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Kymerik
02-25-2009, 04:45 PM
A car like Ford Focus RS would never have been conceived in these times. It's an overhang of the years of optimism that suddenly terminated last fall. Look at the size of the RS's twin tailpipes, exhaling like storm drains from the rear bumper. See the giant gills gulping air to the intercooler below the front license plate. Check the swollen wheel arches, the ground-hugging stance, the 19-inch wheels and the rear spoiler like a bomber's wingspan.

So let us, the car-lovers of the world, offer collective thanksgivings that Ford has made the very apex of hot hatches into such a life-affirmingly brilliant machine as its Focus RS.

We've covered the engineering before, so let's jump-cut to the way it feels down the road. We're in a second-gear corner, a tight mountain uphill 90-right. We throw the car in, its stability reassuring under the wheel-filling brakes, and feel the high-geared steering take a bite out of the curve. The tire grip is way beyond conventional hot-hatchback levels, but that's not the really astonishing part. The really special part is what comes next, on the exit of the curve.

We squeeze the aluminum throttle pedal and the engine takes a giant lungful, hurling us under the impulsion of the 305-hp, 2.5L five-cylinder motor's 325 lb-ft of torque, available with little lag from well below 3000 rpm. The limited-slip differential does its job of keeping both tires biting, and the patented front suspension geometry suppresses the torque steer. The little Focus just careers out of the bend with startling fairground-ride physicality. As the revs climb to the sound of an intense five-cylinder thrum we grab the next gear and loose off an explosion of waste-gate flutter. Honestly the way it gets its power down, you could almost swear there's AWD at work here.

Fast driving in the Focus RS isn't subtle, but boy is it exhilarating. The combination of comparatively narrow body, upright seating position, brutal traction, low gear ratios and accessible turbo-boosted torque means you can demolish a narrow mountain road with a kind of confidence that would leave most supercars and their drivers in your dust.

Your confidence comes from the simply amazing handling. Even with such a pointy turn-in, all four tires share the workload mid-bend. At full lateral g, if the ESP's off, you can back off and get a beautifully progressive and catchable loosening of the tail. With the ESP switched on, throttle-steering games are still there to be played.

So much for the curves. Even in a straight line, the performance is pretty wild for a hatch. The boost starts at little over 2000 rpm and by 3000 lag isn't an issue. The management allows 7000 rpm for a three-second burst, but actually the gears are closely enough stacked that you have no need to go there except for the mad joy of it. The trick is to change up early and flow on the torque curve - at high revs the throttle resoponse, especially to a lift, is almost too brutal.

From rest you can hit 62 mph in 5.9 seconds, and that's a conservative European figure, measured with no drag-strip one-foot rollout. Top speed is a claimed 164 mph, and remember, this isn't a low-drag slipstreamer: Ford says it's a high 0.38Cd, for zero lift.

You're clamped by the bolsters of a near-race-style Recaro bucket seat, and you in turn are obliged to keep a tight grip of the steering wheel. The patent front suspension uses a pivoted hub to try to reduce the rotational leverage imposed by the tire contact patches on the steering axis, and thereby lowers the torque-steer force. It does a good job, reducing but definitely not eliminating the fight of the steering wheel as you accelerate on non-smooth roads. With so much torque available, any better than that would need magic. But the RS has better steering manners than a MazdaSpeed3 while generating performance and grip in another league.

As a full-on crazymobile then, the RS hits the mark perfectly. But here's another surprise. You can live with it too. Its ride is no more rugged than, say, a sports-suspended Audi A3. None of the control efforts is high, and tire and wind noise are properly suppressed. No, the cabin material quality isn't as satisfying as a Volkswagen GTI, but it's a league ahead of the Imprezas and Evos of this world. The huge front seats don't cut into rear-seat space or visibility much. It runs 12,000-mile oil changes.

Of course it will not have escaped your notice that this is the European Focus, and as such is unsupported by Ford for sale or use in the United States. And the tragedy is there's unlikely to be anything like it when the European and American divisions converge upon a common next-gen Focus from 2010.

We don't yet know whether any European hire fleets will have the Focus RS, but if they do, you should get yourself on the first plane out.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/17027719/112_0902_08z+2010_ford_focus_RS+front_three_quarte rs_view.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/17027725/112_0902_07z+2010_ford_focus_RS+rear_three_quarter s_view.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/17027728/112_0902_01z+2010_ford_focus_RS+side_view.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/17027740/112_0902_04z+2010_ford_focus_RS+front_view.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/17027755/112_0902_20z+2010_ford_focus_RS+rear_view.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/17027776/112_0902_15z+2010_ford_focus_RS+interior_view.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/17859735/112_0902_14z+2010_ford_focus_RS+engine.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/17027785/112_0902_16z+2010_ford_focus_RS+cockpit.jpg

Source: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/112_0902_2010_ford_focus_first_drive/photo_21.html

andrew.savage
02-25-2009, 05:55 PM
Wow....simply awesome.

DaleNixon
02-25-2009, 06:09 PM
Bad ass. I guess we'll never see it here since it would destroy a Mustang GT! Edit: Nevermind I'm seeing 4.9 seconds for the 2010 GT. Is that right?

Kymerik
02-25-2009, 06:10 PM
We wont see it until the Mustang gets the new 5L (maybe) and the v6 ecoboost

EMPIRE
02-25-2009, 06:35 PM
Not a fan of ford but not a bad vehicle

ms6acton
02-25-2009, 07:00 PM
i like it in blue (:

redheaddstpch1d
02-25-2009, 07:08 PM
Looks way too much like an Evo X but I still like it.

ms6acton
02-25-2009, 07:09 PM
Looks way too much like an Evo X but I still like it.

nothing wrong with looking like an evo x

spike blue
02-25-2009, 08:39 PM
if those car sell here Ford would never be in financial crisis come Ford bring back home the bad ass cars

ms6acton
02-25-2009, 09:03 PM
if those car sell here Ford would never be in financial crisis come Ford bring back home the bad ass cars

+1

Flash5
02-25-2009, 10:31 PM
sick car!

mikeyb
02-26-2009, 10:44 AM
I do not know why Motor Trend is calling this RS an 2010 when every other article I read its a 2009.

2009 Focus RS thread.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123730855

mikeyb
02-26-2009, 10:46 AM
Fifth Gear test drive video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdAGKNogdAw&eurl=http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/25/video-fifth-gear-wrings-out-fords-new-300-hp-focus-rs/&feature=player_embedded

mikeyb
02-26-2009, 12:20 PM
if those car sell here Ford would never be in financial crisis come Ford bring back home the bad ass cars

This would be a low volume production vehicle so I do not see it keeping Ford out of financial crisis.

Donas64
02-26-2009, 12:35 PM
This would be a low volume production vehicle so I do not see it keeping Ford out of financial crisis.

Not by iteself. But while we got the wobegone taurus, europe got the sportier mondeo.

I guess what I'm saying is ford has given NA it's castoff forever keeping the good stuff abrad. Having that stuff here would have given them a fighting change.

But what did we want: THE NEW F-150 now with more towing capacity....to tow ......... SUBWOOFERSSS!!!

mikeyb
02-26-2009, 12:52 PM
Do you think NA is ready for a 20K plus Focus?

andrew.savage
02-26-2009, 01:05 PM
Do you think NA is ready for a 20K plus Focus?

Just throw one in as a bonus when you buy the "THE NEW F-150 now with more towing capacity....to tow ......... SUBWOOFERSSS!!!"

(boom07)

NOTSPCY
02-26-2009, 01:11 PM
I want one !!! lol

Kymerik
02-26-2009, 01:25 PM
problem is mikey, the same thing can be said about a Lancer Evo...

Are you really willing to pay 35G for a car that starts out at what, 17k?

happy and angry
02-26-2009, 01:38 PM
People are happily paying ~$24,000 for a Mazdaspeed3. So I don't see why a similarly priced Ford Focus RS wouldn't be attractive to a similar group of buyers.

BayAreaMS3
02-26-2009, 03:40 PM
The MS3 is a close cousin of the Focus RS. Just look under the hood there are plenty of FoMoCo parts in the MS3 engine bay. The difference may just be in the body style. The upcoming 2010 MS3 will most likely be mechanically similar the Focus RS. If the MS3 and the Focus RS were both on U.S shores i'd choose the MS3 given it's 4door configuration.

Kymerik
02-26-2009, 03:44 PM
The MS3 is a close cousin of the Focus RS. Just look under the hood there are plenty of FoMoCo parts in the MS3 engine bay. The difference may just be in the body style. The upcoming 2010 MS3 will most likely be mechanically similar the Focus RS. If the MS3 and the Focus RS were both on U.S shores i'd choose the MS3 given it's 4door configuration.

They're hardly close cousins...

Mazdaspeed3 : 2.3L i4 Turbo DISI motor
Focus RS : 2.5L Volvo T5 Motor

BayAreaMS3
02-26-2009, 03:45 PM
Do we know what engine the new 2010 ms3 will have? Unless the info has already leaked we will have to wait until next week for the Geneva Show.

Kymerik
02-26-2009, 03:48 PM
Do we know what engine the new 2010 ms3 will have? Unless the info has already leaked we will have to wait until next week for the Geneva Show.

you can almost guarantee yourself it wont be a volvo sourced t5 like the focus RS

BayAreaMS3
02-26-2009, 03:51 PM
I just found this source 'mazda 3 revolution. com' Details are scarce but Mazda did confirm that the 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 will pack a more fuel efficient MZR 2.3 DISI Turbo engine under the hood and will make its world debut at the 2009 Geneva Motor Show which takes place between March 3rd - 15th.

happy and angry
02-26-2009, 04:02 PM
It's already confirmed that the 2010 Mazdaspeed3 is going to have the same 2.3 it has now. It probably won't have the RevoKnuckle suspension. It will probably have the same brakes it has now.

Just because FoMoCo is stamped on a bunch of parts doesn't make the cars "close cousins."

mikeyb
02-26-2009, 04:02 PM
What I am saying is the US is not ready for a $20K+ for a regular Euro Focus.

BayAreaMS3
02-26-2009, 04:05 PM
I agree 100%.

happy and angry
02-26-2009, 04:08 PM
The US is already paying almost $20k for a regular Euro Focus in the base Mazda3.

mikeyb
02-26-2009, 04:12 PM
The US is already paying almost $20k for a regular Euro Focus in the base Mazda3.

Not for a Mazda3i Sedan $15,368. Sure if its a loaded up 2.3. But people that are Focus buyers will not even look at a Mazda3. Especially since there are not Mazda dealers in every town like Ford dealers. Where I live I am lucky that the closest Mazda dealer is just minutes away from me. But the next closest dealer is 30 to 45 minutes away.

What am I trying to say is that Americans are not ready to paid over $20K for a premuim small car. Yes Minis sell very well but the buyers of Mini are not they tyical small car buyer.

happy and angry
02-26-2009, 04:29 PM
The Euro Focus, when it's brought over here, isn't going to be priced very different from the current Focus. Or the Mazda3. The sort of relative pricing you see in the UK markets never carries over directly to North American markets. I'm sure a base Focus will be around $15,500, top of the line one right around $18,000, and a loaded one just edging $20,000, same as now. If we get the ST or the RS, I'm sure it'll be priced competitively with the Mazdaspeed3/Cobalt SS and WRX/Lancer Ralliart, respectively. It's not going to be a "premium small car" over here.

Kymerik
02-26-2009, 04:38 PM
Uhm, sorry to correct you but thats ford's idea...to globalize the Focus, Fiesta, Taurus, Fusion and Transit. There will be slightly different emission differences but ford wants to globalize the product to get a better mass quantity discounts from suppliers as well as consolidate their plants so they dont have plants all over the world producing different cars. The only exception seems to be aussieland

mikeyb
02-26-2009, 04:43 PM
The Euro Focus, when it's brought over here, isn't going to be priced very different from the current Focus. Or the Mazda3. The sort of relative pricing you see in the UK markets never carries over directly to North American markets. I'm sure a base Focus will be around $15,500, top of the line one right around $18,000, and a loaded one just edging $20,000, same as now. If we get the ST or the RS, I'm sure it'll be priced competitively with the Mazdaspeed3/Cobalt SS and WRX/Lancer Ralliart, respectively. It's not going to be a "premium small car" over here.

I think the next Focus will cost more because the Fiesta is coming to the US. Ford will have tobump the Focus up in class and pricing just like what Nissan did with the Sentra when the Versa come out.

I think the RS will be closer to $30K when it finally makes it here. I just did a regional search for 09 WRX and Lancer Ralliarts. They are all in the high 20s. The Cobalt SS, MS3s, GTis, Sentra SE-R/Spec-V, and Civic Sis are all in the mid 20s.

ms6acton
02-26-2009, 05:28 PM
if its closer to 30k for u guys, that means itll be closer to 35k if not more for us in canada.. defin wouldnt pick one up then

mikeyb
02-26-2009, 05:29 PM
if its closer to 30k for u guys, that means itll be closer to 35k if not more for us in canada.. defin wouldnt pick one up then

If you up north get it.

ms6acton
02-26-2009, 05:57 PM
yea that porbably a big IF.. stupid canada we get screwed out of all the best cars lol

mikeyb
02-26-2009, 06:04 PM
yea that porbably a big IF.. stupid canada we get screwed out of all the best cars lol

That is not always true. You recieved the euro version of the BMW e36 M3 and the Smart roadster/coupe. You have the Nissan X-Trail which I know is not cool or exciting.

happy and angry
02-26-2009, 06:31 PM
We get basically everything that is sold in the US except for a few models that (generally) don't meet minor technical technical restrictions like 5 mph bumper tests or emissions tests.

I don't think the Fiesta is going to bump the Focus up at all. The Focus is going to remain firmly in the same class as the Civic, Corolla, Mazda 3, etc. The Fiesta is going to slot in beneath it to compete with the Versa/Echo/Fit, etc, other cars that compare in size.

ms6acton
02-26-2009, 06:55 PM
That is not always true. You recieved the euro version of the BMW e36 M3 and the Smart roadster/coupe. You have the Nissan X-Trail which I know is not cool or exciting.

yea but we didnt get any evos til the x :(

Rotary_Powered
02-26-2009, 11:13 PM
They're hardly close cousins...

Mazdaspeed3 : 2.3L i4 Turbo DISI motor
Focus RS : 2.5L Volvo T5 Motor
Both cars are built on the Same platform as the C30.

happy and angry
02-27-2009, 08:52 AM
So what? It's also the same platform as the S40, the V50 and the C70. There are lots of variations in cars on the same platform from suspension setup to brakes to driveline and transmission that completely change the acceleration, braking and handling characteristics.

mikeyb
02-27-2009, 02:23 PM
I don't think the Fiesta is going to bump the Focus up at all. The Focus is going to remain firmly in the same class as the Civic, Corolla, Mazda 3, etc. The Fiesta is going to slot in beneath it to compete with the Versa/Echo/Fit, etc, other cars that compare in size.

Yes the Focus will still compete with the Mazda3, Corolla, Civic, Sentra, Cobalt/G5/Cruze, Lancer, Impreza, Astra, Elantra, and Jetta/Golf. But most of this cars have moved up to the next class to make room for entry level cars in the model range. I think the Focus will move up as well to make room for the Fiesta. So we will have to wait and see.