Piasini Tune...where do I get this?

[AutoEuphoria]

From reading past threads it seems like there is one member of this forum somewhere in NY that does this flash...is this the only place you can have this done, or what? I want to do this because I've heard a lot of great things about it, and I'm not looking to go all out (no need for StandBack) and I PERSONALLY didn't have good results with the AP, mainly because I wasn't running the exact parts the tune called for.

So, where do I get the Piasini Flash?

[bykeryder4life]

the guy goes under the name NYPest or something like that so find a post by him and send him a pm. Then you will send your ecu out to him to be flashed and sent back.

[scatt nasty]

I wouldn't get this done personally, you don't have much support. I think the company is based out of Italy ? or somewhere in Europe.

[Circle9]

But the gains are said to be good....

[08cosmic3]

I've been leaning toward this flash also.

[Cue]

I wouldn't get this done personally, you don't have much support. I think the company is based out of Italy ? or somewhere in Europe.

On the other forum, there were 2 guys that had this done, plus a Piasini associate that couldn't provide much support on thier product. All they would do is come on the site, hype the shit up, but when it came time to log specific parameters, they kept throwing excuses at us and wouldn't show. The logs they did show didn't tell us much...

I'm sure they're still having problems with knock too, cause they refused, and gave every little excuse not to to show the knock logs. And when they finally did, the log was from 1st to 2nd only. When we asked for full throttle log of 2nd to 4th, more excuses came out. And now these guys all of a sudden disapeared from the site and won't respond. The log they did have showed there AFRs running in the low 9's.

I wouldn't do it.... not until they can show the people what they want to see.

[scatt nasty]

On the other forum, there were 2 guys that had this done, plus a Piasini associate that couldn't provide much support on thier product. All they would do is come on the site, hype the shit up, but when it came time to log specific parameters, they kept throwing excuses at us and wouldn't show. The logs they did show didn't tell us much...

I'm sure they're still having problems with knock too, cause they refused, and gave every little excuse not to to show the knock logs. And when they finally did, the log was from 1st to 2nd only. When we asked for full throttle log of 2nd to 4th, more excuses came out. And now these guys all of a sudden disapeared from the site and won't respond. The log they did have showed there AFRs running in the low 9's.

I wouldn't do it.... not until they can show the people what they want to see.

True that. The entire situation is shady. Lol, the fact that you have to mail off your ecu to whothefuckknows was enough for me to say HA nothx.

[derspi]

Aside from the MAJOR inconvenience of sending them your ECU, they do not seem to have much, if any, means of support. This type of outfit seems very similar to another company I dealt with on one of my previous cars. The distributor was in Alberta but all the work and R&D gets done in Holland. Same deal - send them your ECU, they flash it and they send it back. Any problems or need to go back to stock? Do it all over again. Luckily, I had no problems back then but it's quite apparent that you're at their complete mercy if anything goes wrong.

I know some ppl have been disappointed with the AP but I really see it as a no brainer. It's having the best of both worlds and with the ProTuner, owners can tune to their heart's delight (and possibly to their motor's demise).

[bykeryder4life]

I do not have the flash so I cannot speak from experience, but, each and every person who has had the flash done on their car was very pleased with it and their car runs very well to date. Nobody has blown on their tune...as opposed to other tunes available. As you mod more they can upgrade the flash and keep your car running properly. Yes, they do not have much support and they are located in italy so that really sucks and is a bad business move on their part. I believe there's alot of australian guys who have the flash and a guy over there can do them and give support as well....

[240ka]

the tune adjust to mods just like the stock tune does

[bykeryder4life]

only to a certain point though, but yes you are fully correct.

[derspi]

It's not the tune adjusting to the mods, it's the ECU - I don't think this is something unique to their flash but someone correct me if I'm wrong. And like bykeryder4life mentioned, the ECU can only adjust up to a certain point. I'm sure they can adjust the tune as you modify more but how is that ANY different from what Cobb & CPE already offer? So if I were to add an intake in March and then decide to go with an FMIC a couple of months after that, that means I'd have to ship my ECU out to them twice and be w/o a car for several days up to a week at a time? Why in the hell would I want to put up with that? It's not like they're gods and can pull another 100 WHP over a comparable map from Cobb or CPE.

Maybe it's a great flash but certainly not enough ppl in North America have tried it for us to know. It's really a numbers game - I'm sure there are many more ppl in the US that have a Cobb or CPE tune than the Piasani tune so it's pretty obvious there will also be more complaints and/or problems as each and every car reacts differently.

[bykeryder4life]

very true very true. touche'

[240ka]

If I read correctly when reading about this flash, I thought I read it adjust to all bolt ons so there would be nno need to ship the ecu out again after geting certain bolts like you would have to change maps with the ap

[SuperStretch18]

If I read correctly when reading about this flash, I thought I read it adjust to all bolt ons so there would be nno need to ship the ecu out again after geting certain bolts like you would have to change maps with the ap

I just don't see how that is possible. And again, where is the proof to back this up? I know that there are some users that have fully bolted on after the flash and they all have good things to report. But from what I can tell, they are all local to NY. I find it hard to believe that the tune will behave the same in a Florida summer or in an Alaska winter or at altitude in Colorado.

Maybe it does, but I just don't see how. The fact that the reps don't seem to want to explain it any better doesn't help the matter. If I was still local to Long Island and could physically go "shake the tree" I might view this as more of a viable option. I'm not though, so it's not even on my radar. I also think that any Aussie users should keep this as a viable option, because the OZ rep knows his shit and is actually quite helpful. Just my .02 cents...

[AutoEuphoria]

OK, nevermind then :( Thank you for the heads up, everyone.

[MSMS3]

When some respected member of this forum posts dyno runs and complete data logs, like everybody is doing with the other tunes, then I might give it some credence.

One of those guys hawking the tune claimed that the tune alone would make our KO-4 turbos produce inceasing power all the way to redline when dyno after dyno, regardless of mods, shows the stock turbo running out of steam at 5,500 rpm and then producing more heat than power as rpm increases beyond that point. Given the size of our turbo housing and compressor outlet and the maximum volume of air it can move, that is a physical impossibility.

Their present credibility with me is -- zero.

[wisniaPl]

logs and stuff are on other forum i have my tune and I couldnt be happeir nypest is making 285whp and 315 torq with sri, tmic, and flash show my other car that is making that much power with only 2 mods guys that are fully bolted with ap are mkaing less ,and yes he is not using dyno jet.....and yes it helps to keep open throttle plate till redline

[Bravnik]

Wow - If you actually think a single flash fits all then you guys need to buy that electric supercharger on Ebay. Seriously.

The Piasini has shown to give a decent result to a minor bolt-on car. As you add mods the flash is NOT going to learn them and adjust. Your boost will drop and so will your power. That would imply its a living and learning flash which CAN'T be the case as a flash simply changes variables on the ECU and does not implant a computer or living organism that is alive.

Besides, NyPest does not even come to the forums anymore, answer e-mail or PM's. Why would you want to trust your ECU to someone like that. Not to mention $550 for it and I heard he quoted someone $800 at some point.

You can simply get an MBC for $30 and a Map Clamp and get the same result. Only when you start losing boost as you add mods you can turn up the nob to get it back.

Seriously guys. That Electric Supercharger is just what you need 0.o

Oh and WisniaPL - Dyno's can show a LOT of different things and numbers. He could simply be on a very friendly Dyno. There is NOBODY else reporting numbers close to his. What are YOU putting down with your Flash? I personally call total BS on his numbers.

[wisniaPl]

Wow - If you actually think a single flash fits all then you guys need to buy that electric supercharger on Ebay. Seriously.

The Piasini has shown to give a decent result to a minor bolt-on car. As you add mods the flash is NOT going to learn them and adjust. Your boost will drop and so will your power. That would imply its a living and learning flash which CAN'T be the case as a flash simply changes variables on the ECU and does not implant a computer or living organism that is alive.

Besides, NyPest does not even come to the forums anymore, answer e-mail or PM's. Why would you want to trust your ECU to someone like that. Not to mention $550 for it and I heard he quoted someone $800 at some point.

You can simply get an MBC for $30 and a Map Clamp and get the same result. Only when you start losing boost as you add mods you can turn up the nob to get it back.
btw darksun is using the same dyno so its not favorable
Seriously guys. That Electric Supercharger is just what you need 0.o

Oh and WisniaPL - Dyno's can show a LOT of different things and numbers. He could simply be on a very friendly Dyno. There is NOBODY else reporting numbers close to his. What are YOU putting down with your Flash? I personally call total BS on his numbers.

I was going to a dyno day last saturday but instead i went to my fiances sister wedding you can feel diff after flash when driving......I will do dyno as soon as i install dp and show comparsion same dyno that i went before....I was going to do dyno with the same mods and flash but i instaled fmic and i dont want to take it off and instal again..... best way to reach him is to call him....they thing is that piasini flash is not advertized at all...lokk for first threads when they didnt have gus n us and you ahd to sen ecu to itly they showed dyno graphs they gained around 30hp over stock...to each his own

[MSMS3]

logs and stuff are on other forum i have my tune and I couldnt be happeir nypest is making 285whp and 315 torq with sri, tmic, and flash show my other car that is making that much power with only 2 mods guys that are fully bolted with ap are mkaing less ,and yes he is not using dyno jet.....and yes it helps to keep open throttle plate till redline

Post them here. We want to evaluate them as a group. There are open throttle to redline fixes with other products. That does not, IMHO, change the inherent limitations of the stock turbo, or increase usable power, as dyno runs on those WOT mods have shown. Show us something we can get our teeth into.

More importantly, we will want to see this tune placed on a well-respected member's car with before and after dyno runs from a dyno being used by other members of this group, and we want to see full data logging. Standback and AP have done that and valid comparisons can be made, benefits and limitations compared. Otherwise, it's just talk and lacks credibility.

I'm betting that claims are exaggerated and not repeatable on MS3's owned by regular members of this group. Show us we are wrong or simply fade away. Do these things, do the well, and we will love you and respond with the $$$.

Product vendors have too be prepared to put up or -- well you know the rest.

[MSMS3]

I was going to a dyno day last saturday but instead i went to my fiances sister wedding you can feel diff after flash when driving......I will do dyno as soon as i install dp and show comparsion same dyno that i went before....I was going to do dyno with the same mods and flash but i instaled fmic and i dont want to take it off and instal again..... best way to reach him is to call him....they thing is that piasini flash is not advertized at all...lokk for first threads when they didnt have gus n us and you ahd to sen ecu to itly they showed dyno graphs they gained around 30hp over stock...to each his own

Question: Are you still beating the shit out of modded Sti's (300 whp) from a dig while shifting at 7,000 rpm in your lightly modded Pisiani tuned MS3, as you declared in another thread here?

[wisniaPl]

Question: Are you still beating the shit out of modded Sti's (300 whp) from a dig while shifting at 7,000 rpm in your lightly modded Pisiani tuned MS3, as you declared in another thread here?

yes and not 7k rpm but till redline around 6,800 when i was shifting at 5,5k car had power but it was losing top end so that when sti was passing me bye, and it wasnt from a dig!! read carefully i never stated that you just trying to make me look stupid thats why i dont come to this forum to often its full of (stfu).... I will do vids next time have talk to Phil(sti owner) to make new race..... my car is not mild tuned thx to nypes i got the most agresive tune from all people that he sold it to i dont have rev limiter and my bost is set higher as other people had too and other things are switched around....Im local so if i need something i have 10 mins to meet him. I have tune that he was testing on his car.....dont fell like searching post about piasini almost from 8months ago that they show stock and after flash dyno.... im not selling it!! Iwill post my dyno charts after dp and meth instal .... and before with mods that i have now..... but till then i have to save some money ...college life

[240ka]

Question: Are you still beating the shit out of modded Sti's (300 whp) from a dig while shifting at 7,000 rpm in your lightly modded Pisiani tuned MS3, as you declared in another thread here?

nypest if i remember correctly said that.

[wisniaPl]

an only bolt on im missing are dp and meth(which are in my room next to me ready to instal) so propably more likely medium moded(spank)
I will try to get logs and dyno chart from nypest...Im not gona win with crowd 1 (me)vs many more you want to and you are local hit me up I will be happy to demonstrate you how car feels after tune ,come for test drive

[Cue]

Iwill post my dyno charts after dp and meth instal .... and before with mods that i have now..... but till then i have to save some money ...college life

There's always some reason to buy more time... always... The Piasini tune has lost all credibility for me. I'm sure eventually, eventually,this tune will be good and what everyone wants... but please don't say "I told you so" when it finally does... cause there's no way in hell it's ready now.... I'm callin' bullshit as well....

[wisniaPl]

There's always some reason to buy more time... always... The Piasini tune has lost all credibility for me. I'm sure eventually, eventually,this tune will be good and what everyone wants... but please don't say "I told you so" when it finally does... cause there's no way in hell it's ready now.... I'm callin' bullshit as well....

no buying time i just dont have money i rather save that 70 on my dp instal than go to dyno as i said fell free to come around and test drive my car

[wisniaPl]

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/wisnia628/datalog1.jpg

old data log that i found ...I believe that Nypest did it but im not sure that it was his or one of the customers cars...it was on other forum ...this forum sucks cant even post links to other sites.....

[Cue]

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/wisnia628/datalog1.jpg

old data log that i found ...I believe that Nypest did it but im not sure that it was his or one of the customers cars...it was on other forum ...this forum sucks cant even post links to other sites.....

... couple comments...

- of course another '1 gear log'...
- looks as though you pulled this one gear in a matter of 100 seconds??!?!
- 'rpm' is highlited on the left, and 79.8 is highlited on the right... with no cursor

is this photoshopped???

Here's my log with a standback... no boost cause my CX7 is map clamped and won't show accurate boost through the ODBII port (Dashhawk)

Times match at the bottom, and I'm showing all 4 gears....

ANYONE ELSE WANT ANY OTHER LOGS WITH THE STANDBACK, I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO PROVIDE. NAME WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE, I WILL PROVIDE. I DON'T HAVE DP AND WON'T WAIT TO LOG MORE STUFF FOR YOU AND I WILL STILL PROVIDE.... (Fully bolted CX-7 (no downpipe) with CP-E Standback)

Now why can't Piasini give anything more than your 1 gear log that took you 100 seconds to run???

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd334/VMS_Cue/917-H94Run1.png

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd334/VMS_Cue/1432_9818.png

[Cue]

Your move wisniaPI... Prove us all wrong!!

[wisniaPl]

this og was done at the dyno when he got 284 whpa and 302wtq copy of the post

"Went back to the dyno yesterday since the temp was very similar to the first dyno day had the car leaned out a little more

284WHP /302TQ

same mods same dyno"( hks sri, autoexe tmic, speedy inlet, mazdaspeed cbe)
same dyno that darksun was using

as i said cant wi with people that are sceptic......

[Cue]

Compare the Piasini log with my Standback log (page 2)... the top and bottom timeline should match up, his don't... this has to be a photoshop job on the piasini log.... someone please correct me if im wrong!!

[wisniaPl]

Compare the Piasini log with my Standback log (page 2)... the top and bottom timeline should match up, his don't... this has to be a photoshop job on the piasini log.... someone please correct me if im wrong!!

why he would phototshop log?? wtf(rofl)

[derspi]

^^

Yeah, photoshopping a dyno pull would be quite pathetic but then so is showing a dyno log of a 1-gear pull...(not meant to poke at you bcoz you're just the messenger)

[Cue]

^^

Yeah, photoshopping a dyno pull would be quite pathetic but then so is showing a dyno log of a 1-gear pull...(not meant to poke at you bcoz you're just the messenger)

Honestly.... something, a couple things, don't look right with the log...

[wisniaPl]

Honestly.... something, a couple things, don't look right with the log...
w
seriously get a live you trying to prove ho SB is awesome because you using one...same here and same with cobb users....

[240ka]

Compare the Piasini log with my Standback log (page 2)... the top and bottom timeline should match up, his don't... this has to be a photoshop job on the piasini log.... someone please correct me if im wrong!!

dude, you cant be serious. a photoshopped log?

this is the reason why im considering the tune over the AP.

less mods and tune, equaling as moch or more power than the next car running AP and more bolt ons.

only thing im worried about is shipping my ECU and getting it back in one piece. especially with NYpest not being on often

[Cue]

I ain't trying to hype the standback over anything just cause I got it. I've said this before and in other forums... if I can see some actual satisfying data, which has yet to happen from many request of a lot of people, I'd totally consider it and support it... same with the Cobb... even with mixed reviews on the Cobb, many being positive, there some actual satisfying data with many users... why can't Piasini deliver this??

[240ka]

because of the amount of users or lack of

people tend to go with trends. and i know a few people who think that everything cobb, hks or whoever, makes is the best whatever when its not so. b/c they are basing it off of their name

just because its not popular doesnt mean anything

its alot about how much or how lilttle research someone puts into something.

i love cobb and think they are great but i would rather a tune over a AP

[wisniaPl]

I ain't trying to hype the standback over anything just cause I got it. I've said this before and in other forums... if I can see some actual satisfying data, which has yet to happen from many request of a lot of people, I'd totally consider it and support it... same with the Cobb... even with mixed reviews on the Cobb, many being positive, there some actual satisfying data with many users... why can't Piasini deliver this??

thye had everything , dyno charts, logs etc when they first introduced flash...as I said i dont feel like searching a post from almost 1year ago....ob both forums

[Cue]

because of the amount of users or lack of

people tend to go with trends. and i know a few people who think that everything cobb, hks or whoever, makes is the best whatever when its not so. b/c they are basing it off of their name

just because its not popular doesnt mean anything

its alot about how much or how lilttle research someone puts into something.

i love cobb and think they are great but i would rather a tune over a AP

Well then I'm calling out wisniaPL right now...

I'd like to see these logs....

1st to 5th, shifting anywhere over 5400rpm

RPM
ABS Throttle
Boost
AFR
KR

RPM
ABS Throttle
Boost
Fuel pressure
AFR

You obviously have a DH. Never mind the downpipe, and log with your current mods. If I can see this, I'll gladly support the product.....

[wisniaPl]

Well then I'm calling out wisniaPL right now...

I'd like to see these logs....

1st to 5th, shifting anywhere over 5400rpm

RPM
ABS Throttle
Boost
AFR
KR

RPM
ABS Throttle
Boost
Fuel pressure
AFR

You obviously have a DH. Never mind the downpipe, and log with your current mods. If I can see this, I'll gladly support the product.....

i dont have dh and i dont feel like spending 250$ on it since they are out of production..... if i would own dh i will post logs in my first post

[Cue]

i dont have dh and i dont feel like spending 250$ on it since they are out of production..... if i would own dh i will post logs in my first post

...what do you monitor with?

[dread]

The logs posted by nypest on the other forum were real. I spent a lot of time talking to nypest and trust that he was showing accurate data. I also know people who drove his car and said it performed very well. That being said there is no support from him or piasini and he never got serious with marketing the flash. I have an ap and I love it, but I wouldn't tell people not to get the piasini flash. Just be aware that you might need to upgrade your fuel pump depending on your mods. I would like to see what the ltft data looks like on a heavily modded car with a piasini tune.
Cue you need to work on that standback tune. Your timing and a/f is very choppy.

[Cue]

The logs posted by nypest on the other forum were real. I spent a lot of time talking to nypest and trust that he was showing accurate data. I also know people who drove his car and said it performed very well. That being said there is no support from him or piasini and he never got serious with marketing the flash. I have an ap and I love it, but I wouldn't tell people not to get the piasini flash. Just be aware that you might need to upgrade your fuel pump depending on your mods. I would like to see what the ltft data looks like on a heavily modded car with a piasini tune.

Well then I'll wait till I see what I want to see......


Cue you need to work on that standback tune. Your timing and a/f is very choppy.

OMG!! LOL
Read the logs carefully.... not choppy at all, just more accurate.
The afr axis on my log goes from 10 - 16.
The afr axis on his log goes from 0 - 30. If you zoom in on his afr like mine, the pattern will be quite similar, or I could just zoom out mine (like his) just to show a smoother line... but I prefer to see a more accurate pattern..

[Cue]

Here.... I 'fixed' my tune...

If you want, I can fix my timing as well...

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd334/VMS_Cue/SmoothAFR0-30.png

[dread]

still seems choppy compared to mine. You can see your rpm doesn't increase smoothly either.


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/dreadedhero/104d.jpg

[Cue]

still seems choppy compared to mine. You can see your rpm doesn't increase smoothly either.


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/dreadedhero/104d.jpg

....???.....

... How about if I increase my sample rate... that will smoothen out all parameters....
and compared to another DH log, the line pattern is pretty much identical.

And looking at your log, from 4000 to 4800 your AFR was a constant 12.2. So for 800rpms, your AFR didn't budge from 12.2. On a DH, for those 800rpm's, it said nothing but 12.2. Ya right.... AFr's will jump up and down (I could see from 12 - 12.2), but never stay the EXACT same for that long. My logs are pretty damn accurate. Yours is telling me it didn't budge....

Give it up, there's nothing wrong my tune or log....

[dread]

Yep the dashhawk has a better sample rate, but my a/f ratio does stay that steady. I was just making a suggestion. Even dash hawk logs of AP tunes are pretty stable and I have never seen an rpm slope look like that. I was just making a suggestion to improve drivability.

[Cue]

Yep the dashhawk has a better sample rate, but my a/f ratio does stay that steady. I was just making a suggestion. Even dash hawk logs of AP tunes are pretty stable and I have never seen an rpm slope look like that. I was just making a suggestion to improve drivability.

What did you use to log yours....

[dread]

ap

[240ka]

cue,
you seem to be pretty damn defensive. no wonder why you were going hard on this piasini tune.

seems like this will be a losing battle with you. YOu like the SB and thats what you stand by.

cool, no need to go hard at the piasini tune. imma believer in it and im getting ready to get it.

and will be very happy

[Cue]

cue,
you seem to be pretty damn defensive. no wonder why you were going hard on this piasini tune.

seems like this will be a losing battle with you. YOu like the SB and thats what you stand by.

cool, no need to go hard at the piasini tune. imma believer in it and im getting ready to get it.

and will be very happy

Where the hell did this come from??? Now I'm defensive...

Buddy, the standback for the CX7 was the only thing available to me at the time. So that was my choice.... when I first heard of the Piasini (presented by a Piasini rep on the CX7 forum), I was interested.... and to this day, you still can't see any actual logs that people want to see... It was an option, same with AP, but couldn't get any useful info... just word of mouth which ain't good enough for me...

I said earlier, if I can see what I want to see out the Piasini, than I'll support it. but for now, i still want to see some logs.... standback and AP to me is the obvious choice..... I'm actually pretty impressed with I've seen from the AP...I'm not all about the standback... I just have a lot of experience with it because I own one...

[Cue]

cool, no need to go hard at the piasini tune. imma believer in it and im getting ready to get it.

"Imma believer in it..."

How about you help me out here??? What do you base this quote on....

[SuperStretch18]

cue,
you seem to be pretty damn defensive. no wonder why you were going hard on this piasini tune.

seems like this will be a losing battle with you. YOu like the SB and thats what you stand by.

cool, no need to go hard at the piasini tune. imma believer in it and im getting ready to get it.

and will be very happy

In Cue's defense, most of us CX-7 guys have been given a TERRIBLE impression of the Piasani reps. A lot of that has to do with the characters involved, but even more of it has to do with a lack of anyone being able to produce valid information for our platform.

Cue and I have personally taken some brow-beatings from the person that Piasani sponsored; which is fine, as long as you can back up your statements (which they haven't). I think he is just taking this opportunity to give it back. Albeit, Wisnia is kind of an innocent bystandard here.

I will say that Cue is NOT one of those CPE/Cobb whores that only accepts a single option. He just has some really strong opinions about this flash!

All that said, I do hope you are happy with it. And if you have a dashhawk, please post what information you get before and after from the flash, as I think a lot of the frustration comes from the fact that people are really interested and can't get the answers that they are looking for.

Sorry for the long reply...

[240ka]

Where the hell did this come from??? Now I'm defensive...

Buddy, the standback for the CX7 was the only thing available to me at the time. So that was my choice.... when I first heard of the Piasini (presented by a Piasini rep on the CX7 forum), I was interested.... and to this day, you still can't see any actual logs that people want to see... It was an option, same with AP, but couldn't get any useful info... just word of mouth which ain't good enough for me...

I said earlier, if I can see what I want to see out the Piasini, than I'll support it. but for now, i still want to see some logs.... standback and AP to me is the obvious choice..... I'm actually pretty impressed with I've seen from the AP...I'm not all about the standback... I just have a lot of experience with it because I own one...

basing it off of how you reacted to "constructive criticism" in regards to your log

[240ka]

In Cue's defense, most of us CX-7 guys have been given a TERRIBLE impression of the Piasani reps. A lot of that has to do with the characters involved, but even more of it has to do with a lack of anyone being able to produce valid information for our platform.

Cue and I have personally taken some brow-beatings from the person that Piasani sponsored; which is fine, as long as you can back up your statements (which they haven't). I think he is just taking this opportunity to give it back. Albeit, Wisnia is kind of an innocent bystandard here.

I will say that Cue is NOT one of those CPE/Cobb whores that only accepts a single option. He just has some really strong opinions about this flash!

All that said, I do hope you are happy with it. And if you have a dashhawk, please post what information you get before and after from the flash, as I think a lot of the frustration comes from the fact that people are really interested and can't get the answers that they are looking for.

Sorry for the long reply...

cool.

my dad and a few of my homeboys live downsouth so once i have the tune and coming down, ill let you know so we can meet and ill let you drive my car

[dread]

I didn't realize you guys were driving cx-7's. I have no idea how the flash would work for that. I know nypest had to test dozens of maps for the ms3 before getting it right. It may not have been able to do this for the cx-7. I haven't seen him around for months so I wonder if he is even selling the flash anymore.

[Cue]

basing it off of how you reacted to "constructive criticism" in regards to your log

Well, how it was presented i wouldn't really call constructive criticism. It was more of a, quit talkin bout the Piasini when your own standback tune is 'choppy'... which it wasn't....

...I would still like to know what you base the decision to wait for the Piasini on. I really would like to know more about it..

[SuperStretch18]

cool.

my dad and a few of my homeboys live downsouth so once i have the tune and coming down, ill let you know so we can meet and ill let you drive my car

Appreciate the offer! (friday)

Honestly, I have no doubt that you'll get GREAT performance from the flash. My concern (and I think Cue's) is what's going on behind the scenes. KR, Timing advance, LTFT, A/F ratios, etc. No one has really given good information on that...


I didn't realize you guys were driving cx-7's. I have no idea how the flash would work for that. I know nypest had to test dozens of maps for the ms3 before getting it right. It may not have been able to do this for the cx-7. I haven't seen him around for months so I wonder if he is even selling the flash anymore.

There is a specific flash for the CX-7. I only know of one person that has gotten it done in the US, but there are more than a few flashed CX-7's roaming around in Australia and probably a ton more in Europe. Who knows if NYpest is even still doing this...

[dread]

cue how much boost are you running on your cx-7

[Bravnik]

Look the Piasini has shown decent gains on a stock to simi-bolted (Simi meaning no FMIC or DP) car. The problem comes when you start adding more mods to your car. The Flash can't possibly learn and adjust, it's simply imposable. There is simply ZERO data from any Piasini car running a full bolt-ons. The only car I know that has a DP reports that he lost PSI but put it off on the mods and not the DP. Which is crap if the Piasini is suppose to learn your mods 0.o

The other issue comes to customer support which is basically none at this point. Next is the cost which to me is off the charts for what you get specially considering the customer service issue.

I'm not saying the tune is a bad tune. I'm simply stating that there is no way it can grow with mods and adjust. As you add breathing mods your PSI will drop like a rock.

I'm also saying that for $30 for an MBC and $60 for a Map Clamp (or make one yourself for about $10) you can get the same thing but much cheaper. To me the SB and AP are worth the money as you get a device you can change today (SB) and one that can be changed soon (AP). On top of that you get data logging, gauges, etc. with more to come. You simply get more for your money.

Now if the Flash was like $250 then it would be worth it but not at $550 or $800 like someone else said they where quoted.

[MSMS3]

w
seriously get a live you trying to prove ho SB is awesome because you using one...same here and same with cobb users....

Well, I don't have a tune at all and am not a brand whore for anybody. I do run a 3" uncatted dp and rp into the stock cat back and have a second gen MSCAI, but otherwise stock. What I want is valid info collected independently on the various flashes/tunes. I never believe any of the dyno runs and data logs the manufacturers or vendors publish because they are marketing a product.

I do believe what other members of this fourm not affiliated with the product or its vendors post on their dyno runs and data logs, especially if they are consistent with other members here, and transparent on the conditions under which the dyno was done and the logging done.

That's why I think it a good idea for Piasani to get there tuned ECU in the hands of someone fully independent to dyno and fully data log for comparison.

I have money to spend on a tune, as do others here, but repeatability of result from independent, verifiable sources will be needed to open our wallets.

I don't have a dog in the hunt, but do have money for a tune. I just want to spend my hard earned bucks wisely.

[Cue]

cue how much boost are you running on your cx-7

Right now it's set to 17psi. When it warmed up earlier, I had it to 19, and it holds well at 18+ (til about 5300rpm where I have it intentionally dropping to 15) without any excessive heat issues...

[dread]

nice. It must be a lot quicker than stock.

[Cue]

As I was modding, I used the Dashhawk to log quarter mile times with every upgrade. Used the same strip of flat road everytime to keep the variables as constant as possible.

At stock, I would average anywhere from 15.6 to 15.75 (89mph to 91.5mph)... with a few barely over 16... Then after being fully bolted (no DP), i was in the 15.4's... ECU does a good job controlling the engines output. Then the standback, was barely breaking 15's but with unwanted KR (as high as 6's at somepoint). And now after tons of logs and fine tuning, I'm consistently under 14.5 (best being 14.31 @ 98.18mph) with 0 KR (well... spikes of 0.4 and 0.7.. nothing really).

I'm just dying to race my brothers MS3, but we never have the chance to. and it's not like we'd make time to 'go race'. He's still stock (besides Turbosmart bpv), and when we ran the same road QM's, he was doing runs 14.3's, 14.55, one over 15 and his best at 14.22 (again, on this strip using a DH). All over the place, it all depended on his launch.

But suprisingly, from the 60ft mark to the 1/4 mark, his times averaged out at 12.4, mine at 12.3... so very interesting...

[dread]

cool stuff. That is one fast cx-7. is that awd

[Cue]

cool stuff. That is one fast cx-7. is that awd

Yes AWD... I sometimes wish (sometimes, Stretch) it was a FWD. Only when Stretch starts yappin' away about his FWD (jerkit) and it's benefits (gas mileage, bit faster, lighter), am I glad I have an AWD :)..

[SuperStretch18]

Yes AWD... I sometimes wish (sometimes, Stretch) it was a FWD. Only when Stretch starts yappin' away about his FWD (jerkit) and it's benefits (gas mileage, bit faster, lighter), am I glad I have an AWD :)..

(butt)

[MSMS3]

yes and not 7k rpm but till redline around 6,800 when i was shifting at 5,5k car had power but it was losing top end so that when sti was passing me bye, and it wasnt from a dig!! read carefully i never stated that you just trying to make me look stupid thats why i dont come to this forum to often its full of (stfu).... I will do vids next time have talk to Phil(sti owner) to make new race..... my car is not mild tuned thx to nypes i got the most agresive tune from all people that he sold it to i dont have rev limiter and my bost is set higher as other people had too and other things are switched around....Im local so if i need something i have 10 mins to meet him. I have tune that he was testing on his car.....dont fell like searching post about piasini almost from 8months ago that they show stock and after flash dyno.... im not selling it!! Iwill post my dyno charts after dp and meth instal .... and before with mods that i have now..... but till then i have to save some money ...college life

I owe wisniaPl an apology regarding the "from a dig" observation - I was wrong and admit that.

But it was his post, not nypest, and here's what he said:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4344691&postcount=7

You all can draw your own conclusions about what was posted about the 7k pull in 4th gear with a Piasani tune as a way to go from losing by 1.5 lengths to winning by one length against a modded Sti with approx. 300 whp.

So avoiding a shift from 4th to 5th at 5,500 and staying in 4th up to 7K will change the outcome from losing by 1.5 lengths to winning by one length, total difference of 2.5 car lengths? To me, and maybe it's just me, but that's a lot of power increase above 5,500 from a small turbo with huge thermal inefficiency in that rpm range. Maybe the Sti driver missed a gear on the last two runs?

BTW: A bone stock 2008 Sti runs the quarter in the mid 13's, according to the charts at the web sites of C&D and Road and Track. So how much quicker are we to assume the modded Sti was in those races? At a minimum, a one length win on a stock Sti would mean running down in the 13.3 or 13.4 second range. Might have to get into the high 12's to beat him by a length if he has much in the way of mods.

This just doesn't add up.

I remain skeptical.

Just one opinion.

[240ka]

i know when i first started researching this flash, i could have sworn i read there was a 75hp gain over stock beyond 5500k

[Cue]

i know when i first started researching this flash, i could have sworn i read there was a 75hp gain over stock beyond 5500k

I can believe that.... maybe 50HP for sure. As long as the turbo can still produce 16+psi over 5500rpm cause at stock it just drops off at that point (around 11 I believe??). I know for a fact that the CX7 turbo can't produce any higher than 14psi over 5600rpm.... smaller inlet and outlet....

[coyfish]

To me it seems obvious that whoever is behind the piasani tune has no interest in making money or selling his or her product. Either that or the tune is crap.

Over the past year many people have asked for a legit dyno test. Always some sort of excuse. Im busy, need more mods, people on these forums are jerks. . . always something. This isn't the only forum this has taken place on either. If the tune lived up to the hype than there would be dyno charts on every forum. Nobody just sits in a hole with a brilliant idea especially when there is money to be made.

[wisniaPl]

To me it seems obvious that whoever is behind the piasani tune has no interest in making money or selling his or her product. Either that or the tune is crap.

Over the past year many people have asked for a legit dyno test. Always some sort of excuse. Im busy, need more mods, people on these forums are jerks. . . always something. This isn't the only forum this has taken place on either. If the tune lived up to the hype than there would be dyno charts on every forum. Nobody just sits in a hole with a brilliant idea especially when there is money to be made.

are you fucking stupid or cant read i said there is thread somewhere on this or other forum that is 1 year old everything is explained about piasini....

[coyfish]

Well I appreciate that remark.

There is another thread on this forums where I have asked questions and never recieved answers. I was wanting to buy this tune but nobody helped me. After reading what has been posted I have learned that the piasani tune "adjusts" and has great gains over stock.

I even started my own piasini tune thread . . .

All I want is a dyno result and / or data log so I can see KR / boost / etc. Im not willing to spend over 500 bucks on what someone tells me. I need hard evidence. Im sorry if that makes me "fucking stupid."

[Cue]

Well I appreciate that remark.

There is another thread on this forums where I have asked questions and never recieved answers. I was wanting to buy this tune but nobody helped me. After reading what has been posted I have learned that the piasani tune "adjusts" and has great gains over stock.

I even started my own piasini tune thread . . .

All I want is a dyno result and / or data log so I can see KR / boost / etc. Im not willing to spend over 500 bucks on what someone tells me. I need hard evidence. Im sorry if that makes me "fucking stupid."


I'm with Coyfish.... Really, if we could just see some dynos, and full throttle logs showing KR, AFR, Boost, Throttle Position, RPM, Fuel Pressure (for me anyway) along with a dyno to back up the claims, then I'll support it....



cool, no need to go hard at the piasini tune. imma believer in it and im getting ready to get it. and will be very happy

and 240ka.... I'd still like to know what your basing this statement on???

[240ka]

go read the threads about this tune on mazda speed forums .com thats where the logs and dyno charts are which is what im basing my decision off of

[Cue]

go read the threads about this tune on mazda speed forums .com thats where the logs and dyno charts are which is what im basing my decision off of

got it.....

[240ka]

Its good that you are so critical and I would like to hear your unbaised impression of the logs and charts. I mean if you see anything that's not good from the logs and ap or sb are better options then ill go with one of those. I just want the most for my money and the flash looks promising. But if not, I have no probs with going to the others

[coyfish]

Well if you end up getting the tune keep us updated 240ka. Hope it works out for you.

[240ka]

For sure. Since cue is reading up on it on the other forum, I'm going to wait alittle for him to start some dialougue about the flash based on what he gathers from the logs and dyno charts

[coyfish]

Yeah ill check those out when I have some time later tonight.

[Cue]

For sure. Since cue is reading up on it on the other forum, I'm going to wait alittle for him to start some dialougue about the flash based on what he gathers from the logs and dyno charts

So far I've only seen 2 DH logs...
1)RPM, speed, KR, Boost, AFR

Comments:
- The boost is impressive, and the AFR's are running nice at higer than 11.
- Don't like the 1 gear log
- and the KR line is not showing.... it looks like it was turned off (to not show on the graph)

2)RPM, KR, Rel TPS, Boost, AFR
- Again, boost and AFR is good
- KR is good in this one too, but again it's 1 gear pull, and it went from 2700rpm to 5500rpm in 13 seconds???... that's way too long.

Theres def some good things about the tune, but still I would like to see a 1st to 4th 5600rpm pull (which should take about 17-19 seconds to do all 4 gears).

[240ka]

so from what youve seen. how would you compare it to some of the AP logs guys have posted that have more mods?

[Cue]

so from what youve seen. how would you compare it to some of the AP logs guys have posted that have more mods?

Well, the boost is very similar at 17-20, but with the AP most tunes are running a bit leaner (12.5). I've seen 3 gear pulls and they're pretty impressive. These logs showed afr, rpm, boost, kr with no issues. If I can see something similar to these with the Piasini, then I'll agree with that too. Other benefits too though is there are different maps available depending on your setup.

With the CX7's though, theyre data logs run with impressive boost, but at less than 10 AFR's... and border line fuel pressure issues. Under 10 at WOT in a raised boost condition on a CX7 will definitely require an upgraded fuel pump. That I don't like, and that's all I've seen for the CX7

[240ka]

so the tune looks good so far to you? i wonder how the tune will work with a fully bolted car

[Cue]

so the tune looks good so far to you? i wonder how the tune will work with a fully bolted car

I would imagine with a fully bolted car, the tune would need to run a bit richer (low to mid 11's) to avoid detonation. I'd like to know how much timing is being pulled with the AP maps and Piasini at those AFR's and boost levels. The nice thing with the AP is the tunability...

[240ka]

so go with the AP? how do the SB and SP compare?

[Cue]

I'll speak for the standback, cause this is what I have....

Cons - Too expensive with pnp, very time consuming, and can seriously fuck shit up if you don't know what your doing.

Pros - 2 map switch, warranty proof, detailed grids for AFR MAF BOOST METH FUEL PRESSURE, and obviously tunability. You can tune to whatever mods you have, weather changes, fuel (octanes), altitude. Some even do fuel saving maps, harmless maps (for when someone else drives it), and some have even thought of the idea as a theft deterrent (supply no fuel, car won't start)..


The AP has great reviews and mixed reviews, but the users with the 'right combo' (maps and mods) have excellent results... From what I have seen, I can confidently say this is a good option to go with.

and... SP???

[240ka]

ha, i meant AP

[Bravnik]

The logs posted by the Piasini are old and questionable to say the least. They were done on a car with very few mods and there are NO logs or Dyno's from a car running full bolt-ons. There are decent gains to be had for sure, but still you have to ask is it worth the money in the long run.

My buddy tried the Piasini with full bolt-ons (Only thing he does not have is a bigger turbo). He came to my house to use my DashHawk because it didn't feel right. We took the car for a highway run and the max Boost I saw was 14PSI in 4th. The best run we got was a 1st through 4th and the highest boost we saw was 16PSI for that run. Now maybe it was his car but considering he has a AP now and has no boost issues using it, I really don't think so.

I guarantee you that the flash will NOT learn as it goes and adjust to your mods as you add them. It's imposable for this to happen.

So in a nut shell. If you plan to stay stock or simi-stock, then the Piasini might work for you. If you can deal with the support issues associated with it. However, if you plan to mod with full bolt-ons, I would suggest another form of tuning. 11 AFR's are not that great, you should be shooting for 12 to 12.3. There are also no logs with LTFT's for the Piasini which is something I would love to see.

I agree with CUE on the SB (Expensive to go with the full options and time consuming) and with the AP.

I will speak from the AP stand point. As long as your not at a 4k plus elevation, running an Injen CAI or have a Catless DP, you should be fine with the OTS map that fits your mods. You don't have to have Cobb only equipment. Pretty much an SRi is an SRi, A DP is a DP and a FMIC is a FMIC. There may be minor differences between them yes, but not enough to make a huge difference.

[coyfish]

The injen CAI causes issues with the AP ?? Thats news to me. I heard a few stories on Nano's having issues.

[Bravnik]

The injen CAI causes issues with the AP ?? Thats news to me. I heard a few stories on Nano's having issues.

Yeah there are a few posts about it. The Injen and Catless DP are the 2 big things. There is a fix for the Injen though. All you have to do is message Christian and he will update your map for it. At least he use too. There is no fix for the overboost due to the catless DP as far as I know.

Other than that, mods are mods and all will work (within reason).

[dread]

The logs posted by the Piasini are old and questionable to say the least. They were done on a car with very few mods and there are NO logs or Dyno's from a car running full bolt-ons. There are decent gains to be had for sure, but still you have to ask is it worth the money in the long run.

My buddy tried the Piasini with full bolt-ons (Only thing he does not have is a bigger turbo). He came to my house to use my DashHawk because it didn't feel right. We took the car for a highway run and the max Boost I saw was 14PSI in 4th. The best run we got was a 1st through 4th and the highest boost we saw was 16PSI for that run. Now maybe it was his car but considering he has a AP now and has no boost issues using it, I really don't think so.

I guarantee you that the flash will NOT learn as it goes and adjust to your mods as you add them. It's imposable for this to happen.

So in a nut shell. If you plan to stay stock or simi-stock, then the Piasini might work for you. If you can deal with the support issues associated with it. However, if you plan to mod with full bolt-ons, I would suggest another form of tuning. 11 AFR's are not that great, you should be shooting for 12 to 12.3. There are also no logs with LTFT's for the Piasini which is something I would love to see.

I agree with CUE on the SB (Expensive to go with the full options and time consuming) and with the AP.

I will speak from the AP stand point. As long as your not at a 4k plus elevation, running an Injen CAI or have a Catless DP, you should be fine with the OTS map that fits your mods. You don't have to have Cobb only equipment. Pretty much an SRi is an SRi, A DP is a DP and a FMIC is a FMIC. There may be minor differences between them yes, but not enough to make a huge difference.

Why do you keep saying the ap doesn't work at high elevation. Cobb is in salt lake city at High elevation. The ap works at high elevation that is all there is to it.

[AutoEuphoria]

Anyways, for everyone's info...got a PM back from nypest yesterday and he's no longer doing the mail-in flash. If you want it from him you will have to go to his shop.

[dread]

He doesn't have a shop to my knowledge. He works out of his house. How much is the flash?

[aaronc7]

Piasini fail

[Bravnik]

Why do you keep saying the ap doesn't work at high elevation. Cobb is in salt lake city at High elevation. The ap works at high elevation that is all there is to it.

Maybe because one of the requirements to help build the Maps for Cobb was an almost zero elevation. At least I know for a fact that the 103_91_Oct _FMIC Stage2_CA Map was done on a car at almost no elevation as I was the one who built it.

Cobb may be at a high elevation, but that does NOT mean the map was designed at that elevation. Now that also does not mean that the map will not work. I'm not sure how much our ECU can compensate for elevation. I think they required a lower elevation as (correct me if I'm wrong here) going from low to high you will lose boost/power but if the map was created for 5k elevation and you used it at 56ft (like in my case) you would be over boosting and could cause damage I would think. I could be wrong again, just guessing.

I guess you're right to a degree. They can use it, but I would not expect to get the results that I have using it due to the higher elevation.

[dread]

No matter what you do you will have less power at high elevation. The ecu is perfectly capable of compensating for this making the proper adjustments when going to high elevation. You will just have less boost pressure because the air is lower density. Cobb was looking for beta testers a sea level because they are able to do the testing themselves at high elevation not because the ap does not work on cars at higher elevations. You will still get more power than stock.

[456whpEvo8]

Piasini is Sicccckkkkk

[boosted1]

Piasini is SicccckkkkkIf only we could believe!(shady)

[tuckaloe]

If only we could believe!(shady)

I even WANT to believe....just can't find anyone to back it up.......(chair)