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[Captain GJ]

Found this article with a pretty nice looking shot of the 2010 Mazda 3. not sure if it has been posted yet.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/225669/mazda_sharpens_up_its_act_on_new_3.html

If it ends up looking anything close to this, I'll be impressed. Apparently the article also mentions the mazdaspeed version of the car, saying that it will look much meaner than the current MS3.

[mdavis]

it also says it will only have 250 hp.....lame

[bacarl]

those are all european models, anyways

[Kindred]

The image has been posted before and somebody pointed out that it's most likely a fake image as there's a shot of a Mazda 6 with the same exact background and even parts/lines of the car make it look like it's just a Photoshopped image.

edit
Here's the .gif that somebody posted.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/doubleAron/attachment.gif

[PCspeed3]

well thats pretty badass IMO.

[///M Compact]

It looks like an Altima mated with an Acura TL...

[kneedragger241]

Ewww... it looks like a Saturn.

[sunny4201]

That thing looks ugly, even though its not fully done yet and there's all dat shit covering it.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/latest_news_reviews/2010_mazda_3_spied

[micronesia]

Hard to tell from just that picture tbh...

[mckraut]

I sort of like it.

[Kain]

You can't make out jack crap except that it's a sedan. Let's reserve judgment for the unmasked final production model.

[CoolWhip]

From what I can see in the pics ... I like it.

[mazdaspeedster3]

Just like when they said the 3 was the Protege growing up, looks like an older more adult version of the 3.

[speed_3]

Kinda looks like they through in a little EVO Back end in there, it sure is alot higher then it was.

[UHATEIT]

DUAL exit exhaust = NICE!
Rear spoiler and 3rd brake light = NICE!

Clear taillight lenses = RICE!!! (not another wrx set of clear lenses DOOOH!)

[oaklandopen]

DUAL exit exhaust = NICE!
Rear spoiler and 3rd brake light = NICE!

Clear taillight lenses = RICE!!! (not another wrx set of clear lenses DOOOH!)


i agree with the dual exhaust look...makes every car look a little better imo.

and yea you can't really get a good opinion about the looks cuz they love doing that "camouflage" tape around those test cars

[Bu11dogg2]

See my signature

[AWmustang]

See my signature

AMEN!!!

[CoolWhip]

AMEN!!!

We need to shed some weight ... AWD = heavier and drive train loss.

[Antonio DiMarco]

That thing looks ugly, even though its not fully done yet and there's all dat shit covering it.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/latest_news_reviews/2010_mazda_3_spied

The point is to make it difficult to tell what the styling cues are. For instance the prototype pictures of the new Mazda6 had huge plastic covers over the nose and the tail to hide a lot of what made the styling pop. I think you can't judge the styling until the final model comes out without all "dat shit".

[paylew]

Mazda dealership gave me a copy of "Zoom Zoom" with a few other pictures, you still can't tell much but it doesn't seem to look that bad. Just have to wait and find out!

[stockms3]

I dont know if anyone actually read the article so here's a quote "We also expect the powertrain lineup to include the revised 2.5-liter four-cylinder (170 horsepower) as well as a new 1.6-liter rotary engine, details of which could be released as soon as this fall’s L.A. auto show. "

ROTARY in a 3? lol that's something new :D

[LASERBLUE135]

I dont know if anyone actually read the article so here's a quote "We also expect the powertrain lineup to include the revised 2.5-liter four-cylinder (170 horsepower) as well as a new 1.6-liter rotary engine, details of which could be released as soon as this fall’s L.A. auto show. "

ROTARY in a 3? lol that's something new :D

yah!!! and a 1.6 rotary??? concider the RX8 240hp 1.3 rotor...what does this mean? a MONSTER MS3 rotary??? this has to be an edit/typo right?

[AWmustang]

We need to shed some weight ... AWD = heavier and drive train loss.

That's why it will be optional. The cons you mention pale in comparison to the Pros for me.

I'm not saying it's for everyone. I just want it.

[CoolWhip]

yah!!! and a 1.6 rotary??? concider the RX8 240hp 1.3 rotor...what does this mean? a MONSTER MS3 rotary??? this has to be an edit/typo right?

... Oh man I could honestly see myself getting a 2010 MS3 if it comes out ...

[oaklandopen]

yah!!! and a 1.6 rotary??? concider the RX8 240hp 1.3 rotor...what does this mean? a MONSTER MS3 rotary??? this has to be an edit/typo right?

yea...but with that 1.6 rotary you may as well have a V8 with 4X the displacement considering it's gas mileage

but i'll admit that's an amazing concept, it would be lighter and it would scream at full throttle

[15min5k]

Have have very little in the way of torque. No thanks.

[CoolWhip]

Have have very little in the way of torque. No thanks.

True.

What about a 2.5 L Turbocharged MS3?

[F430TECH]

Yeah...the current RX-8's aren't to quick compared to our cars...although...I wouldnt know as I have never raced one...officer...

[Buyer]

yah!!! and a 1.6 rotary??? concider the RX8 240hp 1.3 rotor...what does this mean? a MONSTER MS3 rotary??? this has to be an edit/typo right?

It's called hype....they will never produce a FWD rotary 3

[15min5k]

I drive a RX-8 on a regular basis and it's not even in the same league as a MS3 as far as power. It's not exactly slow but it isn't anything to call home about either. THe Speed3's current powerplant is plenty IMO. I would only suggest stronger motor mounts, suspension upgrades, etc.

[Captain GJ]

Wow. Looks awesome. And yes, this is the U.S. spec, GT version of the 3.

http://jalopnik.com/5060845/new-mazda3-sedan-to-debut-at-la-auto-show-duh

[DaleNixon]

That looks really really good. I was worried about it after seeing some of those older shots. I can't wait to hear the engine specs.

[mdavis]

it kinda looks like a saturn.

[Captain KRM P5]

not liking it

[alca0811]

ditto

[shadow1077]

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=57544&vf=17

[Donas64]

I like it better than the 6 redesign. Better proportions. Still a little too much going on styling wise. Curios to see how the 5 door turns out.

[BillTheCat]

Might just be the "wide angle" look of those images, but it looks to have that "bulbous ass" problem so many newer cars have these days. And I'm not keen on those taillights. Mazda's use of projector style head & taillights is one of the reasons I like their recent designs so much. Glad I got the '09.

[daonly1around]

i'll hold me opinions until i see the hatch, i'm not digging the whole front end with no upper grill... kinda like a mx5 with no upper griller, way to rounder for my liking

[DaleNixon]

The "bulbous ass" protects you from Navigators on cut springs who don't pay attention to red lights.

[Oxymoron]

Personally I really like the new design. I wonder what a Speed version would look like...

[Alexsered]

Personally I really like the new design. I wonder what a Speed version would look like...

I think they have a great base car to work with to make a speed3. But mazda's history proves that they dont make two model cars as "speed" cars, like they are making a mazdaspeed3 right now, they wont be making a speed3 for the next body style. I have a feeling that the next speed car is going to be the rx-8.

if they do make a speed RX-8 for the states, I might have to buy one. Give me a rotary with 300+ hp and that is music to my ears.

[Captain GJ]

I think with the critical praise and brisk sales of the 3 and speed 3 it would be foolish for them not to release a mazdaspeed version, especially following a redesign.

Here's an article speaking about the new speed 3 a bit. Looks like they were pretty spot on about the new 3.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/225669/mazda_sharpens_up_its_act_on_new_3.html

[tiagotiago]

I'll save my judgement until I see it personally. I like some things and others not so much.

But, like Billthecat,I'm happy with the one I bought. It's just right for me.

Additionally, the UK page suggests, something that was previously posted here: That the future MPS/Mazdaspeed version will have the Ford/Volvo 2.5 I5 turbo engine. I think it's a bit odd, since I'm sure Mazda spent a fair amount of money in R&D for the MZR DISI. Tough I also suspect there WILL be a future version of the car. It gets positive press and is selling well(I think), why not offer a product that people want, and that gives you good press?

[leadf00t]

The "bulbous ass" protects you from Navigators on cut springs who don't pay attention to red lights.

LMAO !!!!!!

[daonly1around]

I think they have a great base car to work with to make a speed3. But mazda's history proves that they dont make two model cars as "speed" cars, like they are making a mazdaspeed3 right now, they wont be making a speed3 for the next body style. I have a feeling that the next speed car is going to be the rx-8.

if they do make a speed RX-8 for the states, I might have to buy one. Give me a rotary with 300+ hp and that is music to my ears.

how do you figure that, they made a speed protege, and the next model protege IS the 3, and they made a speed3...

[iknospd3]

i like it definately looks better than the 6

[Je5ter]

I like it.. Kind of reminds me of a BMW 3 series

[TRDMS3]

i like it definately looks better than the 6

better? Looks like a smaller 6 to me, nevertheless all line of new Mazdas share too many of the same ext. outlines to me and I don't like it. (sleep)

it's a matter of time tho I guess before we see the new 3 with a set of nice rims in our neighborhoods real soon and we will all be praising it... any car looks different in person as opposed to a minimized pic on a webpage

[DaleNixon]

It does look better than the 6. It's the subtle things like keeping round exhaust tips etc.

[Hank3]

Didn't see these posted yet. Sorry if I missed them...

Rest of the pics here (http://www.motorauthority.com/spy-shots-2010-mazda3-mazdaspeed-mps-hot-hatch.html).

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_mazda_3_mps_spy_shots_oct_001-1022-950x673.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_mazda_3_mps_spy_shots_oct_006-1022-950x673.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_mazda_3_mps_spy_shots_oct_009-1022-950x673.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_mazda_3_mps_spy_shots_oct_003-1022-950x673.jpg

[DaleNixon]

Man... I want to see that with the wraps off!

[Hypnotized]

I like.

[mckraut]

Here's my initial thoughts

Likes:
Dual exhaust - pure sex
Wheels - what's not to like? they look good
Hood scoop - people will disagree with me on this, but I like it
Stance - looks more aggressive than the current MS3

Dislikes:
Front end - bastard child of an '08+ WRX & Ford Focus
Rear end - looks like a P5, no offense to anyone, just not my cup of tea

[spec2k5]

You think I could get that hood to fit???


(bolt)

(cryhard)

[stageup]

nice, 2.5l 300hp but most likely fwd still...hmm
those are some ugly ass rims tho

[DaleNixon]

What's going on with that grille under the license plate?

[AutoXRacer]

I'll be trading in my POS MS3 for this one; that for sure!!!

[stageup]

What's going on with that grille under the license plate?

the cars smiling @ you

[CBMrocket]

oh, i hope they make this AWD

[Kain]

Those appear to be '09 RX-8 wheels. They might be used just for testing purposes. If the front looks anything like the '10 sedan, I'm iffy. The rest looks great and I'm glad it doesn't deviate too far from the current look. Dual exhaust and hood scoop are nice touches.

[clos561]

so w/e happend to the whole 2 year run thing for speeds?

[stageup]

yea it looks pretty similar to our car with a diff front end, hood scoop, and rear bumper, the main thing is the motor, if it is indeed 300hp, 302tq as they're saying, i will be trading mine in, hello sti's and evo's :)

[AutoXRacer]

Hopefully it will be the 2.5L and not suffer from anemic rods...and retarded ECU tuning.

[mdavis]

where have they said 300hp and 302tq??

and I agree if so...I WANT ONE!

[SPEED3TYPE2]

suby style hood scoop

[CBMrocket]

Those appear to be '09 RX-8 wheels. They might be used just for testing purposes. If the front looks anything like the '10 sedan, I'm iffy. The rest looks great and I'm glad it doesn't deviate too far from the current look. Dual exhaust and hood scoop are nice touches.

Aren't the new RX-8 rims 19"? I wonder if the new SPEED3 rims will be the same or if they will be 18" again.

[Hank3]

where have they said 300hp and 302tq??

and I agree if so...I WANT ONE!

Don't know about the TQ ratings, but in the article they mention this:

While actual specs for the car are hard to come by, there are also rumors that the engine in the Mazdaspeed version could be based on the 300hp (224kW) turbocharged 2.5L Duratec unit destined for the upcoming Ford Focus RS (http://www.motorauthority.com/ford-releases-official-details-for-upcoming-focus-rs.html). There’s also the chance that Ford’s new RevoKnuckle FWD suspension system could be used in the Mazda to help get all that power to the ground as an AWD set-up is unlikely to be adopted.

[stageup]

where have they said 300hp and 302tq??

and I agree if so...I WANT ONE!

i'm trying to find the article again, right when i saw this thread i googled 2010 mazdaspeed 3 ? and one of the articles, said it would be the 2.5L motor rated @300hp 302tq

[C.A.T.A.P]

I heard that they are planning on makin it a rear wheel drive

[wisniaPl]

why they didnt do that before i bought mine??

[stageup]

yea it was the focus article, where it talks about the motor

As expected the latest RS model will feature a new kinetic-designed front end with an aggressively styled bumper, a pair of bonnet vents and a confirmed 300hp (224kW) 302lb-ft (410Nm) output. With these kinds of numbers, the car should be able to accelerate from 0-100km/h in less than six seconds and reach a targeted top speed of more than 260km/h.

so either that or a reworked 2.3L disi @300 is going in, so either way we will be @ the 300 mark

[stageup]

why they didnt do that before i bought mine??

at least you got the mp3 deck and a white color option.
i waited until 2008's came out to buy mine since i figured it would be a 2yr run like always. when white wasn't offered, i finally went to the dealer and got my car, then 1 mos later, they announced the 08.5 models with white and metro grey + mp3 deck + alcantera :o

[zoomzone]

Aren't the new RX-8 rims 19"? I wonder if the new SPEED3 rims will be the same or if they will be 18" again.

RX-8 rims are 18", just the special edition RS has 19" rims.

[CBMrocket]

why they didnt do that before i bought mine??

that's the same thing i said to myself when they added white to the color line-up only a few months after i bought mine. don't get me wrong, the blue has grown on me, but have been tempted to trade it on a white one. Now I'll be tempted to buy these ones lol.

[clos561]

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1566349


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[VermZ06]

Good stuff. Mazda finally found a winner to keep the mazdaspeed badge on for years to come. I'm really hoping it will be awd this time, but then again i've heard incredible things about the Focus RS with a similar FWD package. 300hp is great an all, but with the current model that is really easy to obtain with CAI/exhaust. I think an AWD MS3 would really blow the competition out of the water with this power setup. AWD please mazda!

And Mazda please do away with the power limited first few gears. If I'm buying a car with all that power I at least want to be able to use all of it in every gear.

[LazerBlueP5]

Thumbs down on: wheels, and "smiley" girl. Thumbs up on: just about everything else! WOW

Is it me or does it look like they've added STi'esc fender flairs. Also it looks like the 3 inherited the new Mazda 6 headlights.

[intak3_bLkMs3]

glad ill be makin more money then. ill be tradin my ms3 in for dat sxc beast

[wisniaPl]

at least you got the mp3 deck and a white color option.
i waited until 2008's came out to buy mine since i figured it would be a 2yr run like always. when white wasn't offered, i finally went to the dealer and got my car, then 1 mos later, they announced the 08.5 models with white and metro grey + mp3 deck + alcantera :o

i have 08 so no mp3 and other shit.....i should of buy rx8 when i had chance than put turbo or sc and have fun on twists....or track
however if they do it awd I will shot my self

[clos561]

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1566349


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READ THIS

[Rotary_Powered]

so w/e happend to the whole 2 year run thing for speeds?
They started making money(rlaugh)

[evilmonkeyMSP]

300 hp on FWD is going to = fail

[mckraut]

300 hp on FWD is going to = fail

Quite a few modded MS3s are pushing well over that currently.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

lol I know...its just seems silly to me to have that much hp in a FWD car...I know it can be done but for a typical street car its just going to be annoying (hence the cut boost in 1st and 2nd gear in the current MS3)Quite a few modded MS3s are pushing well over that currently.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

lol I know...its just seems silly to me to have that much hp in a FWD car...I know it can be done but for a typical street car its just going to be annoying (hence the cut boost in 1st and 2nd gear in the current MS3)

C'mon Evil lol lol lol,,,,You keep pointing out FWD with 300 HP or more is a problem is the streets, i don't see or hear any Honda Owners making twice that amount of power complaining.. this traction problem can easily be solve with some good traction bars. I keep seeing more FWD cars whooping AWD and RWD cars in races.. I guess they are not that bad don't you think ?

We all know AWD is better than FWD, but FWD Ain't all that bad man...

[copperkid]

I would be very interested if it's AWD.

[jaydubz]

I am liking where this is going!

I really wish people would stop bashing FWD! As we have seen in numerous examples AWD is not necessarily the answer! For example look at the shoot out with the Speed3 and the R32 from VW, very marginal difference and once again on the 2008 WRX, which was crap before Subaru did some real modifications to it.

A properly set up FWD car is just as capable on the street as is a AWD vehicle.

Hopefully Mazda will borrow the Revo knuckle technology that ford has adopted for the Focus RS

[spdjnke]

EVERYONE should just trade their current MS3's in when the new one comes out, that way the market will suffer and they will have to DISCOUNT the new one!!

[ThreeEdgedSword]

What's going on with that grille under the license plate?

I'm guessing (and hoping) it's just part of the camo/wrapping they do to keep the actual styling a secret.

[happy and angry]

lol I know...its just seems silly to me to have that much hp in a FWD car...I know it can be done but for a typical street car its just going to be annoying (hence the cut boost in 1st and 2nd gear in the current MS3)If they are using Ford's new REVO-knuckle front suspension, it might not be as big an issue as you think.

http://forums.focaljet.com/suspension/585922-future-fwd-performance-revo-knuckle.html

http://www.not2fast.com/chassis/revoKnuckle.pdf

If they use the drivetrain from the Focus RS, I see no reason for them to avoid using the front suspension.

[clos561]

so then the mazda3 = focus

[eg6motion]

so then the mazda3 = focus

more or less...drivetrain and suspension on the mps is supposed to be the same. But the new focus rs/st is also no slouch...or american-derived focus.

[happy and angry]

Well the Mazda3 was built on the chasis originally designed for the European Focus, and most of the parts have FoMoCo. stamped on em, and the 2.0L and 2.3L are derived from Ford's Duratec engines (specifically the 2.0L and 2.3L that the U.S. Focus used), so it's not that far off as far as comparisons go.

[clos561]

i can tell from those spy pictures that the new 3 is going to look like a fucked up version of the new mazda6 (headlights and grill) and cx-7 (the fender on the front wheels seem to stick out alot like the cx7 sort of does)

[Olestra]

so then the mazda3 = focus

I would drive that 300hp focus RS in look at me green all day.

This looks promising! I hope they don't jack the price up. =)

[AWDthis]

Make it RWD or AWD with 300hp and under $30k and People will sleep outside the dealer like if it was an iPhone.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

that price will take it out of its intended market.

[madvillian]

dude i'm not so sure about this thing, they are kind of getting rid of the "sleeperness" of it, which is what i like the best about my car. and those wheels are god awful! and im even more pissed that they're still making these, i wanted them to follow the 2 year run!

it is pretty sick though..

[paylew]

I like it, and it puts that much power down I would love to have it!

[jaydubz]

that price will take it out of its intended market.

+1, I tend to think we are going to be looking at a FWD car again, AWD vehicles greatly increase cost. ie Subaru.

However I think we can expect this new speed3 to address alot of the problems that we had with the current model, something tells me we can still expect a front diff. as well as some variation of the Ford Revo Knuckle to prevent torque steer.

I have full confidence in Mazda and Mazdaspeed, what we keep forgetting is they keep delivering cars that are proven performers.

[AutoXRacer]

I would drive that 300hp focus RS in look at me green all day.

This look promising! I hope they don't jack the price up. =)

Price will probably...definitely go up... :(

[Newf]

I am liking where this is going!

I really wish people would stop bashing FWD! As we have seen in numerous examples AWD is not necessarily the answer! For example look at the shoot out with the Speed3 and the R32 from VW, very marginal difference and once again on the 2008 WRX, which was crap before Subaru did some real modifications to it.

A properly set up FWD car is just as capable on the street as is a AWD vehicle.

Hopefully Mazda will borrow the Revo knuckle technology that ford has adopted for the Focus RS


They might be capable on a summer street or straight lines, but coming from a long list of high powered FWD Honda's before I got my Mazda's.... I don't ever want to entertain that kind of power for a car I drove in rain/snow as well as hot summer days ever again.

As for the redesign... a hood scoop???!?!?!?!? TMIC maybe? no way? I've been away too long, never heard of this redesign much. I don't think you should think much of the wheels, most prototypes are driving around on wheels that aren't the final ones.

[Newf]

i can tell from those spy pictures that the new 3 is going to look like a fucked up version of the new mazda6 (headlights and grill) and cx-7 (the fender on the front wheels seem to stick out alot like the cx7 sort of does)

agreed. you can see the outline of the headlights and they are indeed shaped like the new 6, and the hood even seems to be humped up like the 6's.

and if you look at the new upcoming 3, you'll get an idea
http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_mazda3_001-1008-950x673.jpg



Not sure if I'm digging that yet.

[BluMicaR]

I don't think I like much about it, but I wish I had those side mirrors, they are bad as hell!!

[User Name]

Some things I like about it, and some things I don't. But if it is indeed a 2.5L with 300hp/tq I have two words for the new MS3, engine swap! Instead of busting the current 2.3L & turbo in my car with bolt-ons and not really proven tuning solutions.

[wisniaPl]

Some things I like about it, and some things I don't. But if it is indeed a 2.5L with 300hp/tq I have two words for the new MS3, engine swap! Instead of busting the current 2.3L & turbo in my car with bolt-ons and not really proven tuning solutions.

why to swap ??get a stroker kit

[mazdaspeedster3]

AWD is expensive. If you want to spend 26k on one to start get a WRX. I liked only spending 22500. FWD FTW

[AAMguy]

fwd is def. not ftw.

[redspeed]

Well the Mazda3 was built on the chasis originally designed for the European Focus, and most of the parts have FoMoCo. stamped on em, and the 2.0L and 2.3L are derived from Ford's Duratec engines (specifically the 2.0L and 2.3L that the U.S. Focus used), so it's not that far off as far as comparisons go.

Mz3 & ms3 uses the C1 platform, like the euro focus and volvo s40/v50 among other cars. The north A. focus uses the older C170 platform.

And the ford duratec is derived from the mazda mzr, not the other way around. Ford dumped their zetec engine and started using the mazda design.

[jaydubz]

AWD is expensive. If you want to spend 26k on one to start get a WRX. I liked only spending 22500. FWD FTW

+1, I am loving the Gospel you speak! There is nothing wrong with a properly setup FWD, it has been proven time and time again.

[VermZ06]

I suppose the cobalt SS Turbo has proven everyone wrong about FWD. Didn't that car lap the track faster than the new evo? Technology, power, and low cost are finally starting to come together in a rather wonderful package.

[Rotary_Powered]

I suppose the cobalt SS Turbo has proven everyone wrong about FWD. Didn't that car lap the track faster than the new evo? Technology, power, and low cost are finally starting to come together in a rather wonderful package.
QFT. Like I said before hats off to chevy for upping the bar, now everyone else will have to follow suit. Dodge raised the bar back with the Neon SRT-4, then Mazda had a go with the MS3, now Chevy did the same with the SS Turbo...Who'll be next? And these three have been FWD monsters.

[clos561]

I suppose the cobalt SS Turbo has proven everyone wrong about FWD. Didn't that car lap the track faster than the new evo? Technology, power, and low cost are finally starting to come together in a rather wonderful package.

yea it did, but the suspension and shit like that is really good, 2 door car, lighter, and i guess the interior is where they make up costs of upgrading the suspension etc to get good times.

[Super Unique]

EVERYONE should just trade their current MS3's in when the new one comes out, that way the market will suffer and they will have to DISCOUNT the new one!! (freak)

You do realize the error in this thought right?

Please don't make me explain it......

[AtenzaNY62]

lolllllllllllllllll a hood scoop? well at least it doesnt look as hideous as the new subies scoops

[15min5k]

Dual exhaust would've been cool.

[Super Unique]

dual exhaust on a 4 cylinder gives zero performance benefit, in fact a true dual exhaust would hurt performance. You need proper flow, each pulse helps to move along the next....

[VermZ06]

dual exhaust on a 4 cylinder gives zero performance benefit, in fact a true dual exhaust would hurt performance. You need proper flow, each pulse helps to move along the next....

i'm sure it's not a 'true' dual exhaust. Probably a Y pipe or something similar to the MS6 exhaust. but you're right no need for a dual exhaust with 4 cylinder, just one fat 3" exhaust all the way back please!

[15min5k]

I'm just saying a dual exhaust would've looked cool.

[Super Unique]

dual would be poser.

[714ms3]

I like how so many people on the forum were claiming that there was not going to be any more speed3s after 2009 with such certainty.
I guess this will shut them up.

[AAMguy]

(freak)

You do realize the error in this thought right?

Please don't make me explain it......

i literally had a reply completely typed up to his comment and well obviously i didnt post it because I just could not believe the stupidity involved when he was typing that...lol

im glad someone else catched that haha

[SwampAss]

it doesn't look that much different from the current model.

[H3br3w_Ham3r]

dual exhaust on a 4 cylinder gives zero performance benefit, in fact a true dual exhaust would hurt performance. You need proper flow, each pulse helps to move along the next....
Think about it.... we could be seeing a V-6

[MM BOOST]

i love the hood scoop. You know with this coming out, one of these aftermarket companies will be coming out with a copy of that hood for the 07-09's for us! I'd love that. So far it looks pretty good. Don't think i'll get rid of mine for it though.

[fuentini]

I like where this design is going, but for some reason the current one looks more agressive yet not overly done like the evos' and stis'. I cant wait to see the final version, then i can make up my mind to trade.

[MP3Performance]

I would bet it is going to be AWD more then likely. If you look at the rear wheels they have a kind of red plate right around the center. It seems as though they would put that plate in order to cover any potential spy shots of a axle/axle nut back there seeing as though there are no center caps on the wheels. (dunno)

[dkswim]

from what you can see it looks sweet will have to wait on the front of it but the rest looks sweet

[wanna3]

*sigh* ok the good um well they got rid of the funny antenna that slaps the back windshield and w/o the door guards it does look kinda sleek but so did the previous models when they were removed, lastly the front end is kinda neat lookin, sadly thats the only good things i can think of as far as outside goes, now the bad. Def looks like a smaller version of the 6 which IS a bad thing not because the 6 looks bad but the 6 supposed to be long sharp but bulky car...it doesnt work for the 3, although the front end resembles the rx-8 (as all new Mazdas apparently do) it works kinda nice but the openings for the fog lights are just outright ridiculous, stock rims are a knock-off snowflake which is good cuz they will make awesome winter rims because who cares about winter rims let them get f**ked up by road salt, now hears the part where Mazda really fell on there faces the rear end yes the whole rear, the bumper is modeled after a park bench and the taillights were stolen offa Lancer, o yea who ever thought DUAL exhaust on a N/A 4cyl from FACTORY would look/sound good....NOBODY. Finally i was going to say one good thing from the facts i know about the new 3 which was i though that it was gonna come with a 2.5l, now that i found out that its not....utter disappointment of the HIGHEST degree. So in other words get a 6 its much better and i have a 3 just to let you know.

To Mazda: *Ahem* just because Ford owns you partly dosent mean you have to listen to them i mean its obvious that only Ford that gave there platform for you guys to say "Boy Ford cant make 4cyls to save there life (referring to focus) so lets take as little as possible from this platform and make the 3 04-09" my guess is Ford saw what you guys did there platform and thought that they could take it another step forward which as seen above they completely failed im so sry for your loss Mazda it was a great car when u guys led the design R.I.P Mazda 3 04-09.

Rant over

[Climbingace]

thought every1 would wanna check it out. found it on another forum.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/22/spy-shots-mazdaspeed-3-spotted-at-the-ring/

[JDM-P5]

blocked at work...
I HAVE STARTED SAVING MY $$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nextautos.com/spy-shot-2010-mazdaspeed3-scooped-n%C3%BCrburgring
http://www.nextautos.com/files/images/phpTAVfLF.preview.jpg
http://www.nextautos.com/files/images/phpbsS30t.preview.jpg
Now that the new Mazda3 has been shown to off to the public, it seems that engineers at Mazda are plowing ahead with another new version of the car, the fire-breathing 2010 Mazdaspeed3.
The first super noticeable feature on the upcoming white hot hatch is the massive scoop that graces the front hood, surely an add worthy of a second glance from even the most died-the-wool Subaru junkie. That intake is likely there to feed a turbocharged 2.5-liter four, with Mazda said to increasing displacement just a bit for this generation of Speed3. The resultant powerplant should be good for at least 300 horsepower, and may even signal a shift to an all-wheel-drive vehicle—though a front driver is still the most likely configuration.
An impressive set of front and rear spoilers, as well as two hefty exhaust pipes help to complete the look of the ultra aggressive Mazda; making our hearts beat a little faster at the prospect of our first drive in the process. Read the photographer’s own notes below.
Will Mazda try to give Subaru and Mitsubishi a hard life when talking about wannabe rally cars? Well, it sure looks that way when we see this new Mazda 3 in a hi-performance version.
Look at that big air intake on the engine hood…wow. And we guess that the cammo also hides some big holes in the front bumper as well. At the rear of this Mazda 3 we can also find a gigantic rear spoiler and two fat exhaust pipes.
The question is if they give this Mazda 3 MPS four wheel drive this time, or keep it a front wheel drive like the last one. We heard some rumors that the 3 MPS will get the same engine and drivetrain like the upcoming Ford Focus RS, meaning 300 horsepower on the front wheels.
I guess sooner or later we will find out, until then, just enjoy the photos while the prototype takes some quick laps around the Nürburgring.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

blocked at work...
I HAVE STARTED SAVING MY $$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nextautos.com/spy-shot-2010-mazdaspeed3-scooped-n%C3%BCrburgring
http://www.nextautos.com/files/images/phpTAVfLF.preview.jpg
http://www.nextautos.com/files/images/phpbsS30t.preview.jpg
Now that the new Mazda3 has been shown to off to the public, it seems that engineers at Mazda are plowing ahead with another new version of the car, the fire-breathing 2010 Mazdaspeed3.
The first super noticeable feature on the upcoming white hot hatch is the massive scoop that graces the front hood, surely an add worthy of a second glance from even the most died-the-wool Subaru junkie. That intake is likely there to feed a turbocharged 2.5-liter four, with Mazda said to increasing displacement just a bit for this generation of Speed3. The resultant powerplant should be good for at least 300 horsepower, and may even signal a shift to an all-wheel-drive vehicle—though a front driver is still the most likely configuration.
An impressive set of front and rear spoilers, as well as two hefty exhaust pipes help to complete the look of the ultra aggressive Mazda; making our hearts beat a little faster at the prospect of our first drive in the process. Read the photographer’s own notes below.
Will Mazda try to give Subaru and Mitsubishi a hard life when talking about wannabe rally cars? Well, it sure looks that way when we see this new Mazda 3 in a hi-performance version.
Look at that big air intake on the engine hood…wow. And we guess that the cammo also hides some big holes in the front bumper as well. At the rear of this Mazda 3 we can also find a gigantic rear spoiler and two fat exhaust pipes.
The question is if they give this Mazda 3 MPS four wheel drive this time, or keep it a front wheel drive like the last one. We heard some rumors that the 3 MPS will get the same engine and drivetrain like the upcoming Ford Focus RS, meaning 300 horsepower on the front wheels.
I guess sooner or later we will find out, until then, just enjoy the photos while the prototype takes some quick laps around the Nürburgring.


Something really tells me the rear tail lights and front head lights are going to look like a complete ass....

[JDM-P5]

Well....you know we'll probably swap them out for something aftermarket either way lol.
Pero,
I think they are on to something with that induction scoop...we'll see.

[Kain]

Funny how this morning I was thinking to myself, "we need yet another thread on the '10 MS3."

[Huligan]

nvm... thought it was the ms3 2010 thread lulz!

[jaydubz]

Think about it.... we could be seeing a V-6

Your kidding right? I am pretty sure we will be seeing a 2.5 with possibly a new borg warner turbo, or even some sort of turbo from Honewell considering Ford has now been working with them for the new Ecoboost system. I am also almost certain that this car will also have the "revo Knuckle" sytem in the RS focus.

I just really hope Mazda doesnt cheap out like Dodge did with the Caliber and use braking in place of a traditional LSD to help cut cost.

[Huligan]

I Want One Now... its BONER TIME

[evilmonkeyMSP]

(werd) what is this? the 10th one?

Funny how this morning I was thinking to myself, "we need yet another thread on the '10 MS3."

[Alexsered]

after looking more at the pictures, and the rumors I heard, I bet that thing has the Europe spec Ford focus RS engine and tranny, that thing is AWD and 300+ hp. If so, I'm trading my mazdaspeed3 in for that one. I wish they had the euro ford focus RS here in america.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

the focus RS is FWD

[DaleNixon]

*sigh* ok the good um well they got rid of the funny antenna that slaps the back windshield and w/o the door guards it does look kinda sleek but so did the previous models when they were removed, lastly the front end is kinda neat lookin, sadly thats the only good things i can think of as far as outside goes, now the bad. Def looks like a smaller version of the 6 which IS a bad thing not because the 6 looks bad but the 6 supposed to be long sharp but bulky car...it doesnt work for the 3, although the front end resembles the rx-8 (as all new Mazdas apparently do) it works kinda nice but the openings for the fog lights are just outright ridiculous, stock rims are a knock-off snowflake which is good cuz they will make awesome winter rims because who cares about winter rims let them get f**ked up by road salt, now hears the part where Mazda really fell on there faces the rear end yes the whole rear, the bumper is modeled after a park bench and the taillights were stolen offa Lancer, o yea who ever thought DUAL exhaust on a N/A 4cyl from FACTORY would look/sound good....NOBODY. Finally i was going to say one good thing from the facts i know about the new 3 which was i though that it was gonna come with a 2.5l, now that i found out that its not....utter disappointment of the HIGHEST degree. So in other words get a 6 its much better and i have a 3 just to let you know.

To Mazda: *Ahem* just because Ford owns you partly dosent mean you have to listen to them i mean its obvious that only Ford that gave there platform for you guys to say "Boy Ford cant make 4cyls to save there life (referring to focus) so lets take as little as possible from this platform and make the 3 04-09" my guess is Ford saw what you guys did there platform and thought that they could take it another step forward which as seen above they completely failed im so sry for your loss Mazda it was a great car when u guys led the design R.I.P Mazda 3 04-09.

Rant over

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/DaleNixon/Tealdeer.gif

You should break your points up for easier readability.

Also, I doubt Ford had much to do with the design of this car as it follows the design of Mazda's newest concept cars for the most part.

[Alexsered]

the focus RS is FWD

I'm refering to the Euro focus Mark II. AWD 300 + hp

[sanblaster]

Finally i was going to say one good thing from the facts i know about the new 3 which was i though that it was gonna come with a 2.5l, now that i found out that its not....utter disappointment of the HIGHEST degree.

(uhm)

[Kain]

*sigh* ok the good um well they got rid of the funny antenna that slaps the back windshield and w/o the door guards it does look kinda sleek but so did the previous models when they were removed, lastly the front end is kinda neat lookin, sadly thats the only good things i can think of as far as outside goes, now the bad. Def looks like a smaller version of the 6 which IS a bad thing not because the 6 looks bad but the 6 supposed to be long sharp but bulky car...it doesnt work for the 3, although the front end resembles the rx-8 (as all new Mazdas apparently do) it works kinda nice but the openings for the fog lights are just outright ridiculous, stock rims are a knock-off snowflake which is good cuz they will make awesome winter rims because who cares about winter rims let them get f**ked up by road salt, now hears the part where Mazda really fell on there faces the rear end yes the whole rear, the bumper is modeled after a park bench and the taillights were stolen offa Lancer, o yea who ever thought DUAL exhaust on a N/A 4cyl from FACTORY would look/sound good....NOBODY. Finally i was going to say one good thing from the facts i know about the new 3 which was i though that it was gonna come with a 2.5l, now that i found out that its not....utter disappointment of the HIGHEST degree. So in other words get a 6 its much better and i have a 3 just to let you know.

To Mazda: *Ahem* just because Ford owns you partly dosent mean you have to listen to them i mean its obvious that only Ford that gave there platform for you guys to say "Boy Ford cant make 4cyls to save there life (referring to focus) so lets take as little as possible from this platform and make the 3 04-09" my guess is Ford saw what you guys did there platform and thought that they could take it another step forward which as seen above they completely failed im so sry for your loss Mazda it was a great car when u guys led the design R.I.P Mazda 3 04-09.

Rant over
This is a language of some sort, methinks.

[mckraut]

I like how so many people on the forum were claiming that there was not going to be any more speed3s after 2009 with such certainty.
I guess this will shut them up.

And why wouldn't we think that? All other MazdaSpeeds to my knowledge have been a limited run.

I'm halfway disappointed they're making this new one. I was completely sold on the limited run idea.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

makes my MSP even more special lolAnd why wouldn't we think that? All other MazdaSpeeds to my knowledge have been a limited run.

I'm halfway disappointed they're making this new one. I was completely sold on the limited run idea.

[Kain]

Hey mod, merge these threads already. Sheesh.

[MTuning]

another thing mazda effed up with the rarity of a mazdaspeed. honestly, this on top of other things is swaying me to decide never to buy another mazda.

[mckraut]

*sigh* ok the good um well they got rid of the funny antenna that slaps the back windshield and w/o the door guards it does look kinda sleek but so did the previous models when they were removed, lastly the front end is kinda neat lookin, sadly thats the only good things i can think of as far as outside goes, now the bad. Def looks like a smaller version of the 6 which IS a bad thing not because the 6 looks bad but the 6 supposed to be long sharp but bulky car...it doesnt work for the 3, although the front end resembles the rx-8 (as all new Mazdas apparently do) it works kinda nice but the openings for the fog lights are just outright ridiculous, stock rims are a knock-off snowflake which is good cuz they will make awesome winter rims because who cares about winter rims let them get f**ked up by road salt, now hears the part where Mazda really fell on there faces the rear end yes the whole rear, the bumper is modeled after a park bench and the taillights were stolen offa Lancer, o yea who ever thought DUAL exhaust on a N/A 4cyl from FACTORY would look/sound good....NOBODY. Finally i was going to say one good thing from the facts i know about the new 3 which was i though that it was gonna come with a 2.5l, now that i found out that its not....utter disappointment of the HIGHEST degree. So in other words get a 6 its much better and i have a 3 just to let you know.

To Mazda: *Ahem* just because Ford owns you partly dosent mean you have to listen to them i mean its obvious that only Ford that gave there platform for you guys to say "Boy Ford cant make 4cyls to save there life (referring to focus) so lets take as little as possible from this platform and make the 3 04-09" my guess is Ford saw what you guys did there platform and thought that they could take it another step forward which as seen above they completely failed im so sry for your loss Mazda it was a great car when u guys led the design R.I.P Mazda 3 04-09.

Rant over

Shit, I left my decoder ring in my other pants...

[mckraut]

makes my MSP even more special lol

Albeit just as slow. (lol2)

[evilmonkeyMSP]

I still find it more fun to drive than the MS3 (dunno)

[sanblaster]

another thing mazda effed up with the rarity of a mazdaspeed. honestly, this on top of other things is swaying me to decide never to buy another mazda.


(scratch)

I hope you are being sarcastic..

[controlo]

Funny how this morning I was thinking to myself, "we need yet another thread on the '10 MS3."

dude, that's so weird. i was think the same thing...

[turbo23]

Problems with the car.
1. A 4 cyl should never EVER have dual exhausts.
2. Why the Hood scoop WHY WHY WHY!
3. I dont see brembos, WHY do I not see brembos
Other then that its hard to get a good idea on how its going to look. I wonder will it still be fwd?

[clos561]

after looking more at the pictures, and the rumors I heard, I bet that thing has the Europe spec Ford focus RS engine and tranny, that thing is AWD and 300+ hp. If so, I'm trading my mazdaspeed3 in for that one. I wish they had the euro ford focus RS here in america.

you will get close to nothing on trade in value, this car is probably going to cost more than 25k

[clos561]

its only a y pipe coming from a single pipe, kinda stupid even for looks

[shane02pro5]

To answer #3 Yes it will be fwd and will not use an LSD but traction controlled braking which is similar technology bmw uses except in the m series vehicles.

Problems with the car.
1. A 4 cyl should never EVER have dual exhausts.
2. Why the Hood scoop WHY WHY WHY!
3. I dont see brembos, WHY do I not see brembos
Other then that its hard to get a good idea on how its going to look. I wonder will it still be fwd?

[jaydubz]

To answer #3 Yes it will be fwd and will not use an LSD but traction controlled braking which is similar technology bmw uses except in the m series vehicles.

No offense, but where did you get any of that information from. Can you support that with a link?

If that is truly the case then I truly dread it because the Caliber SRT did much the same thing by scrapping a LSD and incorporating controlled braking to control wheels spin.

[Kindred]

thought every1 that didn't see the bajillion threads created about this yesterday would wanna check it out. found it on another forum.

fixed.

[AAMguy]

Problems with the car.
1. A 4 cyl should never EVER have dual exhausts.
2. Why the Hood scoop WHY WHY WHY!
3. I dont see brembos, WHY do I not see brembos
Other then that its hard to get a good idea on how its going to look. I wonder will it still be fwd?

1.agreed.
2.disagree, please explain to me why letting more air flow into the engine is ever a bad idea..??
3.you dont see brembos because they arent there...duh

[jaydubz]

*sigh* ok the good um well they got rid of the funny antenna that slaps the back windshield and w/o the door guards it does look kinda sleek but so did the previous models when they were removed, lastly the front end is kinda neat lookin, sadly thats the only good things i can think of as far as outside goes, now the bad. Def looks like a smaller version of the 6 which IS a bad thing not because the 6 looks bad but the 6 supposed to be long sharp but bulky car...it doesnt work for the 3, although the front end resembles the rx-8 (as all new Mazdas apparently do) it works kinda nice but the openings for the fog lights are just outright ridiculous, stock rims are a knock-off snowflake which is good cuz they will make awesome winter rims because who cares about winter rims let them get f**ked up by road salt, now hears the part where Mazda really fell on there faces the rear end yes the whole rear, the bumper is modeled after a park bench and the taillights were stolen offa Lancer, o yea who ever thought DUAL exhaust on a N/A 4cyl from FACTORY would look/sound good....NOBODY. Finally i was going to say one good thing from the facts i know about the new 3 which was i though that it was gonna come with a 2.5l, now that i found out that its not....utter disappointment of the HIGHEST degree. So in other words get a 6 its much better and i have a 3 just to let you know.

To Mazda: *Ahem* just because Ford owns you partly dosent mean you have to listen to them i mean its obvious that only Ford that gave there platform for you guys to say "Boy Ford cant make 4cyls to save there life (referring to focus) so lets take as little as possible from this platform and make the 3 04-09" my guess is Ford saw what you guys did there platform and thought that they could take it another step forward which as seen above they completely failed im so sry for your loss Mazda it was a great car when u guys led the design R.I.P Mazda 3 04-09.

Rant over


Seriously! (wedge)

[shane02pro5]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123723440&highlight=2010+mazda+lsd+traction+control

[Alexsered]

you will get close to nothing on trade in value, this car is probably going to cost more than 25k

good point, okay, well I'm selling my speed3 for that one than :P

[JDM-P5]

well I wasn't the thread starter!!

I couldn't see pics @ the office, so I added them in my post.
Jeez. Nice looking specimen Mazda techs!
hood scoop ftw.

[SHaW]

The head lights/tail lights remind me of the aggressive look of the new lancers/evo. Pretty sweet, I have to say.

[Babyface13]

I would only consider it if it were AWD.

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

the covered one looks alot liek this one
http://autoworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/mazda-3-2010-img_2.jpg

[VermZ06]

There's still not a whole lot of information about this thing. It may be awd or fwd no one knows yet. Although for Mazda it might make sense to offer it since none of their current US made cars have an awd option. You're stuck with either the B4000, CX's, or tribute. I've read reports that there's no plans to make the current 6 AWD either. There's a big demand for AWD cars especially up north. Even if it tacks 2K on top of their fwd msrp I think it would still be a very enticing option. I don't think i'd have any choice but to trade in my current ms3 for one. 300HPAWDTURBOMAZDASPEED3 has a nice sound to it. Absolutely Killer.

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

im dreaming of mod's for this right now

[pdqgp]

Just saw this myself after reading about the G8 being killed off......

I love the wheels. Hood scoop.....nice...but I actually think our current system is pretty effective and has a cleaner look. However, that said, in HP and looks, they did have to step up the game a bit to compete with Suby.

[Design]

There's still not a whole lot of information about this thing. It may be awd or fwd no one knows yet. Although for Mazda it might make sense to offer it since none of their current US made cars have an awd option. You're stuck with either the B4000, CX's, or tribute. I've read reports that there's no plans to make the current 6 AWD either. There's a big demand for AWD cars especially up north. Even if it tacks 2K on top of their fwd msrp I think it would still be a very enticing option. I don't think i'd have any choice but to trade in my current ms3 for one. 300HPAWDTURBOMAZDASPEED3 has a nice sound to it. Absolutely Killer.

I honestly do not see AWD for the MS3. The market is saturated with Mitsu and Subaru in that price range (25-30K). And they already tried to take on that market with the MS6.

It would make more sense to compete with the Cobalt SST and produce a semi-fuel efficient platform with decent handling. If they did AWD, they'd probably rebadge as a completely different model.

Just MHO...

[evilmonkeyMSP]

Bingo!I honestly do not see AWD for the MS3. The market is saturated with Mitsu and Subaru in that price range (25-30K). And they already tried to take on that market with the MS6.

It would make more sense to compete with the Cobalt SST and produce a semi-fuel efficient platform with decent handling. If they did AWD, they'd probably rebadge as a completely different model.

Just MHO...

[AAMguy]

or rwd ;)

ppooooolleeaaaseeee

[jaydubz]

I honestly do not see AWD for the MS3. The market is saturated with Mitsu and Subaru in that price range (25-30K). And they already tried to take on that market with the MS6.

It would make more sense to compete with the Cobalt SST and produce a semi-fuel efficient platform with decent handling. If they did AWD, they'd probably rebadge as a completely different model.

Just MHO...

I completely agree! Matter of fact Subaru and Mitsubishi have gone so far upmarket with the two latest versions of their cars that they needed to produce something in the midrange to sell more cars ie: Ralliart and 09 WRX . Mazda would be stupid to make the same mistake. I went to a Mitsubishi dealership and a Evo GSR comes in at a whopping 35K that is just outrageous. Mazda has always been known to produce excellent handling cars at a obtainiable price ie Miata. For mazda to break that formula now would be suicide!

[VermZ06]

I completely agree! Matter of fact Subaru and Mitsubishi have gone so far upmarket with the two latest versions of their cars that they needed to produce something in the midrange to sell more cars ie: Ralliart and 09 WRX . Mazda would be stupid to make the same mistake. I went to a Mitsubishi dealership and a Evo GSR comes in at a whopping 35K that is just outrageous. Mazda has always been known to produce excellent handling cars at a obtainiable price ie Miata. For mazda to break that formula now would be suicide!

Don't get me wrong they probably will stick with the FWD format especially since this car is a cousin to the Focus RS (which is a nasty car in its own right). The MS6 is AWD, but Mazda never meant for it to be in the same league as the Evo's and STI's. It was meant to be a more luxurious grand tourer like BMW 330Xi/Audi S4. If mazda could get an AWD MS3 at the same starting price point as the current WRX it would be quite a compelling price point and steal sales from both Subaru and Mitsu for having a car that will hang and maybe even whoop cars that cost 10K more. There's also so much competition in the FWD market right now. Cobalt SS, SRT-4 Caliber, Sentra SE-R, Gti, Si and so on. In this segment you'd only have two others as direct competition, the WRX and the Ralliart(Ralliart recieving pretty mediocre reviews). 300hp just sounds a little crazy with FWD even with that new Revoknuckle technology. The car in its current state can already rip the steering wheel right out of your hands.

[jaydubz]

Don't me wrong they probably will stick with the FWD format especially since this car is a cousin to the Focus RS (which is a nasty car in its own right). The MS6 is AWD, but Mazda never meant for it to be in the same league as the Evo's and STI's. It was meant to be a more luxurious grand tourer like BMW 330Xi/Audi S4. If mazda could get an AWD MS3 at the same starting price point as the current WRX it would be quite a compelling price point and steal sales from both Subaru and Mitsu for having a car that will hang and maybe even whoop cars that cost 10K more. There's also so much competition in the FWD market right now. Cobalt SS, SRT-4 Caliber, Sentra SE-R, Gti, Si and so on. In this segment you'd only have two others as direct competition, the WRX and the Ralliart(Ralliart recieving pretty mediocre reviews). 300hp just sounds a little crazy with FWD even with that new Revoknuckle technology. The car in its current state can already rip the steering wheel right out of your hands.

I agree, give the speed a little bit of an inch with a foot full of boost and you will definetley feel a tugg on the steering wheel. Now that you mention it the market is surely saturated with alot of FWD right now. It would not be far fetched to see an AWD speed3 however I am concerned about the price as well as mediocre reviews such as the ralliart and WRX.

However thinking about it Mazda does have the technology from the speed6 and it could be adapted to a shorter frame, plus mazda is not a complete stranger to AWD turbo charging IE the 323 GTX that car was an absolute hoot but its price killed it.

[User Name]

2.5L 4 cyl + 300 hp/tq + FWD + no LSD = WTF?

Obviously we'll have to wait until the final specs are released BY MAZDA to know for sure. If no LSD, I have zero problem keeping my 08 MS3.

[User Name]

mazda is not a complete stranger to AWD turbo charging IE the 323 GTX that car was an absolute hoot but its price killed it.

I was about to mention that car myself. It was a wicked car in it's day, Mazda really has the groundwork laid down to do it again with the MS3, it'd be great to see it happen but....

[PCspeed3]

Hope It Has Scissor Doors!

[john blutarski]

please make this AWD and I guarantee I'll trade mine in on one...

[jayspeed3]

IMO, Ford should just release the Focus RS to the US and stop playing with us with the MS3.

If this car is going to be awd, then Mazda will have to battle with the "Big 2" and they lost last time with the MS6. If the new MS3 is going to be awd, then I am thinking the price is going to be around $26,000 to $30,000. By the time this comes out, you could get a used EVO X or STI at that price!

Which one would you choose?

Mazda made a name for itself by making the most powerful fwd hatch in the MS3. I really do not think they will divert from this. But, if they do take the suspension from the Focus RS, then the car should handle supremely well.

[Super Unique]

it would be most cost effective for mazda to use the next gen focus platform, including most of it's suspension for their next mps/mazdaspeed 3, apply their mazda styling and accessories, features etc... and slap their own powertrain into it.

[CoolWhip]

http://www.motorauthority.com/spy-shots-2010-mazda3-mazdaspeed-mps-hot-hatch.html

Sorry if the thread was already made. I was looking at the other thread(s) but it was more about the 3 then Speed with no actual photos.

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_mazda_3_mps_spy_shots_oct_002-1022-950x673.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_mazda_3_mps_spy_shots_oct_006-1022-950x673.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_mazda_3_mps_spy_shots_oct_004-1022-950x673.jpg

[creina1221]

I love the Hood and Dual Exaust. Hope it becomes a reality

[CoolWhip]

Dual exhaust would be nice, thoughts of a 2.5 L ?

[ForceFed]

I ike the hood and the wing..a bit more aggressive look is what the first one lacked.

[Texaco]

Like the exhaust, and hope the hood is fake...gross...

Oh, and I want THEIR job!..

[Hank3]

http://www.motorauthority.com/spy-shots-2010-mazda3-mazdaspeed-mps-hot-hatch.html

Sorry if the thread was already made. I was looking at the other thread(s) but it was more about the 3 then Speed with no actual photos.

The pics were posted yesterday morning (post 52 in the thread). Moderators merged the threads together ;)

[xboxlivemonkey]

wth i posted a thread on this yesterday >_>

[iredremix]

wow that's so fucking nice. i want it NOW

[Climbingace]

I guess I'm to blame for this repeat thread.(doh)

[Kain]

wth i posted a thread on this yesterday >_>
And it was posted at least twice before yours. So ironically, I was thinking the same thing.

[Babyface13]

Why did these two threads get merged? The posts 1-51 are about the regular 3 not the MS3

[UHATEIT]

notice they added a slight curve to the side skirt to give it a more sporty look, and the dual exhaust is BADASS! I think that would look awesome with those curves in the erar bumper for both pipes.

Yucky looking part is it appears the taillights are not flush with the body like the current model but more wannabe lancer style as it looks like they stick out from the body a bit instead of being flush.

[p5sundevil]

as nice as it looks I never got dual exhaust on a 4cyl car....its kinda pointless to say the least but whatever the majority of people out there choose based on looks not functional design.

what the heck was the part of the car&driver article about a 1.6L rotary, and why would they put that into a mazda3 instead of a new rx model....sometimes I dont know where they get there information from as far as credibility.

aside from that I like the new front end, I hope how high the back end looks grows on me or looks better when we see an actual production model

[CoolWhip]

Looks to be the same engine ...

http://mazda3revolution.com/whats-hot-now/more-2010-mazdaspeed-3-spy-shots/

[Raul]

sweeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttttttttttt

[JDM-P5]

This thread gets more attention.

[Rotary_Powered]

Nice I can't wait to see next years response (From Mazda) to this years Cobalt SS (in terms of performance of course)... That thing should fly on the ring!!!

[justanothermp5]

dam a 2.5 4cyl? that shit is going to a beast

normally 2.5 is the highest displacement a 4 cylinder engine can go because the vibes are to much after that, then they go to a v6 after 2.5


so there prob goin to have some badass engine mounts lol

[UHATEIT]

looks like it has turn signals on the side mirrors, a nice addition

i like the curve they added to the side skirt to look more sporty

I hate the fact the taillights look like they stick out (resembling the newest lancer look) instead of being flush with the body panels.

i personally love the hood scoop and have always thought it should have been included on the speed3 all along.

As for the dual exhaust, its definately not needed but i think it looks great on that picture since it looks more uniform and even in the back. I have never really liked single exit for the way it looks in the back

[BSTD3]

Already dropped hints to the wifey that when this bad boy comes out, I;m getting one (dance)

[JDM-P5]

^^
Ditto.

If I deploy anytime soon...cash and a trade in. :)

[AutoEuphoria]

I like the scoop...I think the current MS3 would really benefit from that design.

[JDM-P5]

Agreed man.

It just needs little tweaks to distinguish it from the current model.

Mazda is on to a gold mine here.

[VermZ06]

Not a bad rendering. Looks pretty close to the spy shots. Bottom grille is absolutely nasty.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FiUMvNVayFc/SQOU4hwVVeI/AAAAAAAABn0/C6ETkTlbCTg/s400/RocketPunchAutoBlog-2010MAZDASPEED3-1.png

[daonly1around]

Not a bad rendering. Looks pretty close to the spy shots. Bottom grille is absolutely nasty.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FiUMvNVayFc/SQOU4hwVVeI/AAAAAAAABn0/C6ETkTlbCTg/s400/RocketPunchAutoBlog-2010MAZDASPEED3-1.png

that lookslike the grinch

[Captain GJ]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but here is a shot of the new interior for the 3. Thoughts? Personally I'm not really digging the way the new display wraps around the speedo/tach. A lot of wasted space.


http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010-mazda3-interior-spied/

[Bonafide_Spd3]

Looks good, maybe I'll trade in my 07 for the new one. I like the hood scoop and dual exhaust. Looks alot more aggressive as well

[kneedragger241]

It's smiling an happy...
I'd rather see a more menacing front end.

[Rotary_Powered]

2.5L 4 cyl + 300 hp/tq + FWD + no LSD = WTF?

Obviously we'll have to wait until the final specs are released BY MAZDA to know for sure. If no LSD, I have zero problem keeping my 08 MS3.
Sounds like the SRT4 Caliber which is either bog or boil the wheels.

[Bonafide_Spd3]

Harrisburg huh? I grew up over by williamsport pa. About an hour and a half away

[spdjnke]

My Toyota Celica wants it's HOOD back!!

[bioevolve]

My Toyota Celica wants it's HOOD back!!

LOL@U

[pdqgp]

I like it but don't....I like the current set up where there's a flat location on the dash. I use that for my 'sticky mat' that hold my cell phone/gps, etc....on this new version, the top of the dash is all curved and won't hold anything.

I like the center console, but being angled like that it reminds me of a minivan. Not sure the ergonomics of that angle are great. Would have to see it without the brushed aluminum. I like my piano black trim.

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but here is a shot of the new interior for the 3. Thoughts? Personally I'm not really digging the way the new display wraps around the speedo/tach. A lot of wasted space.


http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010-mazda3-interior-spied/

[Hank3]

Video of the '10 Speed3 is up on Edmunds (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=134786?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..2 .*).

[Hank3]

Video of the '10 Speed3 is up on Edmunds (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=134786?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..2 .*).

[AWmustang]

As it was going up that hill at ~0:35 I was excited thinking when it crested the hill we might be able to see underneath and confirm or deny power going to those rear wheels, but the stupid video cuts away just before it crests the hill. GRRRR!!!!!

[Hank3]

Lol!!!

[desperado-c]

Looks to be the same engine ...

http://mazda3revolution.com/whats-hot-now/more-2010-mazdaspeed-3-spy-shots/

Who the hell is global motor and why would they know what kind of engine is going in to a car that we may or may not see b/f 2011? I'm voting for a 2.5 liter DISI.

[parkerfe]

Looks good, maybe I'll trade in my 07 for the new one. I like the hood scoop and dual exhaust. Looks alot more aggressive as well

I had rather have a center exit pair of tailpipes...one of each side of the rear looks ridiculous in a four banger IMHO...

[parkerfe]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but here is a shot of the new interior for the 3. Thoughts? Personally I'm not really digging the way the new display wraps around the speedo/tach. A lot of wasted space.


http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010-mazda3-interior-spied/

Where will the Nav screen be located?

[daonly1around]

looks like the rear of the new hatch will not be much different looking the current, just the front end

[Alexsered]

this thing is nice, but now that it's almost 100% true that its going to be FWD, I'm not feeling it anymore. If it was AWD or RWD, I would have sold my speed3 and got it, but not FWD.

I might go test drive the new 370z :) when it comes out.

[VermZ06]

this thing is nice, but now that it's almost 100% true that its going to be FWD, I'm not feeling it anymore. If it was AWD or RWD, I would have sold my speed3 and got it, but not FWD.

I might go test drive the new 370z :) when it comes out.

Or a Genesis Coupe or new Camaro? Should be same price range. I'm also digging the new solstice coupe. I love the shape of it. Anyway I digress, back to MS3 land!

[shucky]

I like the pics of the new MS3 AWD or not. If it comes close to or at 300hp and weight stays down it will be nasty quick on the highway and post some pretty impressive trap speeds. Although I agree 100% with VermZ06, the Genesis Coupe, new Camaro, and 370Z all seem to be cars I will be looking at.

[jaydubz]

The sad part is everyone keeps waving the AWD flag, but I bet this car will give all the naysayers from AWD camp a nice slap in the face. Mazdaspeed is known for producing proven track cars who also handle amazingly as a daily driver even in FWD form.

All information seems to point to the fact that the new speed will indeed be fwd drive, but this information makes me raise an eyebrow however i dont know how Mazda will keep the price on par if this gets put in place.

http://jalopnik.com/cars/gossip/new-volvo-c30-r-on-the-way-172562.php

http://autoreview.belproject.com/item/828

So for all hoping for a AWD Speed3 this maybe the first step, if you read some of the articles the HP numbers seem pretty darn close to whats swirling around the web. Seems like ford will be pulling from its parts bin again!

http://www.4wheelsnews.com/green-light-for-the-300-hp-volvo-c30/

[desperado-c]

The sad part is everyone keeps waving the AWD flag, ....

http://jalopnik.com/cars/gossip/new-volvo-c30-r-on-the-way-172562.php

....[/url]
That's a 2006 article.

[AWmustang]

And the second one is January 2008. Not exactly breaking news.

[jaydubz]

And the second one is January 2008. Not exactly breaking news.

Wow, nothing gets past you guys huh?!? LOL. The point was not when it was posted rather what it has to do with. Let me try to explain a little differently,

Current Mazdaspeed3 cars have a similar brake set up to certain volvo sedans and also shares a chassis as well. It would not be far fetched for the next generation of the speed3 to have the features listed in those articles, matter of fact it just goes to show that the chassis and those components work well together.

[Super Unique]

everyone is an expert, but then maybe not :)

Car rumors always have been, and always will be 10% facts and 90% bullshit.

[m5rMS3]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=134786?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..2 .*


"A lack of power has never been the Mazdaspeed 3's problem, so look for most of the improvements to be geared toward improved traction. All-wheel drive has been rumored as a possible remedy, but Inside Line has learned that the car will remain front-wheel drive."

Did everyone miss that at the bottom?

[Alexsered]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=134786?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..2 .*


"A lack of power has never been the Mazdaspeed 3's problem, so look for most of the improvements to be geared toward improved traction. All-wheel drive has been rumored as a possible remedy, but Inside Line has learned that the car will remain front-wheel drive."

Did everyone miss that at the bottom?

no, I read that, you can see my previous post. but it does make me question just why?? FWD 300+ hp, I guess that is okay on the highway, but on the street, just driving around, its going to be a pain. Maybe this is mazda's way of trying to own the FWD sport segment and just crush that new cobalt. But still, why not RWD or AWD.

[AWmustang]

Wow, nothing gets past you guys huh?!? LOL. The point was not when it was posted rather what it has to do with. Let me try to explain a little differently,

Current Mazdaspeed3 cars have a similar brake set up to certain volvo sedans and also shares a chassis as well. It would not be far fetched for the next generation of the speed3 to have the features listed in those articles, matter of fact it just goes to show that the chassis and those components work well together.

My point was, if there is nothing more recent than that on the Volvo, it's probably not going to actually happen. With cars like this they need to keep people interested with a steady flow of spyshots and rumors.

[Alexsered]

My point was, if there is nothing more recent than that on the Volvo, it's probably not going to actually happen. With cars like this they need to keep people interested with a steady flow of spyshots and rumors.

it's all a mind game :-P

[jaydubz]

My point was, if there is nothing more recent than that on the Volvo, it's probably not going to actually happen. With cars like this they need to keep people interested with a steady flow of spyshots and rumors.

well I think it is double edged sword. The C30 was in essence a failure for Volvo in the states as it was supposed to offer a more entry level upscale approach. I feel that they wanted to inject some more performance into the car, but that would be far too risky on a platform not proven in sales.

It would be more feasible for Ford/Mazda to use that technology on the Speed3 as it will work with that chassis and it has proven itself in sales time and time again. The next problem is how will it affect the price of the new speed3 if that was implemented? If that was the case we could then expect a sub 26 or 27k car. Of course this is all food for thought.

[ElSpeedDiablo]

Oh god more debt...haha...I want one!!!!

[jaydubz]

Oh god more debt...haha...I want one!!!!

LOL, I agree! The Insurance on the speed3 already is a bit much to bite on.

[ElSpeedDiablo]

LOL, I agree! The Insurance on the speed3 already is a bit much to bite on.

Yeah specialy if your younger, my insurance is not that crazy though, clean driving record does that to you.

[oaklandopen]

found an article saying that the 2010 mazda3 coupe will be unveiled at an LA show nov 17th, but the hatch will be at a later date. and don't know if there will be a speed unveiling

anyone have anymore info? i usually go to the philadelphia auto show that happens i think in january, would love to see the new mazda3

[gregstinson]

As far as insurance goes...

I have my MS3 w/ Progressive and it is about $115/month for full-coverage. That's pretty cheap to me.

[15min5k]

As far as insurance goes...

I have my MS3 w/ Progressive and it is about $115/month for full-coverage. That's pretty cheap to me.

Mines $168/ month with Progressive full-coverage.

[jaydubz]

found an article saying that the 2010 mazda3 coupe will be unveiled at an LA show nov 17th, but the hatch will be at a later date. and don't know if there will be a speed unveiling

anyone have anymore info? i usually go to the philadelphia auto show that happens i think in january, would love to see the new mazda3

Really a coupe? What is Mazda thinking? What a waste of sheet metal if they do that!

[AutoXRacer]

Really a coupe? What is Mazda thinking? What a waste of sheet metal if they do that!

He might have meant the sedan.

[jaydubz]

He might have meant the sedan.

Oh ok

[VermZ06]

Sorry to get on the AWD kick again, but if most of these reports state that the new MS3 won't have a limited slip (which the Focus RS already employs) won't that give a leg up for MS3 to use AWD? As far as I know the RS with the RevoKnuckle is only useful in conjunction with a limited slip dif. So I'm betting until we get word that the MS3 is actually getting the RevoKnuckle Tech I'm ruling in AWD for this car.

[Renzokuken]

No LSD FTL. Mazda never fails to dissapoint.

[AutoXRacer]

How do you know? Are you sure? Why would Mazda include on in the 2007-2009 model and not the 2010...?

Unless they are using Dodge's excellent technology of brake assist type of LSD... FTL!!!