2010 Mazdaspeed 3 Pics and info

[ronbauer]

I haven't really seen many pics of the new cars, so here's a few to whet your appetites. Hopefully the new MS3 comes soon, as I really like the new look.

I went down to the Port of Tacoma (south of Seattle) today to see if they had any of the new MX-5s in yet, and to my surprise saw a TON of new 3s as well. Since I've only seen one official picture of the 5 door, I thought I'd take a few pics....

Ron

[240ka]

i just threwup in my mouth

[Donas64]

There's still hope for the mazdaspeed versions.

[PCspeed3]

slam it on 22 chromies and then your rollin is style

[240ka]

There's still hope for the mazdaspeed versions.

i dont see it

[SHaW]

Agreed. There is no hope! Too freaking happy looking for me.

[essejkcamraw]

sweet baby jebus. i honestly hope the 2010 speeds dont look ANYTHING like those! or maybe i do... cause then id be stoked i got my 09 (nana) she looks like shes gonna eat someone alive.

[madvillian]

welp, at least they didn't fuck up the new mx-5's!

http://www.motorauthority.com/gallery/2010-mazda-mx-5-facelift/2010-mazda-mx5-facelift-002.html

so sexyyyyy

[bluelion]

the mx5 don't look much much different than now. and i think a modified mazda 3 5 dr will look pretty good....

[creina1221]

I can't believe they did away with the door mouldings

[oaklandopen]

to be honest i dont' even remember seeing the miatas at the philadelphia auto show when i was there sunday. i would still rather have a 2nd gen though

[Moultese]

Wow, those are freaking hideous. Get your 09 Mazdaspeed3s while you can! lol.

[eg6motion]

wow. The 4dr is ok...but the 5 door is downright gross. I can't see it getting any better for a speed version either....those are as ugly as the new toyota matrix...if not worse

[BSTD3]

I'm excited...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8cliPHJ_2Y

http://www.media.mazda.com/Access/material/photo/jpg_d/P1J04264s.jpg

[TRDMS3]

even the speed version didnt even save it, dont see much of a difference anyway in the ext. other that the obvious scoop and a spoiler

[sanblaster]

I hope they sell like hot cakes so I can get a 08, 09' even cheaper.

[grieco57]

could look worse.....

[leadf00t]

They're screaming for a Herbie remake !!

[TRDMS3]

could look worse.....

but could look better

[IKE=MS3 08.5]

that looks bad

[GoFast]

looks like chevy is going to start selling more cobalt ss' (laugh)

[hawaii3]

it doesnt look bad but looks like ill be keeping my speed for a while (rockon)

[bluelion]

could look worse.....

damn..... looks like a pug with a squished face....

[SP33D3]

Now I know what I'll be trading in for.




http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/mazda3-mps-2009-02-03?utm_source=february-5-2009&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ongoing

[MSPturbo3]

Here are some new pics i found of the new 2010 mazdaspeed 3 enjoy

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2009/02/2010_mazda3_mps_and_mazda3_ist.html#more

[LOL WUT]

I love the dual exhaust tips! It was one thing I said should have came on the current MS3!

[UHATEIT]

this will probably get moved to that thread with ALL the other 2010 ms3 threads combined into 1, its like 13 pages now

[UHATEIT]

the hood scoop and the dual exhaust rock. Regardless of those who want to bitch about saying that dual exhaust on a 4 cylinder is rice (i expect those people to start posting shortly)

The car is nice, but the taillights are gross, the headlights and fog light holes are gross as well. I'm fine with what I have.

Tho I've complained about the hood scoop not being on the current ms3 from day 1.

[gtlaw]

the hood scoop and the dual exhaust rock. Regardless of those who want to bitch about saying that dual exhaust on a 4 cylinder is rice (i expect those people to start posting shortly)

The car is nice, but the taillights are gross, the headlights and fog light holes are gross as well. I'm fine with what I have.

Tho I've complained about the hood scoop not being on the current ms3 from day 1.

if you want I'll do just that(cryhard) fake dual exhaust is super gay, and adds weight... in the past I even removed the dual from my FC, and switched it to single. it saved a ton of weight

[kickniteasy]

still no AWD.....=(

[frito]

I saw the 2010 sedan at the dealer this weekend I am think the front end is really strange. It looks like big smile.

The scoop looks nice but I don't care one way or the other. Cars like NA toyotas have them so they really are not that "cool". On my subie it just made it hard to fit a larger intercooler and get a seal.

I think it looks nice and I would look at it for a purchase if I needed a car. My 08.5 will do until I get at least 10k miles :)

[Bonafide_Spd3]

Love the hood scoop, everything else... no good. Front end looks like crap... Glad with what I have

[Gmac03]

I'll save judgement until I see it in person and read some technical stats on it.

Gmac

[coyfish]

Would the scoop actually help cool the IC over the current model? I know the Subies have the scoops because their IC's are way in the back.

[msp 2212]

haha gtlaw i laughed my ass off at ur sign lol funny shit

[Nliiitend1]

No kidding...

Don't people look before they post??

[CBlueMS3]

I actually like the change in look.
Besides, the current MS3 looks happy too (it smiles as well) The upper grille just helps to detract from it some.
I'm stoked for the 2010 MS3. I doubt my family will want it, and I'm too broke to buy it on my own, but I'll still get a test drive.

[MSPturbo3]

i looked and he only posted it 2 min before me. i found the pics a week or two ago but i had to reset my account. sorry

[Hot Shot]

I thought the mazdaspeed versions rolled from model to model each cycle? Like from mazdaspeed miata, to MS6, to MS3, etc.

[pjb1180]

I could barely stomach a hatch, but the pre 10's were an exception. Now I wouldn't even get the sedan... God that thing is Butt.

[pjb1180]

Looks like they narrowed the wheel base too.

[protege02]

the rear is fine, the sides are fine, the wheels are fine, the scoop is ok(im assuming it's serving a purpose considering how long and wide it is), the front bumper is ridiculous(something done at hot wheels maybe, but i would bet some one out there will notice this and make an after market front bumper to go with rest of the car), and duals are ok. i would give the car a 8 on everything outside of the front bumper. my main reason is it's unique overall, and it's something extreme that almost looked perfect.

[Remspeed3]

WOW! maybe i should have waited for one of those...the hood scoop looks like it would be way more functional then the vented grill set up. I also like the dual exhaust regardless of what people say about it. Ok im editing this..the smiley front bumper is not that great but if you buy the car in black you will never even notice it..most people are probably not looking to mod there cars thats why mazda did the dual IMO..its more of an updated look and yeah pretty much eye candy!

[HondaEat-R]

You called it...here I am ! Haha. All kidding aside, not only is it marginally ricey, it's counter-productive as far as making power is concerned. If one was actually looking to make power with a 4 cylinder that had "dual exhaust" AKA split exhaust, that person should stick to single exhaust, just larger diameter. But I must confess, dual exhaust on anything = Eye Candy, I'm guilty of liking the look as well. When I had one of my FC's, I also went from dual to single, and the result....reduced weight and more power (...and fireballs ! (drive2) ) The taillights are Doo Doo, that grinning front Valance is nasty, the back of it reminds me too much of a CX-7, the wheels are out of the Altima SE-R's playbook.. On the other hand, the scoop is nice, nice stance, nice side skirts, prob very fun to drive.. We'll have to wait and see.

the hood scoop and the dual exhaust rock. Regardless of those who want to bitch about saying that dual exhaust on a 4 cylinder is rice (i expect those people to start posting shortly)

The car is nice, but the taillights are gross, the headlights and fog light holes are gross as well. I'm fine with what I have.

Tho I've complained about the hood scoop not being on the current ms3 from day 1.

[ecniemann]

I dig the side and rear lines, not crazy about the front either though, mainly the fog lamp housings. Do they really need to be that huge, and is the venting above the fogs even functional?

I did notice the hatch gets it's own key-hole now. Maybe it will have it's own key fob button as well to lock/unlock separately from the doors.

[copperhead455]

That big mouth catfish look is exactly why I ran right out and bought my True red 09 right after I saw the pictures of that thing. Got a hook and line? Get the stink bate ready.

[CBlueMS3]

You called it...here I am ! Haha. All kidding aside, not only is it marginally ricey, it's counter-productive as far as making power is concerned. If one was actually looking to make power with a 4 cylinder that had "dual exhaust" AKA split exhaust, that person should stick to single exhaust, just larger diameter. But I must confess, dual exhaust on anything = Eye Candy, I'm guilty of liking the look as well. When I had one of my FC's, I also went from dual to single, and the result....reduced weight and more power (...and fireballs ! (drive2) ) The taillights are Doo Doo, that grinning front Valance is nasty, the back of it reminds me too much of a CX-7, the wheels are out of the Altima SE-R's playbook.. On the other hand, the scoop is nice, nice stance, nice side skirts, prob very fun to drive.. We'll have to wait and see.

What's wrong with dual tips for modding? The SRT-4 guys have done really well by that method.
And some people do go to a single tip after market exhaust (again, citing the SRT-4 guys as my example). You either deal with the empty space in the rear fascia, or buy a different one.

[09TRMS3]

That shi* looks freakin fugly. i hope they dont come out with a speed version of this crap. the 4 door sedan might be okay but that crap looks like it belongs in the ocean.

[NoVa 2.0]

Lame... I saw this at the DC Autoshow last weekend. I never understand what companies have something good going, and then the take a 90deg left turn with a new design?

[TRDMS3]

LOL no love for the new generation

[SHaW]

Just need to get a new grill/bumper for this and it will look sick. This is growing on me, the ms3 one that is.

[fastguy]

the new ms3 dont look liek that i saw a sneak peak of them and they look like the new hatch stis more then that ugly thing

[hawaii3]

07-09 SPEED 3's FTW!!!

[18psiWhiteMS3]

what a relief, now im really happy i purchased an 09. that 10 is ugly

[Antonio DiMarco]

could look worse.....

Not sure what all you are complaining about. That pict that he pulled from the teaser video makes the car look good. Muscular and sporty.

They're defintely channeling the Peugot look.

You guys got to think out of the box. :-) I think it would look great in Black.

[18psiWhiteMS3]

You guys got to think out of the box. :-) I think it would look great in Black.

I prefer to think inside the box, and i think 09 white is FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[240ka]

what a relief, now im really happy i purchased an 09. that 10 is ugly

i second that motion. but metrogreymica is the best color haha

[18psiWhiteMS3]

lets start a poll, how do we???

[Gmac03]

I should of bought that MS6 when I had the chance. Boo.

Gmac

[dizzin9]

that is really GAY.

[ecniemann]

lets start a poll, how do we???

What do you want as poll options?

[kickniteasy]

we should start a new "yay" or "nay" thread to the new mazda 3 w/ poll

[ms3=evokilla]

Does any body know if its coming with a 2.3 or the new 2.5 because i know that the new focus rs is 2.5 turbo and its putting down 301bhp and 324lb ft.

[18psiWhiteMS3]

What do you want as poll options?

List the colors and what everyone thinks is the best color lol

[Sergius64]

Does any body know if its coming with a 2.3 or the new 2.5 because i know that the new focus rs is 2.5 turbo and its putting down 301bhp and 324lb ft.

Hearing 2.3, but we should know for sure pretty soon. Geneva Auto show starts on 5th of March and I think detailed information on vehicles becomes available a couple of days early.

[Aaron23]

MORE POWERFUL AND BETTER FUEL ECONOMY
Not to be outdone, the new available 2.5L engine on the s trim is now more powerful and smoother than its 2.3L predecessor. The 2.5L engine delivers an impressive 167 horsepower, 168 lb-ft of torque** and a new 6-speed manual transmission or available 5-speed Sport automatic transmission with manual-shift mode.

The i-trim is more fuel efficient — earning up to 33 mpg highway†, but is nonetheless powerful. Its robust 2.0L engine delivers 148 horsepower, 135 lb-ft of torque** and a choice of either a newly-available
5-speed Sport automatic transmission with manual-shift mode or 5-speed manual transmission.

[ecniemann]

we should start a new "yay" or "nay" thread to the new mazda 3 w/ poll

List the colors and what everyone thinks is the best color lol

Here ya go.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123734617
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123734616

[Nliiitend1]

Does any body know if its coming with a 2.3 or the new 2.5 because i know that the new focus rs is 2.5 turbo and its putting down 301bhp and 324lb ft.

The new Focus RS's engine is ALSO an inline-5.

I'm pretty sure the new MS3 is still going to be a 4-banger...

[joeylow]

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/mazdaspeed333/2010HAI.jpg

[joeylow]

The new Focus RS's engine is ALSO an inline-5.

I'm pretty sure the new MS3 is still going to be a 4-banger...

all the salmen i have talked to says it comes with the same platform as now 2.3L only abit more power

[Kain]

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/mazdaspeed333/2010HAI.jpg

laff. Yours definitely beats mine:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Kain/2010mazda3.jpg

[Donas64]

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/mazdaspeed333/2010HAI.jpg

hilarious

[18psiWhiteMS3]

that new focus rs will have shit load of potential with a 5 cylender

[Fenrir]

that new focus rs will have shit load of potential with a 5 cylender

Too bad they're not selling it stateside :\ I'd trade my MS3 for one so fast.

[ecniemann]

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/mazdaspeed333/2010HAI.jpg

Every time I check this thread for new posts, I can't stop laughing at this! Good job! Maybe you could get a job at Mazda design team.

[kickniteasy]

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/mazdaspeed333/2010HAI.jpg

winnar! Dude, that's the funniest thig I've seen on the internet in a while, very nice

[Hank3]

New pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/mazda1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda2-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda12.jpg

[BlackCherry06]

I think if I'd had any say in this design, it would have been to 1) completely re-think the lower air intake, and 2), extend the front fender character lines into the doors so it doesn't end so abrubtly at the fender / door seam. From certain angles, it doesn't even look like the front fenders belong on the car.

[ecniemann]

Very nice! Thanks for the pics! Actually changes my mind a bit. That smile is much less noticeable with a front license plate on it, which most of us are required to have anyway. Front end still looks a bit squashed top to bottom, mainly where the hood meets the bumper, but those pics are much better than anything I have seen so far. I think the rims have more character than what we currently have, less Match-box esque.

[Hank3]

A few more pics here:

http://www.motorauthority.com/2010-mazda3-mazdaspeed-mps-debuts-in-geneva.html

[BlackCherry06]

IMO, they should also grace us with the MPS badges this time around.

[Gmac03]

Still my vote is out until the specs on the engine/drivetrain comes out.

Gmac

[Nliiitend1]

Still my vote is out until the specs on the engine/drivetrain comes out.

Gmac

So far, they've announced that it's the same basic engine, tuned slightly differently, coupled to a 6-speed with revised ration...

[Metro Gray]

I prefer the current model inside and out. Really glad I picked up the 09

[07Speedfreak]

List the colors and what everyone thinks is the best color lol

Hey thats my old MS3 in your avatar(2thumbs)

[Gmac03]

So far, they've announced that it's the same basic engine, tuned slightly differently, coupled to a 6-speed with revised ration...

Well I would take those revised ratio's, that was one of the worst things coming into this car from driving an SR20 for so many years. But that alone wouldn't do it for me. Need something big to make up for those looks.

Gmac

[240ka]

best angle of the car. it hides alot of the hideousness but shows its muscle some what

but its too matrix/vibey now. i think the wheels help the cars look the most

glad i have my 09

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda2-1.jpg

[SallySpeed3]

best angle of the car. it hides alot of the hideousness but shows its muscle some what

but its too matrix/vibey now. i think the wheels help the cars look the most

glad i have my 09

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda2-1.jpg

Look at the line that starts above the rear wheel, and goes along the side of car, it slopes down horribly, then doesn't match up with the one in front wheels. It just makes the car look like it's drooping. Also looks like the rear doors are much smaller. I'll admit that I'm a little pissed because I know the HP and Torque numbers will be up, but I'm still glad I got my 08. Do like those wheels tho.

[ecniemann]

Look at the line that starts above the rear wheel, and goes along the side of car, it slopes down horribly, then doesn't match up with the one in front wheels. It just makes the car look like it's drooping. Also looks like the rear doors are much smaller. I'll admit that I'm a little pissed because I know the HP and Torque numbers will be up, but I'm still glad I got my 08. Do like those wheels tho.

Those are SPEED lines! Besides, seriously, if you extrapolated that line through the wheel, it would match up with the one on the front fender.

[F430TECH]

The front brakes look smaller...and the pic i found of it at the Geneva Show make it look like the wheels have about three inches of clearance from the fender wells...

Glad I have my 09, but just got a new job with a huge pay raise...Z06 anybody?

[Nliiitend1]

The brake sizes are unchanged for 2010:

Mazda 3 MPS dimensions and specifications for EU:

- Dimensions

Overall length: 4,505 mm
Overall height: 1,460 mm
Overall width: 1,770 mm
Wheelbase: 2,640 mm
Treads (front/rear): 1,535 mm/1,520 mm
Luggage capacity: 300 l with Bose® System

- Drive train: FWD
- Engine: MZR 2.3-litre DISI Turbo
- Displacement: 2,261 cm3
- Bore x stroke: 87.5 mm x 94.0 mm
- Fuel tank capacity : 60 l
- Max. output : 260 PS (191 kW) at 5,500 rpm
- Max. torque: 380 Nm at 3,000 rpm
- Fuel consumption

Combined: 9.2 l / 100 km
Urban: 13.5 l / 100 km
Extra urban: 7.5 l / 100 km
Emissions ranking: Euro Stage V

- Exhaust system: single-nanotechnology
- Transmission: 6-speed manual transmission
- Differential: Torque-sensing Limited Slip Differential
- Performance

Max. speed: 250 km/h
0-100km/h (EU): 6.1 s

- Steering: Electro-hydraulic power assisted system
- Turn lock-to-lock: 2.7
- Min. turning circle: 11 m
- Suspension, front: MacPherson strut
- Suspension, rear: Multi-link
- Coil spring rate, front: D26.8 N/mm
- Coil spring rate, rear: D29.9 N/mm
- Dampers, front: Twintube
- Dampers, rear: Monotube
- Stabilizer diameter, front: 26 mm
- Stabilizer diameter, rear: 25 mm
- Front brake type, diameter: Ventilated discs, 320 mm
- Rear brake type, diameter: Solid discs, 280 mm
- Coefficient of drag: 0.32 Cd
- Brake booster: 8″ + 9″ tandem booster & large 1″ diameter master cylinder
- Tyres, wheels: Dunlop 225/40 R18, 18×7.5J

Soruce: http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/03/02/2009-geneva-2010-mazda3-mps-officially-revealed/

[Nliiitend1]

^^Interestingly, the spring rate that they list for the front springs is lower than on the first gen cars (153 lb/in as opposed to 188 lbs.in). The rears are unchanged...

Does anyone know if the 1st gen Euro-spec 3 MPS had different rates than on the ones we got here in North America?

[coololddude]

The 2010 MS3 looks like it is smiling cause it is about to dust a WRX. Ha-Ha!!

[240ka]

The front brakes look smaller...and the pic i found of it at the Geneva Show make it look like the wheels have about three inches of clearance from the fender wells...

Glad I have my 09, but just got a new job with a huge pay raise...Z06 anybody?
im with you. the z06 is my next car. i like these new ms3 wheels though. i want them-powdercoated hyperblack

[F430TECH]

im with you. the z06 is my next car. i like these new ms3 wheels though. i want them-powdercoated hyperblack


Mercedes Benz of Sugarland has a 2008 Z06 in Red with red accents which i dont really like inside but they only want 58k for it with only 3000 miles...KBB is 63k...awesome deal...

I think I will wait another six months though until GM goes under then they will be giving them away...

[eg6motion]

honestly I think the regular 2010 mazda 3 has a more aggressive front end with the larger fog-light area (grills?) and the different lower lip area. Thats if you can make that front and qualify for "aggressive" in any form.

[240ka]

Mercedes Benz of Sugarland has a 2008 Z06 in Red with red accents which i dont really like inside but they only want 58k for it with only 3000 miles...KBB is 63k...awesome deal...

I think I will wait another six months though until GM goes under then they will be giving them away...

haha, they already are. last i saw they were letting brand new z06's go for 12k under invoice

[ElGaspo]

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/mazdaspeed333/2010HAI.jpg


i'm kicking myself that i didn't see this until today. this is some seriously funny shit. (rlaugh)(rlaugh)(rlaugh)(rlaugh) kudos.

[Remspeed3]

best angle of the car. it hides alot of the hideousness but shows its muscle some what

but its too matrix/vibey now. i think the wheels help the cars look the most

glad i have my 09

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda2-1.jpg

I think somebody should do a photoshop on this and take some more wheel gap out. This is my favorite pic so far.

[Antonio DiMarco]

I think somebody should do a photoshop on this and take some more wheel gap out. This is my favorite pic so far.

The body really works from this angle. That is also a very flattering angle for the 2009 MS3. I really don't think there is much wheel gap.

[TRDMS3]

2nd that

Best shot taken of it I've seen yet. The body style has a modern disign of a blob looking tho front end of which looks as if it was just slapped across.

[EngulfinFlames]

I like the ass on this. the front is ok. Performance, its pretty much alike. I'm glad i have an 08...could use some AWD tho. Tired of all this snow.

[TampaBlackMSP]

i just threwup in my mouth

(lol) yep

[456whpEvo8]

i just threwup in my mouth

X3454 Those are F'ing GROSS

[Saskatchewan17]

I now, officially... have the "old version" of the 3. You think I'm just the little 16 year old punk with the 08 speed3... wait two years and there will be a whole new slew of 'em with 2010 speed3s... bleh...

[Gmac03]

I now, officially... have the "old version" of the 3. You think I'm just the little 16 year old punk with the 08 speed3... wait two years and there will be a whole new slew of 'em with 2010 speed3s... bleh...

So true! I got this reaction from some 50yo guy the other day at a gas station!

Time for a new car.

Gmac

[bms1990m3]

drove a Velocity Red GT hatch yesterday...... Makes our 1st gen. 3's feel like tin cans in quality. Mazda did a great job on the quality of the new ones. The new 2.5l is great. Only good colors for the new 3 are DARK colors, EX: Copper Red Mica, Graphite Mica, Black Mica, etc...

[bbrich57]

What? I ain't giving up my white for no 2010 model!! :D

I kinda' like the scoopy sides. The front is ugly and will take a lot of getting used to, imo. We are all used to seeing Subies that look like this, but a Mazda? The scoop on the Speed is a good idea, but why a Subie copy? They could've been more original than that.
The back is not too bad, except the larger, more intrusive bumper cover and bulgy(??) tail lights.
Yup, this one is going to take a lot of work.... body work.

[cable43]

i just threwup in my mouth

i just got a spoon, scooped it up, and ate it

[bbrich57]

I think I can speak for everybody here: We didn't need to know that, cable. (puke) (headshake

[sanblaster]

bah!

[JakeZ]

I dont like the new model. I really want a new one because I dont want one that has a chance to be modded. But I cant get over the new models looks. It might grow on me though.

[Anna-chan]

just re name it "toyota matrix"

[Z00mz00mz]

My 5 yr. old girl said it all, "Daddy, that's a happy car, isn't it?" After she saw it over my shoulder. Couldn't help but crack up and agree.
I really do like the over all look, but that smile's a bit cheesy. :D

[cg3h22t]

New pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/mazda1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda2-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/Mazda12.jpg


That design looks alot like the Subaru's but the front end looks like a PEUGEOT 307 if any of you know in Europe :P

[bbrich57]

My 5 yr. old girl said it all, "Daddy, that's a happy car, isn't it?" After she saw it over my shoulder. Couldn't help but crack up and agree.
I really do like the over all look, but that smile's a bit cheesy. :D

It reminds me very much of Lightning McQueen from the animated Cars movie.

[jezterr]

meh. it could be worse.

[Anna-chan]

I like the dual exhaust and how the back end looks. the front end is interesting.

it looks better in that red color. the one that i saw at the chicago auto show was that horrible baby barf robin egg color.

the head rest in the back seats look like the ones in the mazda5 van. they're not very comfortable.

not liking the center console area but i like where they have the nav unit placed in.

and true, it could be a lot worse.

[jezterr]

dual exhausts... hmm. v4?

[oaklandopen]

It reminds me very much of Lightning McQueen from the animated Cars movie.

they actually say there's a hint of rx7 in the lightning mcqueen character

[Saskatchewan17]

The wheels remind me a lot of the old Nissan Altima SE-R

http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/TorqueOmata3193.jpg

[derspi]

^^

Yeah but they're actually identical to the current RX-8 wheels. They're probably the same ones.

[gugarci]

I like the styling of the 2010 models. I saw them in person today. Myself I'm interested in the new Speed3. However considering that the other 2010 3's gained weight the Speed 3 should also be heavier, unless they increase the HP significantly the 2010's will probably be just as quick as the old model. If the HP stay the same might even be a a little slower, lets' hope not.

[mattj3636]

http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/03/02/2009-geneva-2010-mazda3-mps-officially-revealed/

260 hp, 280 torque..

0-60 in 6.1

FWD

great job mazda, made the car uglier, heavier, didnt improve any performance, way to compete!!!

[Antonio DiMarco]

http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/03/02/2009-geneva-2010-mazda3-mps-officially-revealed/

260 hp, 280 torque..

0-60 in 6.1

FWD

great job mazda, made the car uglier, heavier, didnt improve any performance, way to compete!!!

More structural rigidity means more weight but it also may mean plans to put a larger engine in the car in the coming years. Think about it as a path to cost reduction fueling the ability to put a better drivetrain in a world-class car. It's no difference than what they did back in 2004 when they took a high end chassis (meant for Volvo) and built the original 3. Many manufacturers would have used a lackluster chassis because it was an "economy car" and ended up with a POS when they threw more power in it. Mazda did the right thing and spent money on the right chassis, the right interior and then added the DISI engine. Once they realize a ROI on the new chassis and upscale interior and get the manufacturing and parts supplies cheaper, then they may have the budget to throw a bigger engine with AWD in that baby.

As an example imagine what would have happened if Mazda decided to throw the DISI engine and the MS3 suspension in a less rigid chassis. It would have ripped that lightweight carcass apart and since you didn't have a solid structure on which to bolt the better suspension the thing would have flexed and felt horrible around the curves.

Try to think long-term before claiming that Mazda blew it. Mazda is smart. They haven't really made bad plays lately. Especially long-term.

[mattj3636]

so there stepping backwards to step forwards?

maybe makes sense, but i dont see the future, i just see the present,a nd right now, the present for the mazdaspeed 3 is terrible.

[zoom ms3]

So I logged onto the Mazda Dealer Network today at work cause I was curious too see if we would have any 2010 speed3's incoming and to my surprise we do but they are listed as "scheduled" which means they haven't been built and it will be 4-5 months before they arrive in dealerships!

Anyways thought I would provide everyone out there with the colors & options!

Velocity Red Mica
Celestial Blue Mica
Liquid Silver Metallic
Black Mica

all w/ Black/red interiors

and their is only one option group:

Technology Package - which includes Push-button start, MID(Navigation), Sirius, and Perimeter alarm.

There was no GT mentioned anywhere only Sport models. No pricing yet, it just said 0.00 lol

[Mazda3]

so there stepping backwards to step forwards?

maybe makes sense, but i dont see the future, i just see the present,a nd right now, the present for the mazdaspeed 3 is terrible.

I don't think they stepped backwards. They made a good looking car into a great looking car. They made an interior that was one step ahead of the competition, now two steps ahead. The improvements to the suspension and structure of the vehicle will take the handling up another level. And lastly the new gearing, smoother power delivery system, and awesome drag coefficient will take a couple ticks off the 1/4 mile time. No, it's not 300 HP and 1/2 sec. quicker, but I fail to see where they went backwards.

[zoom ms3]

I hear a lot of people talking about the drag coeffiecent being improved but it's actually .1 worse than the first gen. Current speed=0.31, 2010=0.32. Only the 2010 sedans drag improved(0.27 I believe from 0.29). The regular HB is the same as the first gen though just not the speed. But I agree they are not moving backwards, but I think for some people it's too far forward in terms of styling.

[andres20_t]

Dude... Thats Not Even The Speed Version... Thats Just The Mazda3... The Speed 3 Is Expected To Come With Dual Exhausts Ind Different Rims

[o0n8]

I think it's ugly, and why don't they make a sedan version of the speed? not that it would look any better.

Maybe if you can do something with the grill it will be all right

[Donas64]

Something just hit me today. For some unknown reason, I think I'm gunna love the 2010 speed 3. I think it's one of those: It's so ugly it's cute things.

[Mazda3]

I hear a lot of people talking about the drag coeffiecent being improved but it's actually .1 worse than the first gen. Current speed=0.31, 2010=0.32. Only the 2010 sedans drag improved(0.27 I believe from 0.29). The regular HB is the same as the first gen though just not the speed. But I agree they are not moving backwards, but I think for some people it's too far forward in terms of styling.

Better re-check your numbers. it was right in the Mazda press release for the 2010 Mazda 3 that the drag coeffiecent dropped on ALL models. It's now .29 on the sedan and .30 on the hatch. The Speed 3 specs haven't been released yet, but there will be drop there as well. So that's why everyone is talking about it becasue it's straight out of the press release from the LA autoshow.

[zoom ms3]

Better re-check your numbers. it was right in the Mazda press release for the 2010 Mazda 3 that the drag coeffiecent dropped on ALL models. It's now .29 on the sedan and .30 on the hatch. The Speed 3 specs haven't been released yet, but there will be drop there as well. So that's why everyone is talking about it becasue it's straight out of the press release from the LA autoshow.

The hatch is .31 according to Mazdausa.com but sorry the sedan is .29 anyways I was just saying that whether its .1 better or not it's not going to make that much change performance wise or gas mileage, it's something but not a lot. The main thing is that the air flows more efficiently into the engine bay. IMO marginally better airflow is not worth sacrificing styling..I'm sure it won't be hard to make it look better with some mods though.

[mazda_dan]

i went to windsor mazda in ontario and asked them what the differences were and they said the 2010 spped 3 has 300hp if thats true i guess im waiting for the 2010.

[gugarci]

i went to windsor mazda in ontario and asked them what the differences were and they said the 2010 spped 3 has 300hp if thats true i guess im waiting for the 2010.

Somehow I find that hard to believe. (screwy)

[kickniteasy]

yeah, I'm pretty sure we would have heard the WRX people crying from here if that were true.

[Mazda3]

The hatch is .31 according to Mazdausa.com but sorry the sedan is .29 anyways I was just saying that whether its .1 better or not it's not going to make that much change performance wise or gas mileage, it's something but not a lot. The main thing is that the air flows more efficiently into the engine bay. IMO marginally better airflow is not worth sacrificing styling..I'm sure it won't be hard to make it look better with some mods though.

Gas mileage ratings on the 2.0L sedan in Canada went from 46 hwy/34 city to 48 hwy/35 city (this is Canada so that's Imperial gallons) with no changes to the drivetrain, that's all credited to the improvement in drag coefficient.

Anyway, all I'm saying is that with the small improvement CD, the different gearing in the tranny, and the improved power delivery, I expect it will be a couple ticks quicker down the strip. Nothing life changing, but improved none the less. Where I think the big change will be is daily driveability. Power delivery will be smoother and I think performance will be more consistent in hot and cold weather.

[gugarci]

I've read in a couple of reviews of the new 3 that the 6 speed gearbox has been improved. That's good news. Power wise it should make a couple of more HP's to compensate for the added weight. I'm guessing around 5-7 HP's more.

[Donas64]

All I care about is this: Does it hold boost all the way to redline?

[Mazda3]

All I care about is this: Does it hold boost all the way to redline?

Can't answer that question yet. There should be some first drive articles released after the car is debuted at the autoshow.

[GoFast]

doubt it

[gugarci]

Isn't the new MS3 out in Europe already???
I wonder if they are some review out on the net.

[sjdmp5]

As the car debuts at the New York Show today, the information and pics on the 2010 are out.

http://www.mazdausamedia.com/content/2010-mazdaspeed3

[cjre1]

Question for everyone. How do you like the 2010 versus the other generations MS3? Should I buy this car? Despite the front end. I am talking about the mechanical, electrical and workmanship of the entire car?
Is this a better car than the prior year models? Thanks.

[mazpro]

Quote from the article, no power increase, they only changed the gear rations from 2nd to 5th gears.

The all-new MAZDASPEED3 continues to use Mazda's award-winning MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo powerplant. Delivering 263 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 280 lb.-ft of torque at 3,000 rpm, it made the original MAZDASPEED3 the most powerful front-drive performance car under $25,000, and remains one of the strongest engines in its class today.

With no need to increase power, the development team focused on harnessing that power more effectively. Engine output itself is more consistent, thanks to the hood-mounted intercooler scoop that not only improves intercooler airflow over the grille-mounted intercooler duct of last-year's car, but also frees up grille space for a fresh-air duct to feed the engine's intake. Breathing cooler air improves efficiency, boosting both real-world power and fuel economy.

The gear ratios in the compact, three-shaft gearbox have also been revised, with 2nd through 5th gear all getting slightly taller to make better use of the engine's abundant torque. The new gear spacing and refined engine calibration are focused on providing more linear, seamless power delivery. The advanced torque management system, which minimizes torque steer by adjusting torque output based on gear position and steering angle, has also been recalibrated. The new gear ratios allow more of the engine's torque to be utilized in the lower gears while still keeping torque steer at a manageable level.

[gugarci]

Going to wait till it's officially tested. Hopefully it's not slower. I might be in the market for one. I like my car but would like something smaller, with a stick, and I would also like to lower my car payments. My job is not safe. (bang)

But I was expecting at least a couple of more HP's. Hopefully the improved gearbox and the better gear ratios will not affect the performance.

From reading the information on that link I think it looks very promising. We'll have to wait and see until a production car is tested. I can't wait.

[TRuSp33D]

i dont see it

Ya. 2010 MS3's wont be out till the fall.
Those in the pics are just reg models. We have alot of those in my lot at work.

[TRuSp33D]

Quote from the article, no power increase, they only changed the gear rations from 2nd to 5th gears.

I hope that doesnt make it any slower. lol

[oaklandopen]

supposed to have a boost guage between tach and speedo as well...too lazy to look back to see if that's already been mentioned or not

[TRDMS3]

I could appreciate a mazdaspeed team refining all the details walking away from a previous generation having learned loads, the new speed soon to meet 2010. They just made good better! Wipe off the smile off that face and I will stop damning it!

[cjre1]

I could appreciate a mazdaspeed team refining all the details walking away from a previous generation having learned loads, the new speed soon to meet 2010. They just made good better! Wipe off the smile off that face and I will stop damning it!

The smile sure grows on you, but it is there for a reason. I like it. Ok, not totally 100%, but hell with drag coefficients of .29 and .31, I will live with the smile. I sure love these numbers.

[hondo898]

i saw a mazda 3 hatch in person, not the speed, and comparing the 09-10 side by side the 10 is defiantly bigger. it looks like a van when next to a 09....

[Mazda3]

i saw a mazda 3 hatch in person, not the speed, and comparing the 09-10 side by side the 10 is defiantly bigger. it looks like a van when next to a 09....

They are pretty much the exact same size.

[cjre1]

They are pretty much the exact same size.

The new 3 is 3 inches longer than the other years. Other than that, the rest is the same size.

[Mazda3]

The new 3 is 3 inches longer than the other years. Other than that, the rest is the same size.

The sedan is 3.5 inches longer, the hatch is only .5 inches longer which is nothing. Point being they are the same size so pretty much impossible for one to look like a van compared to the other.

[cjre1]

The sedan is 3.5 inches longer, the hatch is only .5 inches longer which is nothing. Point being they are the same size so pretty much impossible for one to look like a van compared to the other.

A van. LOL (hand) The new 3 looks and feels larger than 3.5 inches. I guess since the interior is a new design, it gives it the apperance of being much larger. For sure, much better quality. I am very impressed. I test drove all of the the mazda line for 2010 and love the new 2010 3 SGT.

[Mazda3]

Yeah, they are a great little car.

[AtlM5]

Heavier? You mean lighter(the new 3 is a good bit lighter than the old one) and with the new gear ratios it should be quicker. More structural rigidity doesn't mean heavier. The only thing I hate about the car is the clear taillights, but they are easily blacked out.

http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/03/02/2009-geneva-2010-mazda3-mps-officially-revealed/

260 hp, 280 torque..

0-60 in 6.1

FWD

great job mazda, made the car uglier, heavier, didnt improve any performance, way to compete!!!

[Mazda3]

Heavier? You mean lighter(the new 3 is a good bit lighter than the old one) and with the new gear ratios it should be quicker. More structural rigidity doesn't mean heavier. The only thing I hate about the car is the clear taillights, but they are easily blacked out.

The 2010 model is heavier.

[cjre1]

Yes, it is heavier by 103 lbs what I have read.

[PCspeed3]

I actually like the change in look.

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww53/polox85/untitled1.jpg

[wongpres]

The aero numbers for the 2nd-gen Mazda3:

Mazda3 MPS (i.e. MazdaSpeed3)
Coefficient of drag: 0.32
Front projection area: 2.217m2
Coefficient lift (front): 0.03
Coefficient lift (rear): 0.03

Mazda3 4-door
Coefficient of drag: 0.28
Front projection area: 2.217m2

Mazda3 5-door
Coefficient of drag: 0.30
Front projection area: 2.217m2

Source Mazda Motor Europe, so it is Euro-spec.

If I remember correctly, N. American spec 1st-gen numbers were .32 4-door and .34 5-door.

The aero numbers have improved significantly, and having driven the the 2nd-gen, it is quieter (although that comes from more than just aero numbers).

[my3needsaname]

I'm really late on this one but that is so much ugly in one place. (ughdance):eek:(pukey)

[Mazda3]

I'm really late on this one but that is so much ugly in one place. (ughdance):eek:(pukey)

Very original.

[Design]

http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/03/02/2009-geneva-2010-mazda3-mps-officially-revealed/

260 hp, 280 torque..

0-60 in 6.1

FWD

great job mazda, made the car uglier, heavier, didnt improve any performance, way to compete!!!

LOL, you're painting a pretty grim outlook based on a single data source. My guess is that Mazda kept 0-60 similar, and the taller gearing will probably allow you to hit a 60 (optimally) in 2nd. That in itself will reduce a .2-.3 second lag over the previous version.

I am expecting 1/4 mile and slalom numbers to improve due to the taller gearing, more linear power curve, and improved suspension. Best to withold judgement until a few editors test the U.S spec MS3.

[Antonio DiMarco]

LOL, you're painting a pretty grim outlook based on a single data source. My guess is that Mazda kept 0-60 similar, and the taller gearing will probably allow you to hit a 60 (optimally) in 2nd. That in itself will reduce a .2-.3 second lag over the previous version.

I am expecting 1/4 mile and slalom numbers to improve due to the taller gearing, more linear power curve, and improved suspension. Best to withold judgement until a few editors test the U.S spec MS3.

Thank you for breathing some sensibility into this crowd of naysayers.

[Mazda3]

Thank you for breathing some sensibility into this crowd of naysayers.

It is quite painful listening to all the narrow minds.

[my3needsaname]

Very original.
I know, but true to me. :)

[Antonio DiMarco]

It is quite painful listening to all the narrow minds.

They better watch it because Mazda may get sick of it, do a VW and castrate the 3 into something like the current Corolla-cloned Jetta. Which is a total chick car with no balls.

[Lord_Zath]

They better watch it because Mazda may get sick of it, do a VW and castrate the 3 into something like the current Corolla-cloned Jetta. Which is a total chick car with no balls.

lol

[The ManLaw]

agreed with the corolla-esq looks of the '10 3 sedan, not kidding i mistook it for one from the side.....

[Antonio DiMarco]

agreed with the corolla-esq looks of the '10 3 sedan, not kidding i mistook it for one from the side.....

Actually I was referring to the Jetta. The 3 looks nothing like the Corolla. IMO. :-)

[Saskatchewan17]

Haha... at least the new 3 is different and distinctive... I like the hatchback... the sedan is iffy at best for me. Mazda 3s are great cars. For economy car coin you get a truly sporty little runabout which is perfect for daily driving and spirited driving... its only downfall I can see is the gas mileage... I mean a Civic and Cobalt get 35 and 37 respectively, in their most fuel efficient, non-hybrid, forms. And mileage is what people are looking for these days... Me, I would much rather have a sporty little car like a 3 than any of the other boring econoboxes out there... except maybe a VW rabbit... still nah. Mazda 3 FTW!!!

[bbrich57]

Actually I was referring to the Jetta. The 3 looks nothing like the Corolla. IMO. :-)

Except that big, bulky, bulgy, bull-nosed badge on the front end. It reminds me of all the current Toys out there.
C'mon Mazda!! A little humble subtly is called for here.

[spikeisgr8]

sorry, but went to ny today to car show and saw the speed in person. wanted to badly to like this car, but found that the pictures are dead on. and not those glamour pictures mazda released. check out the ny pics, it just doesn't look great at all and nobody was giving it the time of day. and i'm not gonna say it won't be great performance-wise, but looks wise, i'll pass and keep my 08.5. front is just weird, rear is worse. wheels look small and car has lost it's euro look IMO which is what i loved most about this car.

[diddiyo]

saw it in person at the nyc auto show today. it's ugly. really ugly. i'm happy i'm picking up a 2008 model in a few days.

[GoFast]

saw one at the dealer today. doesnt look too bad. I can see it growing on me once i get used to it

[my3needsaname]

lol
times a bigilliongazillionmagillionfasho.

[The ManLaw]

dont think the new 3 sedan will ever grow on me, the 3hatch though is a def. love the looks even though even that looks slightly like a new matrix

[cjre1]

dont think the new 3 sedan will ever grow on me, the 3hatch though is a def. love the looks even though even that looks slightly like a new matrix

But rides much better than a matrix and has more power.

[FLFD138]

i like it except the front end i think they made it look ugly

[ViPeR689]

I'll probably end up buying the 2010-2011 MS3 in a couple years when I graduate from college, and I gotta say that the grill is starting to grow on me... At first I couldn't stand it, but when the car is in motion it doesn't look half bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24BqeZn55ZU&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sGnlNd95Gs&feature=channel_page

[Lord_Zath]

Is it me, or is there no sound in those vids?

[cjre1]

I didnt hear any sound either.

[ViPeR689]

There is no sound, but I'd rather listen to my own music than the elevator music they put in those types of videos.

Still, the car looks nice moving around on the road IMO.

[Saskatchewan17]

There is no sound, but I'd rather listen to my own music than the elevator music they put in those types of videos.

Still, the car looks nice moving around on the road IMO.

I think they were more thinking about the sound of the car than the shitty elevator/lounge music they put in those promo videos.

[cjre1]

Any sound would of been great to hear.... JK. I want to hear the engine more than anything else.

[ViPeR689]

This is true. Although it is nice to see the car in motion... I'm glad I don't mind the look of the grill because it may mean I'm only one of the few who's driving it around lol.

[cjre1]

The grill is acutally growing on me more and more each day that I see this car. Maybe I should buy one soon. I have the 2007 M3 GT. I really like the 2010 better.

[ViPeR689]

Ahoy fellas, I have found a video of the tester MS3 with sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Il4FJZXcI4&feature=related

[cjre1]

Great video, thanks.

[my3needsaname]

Sounds like the old MS3 has a better exhaust note. But I couldn't hear much from that vid so who knows.

[SDSpeed3]

I am SO happy I bought an '09.

I can't stand the look of the front end on the '10's.

I like the fact that the '07-'09 Speed is a sleeper car that most people couldn't distinguish from a regular 3.

The new hood scoop screams "Look at me, I'm trying to go fast!"

[Lord_Zath]

good for you.

[Pololo_MS3]

I am SO happy I bought an '09.

I can't stand the look of the front end on the '10's.

I like the fact that the '07-'09 Speed is a sleeper car that most people couldn't distinguish from a regular 3.

The new hood scoop screams "Look at me, I'm trying to go fast!"

+1!!!

Our cars (07-09) just regained some value :) :) When my kids first saw the car at the dealer the other day, they asked me if the designers were just too happy to finish with the car that they ended up adding a smiley face up front. Now they have officially nicknamed the new 3 as "the funny smiley car".

No way I'll buy one of these...I guess I am keeping mine a bit longer :)

Carlos

[GoFast]

if you all think that the new front end is bad on the mazdas, you should see the acuras. talk about bad!

[my3needsaname]

True but the new TL has grown on me...after seeing a brown on brown TL SH-AWD with optional wheels and some other sweet treats at the auto show, they are pretty sweet.

[GoFast]

^^ and that is exactly what will happen with the 3. hard to swallow at first, but it will grow on you

[my3needsaname]

Honestly, I hope not. The TL only grew on me because the SH-AWD model I saw at the San Francisco Internation show was just so nice you couldn't say no to it. So far I haven't seen a Mazda3 that does that for me yet. But who knows what I'll find in the future.

[bbrich57]

if you all think that the new front end is bad on the Mazdas, you should see the Accra's. talk about bad!

+1!!!

True but the new TL has grown on me...after seeing a brown on brown TL SH-AWD with optional wheels and some other sweet treats at the auto show, they are pretty sweet.

I don't think I will ever like that front end, no matter how much I see it. Same as the 3i's withe the chrome strip on top of the grill. At least you could get some auto striping tape and black them out. And for those that like the chrome look, they don't have to do anything.

^^ and that is exactly what will happen with the 3. hard to swallow at first, but it will grow on you

I had the same reaction to the face-lift model 3, but I have gotten used to it now. Sad, but I'm sure that sooner or later I will get used to the '10's too.

[Newf]

This car looks great from some angles, and really bad in others. i need to see it in person before I decide. The look of the normal 3 is growing on me as well.

What I wish for is AWD. I mean if your going after the wrx, then GO AFTER IT! They got the awd system,make it happen.

[BlackCherry06]

If they don't want to make it standard, at least offer it as an option.

[Newf]

as an option would be nice. i mean I understand why some don't want AWD. But up here, before I even seen the MS3, I had already decided on the MS6 due to AWD. The weather up here just doesn't work well with high power fwd setups.

[detonnation]

I was hoping someone would mention the new TL design. JFC they ruined that car. The back lights were what made the car look so dope. Now it looks like every other car on the market. It was one of my favorites too.
M

[mazdaspeedster3]

That new 3 wagon looks like a Matrix from the rear.

[808 Pro lx2.0]

hopefully maybe the speed3 will look better

[Pololo_MS3]

hopefully maybe the speed3 will look better

No, it won't... It looks like a Matrix with a hood scoop...This new MS3 car will be discontinued in a year or two, you'll see...

Carlos

[slowtege5]

I agree. That's the first thing i thought, it was a f#*$ing matrix. Only the matrix prob looks better. And what's up with duel exhaust, cant they just leave well enough alone.

[bbrich57]

It's not the nature of the beast. In this case rather sadly not the nature of the beast.

[Lord_Zath]

I actually like the new ms3. So there :-P

[bbrich57]

Well there is that, and there is always one.....

[my3needsaname]

Well there is that, and there is always one.....
lolx2!

[king57721]

I will wait for the Ford Focus RS...

[Hank3]

I will wait for the Ford Focus RS...

Jost Capito, recently installed as the man in charge of Ford’s global performance division, said in an interview with Autocar that it would be too expensive to make the car (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1772980#) suitable for sale in the US, despite Ford’s intentions to bring more European models to America.

“We’d like to, but the base car isn’t homologated for North America and that’s too costly a job to carry out just for a niche vehicle (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1772980#) like the RS,” said Capito.

Ford will start selling the Fiesta in America next year, and already sells the Transit Connect there.

Read the full interview with Jost Capito by clicking on 'Jost Capito: the full interview' (http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/240351/)

[Nliiitend1]

Anyone who thought the current RS was going to actually come over here has had their head in their ass.

The NEXT RS (that will be based on the next-gen C1 Focus that will be coming to the US), however, still has a pretty good chance of making it here, if you ask me...

[HondaEat-R]

I will wait for the Ford Focus RS...

It's not likely coming over here. Trust me, I was going to buy one. I like those a lot.

[TRDMS3]

forgot about this thread... RS is anyone's dream but too much of a rally car for me. Outgoing mazdaspeed3 was ideal, it's a great balance... nothing screams "over 250 ponies" on the outside but when it goes it goes. Long live that generation.

[ViPeR689]

I got a quick question for you guys. I've been a fan of the 2010 MS3 since they revealed it, but I don't like how obvious the hoodscoop makes the performance of the car. It's too Subaru/Mitsubishi for me, so I was wondering....

Do you think the performance of the engine would be compromised if you put a regular 2010 Mazda3 hood on the 2010 MS3? I mean, there's obviously a reason the scoop is there, but if it's the same engine as the current-gen MS3, then is the scoop even necessary?

I for one think that the looks would be much improved, even if some strongly dislike the smile.

[Antonio DiMarco]

I got a quick question for you guys. I've been a fan of the 2010 MS3 since they revealed it, but I don't like how obvious the hoodscoop makes the performance of the car. It's too Subaru/Mitsubishi for me, so I was wondering....

Do you think the performance of the engine would be compromised if you put a regular 2010 Mazda3 hood on the 2010 MS3? I mean, there's obviously a reason the scoop is there, but if it's the same engine as the current-gen MS3, then is the scoop even necessary?

I for one think that the looks would be much improved, even if some strongly dislike the smile.

The current mazdaspeed3 has it's hoodscoop integrated into the grille with ductwork running behind the grille into the intercooler. The 2010 doesn't have this design instead they use a traditional hoodscoop. Removing the scoop would kill the airflow to the intercooler thereby killing turbo performance. So no scoop is not possible. Hope this helps answer your question

[ViPeR689]

The current mazdaspeed3 has it's hoodscoop integrated into the grille with ductwork running behind the grille into the intercooler. The 2010 doesn't have this design instead they use a traditional hoodscoop. Removing the scoop would kill the airflow to the intercooler thereby killing turbo performance. So no scoop is not possible. Hope this helps answer your question

Answered it perfectly man, thanks!

Although that is kind of depressing because now people will think twice before taking on the MS3...

[DanSpeeD3]

i will see this week if i can get the 2009 mspeed3. im not sure i like the 2010 mspeed3. dealer say its the same price. but im gonna try if they going to drop the price of 2009.