Coolant line alternatives?

[kamon8404]

I was wondering if anyone found any alternatives to the metal coolant lines of the stock msp setup. Mine are rusty and need replacing. I was just wondering if anyone was running any different setups.

[neox.286]

well, you can get stainless steel braided lines from ATP turbo I believe....just make sure it's got the right size banjo fittings on the ends and that it's the right length and it should fit fine

[Keno1542]

or you could get regular rubber coolant lines(like heater lines) and put the correct banjo fittings on them

[neox.286]

yea either way would work

the braided lines are obviously more expensive, but I'd recommend them more since you will be running them very close to the EGR tube, which gets VERY hot.....which is why there is a metal line for that portion anyways

if you route it further down in the engine bay though that would avoid that issue however

not to mention the bling factor you would get from braided lines haha

[kamon8404]

Do they make an adapter/fitting to run the SS line into the stock silicone line/elbow?

[mp3-79bronco]

just use the coolant lines that go to the throttle body

[Keno1542]

one note about ss lines is if they are not secured properly and are rubbing on anything softer than steel, they will cut through the other object(ie aluminum head, aluminum/plastic piping etc.)...something i didnt think of until a little while back when a racing mechanic mentioned it to me

[Keno1542]

just use the coolant lines that go to the throttle body

he already has a msp, he just wants to replace his current setup

[neox.286]

hmmm, you mean stainless steel -> silicone hose? not sure if they offer that. you'd probably want to run a stainless steel line from the turbo to the water feed in the back

or are you saying run a stainless steel braided line to the three-way rubber fitting on the front of the block (for water return)? idk if they make any stainless lines with barbed fittings on the end...you'll have to check out ATP turbo

I haven't personally looked at their site for this, but magnump5 says there is supposed to be stainless water line stuff on there (we were having a similar discussion in another thread yesterday haha)

[magnumP5]

Yes, you can get a -6 AN hose end that goes to a 3/8" barb fitting if that's what you're getting at. Go browse through ATP Turbo's website for a bit and you'll get an idea as to what is possible. I don't necessarily know the quality of ATP's fittings but if they make it then higher quality companies like Earl's should also make it (though much more expensive).

[kamon8404]

What did you do about this then. Check out part number 24.

[magnumP5]

I haven't personally looked at their site for this, but magnump5 says there is supposed to be stainless water line stuff on there (we were having a similar discussion in another thread yesterday haha)
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=tp&Category_Code=ATP-FTG1

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=tp&Category_Code=ATP-FTG2

Our turbos and most smaller GT series turbo's use 14 mm banjo bolts and fittings. Our coolant lines also correspond to about a -6 AN line. When I build my motor and upgrade my turbo I will be going with all braided steel lines for everything. I want to do this because I want to clock the turbo center cartridge 20 degrees toward the coolant inlet (so the outlet is higher than the inlet) like it is suggested on Garrett's website.

[magnumP5]

What did you do about this then. Check out part number 24.
Keep it there and just get a hose end with a barb fitting that will fit into it. It'd be a short line but still...

[neox.286]

I can vouch for ATP turbo's quality...they are local to me and I've ordered hundred of dollars in parts from them....their stuff is top quality, and much cheaper than if you order from turbohoses haha (who are also local to me)

[kamon8404]

So I could do this.

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-FTG-003&Category_Code=ATP-FTG1

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-FTG-012&Category_Code=GRT

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-FTG-028&Category_Code=ATP-FTG1

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-FTG-022&Category_Code=ATP-FTG1

[neox.286]

yup, exactly

and for the back of the motor is uses another 14mm banjo fitting (I believe it's the same in the back as it is on the turbo) so you would just need another adapter and banjo fitting for the back

grab a tape measure and measure the length you'll need to reach the feed spot on the back of the block though....I believe it's 3 feet you need for OIL feed from the turbo to the oil feed on the back, but you may need 4 feet to reach the water feed location

[kamon8404]

I'm going to just feed the coolant lines back into the stock locations.

What kind of oil feed adapter does the block use?

[neox.286]

oh, you're just replacing the metal lines directly on the turbo? you should be fine with two foot long hoses in that case

as for the oil feed adapter...it's Teed in on the back of the block in line with the OEM oil pressure sender....just above and to the driver's side of the oil filter

it's a -4AN fitting, so if you get a 3 foot -4AN braided line that will bolt up on the back of the block....and I believe it will bolt to the turbo as well, however I don't recall if it will for sure or not....any one else remember if it is -4AN on the oil feed hookup on the turbo side?

[kamon8404]

Yes its a -4an to bolt to the turbo. I'm just not sure on the block what kind of fitting is back their.

[neox.286]

yea, it's a -4AN fitting on the back as well

I'm pretty sure that it's a male fitting blockside...so if you got a -4AN oil line (female on both sides from ATP turbo) it should bolt up to both sides fine

[kamon8404]

To do the oil lines I would need this:

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-FTG-029&Category_Code=ATP-FTG1

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-OIL-014&Category_Code=ATP-OIL1

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-FTG-016&Category_Code=ATP-FTG1
or
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-FTG-017&Category_Code=ATP-FTG1

Damn this shit adds up!

[neox.286]

not sure why you want the angled swivel fittings...you don't need those

the -4AN oil feed line is female on both ends and will bolt up directly with what is already on the car....the only fitting you will need otherwise is the oil feed fitting on the top of the turbo


or are you wanting the swivel fittings for the oil return? honestly, just leave the oil return stock...it works fine stock and it's not visible....there is no reason to switch the return setup from what it is and would just be wasted money since you'd have to tap/weld the oil pan and find a way to block off the windage tray setup that comes stock....which works rather well as is

[kamon8404]

Oh snap I just realized what you are saying. I dont need anything except the first 2 things. Got ya.

[neox.286]

for sure, if you have anymore questions just let us know (thumb)

[SeR_Cyclops]

I want to see pictures if you do this, i bet it looks awesome.

[kamon8404]

I'll be doing it as soon as the weather breaks here .. its 35 right now but thats the high for the week.

Does anyone think I should use like teflon tape or lock tight on the fittings?

[SeR_Cyclops]

yeah use the liquid teflon tape, if your not careful with the telfon tape you can put it on backwards so when you tighten the fitting up it can just unroll on the inside and it can possibly leak. but with the liquid it cant, lol the liquid actually is a really really thick paste that looks like marshmello cream.

[kamon8404]

I'll check that out, thanks man.

[magnumP5]

Do NOT use liquid teflon or teflon tape on AN fittings! Period!

[kamon8404]

Do NOT use liquid teflon or teflon tape on AN fittings! Period!

ok. So you dont need anything?

[blueprotegelx]

no matter what post pics! i know a few have been having issues of routing the lines (me as well) and would be tremendous for those going turbo to actually see pictures of lines ran.

and yes this does get very expensive when doing braided lines. i'm going to run stock coolant line and get a braided line for oil.

[magnumP5]

ok. So you dont need anything?
You can use it (and are encouraged to) on NPT, BSPT and other threads, just NOT on AN fittings.

[neox.286]

I think he was asking what you recommend to use to seal it with on an AN fitting haha

to be quite honest I didn't know you aren't supposed to use it on AN....any particular reason why?

[kamon8404]

Yeah I was just trying to get recommendations on what to seal it with if anything.