Engine Build Questions

[MSpeedFreak03]

i blew the motor in my MSP and now im building it thanks to protege garage helping me with questions and such... but instead of bombarding ken with questions i will ask forum members!

im getting forged internals 9:1 and keeping the stock turbo for now list of other bolt ons to come with the build:

thunder or steed speed exhaust mani, SMIC hardpipes, 626 intake manifold, forge MS bypass valve

now question is should i go UNICHIP for safety reasons or SS AFC. i know the pro and cons to each from the advertisement thrown out, i want the real down low on each to be a reliable daily driver and not blow my engine need advice!

[KrayzieFox]

Build the internals, ditch the SMIC for a FMIC instead.. and definitely get a SS AFC to improve the shitty stock tune.

[MSpeedFreak03]

im building the motor already thanks for that!

im not a computer guru how hard is it to tune the SS AFC

[Captain KRM P5]

i blew the motor in my MSP and now im building it thanks to protege garage helping me with questions and such... but instead of bombarding ken with questions i will ask forum members!

doesn't bother me whatsoever



im getting forged internals 9:1 and keeping the stock turbo for now list of other bolt ons to come with the build:

thunder or steed speed exhaust mani, SMIC hardpipes, 626 intake manifold, forge MS bypass valve

now question is should i go UNICHIP for safety reasons or SS AFC. i know the pro and cons to each from the advertisement thrown out, i want the real down low on each to be a reliable daily driver and not blow my engine need advice!

if you are going forged, you might as well consider a good front mount intercooler kit and bypass the SMIC / pipes route altogether. i prefer the AFC because it is user tunable and has more range, i feel, over the unichip.

[MSpeedFreak03]

hey thanks ken i appreciate everthing... well i guess i will go with the CS FMIC then...

dose the SS AFC come with a base safety map so i dont destroy the new engine?

[Captain KRM P5]

yes, it comes with a very solid basemap

[MSpeedFreak03]

should i go ahead and try to budget in for an AEM UGE as well for tunning... i will probably be running the stock t25 until i goes byebye?

[Captain KRM P5]

a wideband is essential to proper tuning for any turbo car

[MSpeedFreak03]

and another thing ken, if i get the corksport FMIC dose it have a BOV flange on it or dose it work with the stock bypass... will the forge MS BOV bolt up to the CS FMIC?

[Captain KRM P5]

i can order it with whatever BOV flange you like. if you order with the stock flange the Forge will work great.

[MSpeedFreak03]

hey ken just sent PM... i think the legg work is almost complete and want your final oponion on the parts list i have compiled... and again thanks to ken for all his GOD knowledge, all hail the protege garage GOD!!!!!

[Captain KRM P5]

haha, thanks. pm sent back.

[zuku26]

Sounds like you've made some great choices for your car, and went to the right person help make those choices, good luck on the build, and post some dyno numbers and pics.

[Ricktalife]

yea man just boost the shit outta that t25 until it dies then you'll have a reason to upgrade!

[zuku26]

Actually the t25 is a rather decent turbo, and has more then enough power to get most jobs done. With the right tuning and supporting mods, you'll do great with the T25, be sure to weld that LSD though. It would suck to take all that precautions with the EMS and forging just to get stranded because of the LSD

[blkonblkMSP]

Actually the t25 is a rather decent turbo, and has more then enough power to get most jobs done. With the right tuning and supporting mods, you'll do great with the T25, be sure to weld that LSD though. It would suck to take all that precautions with the EMS and forging just to get stranded because of the LSD

+1 im in the process of building mines too.. so yea be sure to get that LSD welded.

[MSpeedFreak03]

LSD welded... im just going to get a better LSD when i rebuild the tranny after my tax return... i will also be doing coilovers and rims and tires in the next 6 months!

[MSpeedFreak03]

i trying to figure things out, i feel like im going to be waisting my money on this car because no-one can crank the power i am looking for in this car... i figured it wasnt going to cost more than 6k to do it man was i wrong... i need a gt28rs to get her to 300+whp?

[Captain KRM P5]

i really would not try to get 300 whp on the T25. honestly that is way outside the efficiency range of the stock T25. if you go with a GT2554 or GT28RS, you'll be in so much better shape to make that number and make it efficiently.

[MSpeedFreak03]

wow thanks ken theres more money down the drain... man i thought this wasnt going to that big of an endevor. now i have figured out why everyone has moved on to better platforms

[Captain KRM P5]

at the point you'll be spending, a new turbo is honestly water under the bridge :)

[MSpeedFreak03]

thanks for that ken... i love you help and honesty... you make me smile... honestly how many proteges can crank up the boost and hit 450whp? is there anyone that can do that?

[dave45090]

wow thanks ken theres more money down the drain... man i thought this wasnt going to that big of an endevor. now i have figured out why everyone has moved on to better platforms

At this point I would say your not a MSpeedFreak03 but a MSpeedRealist. "Money down the drain" is a dirty phrase around here. We love Mazda....for the good and the bad.

[Captain KRM P5]

honestly how many proteges can crank up the boost and hit 450whp? is there anyone that can do that?

and be a reliable street car? i can count on one hand how many cars here have done that. you could cut a finger off and i'd still be able to count on one hand how many have done that.

[KrayzieFox]

thanks for that ken... i love you help and honesty... you make me smile... honestly how many proteges can crank up the boost and hit 450whp? is there anyone that can do that?

There's so much wrong with our cars that prevent us from hitting those high numbers. EVERYTHING is too weak.

1. Engine
2. Transmission
3. Axles

And the list goes on..

[MSpeedFreak03]

MSpeedRealist... i love it... anyways that sux... so the potential of the car is lower than i thought and so is my pocket book (shrinking at the thought of making a high HP protege)

[blkonblkMSP]

thanks for that ken... i love you help and honesty... you make me smile... honestly how many proteges can crank up the boost and hit 450whp? is there anyone that can do that?

-Mazdaspeed2003.5
-Jdmsam
-superprotege

im sure there is more that i didnt mentioned

[Captain KRM P5]

CWill - 409WHP

[GiJoe]

wow I just started a thread about this... but where do you go to get these things, I am not very technology friendly lol I cant ever get the thing to do what I want lol

[MSpeedFreak03]

so 4 maybee 5 can hit 450+ man thats alot lower than i expected... i figured with the aftermarket support and such this car could easily hit 400... thanks for the reality check people... now time to go think about speed... need speed!

[Captain KRM P5]

you have to ask yourself too, honestly, how much power you want to push to the front wheels on this car. anything above 300 makes the car much harder to drive under certain conditions. at 400 plus with all the things you are changing out its becoming less of a street car and more of a race car.

[yellowmsp035]

if you want to see what a high horsepower build looks like.. look up Mazdaspeed2oo3.5 or myself and look at the parts and work that go into it. then think of the money it takes.

after all that, think of how much you love your car and what you want out of it.

you probably wont go down the road that i did, but im in too deep to ever turn back now

id aim for high 200s - 300whp.. that is PLENTY fast for the streets.. anything above that gets a little out of hand

(who am i to talk, im quite the hypocrite haha)

[speedy gonzales]

I push the stock t25 to the limit with forged internals and I made only 230WHP at 13 PSI (turbo don't want to push more at high RPM)but 290L/TQ with 16 PSI all this on a mustang dyno so if you have the money change the turbo, by the time you have the engine out.

[MSpeedFreak03]

I made 210 whp on the mods below in my signature on 10 psi... i thought the car would be screaming for more boost... i get what you all are saying i guess 300+ whp is a good goal then!!!

[GiJoe]

I made 210 whp on the mods below in my signature on 10 psi... i thought the car would be screaming for more boost... i get what you all are saying i guess 300+ whp is a good goal then!!!

im planning a 350 hp build around a GT28RS gotta get them forged internals tho.. im actually surprised you havent had any piston rod problems on that 10 psi

[MSpeedFreak03]

hello look at my signature i blew my motor on 9psi, i was on 10 psi for the dyno day and now i have to rebuild and i figured i would just go forged internals now too!!!

[speedy gonzales]

I made 210 whp on the mods below in my signature on 10 psi... i thought the car would be screaming for more boost... i get what you all are saying i guess 300+ whp is a good goal then!!!

My too ,I made 215WHP on a dynojet with 3" TB GHL,unichip,FMIC,EBC turbosmart e-boost2 at 11PSI on stock bloc.Since that I add 626 IN mani ,Steedspeed EX mani,440cc injectors controled with megasquirt.

[GiJoe]

hello look at my signature i blew my motor on 9psi, i was on 10 psi for the dyno day and now i have to rebuild and i figured i would just go forged internals now too!!!

my bad man lol I aint even thinkin about that GT28RS until I get the internals, but where did you find th SS AFC?? I have all the stuff order for the motor just not the tune...

[mp3-79bronco]

you can get the afc from protegegarage.com

[MSpeedFreak03]

most of the parts im going to get are going to be from ken at www.protegegarage.com

of coarse i will see how much i can get out of the stock turbo before i get the GT28RS.... or will i?

[GiJoe]

idk if I would try for more than 12PSI out of it... thats jjust me though I had a buddy that pushed 18 out of his, but he had the cold side bored out and replaced with subaru internals... idk y but he did

[MSpeedFreak03]

WTF subaru internals... ok maybee he knows something i dont... interesting?

[Captain KRM P5]

you can get the afc from protegegarage.com

its an exclusive goody to me :)

[GiJoe]

WTF subaru internals... ok maybee he knows something i dont... interesting?

idk I was hopeing one of you could explain that one to me, his uncle worked at the local subaru dealer and apperently they keep spare turbo internals at the dealer...:dodgy: but yeah idk what the point of that is, but he said that they were better made than the Garret but I dont think theres enough metal to bore out the housing to fit the 30 internals... idk its just what he said so I agreed for the sake of arguement...

[GiJoe]

its an exclusive goody to me :)

word, well its added to my shoping cart... oh to have hopes and dreams lol

[MSpeedFreak03]

whats the max boost that the t25 is capable of... well i saw a thread 277whp i think it can go farther and im going to test the waters... i have come to the conclusion that im upgrading the fuel system aswell and going to run the stock turbo at ???psi when everything is said and done maybee crank it up more... 660cc injectors, upgraded fuel pump, everthing to eliminate boost spike and boost creep... and SS afc and an inovative LC-1, with and exhaust temp gage and then tune the crap out of the stock turbo and run asmuch boost as i can the head to the dyno!

[GiJoe]

idk man, id be shady to run that stock turbo that hard for to long lol just sounds like trouble...

[MSpeedFreak03]

i see the worst thing happenning is blowing the turbo... the it will be time for the disco potato

[KrayzieFox]

I wouldn't push the stock turbo past 12-13 psi. It can probably handle a couple lbs more than that, but how reliably? Also, those 660cc injects will probably be overkill.. I don't think you'll need all that for. High flow fuel pump, yes.. insane flow injectors.. prolly not.

[Captain KRM P5]

the stock t25 really isn't all that great. frankly the 277 whp seen on it was, in my mind, a rare aberration and not at all the norm. after 14 psi you're pushing hot air and overworking the unit outside of its efficiency range. i'd never run more than 14psi and thats with the best of intercoolers, fueling, intakes and exhausts

[BadBandar]

If ur looking for 300+ ponies i think u might need to go with Haltech or soemthing thats stnadalone. Can AFC handle the numbers he is looking for ken?

And dont forget the lsd. If u got a deep pockets a Quaife is calling ur name. And with all that i can see ur 300+ hp beast being pretty reliable.

[Captain KRM P5]

300 whp and larger injectors would probably be the limit for the AFC. above 300 i would go with a haltech system.

[Deatschwerks]

Ill be running Haltech on my FC when its all said and done with. As far as injectors, Ken can get you set up when you need em :D

[Captain KRM P5]

thanks mark. got another order coming your way this week.

[MSpeedFreak03]

well i have so many options and man to many things going on right now im like a little kid in a candy store whenever i go on protege garage and look at the stuff im going to get man i cant wait!

[.mazda.speed.]

well i have so many options and man to many things going on right now im like a little kid in a candy store whenever i go on protege garage and look at the stuff im going to get man i cant wait!

LOL i know exactly how you feel!

[junya1985]

Also for the front mount this one is just coming out and a damn good price also
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123729889&page=8

[MSpeedFreak03]

the only problem i see with that FMIC is it has alot of coupplers and lots of sections of pipe more places for boost to leak out or coupplers to blow off... not saying that is going to happen but its a general rule when you go for higher boost levels!

[MSpeedFreak03]

this is what i got now for the build:

wiesco 9.0-1 pistons
K-1 rods
total rebuild kit (bearings/gaskets ect)
MAM FMIC
MAM intake
Split Seconed FTC
Spec stage2+ clutch
Spec flywheel
inovative LC1 wideband
optima yellow top battery
CorkSport 52mm radiator
Spal slim fans
GT spec strut bar
SLS side engine mount
Greddy Profec 2 EBC

whats the verdict what do you guys think?