Need Help Guys!

[shaitsta]

Alright so here is the deal... Im 17 and a senior in high school. I have been trying to convince my dad to let me purchase a Forge BPV but he is adament about saying NO.

I need some solid concrete reasons for why I should order one myself aka the benefits etc... ASAP


THANKS!!

[marashka]

Unless your stock one is faulty - no reason to replace. Buy something else...

[PCspeed3]

I am in your same boat, except I had to get a valentine one without my pops knowing. So all I did was got a money order from my bank and mailed it to them. It takes longer but whats the rush? Good luck with convincing. Tell him it helps prevent compressor surge lol (like he will know what that is...)

[shaitsta]

haha... he thinks it "unnecessary" ... He would kill me if I ordered it without him knowing...

[wisniaPl]

wtf go to job and buy it by yourself i hope that he is not paying for mods??

[shaitsta]

IM PAYING!!!!! it's not the money...it's the principle for him

[shaitsta]

*with my own money...

[Speed3Rookie]

Dad knows best. :D

uh...you could also quote me to him..."Forge FTMFW". lol

[Fenrir]

You're 17. Spend the money on a girl.

[shaitsta]

well so much for the help...im now fighting a losing battle on two fronts....

[shaitsta]

*I have a girl dont need to spend more money on her..

[H3br3w_Ham3r]

well so much for the help...im now fighting a losing battle on two fronts....
What is he saying is wrong with a Forge BPV? Does he not want you to have a faster car? I'm 16 and convinced my parents that the mods I do are for track days and auto crossing.

Try and say that since the stock valve leaks you are losing power and fuel efficiency

[rapter]

yeah man tell him it saves on fuel milage, and NUMBER 1 it helps release the unnessecary pressure in the car, so the turbo lasts longer. LOl

That should work.

[shaitsta]

thanks guy... He just thinks it's something that I dont need to put on...he says my car is fast enough (obviously it is fast)... Ill work on him though.

[shaitsta]

unfortunately my dad is not that clueless... no offense... he knows when and how I use my car and although i love it as is I always want it to be better

[GoFast]

who bought the car for you? whos name is it under? personally you dont need it and do you really want to deal with the hassle of having to take it off anytime you go to the dealer. is hearing a louder phhh worth it? nope. you have an ms3 probably one of the faster cars at your school leave it alone and save for college

[shaitsta]

my dealer is pretty mod friendly so i dont have to take it off.

I like the loud pshhing noice....plus its not like i'm spending a million dollars for it...its 150!

[Renzokuken]

Dude, If you have a boost gauge or dashhawk, just go to your car, loosen one of the stock BPV bolts, and show him, how much the stock one leaks.

[shaitsta]

unfortunately i have neither....more 'unnecessary" stuff in his mind...im kept on a pretty tight leash....sort of... mod wise i mean

[H3br3w_Ham3r]

Tell him that its keeping you from spending your money on drinking and smoking(smoke). I think that is one reason my parents like me being so focused on my car. Plus they race too so they understand why I want more speed.

[rapter]

^ lol yeah thats actually a good one.

but dude your 16 man whats the hurry.
when i was 16 or 17 i had a 1991 mazda protege. It was the shitz man, and when i got sweet asss hub caps from Wall-mart. it was pimped my ride. lol

just chill

[mazdaspeed32007]

*I have a girl dont need to spend more money on her..

yea, screw dat biotch! i dont spend money on my woman either. she makes me dinner. she cleans my floor. she does my laundry! nah, she doesnt. im sorry. im going to go buy some more car parts to ease my brittle heart.

[bluelion]

what if instead of a forge bpv, you try to convince him to let you get an intake...you will hear the stock bpv plenty and you will actually gain power.....and you can use the excuse that an intake has better flow so better gas mileage and so forth. or, if that still doesnt work, you can cut a decent sized hole in the bottom of your stock airbox and get a k&n filter and you can actually hear the stock bpv a little bit....not as loud as an aftermarket intake, but it's a free mod.

[AutoEuphoria]

Why do you have to convince your dad to allow you to spend money on your car? And if it's not your car, you shouldn't be modding it. Get a job, take over the payments, and if you have any money left over THEN you can buy whatever you want.

[GoFast]

my dealer is pretty mod friendly so i dont have to take it off.

I like the loud pshhing noice....plus its not like i'm spending a million dollars for it...its 150!

ok.

based on your non existent response to my other question of who owns the car and who's name is it under, I am going to assume that either your pops payed/pays for it and/or it is under his name. either way, you lose and he wins. besides even if i am wrong here, your dad is your dad and you are the kid therefore, you lose.

[AutoEuphoria]

Exactly. If you're not making the payments on the car, you just have no place to modify it. That may not seem fair, but it's the truth. If the car is in your dad's name he probably wants to keep it as stock as possible for warranty issues and for resale value. If you want to modify the car, take over the payments and the insurance, and be prepared to fix any issues on your own. Until then, save up for college and be glad you don't have a car payment that eats into your monthly cash supply like most of us do.

[djthom]

here is what you do...
go to your dad and say "thank you for such a dope car at 17" then go enjoy your free mazdaspeed3.

sorry man i just can't relate to your situation...

[Circle9]

I would promise not to mod the car if my dad was making the payments for me! I don't relate, for you to have a Speed3 at age 17 is very lucky.

[MSMS3]

Why do you want the BOV in the first place? I'm guessing just for the "sound," to show off to your buddies. That doesn't make the car quicker or faster. That mod, I respectully submit, ain't gonna get you much in performance gains. The Forge piece is a nice one, but unless your stock valve in leaking, it's not where you should start with mods.

Like others have said, work hard, save your money, and get a good intake. Start there. Or get a Dash Hawk and find out if your BOV is leaking.

Mine is not leaking (at least not yet), so, even with CAI, DP-RP, no cats, I haven't found a reason to upgrade the BOV yet.

[speed3driver]

I'm 18 man, i say just go for it.. your a senior.. your supposed to be having fun. and whats fun about having a stock speed 3? The car was made for us to mod.

[AutoEuphoria]

...not if you don't pay for it. May be just my opinion, but it's not like you would add on an attachment to your parent's house.

Again, I'm just guessing...if you do pay for your car and everything, I say go for it.

[jon619]

Exactly. If you're not making the payments on the car, you just have no place to modify it. That may not seem fair, but it's the truth. If the car is in your dad's name he probably wants to keep it as stock as possible for warranty issues and for resale value. If you want to modify the car, take over the payments and the insurance, and be prepared to fix any issues on your own. Until then, save up for college and be glad you don't have a car payment that eats into your monthly cash supply like most of us do.

This is good advice. I wish someone would pay for my car payments. I'd have tons of money left over for modding. Just be happy you got a nice car for nothing and don't make your dad mad. He might just trade the MS3 in for some crap car.

[mazdaspeed32007]

wow. if someone took over my 400+ payment i could save that much more amonth. damn, id be retired like. 5 years earlier. lol.

[Russm]

If you live under your fathers roof you live under his rules !

[mazdaspeed32007]

If you live under your fathers roof you live under his rules !

you spelt responsibility. just throwing that out there. hahaha

[mr_mazda329]

unfortunately my dad is not that clueless... no offense... he knows when and how I use my car and although i love it as is I always want it to be better


Just get a black forge and he may never notice...(shady)

[SubieKiller3]

who bought the car for you? whos name is it under? personally you dont need it and do you really want to deal with the hassle of having to take it off anytime you go to the dealer. is hearing a louder phhh worth it? nope. you have an ms3 probably one of the faster cars at your school leave it alone and save for college

It only takes like 10 minutes to install/remove it. even an inexperienced person can install it in a very short amount of time. and i really dont think the dealership will care or they might not even notice if you get the black one. i highly recomend the forge bpv no matter if your modded or not because the stock bpv is a plastic piece of crap and most likely is leaking, causing you to lose boost presure. your turbo with probably last a little bit longer as well. if your dad ever rides in the car with you just turn up the radio really loud and try not to gun it. he will never notice the sound.

[Abilor]

Just get a black forge and he may never notice...(shady)

FTW! That's what I would do, and my dad wouldn't have noticed.

[Rotus8]

FTW! That's what I would do, and my dad wouldn't have noticed.
IDK, the Forge makes a very distinctive noise that isn't there with the stock valve. Even an old partially deaf guy like me would notice immediately.

[eg6motion]

here is what you do...
go to your dad and say "thank you for such a dope car at 17" then go enjoy your free mazdaspeed3.

sorry man i just can't relate to your situation...

no kidding...a 22-24K car in highschool...parents have gotten flat-retarded...apparently along with their kids. Im sorry, I can't sympathize with this situation either. Best bet, stop bothering him and drive HIS car nicely...jebus

[BlackSpeed]

i bought mine while i was a senior in high school. i still have yet to do anything to it due to the extremely high payment. if my parents bought it for me and they told me not to mod it there is no way i would even think about it.

[UHATEIT]

You must be lucky that your parents spent 25K on a car for you while you were in high school and bought you a fast one at that. Some of us have to work 2 jobs to afford a fuckin car while still going to school...

[abovie3]

im a senior in highschool also, but i paid for my car myself. started saving up for a car since the first time i rode in my uncles vette (9 years old) and been workin since 13..lets just say its all i spend money on the rest i save for college. having no payments left on my car i started modding it and the first mod anyone should do with this car is shifterbushings and motor mount. bpv isnt necessary unless your stocker is leaking (mine was) or your running more boost. so its only if you want to be another one of those parking lot racer kids.

oh and anytime you want to buy something for your car, just give one of your buddys with a credit card the cash, and have them order it for you and it shipped to their house. simpleeeee.

[GoFast]

It only takes like 10 minutes to install/remove it. even an inexperienced person can install it in a very short amount of time. and i really dont think the dealership will care or they might not even notice if you get the black one. i highly recomend the forge bpv no matter if your modded or not because the stock bpv is a plastic piece of crap and most likely is leaking, causing you to lose boost presure. your turbo with probably last a little bit longer as well. if your dad ever rides in the car with you just turn up the radio really loud and try not to gun it. he will never notice the sound.

have you not read these forums?? (stfu) do you know how many warranties get voided for stupid shit like a bpv or an intake??

You are right about something though; it does only take 10 minutes to change out. the problem with that logic is this: pretend you are cruising down the highway and your car stalls. it gets towed to the dealer and you werent able to take the bpv off and put the stocker back on. now you find out that your turbo is blown and mazda is not paying for it because they voided your warranty for the aftermarket bpv. now your out the money to replace the turbo, money for the tow, and your dad is pissed because he said not to do mod your car. now, was it worth it to hear phhhh when you shift?? you need to look at the whole picture before you give advice like what you gave. perspective.

[mr_mazda329]

have you not read these forums?? (stfu) do you know how many warranties get voided for stupid shit like a bpv or an intake??

You are right about something though; it does only take 10 minutes to change out. the problem with that logic is this: pretend you are cruising down the highway and your car stalls. it gets towed to the dealer and you werent able to take the bpv off and put the stocker back on. now you find out that your turbo is blown and mazda is not paying for it because they voided your warranty for the aftermarket bpv. now your out the money to replace the turbo, money for the tow, and your dad is pissed because he said not to do mod your car. now, was it worth it to hear phhhh when you shift?? you need to look at the whole picture before you give advice like what you gave. perspective.



LoL...Serious much?

[GoFast]

LoL...Serious much?

lol every now and then, yes.

[SubieKiller3]

have you not read these forums?? (stfu) do you know how many warranties get voided for stupid shit like a bpv or an intake??

You are right about something though; it does only take 10 minutes to change out. the problem with that logic is this: pretend you are cruising down the highway and your car stalls. it gets towed to the dealer and you werent able to take the bpv off and put the stocker back on. now you find out that your turbo is blown and mazda is not paying for it because they voided your warranty for the aftermarket bpv. now your out the money to replace the turbo, money for the tow, and your dad is pissed because he said not to do mod your car. now, was it worth it to hear phhhh when you shift?? you need to look at the whole picture before you give advice like what you gave. perspective.

Ok first of all mr. smart guy, you dont have to get the car towed straight to the dealership. i would have the car towed to my house first, then swap out the valve and/or whatever other mods, then take it in the next day. yea it might cost you some extra money in towing but im sure it would be cheaper than replacing a blown motor/turbo. or if your someone that is that paranoid that something like that is gonna happen just keep your stock valve in the back of your car with the proper tools that you need.
and as for the phhh sound that the forge valve makes, it really isnt the best sounding valve out there honestly. if i was doing it just for sound i would get a turbosmart hybrid, hks, or some kinda bov that makes a cool sound. this valve is more for people that care more about getting good performance at a decent price. so how is that picture for you? maybe you should go read the bov/bpv facts thread before you try to give your perspective.

[mr_mazda329]

10mm socket setup along needle nose pliers and 5 minutes of time FTW!!

[PCspeed3]

why does every thread turn into a warranty argument?

Just slap some duct tape to you stock BPV so it wont leak lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHPHWrXeIPY

[zoomdoom]

why does every thread turn into a warranty argument?

Just slap some duct tape to you stock BPV so it wont leak lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHPHWrXeIPY

(iagree) Duct tape ftw snap ring pliers are way over-rated for the CP-e kit lol. I wish I could see what happened when he tried to drive that.


have you not read these forums?? (stfu) do you know how many warranties get voided for stupid shit like a bpv or an intake??

You are right about something though; it does only take 10 minutes to change out. the problem with that logic is this: pretend you are cruising down the highway and your car stalls. it gets towed to the dealer and you werent able to take the bpv off and put the stocker back on. now you find out that your turbo is blown and mazda is not paying for it because they voided your warranty for the aftermarket bpv. now your out the money to replace the turbo, money for the tow, and your dad is pissed because he said not to do mod your car. now, was it worth it to hear phhhh when you shift?? you need to look at the whole picture before you give advice like what you gave. perspective.

(nobody) I dont think he asked for warrenty advice lol. Looks give he already has a few mod's from his sig ( not sure how his dad would let him have the intake but not bov). Anyway just keep AAA and swap out parts at your house if you really think it is likely your car will be "stalling on the highway" due to a intake/bov lmao. I also dont understand why you get on here if your keeping everything stock just to harrass people about their warrenty and make them paranoid?(gtfo)

[SubieKiller3]

(iagree) Duct tape ftw snap ring pliers are way over-rated for the CP-e kit lol. I wish I could see what happened when he tried to drive that.



(nobody) I dont think he asked for warrenty advice lol. Looks give he already has a few mod's from his sig ( not sure how his dad would let him have the intake but not bov). Anyway just keep AAA and swap out parts at your house if you really think it is likely your car will be "stalling on the highway" due to a intake/bov lmao. I also dont understand why you get on here if your keeping everything stock just to harrass people about their warrenty and make them paranoid?(gtfo)

yea some people are just pussies when it comes to modding their cars because they're afraid of their warranty getting voided so they gotta go and be all negative towards other people talking about modding their cars.

[MSMS3]

I don't think this thread is about responsible adults deciding to mod with parts that would void their warranties. I'm 58 years old. I've been driving performance cars for a long time. My MS3 just hit only 8K miles. I'm clearly out of warranty with my mods and was within a couple thousand miles. I made that choice. I paid for the car. I'll be reaching into my own pocket if I have a problem.

I think the discussion of warranty issue here is whether a 16-17 year old who is driving a new car purchased by his dad, titled in his dad's name should to a possible warranty voiding mod without dad's permission, and also whether the Forge BOV is a good investment as a first or early mod if the stock piece is not leaking under boost.

[GoFast]

I think the discussion of warranty issue here is whether a 16-17 year old who is driving a new car purchased by his dad, titled in his dad's name should to a possible warranty voiding mod without dad's permission, and also whether the Forge BOV is a good investment as a first or early mod if the stock piece is not leaking under boost.

thank you. atleast somebody reads

[GoFast]

(iagree) Duct tape ftw snap ring pliers are way over-rated for the CP-e kit lol. I wish I could see what happened when he tried to drive that.



(nobody) I dont think he asked for warrenty advice lol. Looks give he already has a few mod's from his sig ( not sure how his dad would let him have the intake but not bov). Anyway just keep AAA and swap out parts at your house if you really think it is likely your car will be "stalling on the highway" due to a intake/bov lmao. I also dont understand why you get on here if your keeping everything stock just to harrass people about their warrenty and make them paranoid?(gtfo)


i am not giving him warranty advice persay. what i am saying is that the car is his dads and its not really up to him to be deciding what mods are acceptable. if you bought your kid a brand new 23k dollar car and he/she did something that voided the warranty wouldnt you be pissed?? im looking at it from the other perspective;his dads shoes. I agree that the bov isnt going to cause the car to stall or break etc...but do you think mazda hasnt tried to screw somebody over stating that the aftermarket bpv caused it?? they've done it with intakes, so why not an aftermarket bpv?

[DaleNixon]

Reminds me of when I was 17 and my dad wouldn't let me put a chrome naked chick on the back of my '86 F-150.

[GoFast]

Ok first of all mr. smart guy, you dont have to get the car towed straight to the dealership.



so do you automatically get this defensive every time somebody has a differing opinion that yours?


i would have the car towed to my house first, then swap out the valve and/or whatever other mods, then take it in the next day. yea it might cost you some extra money in towing but im sure it would be cheaper than replacing a blown motor/turbo. or if your someone that is that paranoid that something like that is gonna happen just keep your stock valve in the back of your car with the proper tools that you need.
and as for the phhh sound that the forge valve makes, it really isnt the best sounding valve out there honestly. if i was doing it just for sound i would get a turbosmart hybrid, hks, or some kinda bov that makes a cool sound.

all of this is nice if you own the car and not your dad who told you not to put a part on but you did it anyways. thats the perspective i was giving, smartguy

[shaitsta]

ok so just to clear everything up...the car is under my dad's name...i DO work however and pay for mods and stuff like that...

THIS REALLY IS NOT A WARRANTY ISSUE...

All i wanted to know is if it worth it to spend 150 bucks and install a new bpv... i really just wanted the facts to explain to my father why i should be allowed to buy it myself or not...


Thanks to everyone who helped haha

[mazdaspeedster3]

Borrow a Dash hawk and show him Vacuum with the stock and how it losses boost pressure in higher gears and that with the Forge it will hold that pressure and not waste any power. that is really your only benefit that you can be honest about.

Good luck!

[shaitsta]

haha thanks thats really all i was looking for....i didnt mean to start a warranty debate or a debate on whether i deserved my car because of my age

[MSMS3]

Regardless of what you do, please, please, understand that an aftermarket BOV IS a warranty issue if you have an engine problem. Dealers look for ways to void warranties, and they'll do it on the slimmest of grounds. Fact. That dream dealer that any of us may think is mod friendly can change tunes in a heart beat when there's trouble.

I'm prepared to face that with my pocketbook on a warranty that's on a car that I own.

You may stop reading now. But if anyone is still interested:

Under the heading of "more information than necessary" but to put things in context, let me say that I started racing cars on the drag strip when I was 17 years old. My family owned (still does) and operates to this day an automotive engine rebuilding company, automotive machine shop and builds custom performance engines -- what some call "speed shop" work.

At 19 my dad put me in a new 1970 A body Mopar (lightest body they made) with 340 engine, four speed, and 3.91 posi. We ordered the car from the factory with "delete" on every option we could to keep it light. Hell, it didn't have air conditioning, did not have power steering or power anything, even did not have a radio. First thing we did was take off everything else we could that was not necessary to be stock legal at the strip and lighten it up more. Second thing we did was pull the engine, the first week we had the car! Warranty went out the window.

We did a showroom stock "blueprint" on the engine, putting everything at the exact optimum racing tolerance while staying within stock specs. made sure that every rod, every piston, weighed the same thing, balanced the crank and all reciprocating mass, decked the block at minimum height to get compression at the maximum spec, and milled the cylinder heads so that every cylinder had as close to equal volume as possible, (but could not port or polish and stay in class), put in a stock "cheater" cam that would read normal lift and duration but would come up on the power curve rather violently and still be within specs. That cam profile was only good for about 10,000 street miles before lobe wear would reduce performance.

The list goes on and on as to what you did with engine and chassis mods to race in showroom stock classes in those days and absolutely clock everybody else. Running mid 12's on 100 octane fuel within all stock specs, without headers and on DOT legal street tires. Leaving hard put the left front tire about 3-4 inches off of the ground.

But, and this is a BIG but -- we were doing this as a family project and it was with full knowledge and open cooperation of the owner of the car - my dad. My now grown daughter had a need for speed and learned to drive and still drives in modded turbo cars (relatively mild mods but enough to void warranty) -- Saabs are her preference and a proud dad helps her with the tech side.

Since a teen, I've always had modded, sometimes highly modded, but stealthy sleeper cars. This time around the MS3 got my attention and I love it. Once in your blood, it never leaves.

[AutoEuphoria]

OK:

Pros:
- adjustability...various springs (differing in strength) are included in case you decide to modify more later on
- won't leak...the stock piece might (stress MIGHT...you won't know for sure until you log it or something
- resale value if you decide to sell it. You can usually sell these pretty quick, and for pretty close to purchase price
- looks better than the stock plastic piece
- different sound than the stock piece
- metal construction might be more robust than the stock plastic piece

Cons:
- might not do anything for you if your stock unit is not leaking and you are running stock boost levels.
- if a Mazda dealer saw it and identified it as aftermarket, they might void your warranty

[AWDthis]

ok so just to clear everything up...the car is under my dad's name...i DO work however and pay for mods and stuff like that...



I dont think you realize their point. Point is that if your dad is paying for it you should stick to the rules. You dont get a loaned car from a cousin and modify it do you? I know its a little different but its the same point. When I was 16 my parents got me a Civic. Within the 1st week I was tired of everyone beating me in the little piece of shit. I gathered a couple thousand dollars and when I asked my dad if he could give me a ride to work for a week because I was going to swap an engine on it he laughed so hard I almost cried. Instead I turned around, got a steady job and as soon as I hit 18 I went and put the money as a Down and got my car under MY name and made my payments. I can modify it is as I wish. Hell Im almost 21 now I cannot get myself a motorcycle because my parents told me they do not want to see a motorcycle in their house...So you see we are in the same boat almost...your fighting for a BPV and im fighting for my motorcycle...As for the BPV dont get it as your first mod, if your going to get introuble for getting it already might as well get a CAI..much better turbo spool noise and powarrr! :D

[SubieKiller3]

i think you should check around for dealers that are cool with mods. start a thread on here about how your looking for mod friendly dealerships in or around your city, state, etc. then you dont have to worry so much about getting your warranty voided just for a few minor mods when just for going in and getting an oil change or whatever kinda service. if you get a CEL, just simply remove your mods and take it in. ive heard of dealerships that will even suggest that to people who have mods.
and as far as your dad, i say you stick it to the old man and just go ahead with your modding. gotta step up to pops sooner or later and let him know your a grown ass man. just crank some Twisted Sister on your stereo("we're not gonna take it") and your good to go!

[AutoEuphoria]

^if you follow that advice, try not to cry when your dad takes your keys away.