When will COBB AP be user tunable?

[speed3driver]

Just wondering if anyone has heard a final word on when we can make custom maps with the AP. My mod list isn't working quite right with the maps available and i'm anxious for the release of the custom tuner.

[H3br3w_Ham3r]

Agreed... Every car is different and runs different. I don't see how Cobb only lets us use their maps.

[Renzokuken]

I doubt it will be for our cars. they day they release a pro tuner for the car is the day I will buy one.

[dread]

User tunability will be out very soon, within the next month from what I hear. Maybe as soon as two weeks.

[Renzokuken]

User tunability will be out very soon, within the next month from what I hear. Maybe as soon as two weeks.

The COBB BPV, and Cold air box were supposed to be out 3rd quarter 2008, its 2009. I have nothing personal against COBB, but until I see a confirmation FROM COBB, I wouldnt hold my breath.

[dread]

Well Cobb has been more punctual as of late. People are already testing the software and christian is using it to tune and giving classes on how to use it. So I think it will be soon than later

[speed3driver]

I sure hope it comes out soon...

[mazdaspeed32007]

im ready im ready im ready. actually ill be to afraid to use it. haha. but i have a close relative who knows how to do tunes like buttering toast. ill learn in the process.

[mcb]

I wont buy the ap untill street tuner or race tuner is avaliable. I'm pushing back the buy date forever if its not going out public. A cobb authorized vendor near me told me that he will be able to use it to sell tune so maybe i wont have to buy the option wich will go for about 200$ if not more. At almost a grand i would reconsider it and probably call it. If a tuner can do it for me... maybe but for now i'll wait.

PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME GET MY SPEED3 RUN RIGHT!!! darn shitty stock tune.

[smakdown61]

I wont buy the ap untill street tuner or race tuner is avaliable. I'm pushing back the buy date forever if its not going out public. A cobb authorized vendor near me told me that he will be able to use it to sell tune so maybe i wont have to buy the option wich will go for about 200$ if not more. At almost a grand i would reconsider it and probably call it. If a tuner can do it for me... maybe but for now i'll wait.

PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME GET MY SPEED3 RUN RIGHT!!! darn shitty stock tune.

You can tune it yourself for free with ATR.

[speed3driver]

Whats ATR?

[dread]

access tuner race formerly known as street tuner

[speed3driver]

Can you give me the rundown on that?

[dread]

It allows you to change boost, timing, and fueling among other variables without a tuner. In other words you tune yourself and create your own maps using the base maps cobb provides.

[speed3driver]

Nice. Because i'm leaning out a bit on fuel under boost. my afr's are getting into the 9's. I have an upgraded pump but i just need to tune my car to spit a little more fuel.

One more thing.. do you have any idea what i should do about having a catless downpipe? What should i try to tune?

[GoFast]

i have a feeling that once this is released we are going to see a slight spike in blown engines

[dread]

Nice. Because i'm leaning out a bit on fuel under boost. my afr's are getting into the 9's. I have an upgraded pump but i just need to tune my car to spit a little more fuel.

One more thing.. do you have any idea what i should do about having a catless downpipe? What should i try to tune?

If your a/f's are in the nines you are running rich not lean and that is normal on the stock map. I have no idea what you would need to change. You need to datalog to see where the maps can be improved.

[dread]

i have a feeling that once this is released we are going to see a slight spike in blown engines

Yes I agree. The atr software is not something that should be used by inexperienced people who don't understand how the basics of tuning.

[mazdaspeed32007]

basics of tuning no way.....from what ive been learning on here and over the internet the past few weeks i wouldnt tune this shit unless i know how everythign works with everything else.....ie. trained mechanic or motor head for years.

[speed3driver]

If your a/f's are in the nines you are running rich not lean and that is normal on the stock map. I have no idea what you would need to change. You need to datalog to see where the maps can be improved.

How do i datalog with my AP? I'm a newbie to tuning

[dread]

download the latest ap firmware, plug ap into car, select monitor, then datalog, press ok then floor it once the screen says logging. Press ok again to finish the run.

[speed3driver]

Thanks. I'll make sure to do that this weekend and see what i get.

[coyfish]

That street tuner is a little scary for me. Like some of you guys mentioned I dont know anything about tuning. If cobb had something where I could send them my data and they could create a map for me . . . I would gladly pay 100 bucks extra for it.

[lantagne21]

That street tuner is a little scary for me. Like some of you guys mentioned I dont know anything about tuning. If cobb had something where I could send them my data and they could create a map for me . . . I would gladly pay 100 bucks extra for it.

They do. I was talking to Christian a few weeks back and they have whats called e-tuning and you do exactly that. Do a few data logs, email it to them, they tweak it and create a new map for you. If I remember correctly, it was about $175. Email chris.haag@cobbtuning.com if you are interested. He is the one that does all the scheduling for Christian.

[coyfish]

They do. I was talking to Christian a few weeks back and they have whats called e-tuning and you do exactly that. Do a few data logs, email it to them, they tweak it and create a new map for you. If I remember correctly, it was about $175. Email chris.haag@cobbtuning.com if you are interested. He is the one that does all the scheduling for Christian.

Alright thanks. If I ever manage to buy the AP ill be sure to send him a message.

[speed3driver]

Should I send a datalog for a custom tune? I have a catless downpipe.. Will I be fine on their maps or is that dangerous?

[dread]

you might be fine, see how it runs before making any decisions.

[taylorex]

I was at Cobb on Tuesday and they said the Street Tuner for the MS3 is suppose to be released end of 1st quarter, beginning of 2nd.

[speed3driver]

I should proly just call Cobb and ask them

[essejkcamraw]

i have a feeling that once this is released we are going to see a slight spike in blown engines

+1000

[scatt nasty]

Hopefully when this software comes out there will be some kind of how-to, maybe just the basics of tuning ? A DVD tutorial would be badass lol. I would like to tune my BPV for VTA

[dread]

I heard Christian has put together a manual, which they may charge $100 dollars for, but the software would be free.

[240ka]

i have a feeling that once this is released we are going to see a slight spike in blown engines

agreed. thats what i was saying to my friend. that theres going to be alot of people out there blaming cobb for their blown motors b/c they were thinking cobb made this thing for those who dont have the slightest idea about tuning. with one little tweak in the wrong area(BOOM!!) i know i wouldnt trust myself tweaking anything in the cars tune nor would i even attempt to do so

the reason why i see cobb offering this is to allow people/tuners that have the knowledge in tunning to make tunes for AP owners and "load" the tune(s) to the ap giving access to more than one tune at a time instead of being forced to get one reflash at a time or having to use the generic maps cobb maps.

once AP's go down in price i wil mos def pick one up b/c of this. and when there are money ass tunes created, have them loaded on to my AP or have a mimic tune created on my AP

for instance, ill be sending my ecu for the piasini tune and if cobb offers this and Ap's drop down to about $200(in a few years)-i hope the piasini tunecan be added to the AP and have my ecu flashed back to stock. any any other great tunes created will be bought put on the AP as well

[PCspeed3]

cant wait to hear about more blown motors because of rookie people tuning their own cars.........lol

[dread]

agreed. thats what i was saying to my friend. that theres going to be alot of people out there blaming cobb for their blown motors b/c they were thinking cobb made this thing for those who dont have the slightest idea about tuning. with one little tweak in the wrong area(BOOM!!) i know i wouldnt trust myself tweaking anything in the cars tune nor would i even attempt to do so

the reason why i see cobb offering this is to allow people/tuners that have the knowledge in tunning to make tunes for AP owners and "load" the tune(s) to the ap giving access to more than one tune at a time instead of being forced to get one reflash at a time or having to use the generic maps cobb maps.

once AP's go down in price i wil mos def pick one up b/c of this. and when there are money ass tunes created, have them loaded on to my AP or have a mimic tune created on my AP

for instance, ill be sending my ecu for the piasini tune and if cobb offers this and Ap's drop down to about $200(in a few years)-i hope the piasini tunecan be added to the AP and have my ecu flashed back to stock. any any other great tunes created will be bought put on the AP as well

New ap's will never come down in price and you will never be able to download the piasini tune to the ap. Trust me this is directly from nypest who sells the tune and owns an ap. By the way the 103 maps are just as good as the piasini maps anyway.

[paylew]

cant wait to hear about more blown motors because of rookie people tuning their own cars.........lol

I'm sure it won't take more then a week or two after it comes out for them to start popping up.

[240ka]

New ap's will never come down in price and you will never be able to download the piasini tune to the ap. Trust me this is directly from nypest who sells the tune and owns an ap. By the way the 103 maps are just as good as the piasini maps anyway.

really?

i know NEW aps wont come down to that price. im talking used ones sold by private owners and there being enough of a supply out there to bring cost down. but im talking after a few years have passed

i dont recalll seeing a MS3 with AP thats running bov, intake and upgraded tmic putting down 287whp and 305wtq

[dread]

That's because no one with those mods has dyno'd with the 103 maps. My dyno on the 102's with just an intake was 261 hp and 298 ft/lbs. My car is pulling a lot harder especially up top on the 103 maps, so I would bet that I have closer to 290 whp.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/dreadedhero/dyno2.jpg

[240ka]

sorry. he's only running sri, tmic and tune. stock bpv. and putting down 287whp and 305wtq

[aaronc7]

AP is definitely making power now. I agree the v100, 101 and even 102 maps were shit. I'm still running a v103 beta map

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u65/aaronc7/Mazdaspeed%203/SmallDyno.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u65/aaronc7/Mazdaspeed%203/dynoexcel.png

[dread]

thanks aaron.

[smakdown61]

really?

i know NEW aps wont come down to that price. im talking used ones sold by private owners and there being enough of a supply out there to bring cost down. but im talking after a few years have passed

i dont recalll seeing a MS3 with AP thats running bov, intake and upgraded tmic putting down 287whp and 305wtq

There's never going to be enough supply out there for this car to bring the price down.

And its not rocket science to tune a car. Same basic principles apply to all cars. You go in very very small increments when you change things. The more knowledge a tuner has usually the less time it takes. Anyone could tune this car themselves, even noobs, but done properly would probably take at least a few weeks of your own revisions...as opposed to 3-4 hours by a tuner.

Oh and btw, you won't be seeing free tunes online. The end user software only works on your own AP.

[leadf00t]

AP is definitely making power now. I agree the v100, 101 and even 102 maps were shit. I'm still running a v103 beta map

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u65/aaronc7/Mazdaspeed%203/SmallDyno.jpg

What mods were you running with this dyno ?

[aaronc7]

Intake,inlet,TBE,FMIC,meth, and AP (stock exhaust mani)

[Alexsered]

out of box tunning FTL. enough said

[mcb]

+1

[dread]

Yeah 320hp is a big failure. LOL