Cobb AP worth it???

[hyperpm]

I have Cobb SRI and wondering if current maps are good and worth getting AP. With Cobb SRI, my dynojet numbers are 250 whp and 285 wtq. Big increase over stock especially at 3200 rpm. Dyno numbers accurate imo since same same dyno I used for my other car and inline with what others are getting for that car on that dyno. Questions:

Anyone dyno Cobb SRI with AP?
Do current maps increase boost or just adjusts A/F ratio?

Thanks for any info. New to turbos.

[Bravnik]

I have Cobb SRI and wondering if current maps are good and worth getting AP. With Cobb SRI, my dynojet numbers are 250 whp and 285 wtq. Big increase over stock especially at 3200 rpm. Dyno numbers accurate imo since same same dyno I used for my other car and inline with what others are getting for that car on that dyno. Questions:

Anyone dyno Cobb SRI with AP?
Do current maps increase boost or just adjusts A/F ratio?

Thanks for any info. New to turbos.

All 103 Maps increase Boost and AFR to lean you out some. You should see a nice increase if you get an AP.

[tru-boost]

i dont have an AP but my answer is no, its not worth it. For the same cost i would rather have a piggy back that i can tune to my needs, not the same tune everyone else has. In my case, i'll take no tune at all! Im getting the fuel cut and throttle flash and thats it. Piss on the tune IMO.

[nighthawk358]

i would wait for access tuner to see how it works out..if it doesn't, buy a standback

[08CWP_SoCal_MS3]

I don't think the OTS maps are all that good considering each person,

Lives at different altitudes
Different humidities/temps

Which effects how effective each map/tune is on a persons car. I think it's going to be worth is when the AccessTUNER RACE/PRO comes out. I have the AP and have been having difficulties with how my car is running with the OTS maps. I'm going to get it custom tuned with the software becomes available to tuners as there are multiple AccessTUNER shops in my area.

[Speed3Rookie]

lol..I'd wager for every 1 person that's not happy with the ap and their tunes there are at least 20 that is. :)

[mazdaspeed32007]

i would be happy w my tune if i didnt get fuel cut like a mother f. the ap is good beisdes. you can get live data lists/logs of the motor in one unit....although you can only see 1 at a time. you can data log your shit and see what you need to fix or check into. even though the tune is "general" imo its better than no tune for most cases. your at least putting your engine at a safer spot being closer to your mods than your ecu trying to compensate all your mods. idk all that much about it yet and ive been trying to follow tru-boost for quite some time and he knows quite a lot. but you gotta figure....some of us only have 500 to spend and with a possible future self tuning program for the ap....i cant see why you would be wasting your money.

[DAC17]

lol..I'd wager for every 1 person that's not happy with the ap and their tunes there are at least 20 that is. :)

I'm one of those 20 people.... Although I don't have dyno numbers, you can sure feel the difference.

[AMS38U]

I agree the ass dyno feels real good

[dread]

This is a stage 1+ sri datalog. I would say its worth it, 19 psi and 12.0 a/f makes a big difference

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/dreadedhero/104d.jpg

[nighthawk358]

when will access tuner be out??? and will it be for free?

[mazdaspeed32007]

when will access tuner be out??? and will it be for free?

not a clue. words been being passed around the forum so it could just be a rumor. but it would put the ap on top of everyones list imo. i was impressed with the shit the ap came with. 500 was nothing for the amount it did without tuning. a custom access tuner would be f-in so sweet though. people could fine tune those custom maps cobb made vehicle specific. people would either make their cars run super sweet.....or blow them up. lol.

[08CWP_SoCal_MS3]

I agree the ass dyno feels real good

My ass/butt dyno feels good too.. (glare).. but my LTFT and KR is making the brain hurt.. (eyeballs)

[dkswim]

im happy with it and unlike some of the other tuners out there i dont have to cut wires and easy to use.

[PCspeed3]

I wuv mine...

[fastguy]

cobb ap is sooo worth it man i have it and i raced an evo the first day i got it i raced an evo that i previously beat by a car then we raced again and i beat him by 3 cars and i shut down still pulling. great mod i would take it over any ecu out there for our cars and there gettign more maps soon and you can make your own maps its ftw

[black_ninja23]

cobb ap is sooo worth it man i have it and i raced an evo the first day i got it i raced an evo that i previously beat by a car then we raced again and i beat him by 3 cars and i shut down still pulling. great mod i would take it over any ecu out there for our cars and there gettign more maps soon and you can make your own maps its ftw

what other upgrades do you have? and what map do you have?

[pidass15]

I have the sri and turboxs rp w/a high flow cat. I just got the AP and few days ago and YES it's worth it!!! Pick it up used like I did and save a few hundred!!

[fastguy]

what other upgrades do you have? and what map do you have?

i have an injen intake and i have a hks cbe with a corksport tp and im running stage 2 maps. and when i get my downpipe and a fmic im gonna put that stage 2 map in and it suppose to increase hp by 17% more cobb ap is worth it i was talkign to a guy at japtrix n his son has a intake and cpe tbe and dynoed at 273 whp then he put cobb ap on and then dynoed at 296 thats a big jump cobb ap has alot of features and m,aps and you can create your own and they will have way more comeing out soon. its win bro.

[black_ninja23]

does the AP log data? if it does should I keep my dashhawk still?

[blue-sun]

cobb ap is sooo worth it man i have it and i raced an evo the first day i got it i raced an evo that i previously beat by a car then we raced again and i beat him by 3 cars and i shut down still pulling. great mod i would take it over any ecu out there for our cars and there gettign more maps soon and you can make your own maps its ftw

did you race him in a school zone, cuz that would have been awesome.

[Bravnik]

does the AP log data? if it does should I keep my dashhawk still?

It logs data but I will never toss my DH as it was the first and best mod I ever got. Unless they release an even better version/model.

[456whpEvo8]

i have an injen intake and i have a hks cbe with a corksport tp and im running stage 2 maps. and when i get my downpipe and a fmic im gonna put that stage 2 map in and it suppose to increase hp by 17% more cobb ap is worth it i was talkign to a guy at japtrix n his son has a intake and cpe tbe and dynoed at 273 whp then he put cobb ap on and then dynoed at 296 thats a big jump cobb ap has alot of features and m,aps and you can create your own and they will have way more comeing out soon. its win bro.


I will have to dis-agree with the retard filling your head full of steam, AP is crap and over priced


Phil's MS3 with Cp-e stand back made 323whp/341 vs Chris's MS3 with Cobb's AP made 287whp/321 on the dyno challenge.

Both car's have the same mod's


I would put my money on the standback.

[dkswim]

yeah cpe chearleading when are they going to realize not everyone wants to hack into there wiring harness and some people don't like the piggyback system of tuning...

[PCspeed3]

I would definitely buy it again. Lots of testing/research behind it.

[tuckaloe]

AP is crap and over priced



Then it's settled.

But just last evening you were cheerleading for Paisani, no?

[tuckaloe]

did you race him in a school zone, cuz that would have been awesome.

Damn that was funny, nice one blue-sun....

[blue-sun]

Damn that was funny, nice one blue-sun....

thanks, I've been e-thugging n00bs since back in the day.

[aaronc7]

laloosh did like 28Xwhp with the AP, then 327whp with SB.

I did 320whp/345TQ with the AP and I have same mods as laloosh basically did except he had all CPE parts and he had exhaust mani.... clearly his AP tune was just way off and I'm sure he planned it/wanted it that way.

This is with the AP, not a custom tune.. beta v103

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u65/aaronc7/Mazdaspeed%203/SmallDyno.jpg

[derspi]

^^

Impressive numbers with the CPE & AP tuning solutions. I'm curious to know as to why you think laloosh "planned it/wanted it that way." I'm sure he has HIS reasons - is he sponsored by CPE or a CPE distributor?

There's also the question of car to car variability that can account for some of the HP/TQ difference between the 2 cars but 3x odd WHP is quite a large gap for variability I would admit.

[Speed3@UCI]

in order to run the cobb AP optimally do I have to be using Cobb Parts?

Im running the Cobb SRI and CPE TBE(catted DP). I see there are different maps you can run with a exhaust and intake but is that Cobb specific?

also AP can read CELs right?

[dread]

AP can read cels. You are fine with those parts. The important things to have are cobb's intake since that is what affects fuel trims the most and a cat in the downpipe

[hyperpm]

Next question before I plunk down $$$: With Stage 1 103 map increasing boost for Cobb SRI mod, do reliability concerns come into play or can this engine handle that increase in boost since A/F is also fixed with this map?

[Bravnik]

Anytime you raise the boost you increase the heat and thus lower the overall lifespan of the motor/turbo. It simply is part of the game. However, that may equal 250,000 miles vice 300,000 miles so it's really a non-issue for the most part.

You should have zero reliability issues with the AP as a tune should always be better than no tune at all.

[dkswim]

last i heard laloshe is working for CPE and was sponsered by before that. all hearsay... my understanding is the exhaust side is not that inportant as far as cats and no cats...

[dread]

As far as exhaust goes some people have issues without a cat and some don't.

[hyperpm]

Anytime you raise the boost you increase the heat and thus lower the overall lifespan of the motor/turbo. It simply is part of the game. However, that may equal 250,000 miles vice 300,000 miles so it's really a non-issue for the most part.

You should have zero reliability issues with the AP as a tune should always be better than no tune at all.

Thanks for the info. Here's my dyno with cobb sri. Unfortunately no a/f readout. Based on graph am I safe if I don't opt for AP hence no tune?

dynorun 3 = stock with fan on radiatior
dynorun 4 = cobb sri with fan on radiator
dynorun 6 = cobb sri with fan on tmic

[MikeHTally]

My $0.02? No, not worth it. I forget the exact claims, but fourteen hp for $700?! Seems a bit steep.

[08CWP_SoCal_MS3]

My $0.02? (piss)No, not worth it. I forget the exact claims, but fourteen hp for $700?! Seems a bit steep.



The OTS/OTB maps are nothing to brag about, I don't think they are all that good actually, they could use some fine tuning... which is exactly why the AP is worth it. It will eventually be able to be tuned with AccessTUNER when it's released.

[nighthawk358]

i want an AP!

[dread]

My $0.02? No, not worth it. I forget the exact claims, but fourteen hp for $700?! Seems a bit steep.

You may not pick up much peak hp, but you will get a lot more hp and torque throughout the entire curve. On a stage 1+ car you will pick up over 50hp up top and 35-50 throughout the curve. Plus your car won't fall on its face at 5500 rpm.

[tuckaloe]

You may not pick up much peak hp, but you will get a lot more hp and torque throughout the entire curve. On a stage 1+ car you will pick up over 50hp up top and 35-50 throughout the curve. Plus your car won't fall on its face at 5500 rpm.

And that is DEFINITELY worth the $700.

Dread, can you substantiate those #s? Not being confrontational in the least, just curious what allows you to quantify like that.

I've experienced what alot of readers come into this thread for, the fact that Cobb's dyno charts and estimated % gains aren't particularly impressive IMHO.

To be fair, I've "chipped" several cars in the past that didn't gain much, #s wise, but were altogether better to drive. It's as if they had an attitude adjustment, they just wanted to go, rev, etc. IE, the #s were not the story, the overall improvment WAS the story. Hard to quantify but definitely worthwhile. So I buy into the fact that it can be worthwhile without showing big#s like the 1.8t and 2.0t FSI guys are experiencing. Those engines being the opposite end of the spectrum where gains are pretty amazing.

And the value added benefits are significant. CEL clear, datalogging, etc. Ultimate tuneability if/when the ATR ever comes around. Seems like good stuff.

The cost....a bitter pill. Then again, when I start comparison shopping the costs of software for other cars I consider worthy/comparable, it's not at all out of line(shocked).

[ooh_damn]

i say the ap is definitely worth it.