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mikeyb
03-05-2009, 01:03 AM
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Pontiac faces a tenuous future as General Motors restructures its many fiefdoms. The automaker has said the brand once known for excitement won’t be dragged out behind the barn anytime soon, so expect Pontiac to atrophy towards a purveyor of niche vehicles outside the core lineups of Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick, and GMC. The rear-wheel-drive Solstice roadster (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/roadster_roundup/call_it_the_lutz_car_news), which entered service for 2006 and received a shot in the arm the next year in the form of the GXP (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/sports_car_central/2007_pontiac_solstice_gxp_road_test) model and its 260-hp turbocharged 2.0-liter Ecotec four, is a good example of those niche vehicles.
Although we favored Mazda’s delightful MX-5 Miata over the base Solstice in a head-to-head comparison test (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/convertibles/2006_mazda_mx_5_miata_vs_pontiac_solstice_comparis on_test), American consumers have gobbled up enough of the Pontiacs to make the Solstice the best-selling roadster in the U.S. over the past three full calendar years. Now GM is expanding the range with a coupe (http://www.caranddriver.com/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_auto_show_new_york_international_aut o_show_nyias_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_solstice_coupe_auto_shows) variant, which promises to be more practical—and even more handsomely styled—than the roadster.



Say Goodbye to the Sun
Both the Solstice coupe and roadster concepts (http://www.caranddriver.com/news/auto_shows/2002_chicago_auto_show_auto_shows/appearing/pontiac_solstice_auto_shows)were unveiled at the 2002 Detroit auto show, and Pontiac says the closed-roof model was always part of the product plan. Overall changes between the two body styles are minimal, with both versions sharing the same equipment, powertrains, and body panels, except for the coupe’s sloping rear hatch and new taillights, of course. An aluminum roof bow is the primary structural modification, which also allows for a four-inch-lower load floor and 5.6 cu ft of cargo space versus the roadster’s 5.4 top-up figure.



While the new coupe does feature a removable targa roof panel, similar to the Corvette, the most-noticeable result of putting a lid on the roadster’s already snug confines is a small, dark cabin with terrible sightlines in almost every direction. Forward vision is compromised by GM’s bulky, OnStar-equipped rearview mirror, while the car’s high beltline and low roof make for cartoonishly small side windows. Things aren’t much better in the rear, as the coupe’s shapely tail results in large blind spots. And the small, high-mounted glass hatch is both hard to see out of—especially with anything larger than a backpack onboard—and difficult to load gear into. On the plus side, cargo is more secure than it is in the roadster.
Removing the 31-pound magnesium and plastic roof section, a task one person can manage, makes being in the cabin less depressing—and the car looks good with its lid off, too. However, it’s too large to be kept in the car. GM’s parts unit offers a removable softtop assembly, but it takes up precious room in the cargo area, costs $1100, and requires a good deal of effort to assemble and finesse into place. We’d recommend just checking the weather report before setting out. Leaving the targa roof in place also hides the Solstice’s sorely underwhelming interior, complete with hard plastics, ultra-cushy seats with the lateral support of wet cardboard, and limited room for six-footers.



New Duds, Same Character
Base Solstice coupes start at $26,845 and GXP models begin at $30,995, a premium of about $2000 and $1000 over the corresponding roadsters. For 2009, all Solstices come standard with ABS, electronic stability control, Bluetooth connectivity, a limited-slip differential, and revised 18-inch wheels. Nearly every specification for the coupe mirrors that of the convertible, yet compared with the last GXP roadster we evaluated in 2007, our GXP hardtop was four-tenths quicker to 60 mph at 5.2 seconds, faster through the quarter mile (13.7 seconds at 102 mph versus 14.2 at 98), and managed 0.87 g around the skidpad against 0.85 g for the open-top car.
Our observed fuel economy of 23 mpg also was better than the roadster’s 18 mpg, yet braking from 70 mph was slightly worse: 176 feet to the roadster’s 170. Both vehicles were fitted with the standard five-speed manual transmission. A five-speed automatic is a $995 option, but the manual better suits the character of the Solstice, even if it could benefit from closer ratios, a more precise shifter, and a sixth gear. The weight difference between the two cars is negligible, with the coupe just 49 pounds heavier according to our scales.
Away from the test track, the coupe adopts the roadster’s soft, highway-friendly suspension tuning, vague steering, and twitchy handling. Replacing the underperforming Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-2 tires with more aggressive rubber likely would boost a driver’s confidence at the limit—as would the optional $1095 Club Sport package and its revised suspension and steering hardware. But we think your money would be better spent on the GM Performance power upgrade (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/american_performance/dealer_installed_performance_option_for_pontiac_so lstice_gxp_the_saturn_sky_red_line_and_chevy_hhr_s s_car_news), which nets an ECU reflash and a new manifold-air-pressure sensor for $650, plus installation. It’s good for 290 hp and 340 lb-ft of torque, gains of 30 hp and 80 lb-ft over the stock GXP. However, Pontiac says the modification must be performed during the delivery of a new car in order to retain the standard five-year/100,000-mile powertrain warranty. Installing the kit afterwards knocks the coverage down to one year/12,000 miles or the remainder of the three-year/36,000-mile new-vehicle warranty, whichever is longer.
With its new roof, the Solstice coupe is very good-looking—we named it one of the top 10 most beautiful cars for ’09 (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_worst_lists/top_10_most_beautiful_cars_for_2009_feature). The styling, though, is probably the biggest reason to choose one over a Miata equipped with the optional power retractable hardtop. The Miata, after all, is arguably as secure as the Solstice coupe, offers more usable space, and is far more rewarding to drive. Still, the GXP offers a lot more thrust for your dollar than the Mazda, and this new coupe can perhaps provide a bit of a boost to the Solstice’s sales figures, which have nose-dived over the past year. So the Solstice still falls short of sports-car bliss, but we’re interested in seeing how much the optional power upgrade sweetens the deal—somebody get Pontiac on the phone.

Specifications

VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 2-passenger coupe

PRICE AS TESTED: $32,095 (base price: $30,995)

ENGINE TYPE: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 122 cu in, 1998cc
Power (SAE net): 260 bhp @ 5300 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 260 lb-ft @ 5300 rpm

TRANSMISSION: 5-speed manual

DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 95.1 in Length: 157.2 in Width: 71.3 in Height: 50.9 in
Curb weight: 3080 lb

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 24.1 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.7 sec @ 102 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 176 ft
Roadholding, 200-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g
FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city/highway driving: 19/28 mpg
C/D observed: 23 mpg

seanmcsean
03-15-2009, 09:24 AM
I really don't like it.. The sky is by far the more attractive one of the twins.

Donas64
03-15-2009, 09:57 AM
I really don't like it.. The sky is by far the more attractive one of the twins.

The sky looks more modern, the Solstice looks more retro & curvaceous.

I always like the Sky more in pics but in the flesh, I think the solstice looks sexier.

TinmanMS6
03-15-2009, 11:22 AM
I really don't like it.. The sky is by far the more attractive one of the twins.

Strongly disagree. The Sky has a lot of unnecessary chrome and looks like shit IMO.

ZoomZoomH
03-15-2009, 11:26 AM
the 10 year-old-and-simplistic S2000 design > both Sky and Solstice

seanmcsean
03-15-2009, 12:43 PM
I with you Hank. If I had 30 grand, I wouldn't be spending it on a roadster from GM, that's for damn sure.

I probably wouldn't be buying the honda, either.

tunersteve
03-15-2009, 03:19 PM
Miata > s2000 > sky > solstice IMO.

This is a last ditch attempt to sell more cars. Not a fan at all, and it just proves that the chassis wasn't that capable and not worth much off the bat. It was rushed to production and never really got it right. With Pontiac and Saturn struggling bad, I'd still take the Sky, but they both are competing in something that's the equivalent of the Special Olympics..

Sorry, just ranting about a product that doesn't do anything for me.

Rotary_Powered
03-15-2009, 03:40 PM
IMO the GXP coupe looks brilliant! I love it. Get the GM stage 2! :)

my3needsaname
03-15-2009, 03:48 PM
...anyone notice how saggy and loose the leather is on the ass of the seats?

KronixKid22
03-15-2009, 03:53 PM
...anyone notice how saggy and loose the leather is on the ass of the seats?

Was thinking that also... cheap.

my3needsaname
03-15-2009, 04:02 PM
Was thinking that also... cheap.
(lol2) massive...(notcool)

mikeyb
03-16-2009, 09:38 AM
...anyone notice how saggy and loose the leather is on the ass of the seats?

From my experience with leather seating that is common when fatasses sit on leather.


I would take one with a LS6 under the hood.

BlackCherry06
03-16-2009, 09:42 AM
You know you have problems in the design department when your car has a removable roof panel that won't fit in the car. F-A-I-L.

mikeyb
03-16-2009, 09:48 AM
You know you have problems in the design department when your car has a removable roof panel that won't fit in the car. F-A-I-L.

The roadster's top does not even fit well either.

STLBLKMSP
03-16-2009, 01:59 PM
I'm thinking thwy should have made it a t-top instead of a targa top. Then they might have been able to fit them in the back. Then you wouldn't have any luggage space.

mikeyb
03-16-2009, 03:55 PM
I'm thinking thwy should have made it a t-top instead of a targa top. Then they might have been able to fit them in the back. Then you wouldn't have any luggage space.

Oh god someone else that wants T-Tops....hehe...I see what you are saying.

BlackCherry06
03-16-2009, 04:15 PM
As a child of the 80's I gotta say....T-Tops will ALWAYS be cool!!!

R.I.P. Cutlass, Grand Pris, Regal & Monte Carlo, Corvette, Camaro, Trans Am, Mustang, & the rest that sported the "T" at one time in their lives. Some are long dead, some soldier on with no "T". Booooo!

Donas64
03-16-2009, 05:01 PM
the 10 year-old-and-simplistic S2000 design > both Sky and Solstice

I hate to say it but I agree. I really like the tweaks Mazda made to the 2009 MX-5. Toughened it up a little. Now they just need to stop playing around and put the 2.3 DISI in there and proceed to whoop all sorts of behind!

http://www.yosax.com/car_images/2009-mazda-mx5-miata.jpg

my3needsaname
03-16-2009, 07:18 PM
From my experience with leather seating that is common when fatasses sit on leather.
lol but those guys were not fat. It's just GM quality...

mikeyb
03-16-2009, 07:55 PM
lol but those guys were not fat. It's just GM quality...

No these MT guys were not fat but you have to remember this is a press car and it has been handed around to every auto mag and beat on. There are 6 newer GM products that all have leather seating in my family and not one of them is doing that.

TinmanMS6
03-16-2009, 07:59 PM
No these MT guys were not fat but you have to remember this is a press car and it has been handed around to every auto mag and beat on. There are 6 newer GM products that all have leather seating in my family and not one of them is doing that.

Troof. Manufacturer test vehicles get passed around, and usually not gently either. My Avalanche had pretty decent leather.

my3needsaname
03-16-2009, 08:41 PM
No these MT guys were not fat but you have to remember this is a press car and it has been handed around to every auto mag and beat on. There are 6 newer GM products that all have leather seating in my family and not one of them is doing that.
True but the Solstice was never the "top pick" in GM for quality.

mikeyb
03-16-2009, 08:54 PM
True but the Solstice was never the "top pick" in GM for quality.

One of the cars is a sky.

my3needsaname
03-16-2009, 09:08 PM
One of the cars is a sky.
That's a big car! As big as the sky! (lol2)

altspace
03-17-2009, 04:28 PM
After seeing this car in person, I was quite pleased with it's shape over the soft top version.