decent cars.

I disagree, All 4 Hyundai dealers in my area have alot of high midsize luxury cars sitting on their lots. I have afew contacts with one of the dealers because its my Nissan dealer and my contact told me that customers are trading in BMW 5 series, MB E class, and other midsize luxury cars.

[mikeyb]

i actually mistaken a Genesis Sedan for a BMW 3-series sedan the other day while coming up from behind, it's that nice.

My aunt drives a Genesis sedan and its really nice. She traded in a BMW e39 01 525i in for it. She let me take it out to fill the tank for her and while at the gas station I was being asked what model Lexus or MB it was. When I said it was a Hyundai Genesis everyone was really surprised tha Hyundai is capable of manufacturing a high end vehicle.

[240ka]

I disagree, All 4 Hyundai dealers in my area have alot of high midsize luxury cars sitting on their lots. I have afew contacts with one of the dealers because its my Nissan dealer and my contact told me that customers are trading in BMW 5 series, MB E class, and other midsize luxury cars.

in my area. there arent many on the road. and i live in orlando.

as said, just look at the sales of the Gen Sedan. its all in the numbers. and your aunts car was a 01 5 series. the Gen sedan is better than that b/c its newer. hell, look at the 06 M5 interior. its looks terrible

but put a 09 gen sedan up next to a 09 M45, 5series, benz, Lex. it doesnt compare.

the leather in the Gen feels plethery to me, the steering wheel and radio looks horrible. its an all around good car. im not speaking against that. buts its jst not on par with the cars its claimed to compete against

[NCZ13]

yeah, people will cross shop the Gen Coupe with an infiniti G37 just like it was claimed people would cross shop the Gen Sedan with the Infiniti M, 500 benz, 5 series Bmw and Lexus LS except for the fact that the speculation didnt actually come true.

have you seen the sales of the Gen Sedan? people arent going to cross shop the Gen Coupe with the G37.

just wait and see

and i dont have a problem with Hyundai one bit. while they have made big strides, they arent on par with infiniti and the others, not even close. they still arent on par with Nissan, toyota, mazda etc

i understand you work for Hyundai and all but your judgement seems to be a bit jaded...really jaded

also, until Hyundai stop using other makers designs and trying to tweak them to be their own, they wont be taken too seriously

they need to start being original now. they have shown they can make decent cars.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/03/by-the-numbers-february-2009-wish-it-were-a-leap-year-edition/
feb sales.

Like i said, hyundai is one of the only companies actually doing well in this current market. You have to realize that hyundai is at its point where lexus was in the 90s. Think of them as a completely new brand. Its going to take a couple more years before they are on par with luxury brands such as inifiniti or lexus.

I keep giving you facts as to why hyundai is a successful brand, yet you think im talking out my ass, saying im jaded. Numbers do not lie, you can easily find out information on genesis sales as well as with the awards its one by searching the internet.

I gave you facts as to why the coupe will be cross shopped with the G, yet you responded with a response that holds no fact, saying the sedan hasnt done well (yet it has) and the coupe will follow suit.

[coolmazda5]

i actually mistaken a Genesis Sedan for a BMW 3-series sedan the other day while coming up from behind, it's that nice.

BMW colored spinning propeller blade logo trunk badge >>>> Hyundai "H" trunk badge :)

[240ka]

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/03/by-the-numbers-february-2009-wish-it-were-a-leap-year-edition/
feb sales.

Like i said, hyundai is one of the only companies actually doing well in this current market. You have to realize that hyundai is at its point where lexus was in the 90s. Think of them as a completely new brand. Its going to take a couple more years before they are on par with luxury brands such as inifiniti or lexus.

I keep giving you facts as to why hyundai is a successful brand, yet you think im talking out my ass, saying im jaded. Numbers do not lie, you can easily find out information on genesis sales as well as with the awards its one by searching the internet.

I gave you facts as to why the coupe will be cross shopped with the G, yet you responded with a response that holds no fact, saying the sedan hasnt done well (yet it has) and the coupe will follow suit.


those arent facts as to how or why the Gen Coupe will be cross shopped with the G37. its speculation. even on a track the Gen Coupe wont compare to the G37. the G37 is a tick faster than the 335i on a track in twisties.

and for str8 line performance, go take a look at MyG37 . com. people have gotten their G37s down to high mid 13's some 13.5. at best the Gen Coupe will only manage 13.9 with a great driver

you are showing sales for all hyundais. not the Gen Sedan. and do you know why so many hyundais are selling. b/c they are Cheap and you can get substantial rebates on a low priced car.

most of their sales is a reflection of what buyer of their cars can afford(which isnt much.) not people wanting to purchase their cars.

now the Gen Coupe changes that. no one is making a RWD turbo car in the low mid 20k range. but when you step up to the V6 and a 31k price tag, well the Gen Coupe doesnt make much sense anymore when you can get a much faster, better built, better styled and even more luxurious car like a 370z.

but we have our opinions, but lets see how many people are going to choose a V6 gen coupe over a G37 haha. if thats the case, they will be buying Gen Coupes over 328s as well.

ive been in the Gen Coupe. and while the quality is "good" you are mistaking if you think its on par with an Infiniti, BMW or anything else.

the dash design looks just as bad as the front end, the radio again looks bad, no telescoping steering wheel, the leather feels like plether.

but i like the side and back of the car. b/c it has so many G35/G37 design cues in it. if you like the G coupes, you cant help but like the Gen Coupe from the sides and back.

[mikeyb]

BMW colored spinning propeller blade logo trunk badge >>>> Hyundai "H" trunk badge :)

The Roundel on BMW emblems is not a spinning propeller blade. Its the Bavarian flag.

[coolmazda5]

The Roundel on BMW emblems is not a spinning propeller blade. Its the Bavarian flag.


1917. Adopted BMW name and stylised propeller in blue / white segments, the colours of the Bavarian coat of arms.


http://www.bmweducation.co.uk/coFacts/view.asp?docID=66

[mikeyb]

1917. Adopted BMW name and stylised propeller in blue / white segments, the colours of the Bavarian coat of arms.


http://www.bmweducation.co.uk/coFacts/view.asp?docID=66

smartass...We both were correct.

[coolmazda5]

smartass...We both were correct.

Don't underestimate those van groupies, LOL :D

Anyway, on topic, I checked out the later article. Hyundai is making it up for it, I guess they have no choice, the 1st impression counts:


Hyundai agreed and made a running change to the ECU that keeps it from cutting in during fast shifts. Hyundai is fast at work reflashing all the cars now at dealers and at the port (If you're one of the few that has already bought a Genesis Coupe, call your dealer and they'll reflash your car for free).

[CHICO2003]

A better matchup will be the Genesis Coupe vs the Camaro RS


I still can't get past that awkwardly styled rear window. If only that line could be cleaned up. Add a more aggressive grille and you've got a pretty damn good lookin car.

[emawk]

For a Hyundai to be compared with an Infiniti, Hyundai has a done a great job.

I'm guessing the Hyundai brand wants to be considered luxury and Kia to be the maintstreamer.

[ConceptVBS]

the biggest wheels on the coupe are 18. I just recently went through coupe training (w/ a parts bias) for my job. It comes base with 17s. the upgraded models with brembos come with 18s to clear the larger caliper.

Wheels (standard) 18" alloy wheels
Wheels (Track Model)19" alloy wheels

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/GenesisCoupe/specs/specs.aspx

[ConceptVBS]

my bad. i was thinking WHP.

have you seen a "fully loaded" Gen Coupe? there are no Options.

sorry, but no one in their right mind would cross shop the G and Gen Coupe.

the Turbo Gen Coupe would be Cross Shpped with the Ms3,Subbies, Cobalts etc. if im spending a base price of 31k on the V6, its not going to hyundai. im going to get me a 370z. but the Gen Coupe will not be cross shopped with the G37 just b/c it has a big V6 and is RWD. thats where the comparisons stop

people thought the Gen Sedan was going to do really well against the cars it was targeted to "compete" against. didnt fair too well for the Sedan either

$31K on the V6 Genesis Coupe is for the fully loaded Track with Automatic. There are no options.

The MSRP for the a BASE 370Z is $29K. To be comparable, equipment wise, to the Genesis Coupe, you have to shell out around $34K -$35K for the track model.

I believe the Gen competes with the G37 favorably. Image and brand aside, which are superficial anyhow, at least for the rationally minded people, consumers would be doing themselves a disfavor of not checking out a Genesis coupe when shopping for a high performance coupe.

I think the Genesis Coupe fits a unique niche in the market. It's priced very low to compete with the ms3's, Si, GTI, cobalt ss, yet its specs compete with the likes of the mustang camaro, G37, 370Z, etc. It's basically a double edged sword. One car competing in two different markets with two different engines. Whoever did the market research at Hyundai should get a promotion. I foresee this car doing very well in both sides of the market.

[Gmac03]

OK you guys are spelling Infinity wrong is Infiniti!! and but the way Infiniti is way better but the hyundai is a good lookig car though

INFINITI!!! Thank you!

I own 2 infiniti G20's now, and seven over the years. I love Infiniti's, would like to see a small sedan or coupe again from them. I would buy it in a minute.

Now that Hyundai is gross. Looks like the original tiburon, ugly. Test drive both and I guarantee you'll see why the price difference is there. The infiniti will rarely ever brake down, where as I know for a fact that the hyundai's have some issues. Infiniti's interiors are top notch, cant say the same for the hyundai.

You can tell my vote.

Gmac

[Olestra]

INFINITI!!! Thank you!

I own 2 infiniti G20's now, and seven over the years. I love Infiniti's, would like to see a small sedan or coupe again from them. I would buy it in a minute.

Now that Hyundai is gross. Looks like the original tiburon, ugly. Test drive both and I guarantee you'll see why the price difference is there. The infiniti will rarely ever brake down, where as I know for a fact that the hyundai's have some issues. Infiniti's interiors are top notch, cant say the same for the hyundai.

You can tell my vote.

Gmac

Have you test driven one?
The Genesis coupe has not been out long enough to comment about its reliability.

[240ka]

$31K on the V6 Genesis Coupe is for the fully loaded Track with Automatic. There are no options.

The MSRP for the a BASE 370Z is $29K. To be comparable, equipment wise, to the Genesis Coupe, you have to shell out around $34K -$35K for the track model.

I believe the Gen competes with the G37 favorably. Image and brand aside, which are superficial anyhow, at least for the rationally minded people, consumers would be doing themselves a disfavor of not checking out a Genesis coupe when shopping for a high performance coupe.

I think the Genesis Coupe fits a unique niche in the market. It's priced very low to compete with the ms3's, Si, GTI, cobalt ss, yet its specs compete with the likes of the mustang camaro, G37, 370Z, etc. It's basically a double edged sword. One car competing in two different markets with two different engines. Whoever did the market research at Hyundai should get a promotion. I foresee this car doing very well in both sides of the market.

infiniti m45 interior
http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2006332456303979281_rs.jpg

Gen Sedan interior(hyundai loves to copy infinti, from the gen sedan to the gen coupe). sorry, but hyundai is no where close to being on par
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/2009_hyundai_genesis_us_post_press_image022.jpg

BMW 528 interior
http://l.yimg.com/dv/izp/bmw_5_series_528i_sedan_2009_dashboard_dashboard.j pg

Gen Sedan
http://image.motortrend.com/f/8441944/112_0801_04z+2009_hyundai_genesis_sedan+side_view. jpg

Infiniti M45. sorry the Hyundai isnt on par with the cars it competes with in know way fashion or form. Infiniti for the WIN ext.
http://www.otodiyari.com/files/2008-Infiniti-M45.jpg

bmw 528
http://images8.ecarlist.com/photos/1268_243506/640/00.jpg

[ZoomZoomH]

Gen Sedan
http://image.motortrend.com/f/8441944/112_0801_04z+2009_hyundai_genesis_sedan+side_view. jpg

Infiniti M45. sorry the Hyundai isnt on par with the cars it competes with. Infiniti for the WIN ext.
http://www.otodiyari.com/files/2008-Infiniti-M45.jpg

bmw 528
http://images8.ecarlist.com/photos/1268_243506/640/00.jpg

actually out of those 3, i think the Genesis sedan has the best profile, the other 2 all have the 'weird butt syndrome', lol

[skylar2ups]

INFINITI!!! Thank you!

I own 2 infiniti G20's now, and seven over the years. I love Infiniti's, would like to see a small sedan or coupe again from them. I would buy it in a minute.

Now that Hyundai is gross. Looks like the original tiburon, ugly. Test drive both and I guarantee you'll see why the price difference is there. The infiniti will rarely ever brake down, where as I know for a fact that the hyundai's have some issues. Infiniti's interiors are top notch, cant say the same for the hyundai.

You can tell my vote.

Gmac

I went to my local Nissan dealership to test drive a 370Z and a used Infiniti M45 they had on the lot. When I got there a blue coupe caught my eye. When I walked over I say it was a Hyundai... the cars looks damn good. The only problem I had with the coupe was the cheap grill, it was a 3.8 Track.

Standard Features:
Black Leather (Nice leather esp. in the back seats... they are actually seats.)
Auto Temp
Fogs
Door Stills
ESC & TCS
ABS/EBD/Brake assist
TPMS
5 Airbags
Driver Lumbar
Trip Computer
Proximity key entry and push button start
Leather Wrapped wheele and shift knob
Auto up/down power windows
iPod/USB and MP3 aux input
Steering wheel audio controls
Cruise
Auto HID Xenon Headlights
Bluetooth
Power divers seat
Heated front seats
Infinity Audio (10 Speakers)
Auto dimming mirror w/compass (HomeLink)
Heated side mirrors with turn signals
Power sunroof
19" Alloys w/summer tires
Brembo Braking
Torsen Limited Slip
Aluminum Pedals
Aero wiper blades
Rear spoiler

The car felt solid like all Hyundais but it was fun to drive, the seats felt really nice even in the back seat were I didn't feel like I needed to cut off my legs. The cabin is pretty big. The trunk not so much. The back seat goes down but its one large piece and the opening to the trunk is only about a foot high. The engine is nothing special to look at but it's big and powerful. The gas pedal is on the floor which is like my sisters BMW 3 series. The brakes are great, the sounds are amazing, the Infinity sound system was really nice, bluetooth worked well and was easy to use. The dash is simple but easy to read. Over all the car is great.

I test drove the M45 which someone traded in for the Genesis (Sedan) The V8 was amazing in that car I loved it. And just for fun I test drove the Genesis and I could see why they wanted the Hyundai but I liked the M45 a lot better. But I'm 20. Hyundai made some really great cars.

[240ka]

actually out of those 3, i think the Genesis sedan has the best profile, the other 2 all have the 'weird butt syndrome', lol

i vote the M45 easily. ext. the BMW is the ugliest

[ConceptVBS]

infiniti m45 interior


Gen Sedan interior(hyundai loves to copy infinti, from the gen sedan to the gen coupe). sorry, but hyundai is no where close to being on par


Infiniti M45. sorry the Hyundai isnt on par with the cars it competes with in know way fashion or form. Infiniti for the WIN ext.


bmw 528


In what sense? All you showed were pictures of interiors and exteriors. It seems like you were comparing the design elements. I'll play.

Designs are very subjective. It's more qualitative vs quantitative. One man's trash is another mans treasure. "Copying" is a strong word. If you have any knowledge of the car design field, you'll know that there are three major design schools that specialize in automotive design. Also, design studios hire away people from other makers. The guy who designed the Genesis Coupe was hired away from GM. Now he is working for Mercedes. The chief designer of Kia is from Audi/VW group, who designed the Audi TT. The chief designer for Ford also worked for Audi/VW group, who designed the Passat and the new Beatle. All these design studios have the students from the same schools with top designers working for a small number of studios.
So its not surprising to see design elements that may seem similar to others designs(perhaps its because two cars were designed by the SAME person). Plus, designers follow whats known as trends. They dont just ouright "copy". They have reputations to maintain for their next job.

To say that the Hyundai isnt on par with the infiniti regarding the design elements is just your opinion. However, I have my opinion as well, and I strongly disagree with yours.

Lastly, I was comparing the performance and value attributes of the G37 vs Genesis Coupe, NOT the sedan. Why did you even bring these things up in the first place? I believe this thread is about coupes not sedans. Am I missing something? Lets stick to the topic at hand shall we?

[240ka]

In what sense? All you showed were pictures of interiors and exteriors. It seems like you were comparing the design elements. I'll play.

Designs are very subjective. It's more qualitative vs quantitative. One man's trash is another mans treasure. "Copying" is a strong word. If you have any knowledge of the car design field, you'll know that there are three major design schools that specialize in automotive design. Also, design studios hire away people from other makers. The guy who designed the Genesis Coupe was hired away from GM. Now he is working for Mercedes. The chief designer of Kia is from Audi/VW group, who designed the Audi TT. The chief designer for Ford also worked for Audi/VW group, who designed the Passat and the new Beatle. All these design studios have the students from the same schools with top designers working for a small number of studios.
So its not surprising to see design elements that may seem similar to others designs(perhaps its because two cars were designed by the SAME person). Plus, designers follow whats known as trends. They dont just ouright "copy". They have reputations to maintain for their next job.

To say that the Hyundai isnt on par with the infiniti regarding the design elements is just your opinion. However, I have my opinion as well, and I strongly disagree with yours.

Lastly, I was comparing the performance and value attributes of the G37 vs Genesis Coupe, NOT the sedan. Why did you even bring these things up in the first place? I believe this thread is about coupes not sedans. Am I missing something? Lets stick to the topic at hand shall we?


bro, maybe you arent looking close enough at the pics i posted. look at the Gen Sedans dash again, it looks cheap

and i brought it up to show the difference in quality and refinement to show the GEN Sedan nor coupe are on par with the likes of Infiniti or any of the other luxury brands.

dont kid yourself.

they have come a long way but not enough to be on par with lux cars. no one in their right mind is going to cross shop a gen coupe with a g37, 328, 335, a5 or any other lux car in this segment

[Gmac03]

Have you test driven one?
The Genesis coupe has not been out long enough to comment about its reliability.

Very true, but the rest of the cars they sell have been. And maybe they will change that with this car, but i'm not taking that chance, warrantee or not.

Gmac

[skylar2ups]

Very true, but the rest of the cars they sell have been. And maybe they will change that with this car, but i'm not taking that chance, warrantee or not.

Gmac

Their cars aren't the problem... it's the people that buy them and drive them. Any car will become a POS if the driver doesn't take care of it. Hyundais are cheap... not in build just in price and so people buy them to get from point A to point B... they don't care what happens to the car because it was only $10K.

[NCZ13]

I havent posted in this thread beacuse ive been kind of busy, so ive only had time to just read the posts.

hyundais for the most part a very reliable cars. My dealership does little to no heavy line work (meaning engines, and transmissions). What does break on hyundais (past hyundais more specifically) is interior and trim things. Alot of stuff that is replaced under warranty. The heavy line work that does come through my dealership is due to the owner and improper care.

One guy had to pay out of pocket for a new engine for his santa fe because he failed to change his timing belt in the recommend time period. We recently had a woman get her first oil change for her sonata... her car had close to 25k miles.

The genesis coupe and sedan both have solid interior quality. Panels fit well and are visually pleasing. The visual textures are nice, as well as feel good as well. I urge you to go and sit in one. Is it infiniti status? no, but is it infiniti price? no. What you get is great value for your money, which is what hyundai is trying (and succeeding) to do with the coupe and sedan. The first time i sat in the sedan was at the SD auto show. If i had closed my eyes I would have thought i was in a lexus and not a hyundai.

As for the person who posted about the wheels, yes i guess i was wrong. Regardless, 19s do not come as the standard wheel.

like i stated earlier, hyundai still has a way to go before they can really be competitive with the lux brands. Hyundai is at the point where lexus was during the 90s. Now look at lexus today. The next generation of hyundai cars i think is whats going to take the brand to that next level. This isnt the same econo crap cars they put out during the late 80s and 90s.

[LASERBLUE135]

^^^ You don't have the reviews, customer satisfaction, current very good reputation, etc, etc, etc by building crap cars. This is a car company that CLEARLY knows what its doing in the US market. The Gen coupe is clearly a step in the right direction for performance buyers.

Compairing this car to the G37 is a stretch though...I mean who is really cross shopping these two cars? If you have Infinity money, you just aren't going to shop Hyundai. Has nothing to do with the quality of the cars, its just a buyer preferance. They look alike, but that's about where the comparison stops.

[240ka]

I havent posted in this thread beacuse ive been kind of busy, so ive only had time to just read the posts.

hyundais for the most part a very reliable cars. My dealership does little to no heavy line work (meaning engines, and transmissions). What does break on hyundais (past hyundais more specifically) is interior and trim things. Alot of stuff that is replaced under warranty. The heavy line work that does come through my dealership is due to the owner and improper care.

One guy had to pay out of pocket for a new engine for his santa fe because he failed to change his timing belt in the recommend time period. We recently had a woman get her first oil change for her sonata... her car had close to 25k miles.

The genesis coupe and sedan both have solid interior quality. Panels fit well and are visually pleasing. The visual textures are nice, as well as feel good as well. I urge you to go and sit in one. Is it infiniti status? no, but is it infiniti price? no. What you get is great value for your money, which is what hyundai is trying (and succeeding) to do with the coupe and sedan. The first time i sat in the sedan was at the SD auto show. If i had closed my eyes I would have thought i was in a lexus and not a hyundai.

As for the person who posted about the wheels, yes i guess i was wrong. Regardless, 19s do not come as the standard wheel.

like i stated earlier, hyundai still has a way to go before they can really be competitive with the lux brands. Hyundai is at the point where lexus was during the 90s. Now look at lexus today. The next generation of hyundai cars i think is whats going to take the brand to that next level. This isnt the same econo crap cars they put out during the late 80s and 90s.

please stop saying its at a poitn where lexus was in the 90's. how are you skipping over toyota right to lexus?


second, if hyundais are so great, why dont you have one?

WOW man, youa re stretching and going over board. "If i had closed my eyes I would have thought i was in a lexus and not a hyundai."?

haha, are you kidding me. i wouldnt even trade my MS3 with sport interior for the top of the line Gen coupe based on interior asthetics

the interior isnt visually pleasing at all. I have a 09 MS3 with the piano black radio. and i dont even have the leather. I have a sport model.

when i sat in the Gen Coupe, i definitely felt like i when down in class. it felt like i was in a Hyundai.

the first thing i thought when i sat in the car and this was based on interior quality, feel and design. i knew right away i could not trade my MS3 for that Gen Coupe. and it was the "fully loaded" with no options V6 Gen Coupe

in order to upgrade the radio, you would have to change to whole radio piece. the dash and interior is plain, bland and uninspiring.

its a RWD car that starts in the 20k range. thats good and all but thats where the compliments stop. if it came down to performance alone, id rather have a cobalt over the Gen Coupe

[NCZ13]

because thats exactly where they are.

Lexus was a new company that was trying to capture the luxury market. Thats precisely what hyundai is trying to do. They are changing their image from what they used to be, to where they are now. Precisely what lexus did during the 90s.

My point of it not feeling like a hyundai, was that the sedan didnt feel like the past hyundais they had put out. The interior quality is on a completely different level from what they once were.

I wasnt asking you if you would trade your car for it... I wouldnt trade any of my cars for a coupe... Your question my differing opinion based on the fact i dont own a hyundai? Im a mazda enthusiast. Just because i dont agree with you doesnt mean i have to drive one. I like where hyundai is going, i think that give it another generation, they will be on that affordable luxury level.

You cannot deny that it isnt a solid car (the coupe) because it is. We have all already said its not an infiniti, yet you wont drop that point. The fact remains you are getting great value with this car.

I like the design of the MS3 interior better, that doesnt mean that the coupe doesnt have a nice interior. Your obviously looking at these cars with the presumption that it will be crap, than when you see it, you only look for things taht are wrong with it. And develop your opinion based on that.

and that whole comment about the radio having to be changed out has little to do with anything. With most modern cars you would need to swap out the entire radio in order to go after market. Thats hardly a reason to not like a car...

[240ka]

because thats exactly where they are.

Lexus was a new company that was trying to capture the luxury market. Thats precisely what hyundai is trying to do. They are changing their image from what they used to be, to where they are now. Precisely what lexus did during the 90s.

lexus didnt have cars below 10k in their fleet, that doesnt help someones perception of a luxury car maker

My point of it not feeling like a hyundai, was that the sedan didnt feel like the past hyundais they had put out. The interior quality is on a completely different level from what they once were.

I wasnt asking you if you would trade your car for it... I wouldnt trade any of my cars for a coupe... Your question my differing opinion based on the fact i dont own a hyundai? Im a mazda enthusiast. Just because i dont agree with you doesnt mean i have to drive one. I like where hyundai is going, i think that give it another generation, they will be on that affordable luxury level.
brand means nothing to me, a good car is a good car. i buy good cars. i honestly felt maybe i should have waited on purchasing my MS3 until the Gen Coupe came out first to make sure i made the right decision. but was offered a good deal on the MS3 but still had a guilty feeling at the same time.

Gen Coupe finally arrived. i truly didnt want to see the Gen Coupe b/c i was affraid i was going to be upset with my purchase of the MS3. got to the dealership, liked the car from the back and side(started thinking to myself "damn, why did i buy the MS3") got around to the front of the car and wanted to hurl. hate how its wide then tapers in to the side. and what i came to notice was that the front of the car looked like Garfield the Cat.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/12/1811021/images.jpg
http://www.larissameek.com/wp-content/uploads/garfieldchia.jpg
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/15/986238/front.jpg
http://www.dieselupload.com/files/790_b1ped/DSC05295.JPG
http://www.dieselupload.com/files/785_brv3h/DSC05266.JPG
http://www.dieselupload.com/files/800_hnvub/DSC05232.JPG

(hated that even more) but once i sat in the car, that was the deal breaker. interior felt on the cheap side and im not playing that up, the dash looked terrible

You cannot deny that it isnt a solid car (the coupe) because it is. We have all already said its not an infiniti, yet you wont drop that point. The fact remains you are getting great value with this car.

im not denying that hyundai has made some serious strides but the whole point is that youve been saying the Gen Coupe will be cross shopped with the G37. in order for that to happen, the Gen coupe has to be comparable with the G37. and its not. mags get paid to advertise. as said. look at the test between the 335i and G37. on a track, the G37 had the edge on the 335i. in a str8 line the 335i is faster than the G37. people have gotten their stock G37's down to mid 13's. you will not see that from the Gen coupe.

so whats been the point of your arguement then, you are doing a 180 now

I like the design of the MS3 interior better, that doesnt mean that the coupe doesnt have a nice interior. Your obviously looking at these cars with the presumption that it will be crap, than when you see it, you only look for things taht are wrong with it. And develop your opinion based on that.
actaully im not, i had/have high hopes for the Gen Coupe, i have been following it since it was mentioned as a concept. hopefully it lights a fire under nissan to bring the nissan Silvia/240sx back.

back on topic, you stated "If i had closed my eyes I would have thought i was in a lexus and not a hyundai." im sorry but there is no mistaking the Gen Coupes or Sedans interior with that of lexus, infiniti, acura, especially BMW and definitely not Audi. you can look at the pics and seen the difference in quality. so what are you saying here?

and that whole comment about the radio having to be changed out has little to do with anything. With most modern cars you would need to swap out the entire radio in order to go after market. Thats hardly a reason to not like a car...

not actually, mind you i have a 09 MS3. can you say dashkit? i dont have to replace the whole radio console lik eyou do with the Gen coupe

[ConceptVBS]

no one in their right mind is going to cross shop a gen coupe with a g37, 328, 335, a5 or any other lux car in this segment

Well tell that to the 40% of the Genesis sedan owners who traded in their lexus, bmws and mercedes for the Genesis Sedan. Let me try to find that exact links...


EDIT:




Q: Who is buying Genesis?

A: We know that 40% of those buying Genesis have traded in vehicles like Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche. We know what their income levels are, and we are finding that people are gravitating from luxury or near luxury cars to Hyundai; we expect to see numbers of current Hyundai people moving over to Genesis as well. It is a very healthy launch and a commentary on today's environment that consumers see Genesis as competitive against luxury makes.

Q: So most of Genesis buyers are currently from other brands?

A: Right now, 90% of all buyers of Genesis are coming from outside Hyundai.

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=97562


Go to 5:40 sec and see what this other guy says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QObP68Q4X7Q


You dont believe the words because its from Hyundai? Here it is directly from Genesis Sedan owners:

http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=353

[mikeyb]

I stopped at the local Hyundai dealer yesterday to find not one Coupe on the lot. They did have 6 Genesis sedans sitting out back with sold tags in the windshields. And on the front row there were sitting 3 BMWs, 4 Lexus, 2 MBs, and one Infiniti. We all know that they were not traded in for a Electra or Sonata.

[240ka]

and what year were those bmws, lexus's, MB and infiniti. and wouldnt it be a smart strategy for them to have these cars on their lots so people see and think
"wow, someone traded these cars in for hyundais?"

i know if i owned a hyundai dealership, i would have purchased a few other lux marques to sit on my lot to make people think that

[mikeyb]

and what year were those bmws, lexus's, MB and infiniti. and wouldnt it be a smart strategy for them to have these cars on their lots so people see and think
"wow, someone traded these cars in for hyundais?"

i know if i owned a hyundai dealership, i would have purchased a few other lux marques to sit on my lot to make people think that

All under 5 years old. My friend who is the FNI guy said they were all traded in. We need to be done with debating this.

[skylar2ups]

All under 5 years old. My friend who is the FNI guy said they were all traded in. We need to be done with debating this.

It's getting ridiculous... it's not that hard to believe a car maker can make a great car... or two.

[Olestra]

and what year were those bmws, lexus's, MB and infiniti. and wouldnt it be a smart strategy for them to have these cars on their lots so people see and think
"wow, someone traded these cars in for hyundais?"

i know if i owned a hyundai dealership, i would have purchased a few other lux marques to sit on my lot to make people think that

Just can't let it go.
The Genesis came at the most ideal time. With people feeling financially squeezed, they want the luxury without the high price tag.

[CHICO2003]

One can speculate as to what types of people are buying the Genesis but facts are facts. While I don't think 1 dealership is really enough to go by, it's certainly better than nothing.

For the record though, my feeling has always been there are basically 2 types of BMW, MB, etc buyers. Those that are buying, in part, for the prestige of owning that marque and wouldn't be caught dead in anything less... and those that are buying because those brands (until now perhaps) were the only ones to offer the combination of things they were most interested in. Say what you want about those cars... Pricey, snobbish, unreliable... they do what they're meant to do (look/drive good with unparalleled fit and finish and luxurious touches) So one thing they're not is is over-rated.

The first group of buyers obviously won't be looking at a 'Hyundai'. If money's tight, they'd be more likely to buy a pre-owned BMW/MB at or below the price of a new Genesis sedan. But for those that were buying those cars for more 'legitimate' reasons... the Genesis is a pretty compelling option. Obviously it's not quite up to par with those it purports to compete with... but it's a lot closer than its price suggests it should be. Having recently driven one, I came away extremely impressed. It IS lacking an identity though. The lack of a badge on the grille is rather strange. Hyundai needs to pick a side. If they want to build up the Hyundai name they should be proud of the symbol and prominently display it. So what if it may still have some negative connotations. The only way to change that is to tackle it head on. Conversely, leaving the badge off gives people (at least me) the impression that they're ashamed of it and want to hide the fact. Maybe that's too strong... Giving them the benefit of the doubt, the lack of a badge on the grille may have more to do with them wanting to eliminate any 'false' perceptions by on-lookers. But even still, A badge of some kind would've worked better than nothing at all. Maybe a classy 'G' for Genesis... idk, the lack of a badge just seems cheesy to me. Too Kia Optima or wtf that car was.

[coolmazda5]

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, the lack of a badge on the grille may have more to do with them wanting to eliminate any 'false' perceptions by on-lookers. But even still, A badge of some kind would've worked better than nothing at all. Maybe a classy 'G' for Genesis... idk, the lack of a badge just seems cheesy to me. Too Kia Optima or wtf that car was.

Yeah, I have the same thoughts, but hey, if it sells, it sells (as we can see)

It reminds me of the Hyundai Equus thread. That car does not have any traditional Hyundai badges at all:


Alot of genesis owners are swapping out the US badges for the KDM "winged" badges on the trunk, centercaps, and steering wheel.




This one, right?

http://www.the-genesis.co.kr/image/logo.jpg

Might be a clever marketing ploy, so out of the 3 "new-new" Hyundai face models, Genesis Sedan, Genesis Coupe and Equus, only the Coupe keeps the original Hyundai "H" badge. The Equus badge is very unique too (like a stretched "U")