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[15min5k]

^ I def perfer the current ones interior for sure! The new one looks cheaper as someone already mentioned.

[Circle9]

Well, to think about it, they really shouldn't be cramming any more power to the wheels unless they at least made it RWD.

[eg6motion]

its a toyota matrix with a hood scoop....

[Circle9]

Is it possible that the hood scoop is functional?

[GoFast]

IMO any more power wouldn't necessarily make it more fun to drive every day. Not unless they work on the delivery to the pavement.

IMO, the interior is an improvement and an nice update. I like my current car, but the inside of the new one definitely makes it look updated.

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2009_geneva_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2010_mazdaspeed_3_auto_shows/2010_mazdaspeed_3/maz3_10_28/1964702-1-eng-US/maz3_10_28_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2009_geneva_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2010_mazdaspeed_3_auto_shows/2010_mazdaspeed_3/mazspe3_09_11/1964534-1-eng-US/mazspe3_09_11_gallery_image_large.jpg

I also don't mind the look of the new stock Speed wheels. If they are lower in lbs, I might just keep my eyes out for a set :)

I am with you on this one!! I really like the new interior!! The only thing i dont like is that goofy looking stereo arrangement. I never liked it in the rx-8, the mx-5 and now this.

[15min5k]

Well, to think about it, they really shouldn't be cramming any more power to the wheels unless they at least made it RWD.

Yes and it would be a hell of a lot more money. And I'll still probably get an EVO X over it as Mazda isn't too experienced with AWD. Being FWD 263hp/280ft/tq is almost too much to begin with. If you need more power just bolt on a few aftermarket pieces. IMO the more power you add to this thing the less balance it maintains along with spinning out too much and compromising reliability. Some ppl will never be satisfied. You got to think about what you're getting for about 24k

[Hank3]

I think the current interior is better than most cars in this segment with it's classy/updated looks. And the different textures mixed in is certainly a plus. The interior isn't leaps and bounds better, IMO. Some things look nice, but I wouldn't trade mine in just for it. Now my mind might change when the 2010 Speed3's interior is shown...although I don't expect it to be waaaay different. Probably tweaks and minors changes here and there to make it look sportier.

[boosted1]

Is it possible that the hood scoop is functional?The hood scoop is for the TMIC, so it is fully functional.

[240ka]

Im hoping what happened with the new WRX and STI will happen with this car for me! At first I thought the WRX was the most hideous thing ever and now I kinda actually want one. So who knows. Im sure there will be a crap load of aftermarket options for the grille or bumper since everyone seems to hate it. The interior looks extremely cheap to me! Like it came out of a honda civic almost.

the new rex looks goodwith the right wheels,a dropand looks alot better in motion than it does when stationary.

new wrx is an ugly car no question but changes persona when on a track with dope rims

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2018/2398081104_492fb71986.jpg
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[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Jesus Christ, that thing looks like a Puke, nasty if you ask me all around and inside. what a shame Mazda have killed another nice looking car.... Probably i'll get bash and kill by saying this but oh well is just my Opinion anyways The Mazdaspeed Protege looks millions of time better, with some descent amount of money on it the MSP have no competitor and that includes the MS3..

[Silver Ecstasy]

I can see why they are making the new speed 3 front end to look like that. Comes with the current trand and change in auto styling, tho it looks like shit anyways.

We should all be happy the new one looks ugly as hell, It will help us want to keep our current car and not trade it in to get even further into debt. It's good justification to stay with the car we already have.

And, let's hope the same thing happens with our cars as it did with the STI. Demand sky-rocketed for the 05-07 sedan body style and resale value was amazing! I couldn't even find a used 07 STI for less than $26k! And that was with 40,000 miles!

[clos561]

that would be fuckin sweet...and very possible

[TRDMS3]

Jesus Christ, that thing looks like a Puke, nasty if you ask me all around and inside. what a shame Mazda have killed another nice looking car.... Probably i'll get bash and kill by saying this but oh well is just my Opinion anyways The Mazdaspeed Protege looks millions of time better, with some descent amount of money on it the MSP have no competitor and that includes the MS3..

couldnt agree more, shameful design the new msp adopted.


Im hoping what happened with the new WRX and STI will happen with this car for me! At first I thought the WRX was the most hideous thing ever and now I kinda actually want one. So who knows. Im sure there will be a crap load of aftermarket options for the grille or bumper since everyone seems to hate it. The interior looks extremely cheap to me! Like it came out of a honda civic almost.

you know what, that's what I was thinking I even posted a pic of civic's interior, it looks exactly like it. 09 rex never appealed to me until now I prefer it more over the new msp. Who knows I might actually end up gettin one down the road. It sure is lookin better in my eyes more and more now...

Car&Driver:

Speed 3, Mazda has made the smile standard equipment, plastering it across the car’s front end. We’ll just have to learn to love it.

I know I wont...

[TRDMS3]

And, let's hope the same thing happens with our cars as it did with the STI. Demand sky-rocketed for the 05-07 sedan body style and resale value was amazing! I couldn't even find a used 07 STI for less than $26k! And that was with 40,000 miles!

guess mazda is also gonna learn (bowdown)


I can see why they are making the new speed 3 front end to look like that. Comes with the current trand and change in auto styling, tho it looks like shit anyways.

We should all be happy the new one looks ugly as hell, It will help us want to keep our current car and not trade it in to get even further into debt. It's good justification to stay with the car we already have.

I even drove mine today feelin a tad more glad knowing the new model is nasty, my coworker even admitted you can be happy with ur for a few years now :)

[TheRealDefman]

Video of the new MSP

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/04/video-first-footage-of-2010-mazda3-mps/

[NCZ13]

Note: the MSP is not a MS3. Hes referring to the mazdaspeed protege.

when it comes down to it, cars cant keep the same designs even though they might look good. They have to evolve and flow with the rest of the lineup.

[clos561]

looks liek its gong to be tough to run a fmic on that car, bumper looks blocked off. That video sucks btw, i wanna see the interior of that car

[happy and angry]

^ I def perfer the current ones interior for sure! The new one looks cheaper as someone already mentioned.I usually judge the quality of a car interior, which is an entirely tactile environment, based on a flat 2D image. Things like ergonomics and quality of materials are meaningless to me, because I think it looks cheap.

[p5sundevil]

the article states that the car wil have the same 2.3 liter engine, stats will be the same the car is just geting a make over, along with i-stop technology which is supposed to increase fuel economy

The article talks about the standard 3i getting the start/stop technology not the speed3.

As with a few others here I like the new front end, I think it will grow on me even more when we actually see the car in person(as photos like this can be very different from how it looks in person)

[15min5k]

I usually judge the quality of a car interior, which is an entirely tactile environment, based on a flat 2D image. Things like ergonomics and quality of materials are meaningless to me, because I think it looks cheap.

I find the ergonomics and quality of materials to be just fine in my 08 and don't require any better in that regard. And yeah based on all the photos I've seen thus far of the 10' I prefer my 08'. I'll check one out once they hit the dealership to see if my opinion changes. However, even if it did I'm not buying another MS3, not because I don't like them but because I'm going for an upgrade next time I purchase a car. I wouldn't exactly consider a 2010 MS3 much of an upgrade if any compared to the one I'm already driving.

P.S. Photo's of the (07-09) MS3 depicted a pretty accurate portrayal of what it actually looks like in person.

[Sport6]

the article states that the car wil have the same 2.3 liter engine, stats will be the same the car is just geting a make over, along with i-stop technology which is supposed to increase fuel economy

The i-stop technology is not for the Speed its for the regular 3s with the automatic transmission. It shuts the engine off when you are fully stopped.

[Design]

I actually like the new styling. The new MS3 will definitely get recognized a lot more on the road.

It makes me glad I got the current gen MS3. Not only do we keep a great sleeper look, but rumor has it that peak power will be about the same in the 2010 model. However, the power curve is rumored to have flattened out for better high end gains.

[daonly1around]

i like the new STI, and i LOVE the new MS3...

waiting for color lineup... wait, i'm not trading mine in atleast for another two or three years

[ragindark]

The best thing about the new 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 is that it will definitely attract more attention from the cops as I drive past them looking stealthy in my 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 while they are getting pulled over.

[leadf00t]

The best thing about the new 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 is that it will definitely attract more attention from the cops as I drive past them looking stealthy in my 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 while they are getting pulled over.

Kind of hard to hide it with that hood scoop, and the dual exhaust isnt going to help much either.

[skylar2ups]

If you're speeding your going to get pulled over it doesn't matter what the car looks like.

Please read this...

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123731956

[15min5k]

If you're speeding your going to get pulled over it doesn't matter what the car looks like.

Please read this...

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123731956

I'd take that study with a gain of salt. I think a vehicles appearance has plenty to do with being spotted and pulled over vice one that sort of blends in more with other cars. common sense IMO. I also agree with this view:


In all honesty, this is pretty skewed. While there may be some correlation between the type of car driven, there are much larger correlatioins between the type of person driving the car and the number of a particular car on the road. I'm willing to bet the tC and the Camry are up there simply because there are so many on the road. If 75% of the cars that drive by a cop or Camry's, tC's, etc. then most certainly they are more likely to get ticketed.

[Olestra]

nah, it was simply stated that the look of front end is due to functionality. which i dont believe one bit. the damn hood has a hood scoop(intercooler getting cooled pretty well)

and that front end doesnt look like its creating anytype of down force or anything.

but he was trying to say, changing the front to something better looking is a "rice" move which i disagree with totally

It's not about cooling, it's about aerodynamics:

"Special attention has been paid to develop the Mazda 3's prominent new beak, and it's functional. The design actually limits airflow to the engine compartment to only what's truly necessary for cooling and combustion, and the result is a lower coefficient of aerodynamic drag. A guide incorporated into the front bumper directs air into the radiator. Meanwhile, a bypass flap opens at high speed to minimize the drag of the cooling fan behind the radiator, while subtle deflectors in the fenders improve airflow around the tires. So for all the visual challenges of the Mazda 3's new grille, the end result is a 0.29 Cd, one of the lowest drag coefficients in the compact class."

Taken from:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=138526

The hoodscoop will provide the cooling as you say and may lower the Cd.

[TRDMS3]

this drag improvement is ridiculous and useless, you have to be doing insane speeds to feel any difference if the drag is indeed the lowest lol. I just dont get it why put the overall design at so much risk that ends up turning/pissin a lot of folks/potential buyers off???

Ok so the god horrible smiling mouth front fasia is still not yet justified...

[GoFast]

this drag improvement is ridiculous and useless, you have to be doing insane speeds to feel any difference if the drag is indeed the lowest lol. I just dont get it why put the overall design at so much risk that ends up turning/pissin a lot of folks/potential buyers off???

Ok so the god horrible smiling mouth front fasia is still not yet justified...

i think its too early to say that it is going to turn alot of people away. i think that it will actually attract a whole new breed of ms3 owners. just because some of us current style ms3 owners dont like doesnt mean the next guy doesnt. different strokes for different folks

[Olestra]

this drag improvement is ridiculous and useless, you have to be doing insane speeds to feel any difference if the drag is indeed the lowest lol. I just dont get it why put the overall design at so much risk that ends up turning/pissin a lot of folks/potential buyers off???

Ok so the god horrible smiling mouth front fasia is still not yet justified...

The numbers don't lie.
They have CD numbers and they translate into better MPG numbers.
Why do you think you have to be going insane speeds to notice anything? It's not something you're going to feel directly. You'll notice it on your monthly credit card statement.

[smakdown61]

Bottom Line:

Its still got the same crap 2.3L DISI, no thanks.

Unless they beefed up the rods or switched to the bosch fuel injection system.

[DaleNixon]

What's crap about the 2.3L DISI? The growing pains of being an engine with new technology? Or the fact that we can't make 500whp with it?

[15min5k]

Bottom Line:

Its still got the same crap 2.3L DISI, no thanks.

Unless they beefed up the rods or switched to the bosch fuel injection system.

I suppose that's why it made it on Ward's 10 Best Engines for like 4 times in a row. Also, if it's such "crap" wtf did you buy the car???? Not everyone needs/ whats a freakin 500whp FWD beefed up econobox. I'm guessing you're what? 19-20?

[happy and angry]

Guys, some people have had bad experiences with the motor, wanted something with a bit more power, or simply want something they feel is more tunable. Relax. Your asses, they should not be sore. Yeash.

[boosted1]

The 2.3 DISI MZR is a very good engine. In turbo form, it is smooth and torque-laden. As stated above, if you wanted a 500 hp car, you picked the wrong vehicle. What you have in the MS3, is a quick,best in class econobox, with the heart of a lion.

[stageup]

The 2.3 DISI MZR is a very good engine. In turbo form, it is smooth and torque-laden. As stated above, if you wanted a 500 hp car, you picked the wrong vehicle. What you have in the MS3, is a quick,best in class econobox, with the heart of a lion.

and the legs (mounts) of shaun livingston

[FrequentFlyer]

this drag improvement is ridiculous and useless, you have to be doing insane speeds to feel any difference if the drag is indeed the lowest lol. I just dont get it why put the overall design at so much risk that ends up turning/pissin a lot of folks/potential buyers off???

Ok so the god horrible smiling mouth front fasia is still not yet justified...

I guess you don't live in NJ where you get pushed off the road if you do less than 80mph on the Turkpike or I-295. I garauntee you better aerodynamics are making a different at highway speeds.

[prmspen]

Top Gear's take on the 2010 MS3, with pics.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/mazda3-mps-2009-02-03?utm_source=february-5-2009&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ongoing

They seem to think it will be FWD, not AWD.

[daonly1around]

Top Gear's take on the 2010 MS3, with pics.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/mazda3-mps-2009-02-03?utm_source=february-5-2009&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ongoing

They seem to think it will be FWD, not AWD.

i don't think anyone was really expecting a AWD version..

[john blutarski]

and the legs (mounts) of shaun livingston

lol

[iguanaboy]

On autoweek.com starts around 2:30 http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090203/VIDEONEWS/902039991

[paylew]

I wanna see one up close and personal.

[ohhryan]

Went to the DC auto show today and took a look at the 2010 sedan and hatch and I must say that they are definetly better looking in person than in the pictures. The dual exhaust is actually a muffler with one inlet and two outlets. The taillights stick out a lot from the body of the vehicle. There's definitely a lot of space in the engine bay at the rear of the motor.

[skylar2ups]

Great pictures... it does look better than Mazdas pics that seem to try and get the car to Smile.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Great Pictures but i still think Mazda Have ruined a great looking car, in my opinion this Mazda 3 or Mazdaspeed 3 is a complete mess, inside, outside and engine and technology wise since they are still using the same motor with same technolony and same HP. These Mazdas are a complete dissapointment Period !!!!!!

[JDM-P5]

Went to the DC auto show today and took a look at the 2010 sedan and hatch and I must say that they are definetly better looking in person than in the pictures. The dual exhaust is actually a muffler with one inlet and two outlets. The taillights stick out a lot from the body of the vehicle. There's definitely a lot of space in the engine bay at the rear of the motor.

LOL @ the edits!


Hey...I would still rep i the car.

There's modifications for a reason.

[StealthWyvern]

Note: the MSP is not a MS3. Hes referring to the mazdaspeed protege.

when it comes down to it, cars cant keep the same designs even though they might look good. They have to evolve and flow with the rest of the lineup.

The protege just didnt sell well enough to justiy keeping it alive. Has nothing to do with evolving. Look at the F-150 trucks and Mustangs... Those things has a long ass generation line up because they sold well. redesigns are them evolving.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

The protege just didnt sell well enough to justiy keeping it alive. Has nothing to do with evolving. Look at the F-150 trucks and Mustangs... Those things has a long ass generation line up because they sold well. redesigns are them evolving.

Daniel what are you saying about the protege's didn't sold well ? are you serious man ? Protege have been for years and generation best sport compact cars world wide. for me is just BS they didn't sold well to keep them alive. Today the big car manufactures are just fucking every single car they come up with, Look at Toyota with the Supra, look at Mazda with the RX-7, etc etc etc they haven't come up with something better and most likely they never will and that's a huge mistake period.

[Hank3]

Whoa those tail lights do stick out like sore thumbs!

[clos561]

Went to the DC auto show today and took a look at the 2010 sedan and hatch and I must say that they are definetly better looking in person than in the pictures. The dual exhaust is actually a muffler with one inlet and two outlets. The taillights stick out a lot from the body of the vehicle. There's definitely a lot of space in the engine bay at the rear of the motor.

no interior shots?

[Sport6]

no interior shots?

http://image.motortrend.com/f/10872862/112_0811_01z+2010_mazda3+interior.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2010/mazda.3/10.mazda.3.seats.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2010/mazda.3/10.mazda.3.ip.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2010/mazda.3/10.mazda.3.nav.500.jpg

[skylar2ups]

Mazda is changing all the engines in their cars by 2012, i think I heard that and since the engine in the speed3 also goes in the CX-7 i think maybe they are going to change all the engines at one time, minus the RX-8.

[Oneurt]

the taillights have an Astra look to them. The fog lamp vents look a bit off... hmm I'm not sure what to think right now. I'm sure it'll still be a blast of a car to drive.

[Donas64]

the taillights have an Astra look to them. The fog lamp vents look a bit off... hmm I'm not sure what to think right now. I'm sure it'll still be a blast of a car to drive.

Except that the Astra has handsome styling while the new 3 is questionable.

http://www.patsgaragevauxhall.co.uk/images/1026-03.jpg




Still, I would not kick an MS3 out of bed

[15min5k]

I've seen serval Astras in person and wasn't too impressed. They aren't bad looking but the 3 in hatchback form looks much better IMO.

[happy and angry]

You think a Mazda 3 is better than [CAR X] for some reason? Colour me surprised.

[ohhryan]

I chatted with the rep for about 15 min while I was at the auto show.. about the only information I could get out of him was that, "Mazda will only use Mazda engines in Mazdaspeed vehicles."

Other things I noted:
None of the 3's at the show had manual transmissions or push button start.
Controls for the new GPS system are on the steering wheel.
Power controls on the driver seat allow for a wide variety of seating positions vs. the seats in the current MS3.
Glovebox space is significantly reduced.
Armrest for the center console was wrapped in a material to match the seats and not some sort of rubber as it currently is.

[VermZ06]

I've seen serval Astras in person and wasn't too impressed. They aren't bad looking but the 3 in hatchback form looks much better IMO.

The astra is one on the few cars that actually looks better in photos than in person...

[StealthWyvern]

Daniel what are you saying about the protege's didn't sold well ? are you serious man ? Protege have been for years and generation best sport compact cars world wide. for me is just BS they didn't sold well to keep them alive. Today the big car manufactures are just fucking every single car they come up with, Look at Toyota with the Supra, look at Mazda with the RX-7, etc etc etc they haven't come up with something better and most likely they never will and that's a huge mistake period.

I didn't mean it like that man. (hand) I meant it as in they didn't sell well enough to just redesign it and keep the current name. You know have liek 15 generations of protege's like they do the f series trucks, mustang, ect, ect

[15min5k]

You think a Mazda 3 is better than [CAR X] for some reason? Colour me surprised.


Yes, that is indeed my opinion. I also think there's plenty of other cars that a look better than the 3 so what's your point?

[79_Limited]

Great Pictures but i still think Mazda Have ruined a great looking car, in my opinion this Mazda 3 or Mazdaspeed 3 is a complete mess, inside, outside and engine and technology wise since they are still using the same motor with same technolony and same HP. These Mazdas are a complete dissapointment Period !!!!!!

I agree there. Is it me or does it look like the older design of the Toyota Matrix?

[Antonio DiMarco]

The astra is one on the few cars that actually looks better in photos than in person...

Saw a blue one like that a couple of weeks back and was amazed at how ordinary it looked.

[pcpower]

hey guys,,

does anyone know if the 2010 MS3 will likely have different interior backlighting on the gauges (speedometer, etc) than the current ms3?

the interior picture being displayed on all those 2010 ms3 sneak peek sites (at least for the european version) show the same orange-ish backlighting, but it looks like there is a little bit of blue mixed in. is that what the current speed3 has?

thx!

[TRDMS3]

saw a few lined up on the mazda lot near me, (argh) damn they're worse in person, the new blue is kinda cool but should not be on a car make like mazda. It'd suit more a beetle or something else really small and ugly...

[15min5k]

Doesn't sound like they made any real significant upgrades on the 10. They just made an ugly car uglier, lol!

[skylar2ups]

saw a few lined up on the mazda lot near me, (argh) damn they're worse in person, the new blue is kinda cool but should not be on a car make like mazda. It'd suit more a beetle or something else really small and ugly...
I hope you're not talking about the '10 Mazda3 because they are not out yet...

[skylar2ups]

Doesn't sound like they made any real significant upgrades on the 10. They just made an ugly car uglier, lol!
And again Mazda is changing all their engines by 2012 so the are going to upgrade the engine when all the engines change but since the CX-7 is using the the same engine as the speed3 they would have to change the engine in there too.

[15min5k]

And again Mazda is changing all their engines by 2012 so the are going to upgrade the engine when all the engines change but since the CX-7 is using the the same engine as the speed3 they would have to change the engine in there too.

I didn't say anything about 3yrs from now "2012" By then who knows what kind of cars will be out to choose from. Hopefully not just a bunch of boring hybrids.

[Antonio DiMarco]

I got a chance ot see the new 2010 today and overall I like it. Here are my impressions:

Interior is fantastic.
Materials quality and ergonomics are universally excellent. Button placement and quality is excellent. Compared to the current 3 interior the 2010's looks more integrated with fewer vein lines and higher quality plastics where it counts. Love the new Navi placement and design. Again compared to the current 3's navi set-up it feels/looks better in terms of fit and finish. Steering wheel controls for Navi are also excellent and intuitive. Overall defintely a step-up from the current model. IMO the interior approaches if not quite equals the quality of what you'd find in an Acura at a 5-10,000 premium.

Exterior is also very nice up 'til the front grille. Myself and one other on-looker agreed that a monochrome paint job may improve the overall appearance compared to the pieced together look of the black plastic fog surrounds and lower grille. Still in person the look was fresh and interesting. Not at all run of the mill. Head on it looks really aggressive and classy. Off angle it can take a little getting used to.

Overall though I think Mazda has done a nice job with the update. In person the cars lines are reminiscent of the current three with a more angular flow. And I honestly think the front would grow on me over time. Typically interesting designs seem weird at first becasue they fly in the face of what were used to. I originally didn't think I'd like the lines of my MS3 but after living with it for over a year I can honestly say that I never tire of looking at it.

Let the flame war begin.

[Alexsered]

this could be the next 2009 "STI", photographs horribly, but looks good in person.

[mazdaspeed32007]

this could be the next 2009 "STI", photographs horribly, but looks good in person.

the rear end of the sti is the worst rear end of any car evey made......ever. lol. im sorry that shit is so ugly. its almost as bad as the FJ. hahaha. almost as bad as the AMC pacer. any agreement on this?

[Sport6]

the rear end of the sti is the worst rear end of any car evey made......ever. lol. im sorry that shit is so ugly. its almost as bad as the FJ. hahaha. almost as bad as the AMC pacer. any agreement on this?

I think the rear end looks good, minus the clear taillights... those are terrible.

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

I think the rear end looks good, minus the clear taillights... those are terrible.

dont leave out the stupid chrome trim peice on the hatch

[TRDMS3]

I hope you're not talking about the '10 Mazda3 because they are not out yet...

Hell yeah they are unless there are two versions of 2010

[TRDMS3]

I'd never choose the 09 wrx over my current ms3 but never say never it's actually better lookin than 2010 ms3 now

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

i dont really kno why so many current mazdaites are hating on the '10 MS3, maybe for me its because i own a NA proty and am looking for something that offers more in cosmetics and in performance and with the '10 MS3 coming out probably about the time that itll be time for a new car for me it will definitely be on my list since i'd much rather own a new turboed car over a used one (although i love the current MS3 and 6). i mean for me i like everything but the dual exhaust, i really like the front end changes, i like how it looks much similar to the Rx-8's facelift and it gives it a much more aggresive look (even with its big 'ole smile lol).

just my .02

[oaklandopen]

the rear end of the sti is the worst rear end of any car evey made......ever. lol. im sorry that shit is so ugly. its almost as bad as the FJ. hahaha. almost as bad as the AMC pacer. any agreement on this?

i disagree that the sti has the ugliest rear ever, i actually like it.

and i think you're forgetting that the fugliest car ever is the pontiac aztek

http://www.imageput.com/hosted/65255aztec.jpg (http://www.imageput.com/)
http://www.imageput.com/hosted/808192002-05_pontiac_aztek.jpg (http://www.imageput.com/)

[skylar2ups]

Hell yeah they are unless there are two versions of 2010
The 2010 Mazda3 isn't for sell yet.

[TRDMS3]

The 2010 Mazda3 isn't for sell yet.

ok unless they're out at my local mazda dealer on a parkin lot just for show with a note saying not available for sale until..? I don't get it... (bang)
I am over the new model, it doesnt bother me when it's out, nothin exciting anyway

[skylar2ups]

ok unless they're out at my local mazda dealer on a parkin lot just for show with a note saying not available for sale until..? I don't get it... (bang)
I am over the new model, it doesnt bother me when it's out, nothin exciting anyway
Whats your dealers name? I want to call and ask how they seem to have the new 3's.

[TRDMS3]

Whats your dealers name? I want to call and ask how they seem to have the new 3's.

lol and I thought you guys get all the shit before us. I am up in canada man, west coast.

[Mr_Boom]

i disagree that the sti has the ugliest rear ever, i actually like it.

and i think you're forgetting that the fugliest car ever is the pontiac aztek

http://www.imageput.com/hosted/65255aztec.jpg (http://www.imageput.com/)
http://www.imageput.com/hosted/808192002-05_pontiac_aztek.jpg (http://www.imageput.com/)

Coming in a close second....the Dodge Nitro

[xboxlivemonkey]

anyone else notice the exhanust manifold is opposite then the previeous gen ? looks like there getting there engine bay from toyota

[skylar2ups]

I didn't say anything about 3yrs from now "2012" By then who knows what kind of cars will be out to choose from. Hopefully not just a bunch of boring hybrids.
You were talking about how the engine of the car stayed the same and I gave you a reason. I also said BY 2012, the CX-7 is still new-ish and if they had to change the engine in it the price would go up. I'm sure they are waiting on a CX-7 and 9 refresh to add the new engines.

[mazdaspeed32007]

i disagree that the sti has the ugliest rear ever, i actually like it.

and i think you're forgetting that the fugliest car ever is the pontiac aztek

oh my god i totally forgot about the aztek. lol. man i cant believe some of these cars go through hundreds of people hands and they all agree to make and release some of these.

some like the 10 ms3 and 09 sti are "ugly" i say this loosly. we pick hard on these cars because we expect a lot from them. our standards for these cars are extreemly high and everything to a trim piece is analyzed. where something like the aztek nobody expects anything out of and wow....they sure verified that. lol.

[Alexsered]

the rear end of the sti is the worst rear end of any car evey made......ever. lol. im sorry that shit is so ugly. its almost as bad as the FJ. hahaha. almost as bad as the AMC pacer. any agreement on this?

the rear end is similar to the mazdaspeed3?

[mazdaspeed32007]

the rear end is similar to the mazdaspeed3?

i dont think so. here, make your own decision.

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[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

i dont think so. here, make your own decision.


+1

[the intimidator]

i have seen lots of pic of the 2010 i like this one the best

[tiagotiago]

i have seen lots of pic of the 2010 i like this one the best

I hadn't seen those pics...THIS IS the car they should have produced!!! not Mr. Smileyface.

I really like this one!!..save for the wheels.

[TRDMS3]

the rear end is similar to the mazdaspeed3?

Здорово чувак!

Always been curious why Subie persued to make an STi hatch, wonder if Mazda was looked at when they were designing one.

[TRDMS3]

I hadn't seen those pics...THIS IS the car they should have produced!!! not Mr. Smileyface.

I really like this one!!..save for the wheels.

I could still detect a grin there, damn why cant the hideous grill be squared off??? Would look far more agressive!!

[Donas64]

i have seen lots of pic of the 2010 i like this one the best

Such better integration of the RX-8 Styling cues. Maybe they can still fix it......or not.

[GoFast]

i have seen lots of pic of the 2010 i like this one the bestreminds me of the staypuft marshmellow man from ghost busters for some reason

[becks]

The 2010 Mazda3 isn't for sell yet.

Here in Canada dealers have had the 2010 3's since the last week of Jan

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005235.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/64o18i.jpg

[Je5ter]

OK I honestly didn't think the front end was "that" bad and I even thought I could live with it until I saw that pic!!! Fuck that front end is horrible!! There BETTER be some amazing paftermarket piece produced for that grille or I wil NOT be trading up!
Here in Canada dealers have had the 2010 3's since the last week of Jan

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005235.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/64o18i.jpg

[DaleNixon]

i have seen lots of pic of the 2010 i like this one the best

http://www.dogsindepth.com/terrier_dog_breeds/images/bull_terrier_h03.jpg

[Hank3]

haha...Spud McKenzie!

[pcpower]

hey guys,,

couple comments. crap I will be displeased if the 2010 MS3 doesn't have a different gauge/speedometer lighting than the current MS3. Isn't the reddish-orange a bit much? A nice blue would be so... nice.

In regards to the front grille,, I think I have a simple solution... how about throwing some new paint on there? For ex., buy a red 2010 ms3,, notice the ugly black grille,.. put some red paint on maybe like half of it... you just might have a very sweet looking grille after that (if professionaly done).

what do u think?

[clos561]

OK I honestly didn't think the front end was "that" bad and I even thought I could live with it until I saw that pic!!! Fuck that front end is horrible!! There BETTER be some amazing paftermarket piece produced for that grille or I wil NOT be trading up!

that gray 3 looks whack

[tiagotiago]

Here in Canada dealers have had the 2010 3's since the last week of Jan



Over here in Mx the new 3 is up on Mazda's webpage, and only the speed3 remains of the previous gen car, so I'm guessing they're gonna start selling them soon, if they aren't already selling them. I'm gonna go check my dealership if they have any new ones in the showroom. Maybe seeing one in person will make me like that Joker inspired front end.

[paylew]

that gray 3 looks whack

agreed. That is U-G-L-Y

[hyperpm]

glad i have current model.

[daonly1around]

the "real"time pics look a lot better than the official release photos

[becks]

Here's a couple more pics for you guys

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005237.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005248.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005231.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005244.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005229.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/AJBOY_99/100_0968.jpg

[DaleNixon]

I like that 2010 white sedan more than any 2010 hatch I've seen.

[mazdaspeed32007]

uhhh....i think i took a white shit once. they stole my creation! lol.

[mazdaspeed32007]

http://www.dogsindepth.com/terrier_dog_breeds/images/bull_terrier_h03.jpg

hahahahahaha/ sweet

[SleepyMSP]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005237.jpg



just grin and bear it LOL (flame2)

[Kain]

I'm only jealous of the integrated Bootoof.

[Alexsered]

the front end looks like a cx-7. Mazda 3 does not looks good in the pictures.

[skylar2ups]

hey guys,,

couple comments. crap I will be displeased if the 2010 MS3 doesn't have a different gauge/speedometer lighting than the current MS3. Isn't the reddish-orange a bit much? A nice blue would be so... nice.

They were going for a blackout look... there is a "How To" on this forum to change the colors on the speed-o.

[pcpower]

They were going for a blackout look... there is a "How To" on this forum to change the colors on the speed-o.

thanks,,, I can't seem to locate it though. the closest topic I found was titled 'How-To: LED interior/reverse/licence plate light ",,, doesn't include the speedomoter/gauges.

[Antonio DiMarco]

Here's a couple more pics for you guys

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005237.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005248.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005231.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005244.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005229.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/AJBOY_99/100_0968.jpg

Compared to the red sedan I saw the front nose on the white sedan looks much better. The contrast of black and white helps. A black 3 witht he new nose will probably look very nice. I like the picts you took of the front.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005237.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/sicsol/S6005248.jpg

The second pict really shows how nice the front is at certain angles. Not unlike the current model there ARE certain angles that look nice, while other angles not so much.

In 4 to 5 years I'd probably look to trade. I got Silver this time around but I did prefer my Black 04. A Black 2012 Speed would be my choice next time around. I think it would look sharp.

[Antonio DiMarco]

uhhh....i think i took a white shit once. they stole my creation! lol.

I got to say this forum attracts the classiest of patrons.

Keep it up and the Aliens will win. Booga-booga :eek:

[CHICO2003]

Looks like it's got a damn chicklet in its mouth! Just a matter of time before people are painting teeth on. I think Mazda took the idea of a 'grille' a bit too seriously on this one. Everything else looks good though...

[TRDMS3]

http://www.dogsindepth.com/terrier_dog_breeds/images/bull_terrier_h03.jpg

Omg lol I died...
I prefer the rear end better haha
Cheers man good quality laugh

[pcpower]

I have been thinking about the 2010 mazda3 vs the potential 2010 mazdaspeed3, and actually might have a tougher time deciding which to pursue than I originally thought. initally was thinking the MS3 hands-down, as it will be faster (potentially meaning more fun daily driver), good looking hood scoop / dual exhaust / etc, and will likely have a price tag only a few thousand above the regular mazda3.

but here are some advantages to the mazda3:

still a great value overall

lower insurance rates, lower excise tax

could probably throw in a navigation/bluetooth/etc while adding those to an ms3 would put the car up in the $27k range (estimate)

regular fuel (no premium necessary)

4 door option

sometimes with fast cars like the MS3 you don't always want to drive it fast, because you know, obeying traffic laws and avoiding tickets and the like.

I guess the bottom line is sure I think the MS3 rocks, but personally I might need to save that few extra grand and get something more practical.

thoughts? (nana)

[chippy]

MS3 also bad for road trips with stiff suspension haha!

[Sport6]

Question is would you regret getting the mazda3 over the speed3?


But bottom line it comes down to what you can afford.

[skylar2ups]

hey guys,,

couple comments. crap I will be displeased if the 2010 MS3 doesn't have a different gauge/speedometer lighting than the current MS3. Isn't the reddish-orange a bit much? A nice blue would be so... nice.



http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123730560

[Quiksilver05]

Yeah I def would like to see the 2010 in black (lol2)

[bani]

remember kids, grilles can NEVER be replaced. EVER. not even with aftermarket parts. just like bumpers.

[Wurf]

I think it looks cool, but I'm old and grew up thinking Mustang 5.0's looked cool so wtf. I like the scoop on the hood of the new WRX too, only because it's functional, can only help the TMIC work better, and it doesn't stick up in the air like a mailbox like the old WRX. The new WRX looks awfully similar though.

[importgirl212]

I'm sure i'm being redundant...but I don't have the time right now to search through here....but in case you didn't know the 2010 MazdaSpeed3 will be hitting dealers in June.

We are pleased to announce that the 2010 Mazdaspeed3 will be built in May and June and will begin arriving
in dealership showrooms in the month June. The vehicle will be based on the S Sport model with manual
transmission to maximize sales of this “Wild Child” of the Mazda3 family. It offers an available Tech Package
which contains a 242-Watt BOSE Centerpoint 10-Speaker Surround Sound system, In-dash 6-disc CD changer
-MP3 Compatible, Sirius Satellite Radio with 6 month subscription, Full color NAVI with Compact Navigation,
Perimeter Alarm, Advanced Keyless System and Push Button Start. This exciting new car will be available in
Black Mica, Velocity Red Mica, Celestial Blue Mica and Liquid Silver Metallic.

[oaklandopen]

I'm sure i'm being redundant...but I don't have the time right now to search through here....but in case you didn't know the 2010 MazdaSpeed3 will be hitting dealers in June.

We are pleased to announce that the 2010 Mazdaspeed3 will be built in May and June and will begin arriving
in dealership showrooms in the month June. The vehicle will be based on the S Sport model with manual
transmission to maximize sales of this “Wild Child” of the Mazda3 family. It offers an available Tech Package
which contains a 242-Watt BOSE Centerpoint 10-Speaker Surround Sound system, In-dash 6-disc CD changer
-MP3 Compatible, Sirius Satellite Radio with 6 month subscription, Full color NAVI with Compact Navigation,
Perimeter Alarm, Advanced Keyless System and Push Button Start. This exciting new car will be available in
Black Mica, Velocity Red Mica, Celestial Blue Mica and Liquid Silver Metallic.

So nav is now standard equipment? That's some bullshit right there (not the you're lying kind, the messed up jealousy kind)

[CHICO2003]

No... it said it offers an available 'tech package' that includes nav.

There are some factory navs you want to have... Honda/Acura & Lexus come to mind. Others (sorry but Mazda's non-touch screen setup is the absolute worst) you probably want to avoid. I think we're a long ways away from them being standard equipment. In light of what I just said... that's definitely a good thing.

[Sport6]

The CX-7s Nav is touchscreen so its not a far cry for it to be included in the new speed instead of the button controls.

[NZ_Mazda3]

Hi everyone, not sure if anyone else has posted this yet but my local dealer just emailed it through to me. Apparently they are going to be here in my country in May & they are trying to get me to upgrade my current MS3. I do like the look of the new bonnet but not sure about the grill & front guards. I wonder if the new bonnet would fit on the current MS3....

The only other information he gave me is that it will be 2.5L Turbo putting out 215kw which I had already else where.

[DaleNixon]

Wait, now it's a 2.5? I thought it was confirmed it would be the same 2.3 in the current speed.

[Kain]

I do like the look of the new bonnet.

I think the bonnet would look good on a saloon with a matching boot either on the motorway or parked in front of my flat with new tyres. Don't forget the petrol!

[Circle9]

Edmunds Inside line said power would remain the same, so if it is indeed a bigger engine, I guess it will still have the same output?

[DaleNixon]

Hmm... that would be nice. "Now with less Knock!"

[rapier]

Engine isn't going to change from the 2.3 DISI, but it should get improved mileage.


"Carrying forward the MZR 2.3 DISI Turbo engine, Mazda3 MPS builds on the popularity and recognition of the previous model."

"The world premiere of the Mazda3 with i-stop, Mazda’s advanced fuel-saving start-stop system, will be shared with the all-new Mazda3 MPS, Mazda3’s high performance flagship model."

http://www.mazda.com/publicity/release/2009/200902/090203a.html

[DaleNixon]

i-stop at every red light? I wonder if that accounts for the 30 second + cool down the manual suggests. Or maybe the turbo turds will just flow right out of the exhaust pipe(s).

[smakdown61]

Hi everyone, not sure if anyone else has posted this yet but my local dealer just emailed it through to me. Apparently they are going to be here in my country in May & they are trying to get me to upgrade my current MS3. I do like the look of the new bonnet but not sure about the grill & front guards. I wonder if the new bonnet would fit on the current MS3....

The only other information he gave me is that it will be 2.5L Turbo putting out 215kw which I had already else where.

Already confirmed 2.3L carry over on Mazda USA website.

[john blutarski]

cool I wonder if it will have the same great smoking turbo too!! I love looking like spy hunter... no really

[skylar2ups]

( http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayUpcomingMazda3_4Door.action )

MORE POWERFUL AND BETTER FUEL ECONOMY
Not to be outdone, the new available 2.5L engine on the s trim is now more powerful and smoother than its 2.3L predecessor. The 2.5L engine delivers an impressive 167 horsepower, 168 lb-ft of torque** and a new 6-speed manual transmission or available 5-speed Sport automatic transmission with manual-shift mode.

The i-trim is more fuel efficient — earning up to 33 mpg highway†, but is nonetheless powerful. Its robust 2.0L engine delivers 148 horsepower, 135 lb-ft of torque** and a choice of either a newly-available
5-speed Sport automatic transmission with manual-shift mode or 5-speed manual transmission.

( http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayUpcomingMazda3_5Door.action)
EXHILARATING DRIVING EXPERIENCE
During their incredible redesign of the MAZDA3 5-Door, the engineers paid special attention to what's under the hood. The newly developed 2.5L engine exceeds its predecessor in power, with an impressive 167 horsepower and 168 lb-ft of torque†. Both the new 6-speed manual transmission and available 5-speed Sport automatic transmission with manual-shift mode deliver a smooth, exhilarating experience that'll have you taking the long way home.

Remarkably, even with all this muscle under the hood, the MAZDA3 5-Door still gets an impressive 29 mpg highway‡, cutting back the time and money you spend at the pump. In addition to fuel efficiency, the MAZDA3 5-Door has an environmentally-conscious Partial Zero Emission Vehicle (PZEV) emission system, available in select states†.


( http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayUpcomingMazdaspeed3.action )
Already one of the world’s fastest front-wheel-drive cars, the 2010 MAZDASPEED3 blends five-door functionality with bolder, decidedly more aggressive styling and exhilarating performance to meet the needs of enthusiasts with active lifestyles. Carrying forward the MZR 2.3L direct injection turbo engine, the new MAZDASPEED3 builds on the popularity and recognition of the previous model by staying true to its Zoom-Zoom spirit and adding a fresh new look. Nagare-inspired design cues wrap the exterior and continue into the cabin, which features colors and materials inspired by sports fashion.



*** Just to clear that up.

[DaleNixon]

It just won't be a speed3 if it doesn't have shitty motor mounts, a smoking turbo, loads of knock, an insufficient fuel pump, and cowl/glovebox/seatbelt rattle!

Just kidding. I freaking love my car!

[Donas64]

I'm sensing a love/hate thing with the Speed 3. I feel like it's just a few quality control checks away from perfection. I think they might be able to nail it this time.

I wonder if the new one will hold boost all the way to the redline?

[Sport6]

i-stop at every red light? I wonder if that accounts for the 30 second + cool down the manual suggests. Or maybe the turbo turds will just flow right out of the exhaust pipe(s).

The I-stop is only for the regular 3 with the automatic..

[DaleNixon]

The I-stop is only for the regular 3 with the automatic..

"The world premiere of the Mazda3 with i-stop, Mazda’s advanced fuel-saving start-stop system, will be shared with the all-new Mazda3 MPS, Mazda3’s high performance flagship model."

Oh... I suppose it's the world premier being shared? Not the i-stop? It's just weird wording.

[Hank3]

New pricing for the Mazda3 per edmunds:



IRVINE, California — Mazda said its redesigned 2010 Mazda 3 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=138526) compact will start at $15,715, a hike of $355 from the outgoing 2009 model. Prices will range up to $22,970 for the Mazda 3 s Grand Touring with automatic transmission. Both hatchback and sedan variants should arrive this spring at U.S. dealers.

Mazda says its anticipated volume leader will be the Mazda 3 i Touring sedan with automatic, priced at $19,020. The Mazda 3 s Sport gets a larger, more powerful 2.5-liter engine rated at 167 horsepower and 168 pound-feet of torque. It will start at $20,210 for the sedan and $20,700 for the hatchback.

New for 2010 is a technology package that bundles keyless entry, push-button start, navigation system and Sirius Satellite Radio for $1,195, as well as a premium package with moonroof, six-CD changer and Bose audio system for $1,395.

[15min5k]

I'm sensing a love/hate thing with the Speed 3. I feel like it's just a few quality control checks away from perfection. I think they might be able to nail it this time.

I wonder if the new one will hold boost all the way to the redline?

It's using the same power plant, so no it will not. Plus the K04 turbo isn't designed for high RPM's, it's basically maxed out on the MS3. Regarding quality control, I think some just got a bad apple unfortunately or they're not taking proper care of it (cool down, maintenance, etc) I haven't experienced any of these issues and I drive like mad daily (within the limits of course) But I'm also spot on with the maintenance and don't MOD. You MOD, you take the risk.

[DaleNixon]

I haven't had any problems with my car aside from rattles and the passenger side mirror falling off randomly. My Dashhawk registers knock retard more frequently than I'd like, but apparently that's the case for everyone.

Mechanically she's super sound! I really don't have any complaints so far (4500 miles in).

[Donas64]

It's using the same power plant, so no it will not. Plus the K04 turbo isn't designed for high RPM's, it's basically maxed out on the MS3. Regarding quality control, I think some just got a bad apple unfortunately or they're not taking proper care of it (cool down, maintenance, etc) I haven't experienced any of these issues and I drive like mad daily (within the limits of course) But I'm also spot on with the maintenance and don't MOD. You MOD, you take the risk.

That seems to make sense to me. What if the mods are sanctioned by Mazda though like the Mazdaspeed CAI? I'd be willing to spring the cash for it if I knew it was covered under warranty.

[15min5k]

That seems to make sense to me. What if the mods are sanctioned by Mazda though like the Mazdaspeed CAI? I'd be willing to spring the cash for it if I knew it was covered under warranty.

Yeah, I'm mainly talking about power MODS but it Mazda gives the MS CAI the green light then go for it. I personally wouldn't because of where I live (Lots of rain, floods, etc) As far as coil overs, springs, wheels, and so on I wouldn't worry about it.

[Circle9]

I'm amazed that Mazda will warranty the car with the MSCAI installed, thats got to be one of the more risky mods (hydrolocking)

[DaleNixon]

I'm pretty sure they don't warranty you if you hydrolock.

[15min5k]

I'm pretty sure they don't warranty you if you hydrolock.

You're right, they don't.

[Donas64]

Thats does not sound fear. If they warranty a Mazda backed item, they should warranty any damage caused by that item, or design the item to avoid hydrolocking.

Does anyone know if Mazda has strengthened the motor mounts for the 2010 MS3?

[Kain]

Thats does not sound fear. If they warranty a Mazda backed item, they should warranty any damage caused by that item, or design the item to avoid hydrolocking.

The intake didn't cause the damage; it was the ingested water. Mazda can't be held liable for owner negligence when one decides to drive through a pond. Just like if you leave the lights on overnight and your battery dies, Mazda isn't going buy you a new one.

[happy and angry]

But but what about a really big puddle or something, I heard through a friend of a friend that he knew a guy whose father's best friend's cousin's nephew hydrolocked his car once in a three inch puddle out somewhere on the west coast.

Mazda has to warranty it then, I'm pretty sure they are required by law to make their cars really big puddle proof.

[Kain]

Page 43, Section A, subsection II.F of the Mag-Moss Act clarifies the distinction between "really big puddle" and "huge-ass pond."

[15min5k]

It doesn't take as much as you seem to think to hydolock a car with a CAI. Not worth the risk of having to shell out the money for a new Motor.

[happy and angry]

Yes it does.

[Design]

It doesn't take as much as you seem to think to hydolock a car with a CAI.

Yes it does. We're getting off topic here, but I can assure you the 2010 will have the same splash protection as its predecessor. You literally have to drive through 2+ feet of water or remove the splash guards to be truly "at risk."

[Design]

Hi everyone, not sure if anyone else has posted this yet but my local dealer just emailed it through to me. Apparently they are going to be here in my country in May & they are trying to get me to upgrade my current MS3. I do like the look of the new bonnet but not sure about the grill & front guards. I wonder if the new bonnet would fit on the current MS3....

The only other information he gave me is that it will be 2.5L Turbo putting out 215kw which I had already else where.


In addition to the engine size, I think you may have gotten some mis-information. The 2010 MS3 is not scheduled to hit the lots until late June or early July. If I remember right, they don't even start building the NA version until late April/early May.

[Kain]

I thought the Canuckistanis already were seeing the next-gen 3 on their lots.

[tiagotiago]

I thought the Canuckistanis already were seeing the next-gen 3 on their lots.


Mazda Mexico also has them on their lots. I saw a white sedan on Sunday in my local dealership. I'll see if I can upload pics this evening.

[happy and angry]

Yes it does. We're getting off topic here, but I can assure you the 2010 will have the same splash protection as its predecessor. You literally have to drive through 2+ feet of water or remove the splash guards to be truly "at risk."See, the hydrolock discussions on here are always hilarious to me, but I tend to stay out of them, but it's gone on long enough.

It's horribly off topic, and I might start a thread about it somewhere else (although that is just inviting trouble), but briefly: to hydrolock your motor you need to almost flood it. Which requires that you either fully saturate your air filter or some part of your intake system so that water can get through it in the first place and then keep driving with it either fully or partially submerged to suck a lot of water into the cylinder, or just fully submerge the engine (and long before that happens lots of other things will go wrong and shut down the motor).

People seem to think that you get some water into the cylinder and boom, hydrolock. That's crap. Small amounts of water get into the cylinder all the time, either through humid air condensing because of pressure changes or temperature changes through the intake system or just simple road and puddle splatter. You get some water droplets in the cylinder and they just cook off in the heat and you get some hot and cold spots in the combustion chamber that lead to inclomplete combustion or maybe very mild pinging. Who cares?

Water doesn't (really) compress. That's why you use it in hydrolics, after all. To hydrolock a motor you need to get enough water into the cylinder that on the compression or exhaust stroke, there is too great a volume of water in the cylinder for the stroke to finish at which point you start bending things like crankshafts or piston rods since the water won't compress or move any further. You need to have more water in your cylinder than the volume of your combustion chamber. 2.0L motor, 4 cylinders each is 500cc per cylinder. 10 to 1 compression ration means the combustion chamber is 50cc in size. You need to get more than a shotglass of water into your cylinder to hydrolock a motor for this example. Our motor has a bigger combustion chamber and slightly larger cylinders, so it's even more water. This may not sound like much but considering the presence of a filter and how hard it is to suck water droplets and road splatter through it, saturated or otherwise, it's massive. You need to have your air filter submerged and saturated, and a CAI is about what, 12 - 18 inches off the ground? That's higher than your doorsill. You need to get yourself into deep freakin' water to hydrolock.

[15min5k]

^ Keep telling yourself that.

[NCZ13]

^ Keep telling yourself that.


you do know before products like seafoam, water was squirted into the throttle body (tiny amounts) to "steam clean" the engine.

Just because your filter gets moist doesnt mean your engine is going to explode. You need to really submerge the front of your car.

[happy and angry]

I will. Being scared of hydrolock happening to your car if you have a CAI is like being scared of being outside because ice buildup from a plane flying overhead might break off and hit you - theoretically feasible but so wildly out there it's just not worth worrying about it. Stay out of stupidly deep puddles, there, you're safe. A simple grasp of physics and engineering and a little forethought just saved you from paranoia, isn't that great? The question of warrantying a hydrolocked car with an MSCAI is moot, as you cannot hydrolock a car without extreme negligence as a driver.

[GoFast]

See, the hydrolock discussions on here are always hilarious to me, but I tend to stay out of them, but it's gone on long enough.

It's horribly off topic, and I might start a thread about it somewhere else (although that is just inviting trouble), but briefly: to hydrolock your motor you need to almost flood it. Which requires that you either fully saturate your air filter or some part of your intake system so that water can get through it in the first place and then keep driving with it either fully or partially submerged to suck a lot of water into the cylinder, or just fully submerge the engine (and long before that happens lots of other things will go wrong and shut down the motor).

People seem to think that you get some water into the cylinder and boom, hydrolock. That's crap. Small amounts of water get into the cylinder all the time, either through humid air condensing because of pressure changes or temperature changes through the intake system or just simple road and puddle splatter. You get some water droplets in the cylinder and they just cook off in the heat and you get some hot and cold spots in the combustion chamber that lead to inclomplete combustion or maybe very mild pinging. Who cares?

Water doesn't (really) compress. That's why you use it in hydrolics, after all. To hydrolock a motor you need to get enough water into the cylinder that on the compression or exhaust stroke, there is too great a volume of water in the cylinder for the stroke to finish at which point you start bending things like crankshafts or piston rods since the water won't compress or move any further. You need to have more water in your cylinder than the volume of your combustion chamber. 2.0L motor, 4 cylinders each is 500cc per cylinder. 10 to 1 compression ration means the combustion chamber is 50cc in size. You need to get more than a shotglass of water into your cylinder to hydrolock a motor for this example. Our motor has a bigger combustion chamber and slightly larger cylinders, so it's even more water. This may not sound like much but considering the presence of a filter and how hard it is to suck water droplets and road splatter through it, saturated or otherwise, it's massive. You need to have your air filter submerged and saturated, and a CAI is about what, 12 - 18 inches off the ground? That's higher than your doorsill. You need to get yourself into deep freakin' water to hydrolock.


you do know before products like seafoam, water was squirted into the throttle body (tiny amounts) to "steam clean" the engine.

Just because your filter gets moist doesnt mean your engine is going to explode. You need to really submerge the front of your car.

haven't you guys figured out that no matter what he is told, no matter how many facts you give him, or no matter how wrong he is, you will never get through to him and he continues to garble his same crap and arguments in every possible post that he can? Look through his all of his posts both under the current screen name and MS3077 and you will see the same basic 2 arguments: ms3 is greater than everything and cobb sri is the greatest thing in the world.

[happy and angry]

He was also hard2kill and Ghost Rider (I'm surprised he hasn't taken Tupac as a name yet, actually), but mostly I like to tweak his nose. Trust me, I know how he works, I've had my run-ins with him before.

Plus if even one person who believes his insane and arbitrary fact-free position on CAIs reads my post, learns from it and stops listening to him, my words aren't wasted.

[NZ_Mazda3]

In addition to the engine size, I think you may have gotten some mis-information. The 2010 MS3 is not scheduled to hit the lots until late June or early July. If I remember right, they don't even start building the NA version until late April/early May.

I am in New Zealand & we seem to get the cars here before the US gets them. We also share the same specifications as the JDM ones which maybe why I was told we are getting a 2.5L Turbo version.

[tiagotiago]

I am in New Zealand & we seem to get the cars here before the US gets them. We also share the same specifications as the JDM ones which maybe why I was told we are getting a 2.5L Turbo version.

Maybe. Or maybe they just made a mistake. I say this because, if Top Gear (http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/mazda3-mps-2009-02-03?utm_source=february-5-2009&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ongoing) is correct, then the 2.3 DISI isn't just going to be offered in the NorthAmerican spec Speed3. Any way, mounting 2 different engines (assuming they use a already developed engine, like Ford/Volvo's 2.5l turbo 5) for a "limited production" car that's supposed to be profitable at a fairly low price seems like a bad way to keep costs down IMO.

[///M Compact]

He was also hard2kill and Ghost Rider (I'm surprised he hasn't taken Tupac as a name yet, actually), but mostly I like to tweak his nose. Trust me, I know how he works, I've had my run-ins with him before.

Plus if even one person who believes his insane and arbitrary fact-free position on CAIs reads my post, learns from it and stops listening to him, my words aren't wasted.

I for one appreciate your responses; I don't have the patience to deal with his incoherent arguments.

[CHICO2003]

While not nearly as controversial as some of the WRX grilles... Mazda's definitely taking a risk. I generally like the styling (inside and out) of the car... the front will definitely take some getting used to. Just for comparrison sake...

http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/MS3.JPG

[NZ_Mazda3]

Anyone else noticed the lines on the side (the curve from the bottom sill up to the rear wheel) look like the Mazda2? I am very curious about what the wheels look like.

[15min5k]

I will. Being scared of hydrolock happening to your car if you have a CAI is like being scared of being outside because ice buildup from a plane flying overhead might break off and hit you - theoretically feasible but so wildly out there it's just not worth worrying about it. Stay out of stupidly deep puddles, there, you're safe. A simple grasp of physics and engineering and a little forethought just saved you from paranoia, isn't that great? The question of warrantying a hydrolocked car with an MSCAI is moot, as you cannot hydrolock a car without extreme negligence as a driver.

You can't always tell how deep a puddle is bud, especially at night. I'm not willing to take the risk, you are and more power to you!

[15min5k]

I for one appreciate your responses; I don't have the patience to deal with his incoherent arguments.

Incoherent arguments? Dude, here's the deal... You don't like what I have to say and you call it incoherent, that’s smart! Keep on believing the same ole BS some of these morons feed down you throat I don't care it's your car. My arguments are valid only to ppl with common sense. You drive through a deep enough rain puddle (not knowing how deep it is because it's muddy, dark, etc) you can and or will hydrolock your car. You might think it's a shallow puddle but in reality it's pretty deep and boom! Hydrolock and you're out about 8k for a motor. What is so "incoherent" about that? I'm sure my 7 yr old nephew could grasp this simple concept... You’re insults are pathetic by the way, just another one of this forums sheep’s following H&A, nothing new here.

P.S. Take a little visit to Central Florida during the summer months and watch your thoughts/ opinons about hydrolock give you a reality check like real fast.

[CHICO2003]

Wow... talk about OT. Anyway... I'd hope that anyone with a CAI would be careful enough NOT to drive through a 2 foot puddle! lol I mean really people... I don't care if you live in FL or... Monsoonville... you can't be too careful. I had a CAI on my MSP for 5+ years and now a CAI on my MS3. Both had filters... for what it's worth. But since I can't imagine myself ever driving through anything substantial (I'd just turn around and find another way... F the people behind me if they give me shit) those filters are merely precautionary.

[CHICO2003]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/medium_3079935621_b6776b5b50_o.jpg

[tiagotiago]

Here are some pictures of the car in my dealership. It apparently was a base 2.0l car. I didn't have a lot of time since I was a bit late for work.

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q323/tiagosito/DSCN4726.jpg

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q323/tiagosito/DSCN4728.jpg

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q323/tiagosito/DSCN4730.jpg
You cant really see this in the picture, but the interiors where tan cloth, and this car had only the radio info screen uncovered. Directly in front of the driver, there was some white plastic covering the dash. IDK if it was covering anything or was just there for the dash's protection.

I'd already seen another white one on the street, but as I was getting out of my car to take the pictures a red sedan was leaving the dealership, I managed to take one picture of it.

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q323/tiagosito/DSCN4727.jpg

[Donas64]

thats a whole lotta plastic molding on the grille of the white one.

My consensus so far is that the base models don't look so hot but the speed3 can almost pull off the grille

[///M Compact]

Incoherent arguments? Dude, here's the deal... You don't like what I have to say and you call it incoherent, that’s smart! Keep on believing the same ole BS some of these morons feed down you throat I don't care it's your car. My arguments are valid only to ppl with common sense. You drive through a deep enough rain puddle (not knowing how deep it is because it's muddy, dark, etc) you can and or will hydrolock your car. You might think it's a shallow puddle but in reality it's pretty deep and boom! Hydrolock and you're out about 8k for a motor. What is so "incoherent" about that? I'm sure my 7 yr old nephew could grasp this simple concept... You’re insults are pathetic by the way, just another one of this forums sheep’s following H&A, nothing new here.

P.S. Take a little visit to Central Florida during the summer months and watch your thoughts/ opinons about hydrolock give you a reality check like real fast.

I just can't understand how someone as knowledgeable and articulate as you gets banned on a continuing basis...

[MS3Jon]

I took this pic of one at the Chicago Auto Show yesterday. Seeing it in person... it's poo. Not a fan.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3437/3290506653_fcee82c159_o.jpg

[MS3Jon]

Here's a shot I took yesterday at the Chicago Auto Show. I'm not diggin' it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3437/3290506653_fcee82c159_o.jpg

[Silver Ecstasy]

I love the color, but I am definitely not getting rid of my car any time soon, unless they got rid of the squeaks and rattles in the dash, and guarantee a strong stock rear motor mount lol.

I'll bet NONE of our parts are transferable (MM, SS, CAI).

[happy and angry]

Incoherent arguments? Dude, here's the deal... You don't like what I have to say and you call it incoherent, that’s smart! Keep on believing the same ole BS some of these morons feed down you throat I don't care it's your car. My arguments are valid only to ppl with common sense. You drive through a deep enough rain puddle (not knowing how deep it is because it's muddy, dark, etc) you can and or will hydrolock your car. You might think it's a shallow puddle but in reality it's pretty deep and boom! Hydrolock and you're out about 8k for a motor. What is so "incoherent" about that? I'm sure my 7 yr old nephew could grasp this simple concept... You’re insults are pathetic by the way, just another one of this forums sheep’s following H&A, nothing new here.

P.S. Take a little visit to Central Florida during the summer months and watch your thoughts/ opinons about hydrolock give you a reality check like real fast.Wait, I have sheep following me here? If only I'd known, I'd be mobilizing my armies for the powers of good!

RE: puddles. I find it hard to conceive of a puddle that is a stealthy foot and a half deep. At that point, it's not even a puddle anymore, anyway, and that is quite literally the sort of depth you need to get to before you can conceivably submerge your CAI. There are things like curbs, the grading of the road, and other things around your vehicle and the area you are driving to give you perspective. And if you can't see them in the rain and in the dark, maybe you should, uh, turn on your headlights?

I've never said you can't hydrolock your car, only that the risk of doing so is completely trivial and always within your control as the driver of your vehicle. But I guess this only applies to people who use headlights and depth perception. I hope a two and a half foot "puddle" doesn't sneak up on you in your treacherous Southern Florida driving or you and your SRI are so totally hydrolocked, brah. Actually, that does sound pretty bad, I think I'm going to have a snorkel installed on my car just in case a really deep puddle jumps out at me from behind a highway sign next time I'm driving in the rain, wouldn't want to be caught off guard, you know?

I knew I shouldn't have gotten into this here with you still floating around, so this next comment is not addressed to you because it is simply going to be over your head: CAI/hydrolock/warranty concerns (as brought up by someone else in this thread) are not realistic issues. It's so monumentally hard to accidentally hydrolock your car in the first place, and almost any time it happens it can be chalked up to driver error or driver negligence, and I'm pretty sure warranties do not ever cover that.

[AutoEuphoria]

I, for one, do not really like Mazda's new design language. It's getting too radical for my taste. I do like the looks of the new 6, though, which appears to be a kind of "in-between" the old and new design style

[mazdaspeed32007]

how about them redsox? haha. wrong thread to argue in. private message each other your compaints if you want to argue. others dont need the nonsense to fill up a thread with dignified conversation. thanks.

[Sport6]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/medium_3079935621_b6776b5b50_o.jpg

If they advertise driving on wet pavement they must cover hydrolocking.. Because thats a pretty substantial risk.

[happy and angry]

Does that look like 12 - 18 inches of stan.... ahem, what I meant to say was that Sport6 is a funny man, and that I am completely and totally incapable of picking up on sarcasm, which makes me a complete failure as a human being.

[Sport6]

Does that look like 12 - 18 inches of standing water to you? No? Okay, then shut up about hydrolock.

Or are you being sarcastic and do I need to take all of that back?

Sarcastic.

[skylar2ups]

If they advertise driving on wet pavement they must cover hydrolocking.. Because thats a pretty substantial risk.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I was driving through a parking lot I had never been in before and it was night and raining pretty hard and I went through a pretty deep LAKE and my car is still going... the carpet in the front and rear on the right side of my car was wet after I drove in the lake so it wass pretty deep...

[Donas64]

If they advertise driving on wet pavement they must cover hydrolocking.. Because thats a pretty substantial risk.

(rlaugh)

[15min5k]

What does driving on wet pavement have to do with anything??

[Olestra]

Oh god, stop posting in this thread, you're f-ing up a 2010 Mazda3 thread.
Wet pavement has nothing to do with anything except that its in the photo.
Go somewhere else...

[15min5k]

Oh god, stop posting in this thread, you're f-ing up a 2010 Mazda3 thread.
Wet pavement has nothing to do with anything except that its in the photo.
Go somewhere else...

I was only asking a question jackass, how about you leave?

Anyways, not too impressed thus far with the 2010 model but who knows.. Once I see one in person and take a drive I might change my opinion.

[metroplex]

My local dealer said the ordering cut-off for 2010 MS3's is March 3 and that the first cars will be delivered this summer. Has anyone received pricing or ordering info? The official reveal was scheduled for March 3 at Geneva, it makes no sense to have the cut-off on the same day as the public reveal.

I'm ready to order but only after I can get pricing and ordering info. No one has this info so I think the dealer is just jerking my chain.

[lanny709]

Not sure if any of you 3 guys have come across this but thought I would share....although it is kinda mean (I hate teasers)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRSgDAfqmHk

[becks]

He's jerking your chain as no dealer has any info regarding the 2010 MS3's except they should be arriving in June/July

[metroplex]

They told me they'd arrive in June-August but the order cut off for their allocation was 3/3. It seems like Mazda doesn't want the public to know anything about the car until after the reveal at which point no orders could be placed.

[Sport6]

They told me they'd arrive in June-August but the order cut off for their allocation was 3/3. It seems like Mazda doesn't want the public to know anything about the car until after the reveal at which point no orders could be placed.

Dealers 95% of the time don't know anything before the are announced anyway. Times are tough they want you to commit on buying a car that you haven't seen or driven yet.

If they don't let you order one after the reveal then they are stupid for turning down business. Worst thing would be you would be put on a waiting list, but this isn't a Ford GT or the first time a Lotus is here so there wont be one.

Wait for the reveal, make your decision after that. Buy from someone else if possible just because hes jerking you around before you even have seen the car.

[BlackCherry06]

Make sure to ask them if it can be ordered with a better looking grille.

[mazdaspeedster3]

Yea, that is stupid. Maybe they meant you COULD order one starting March 3. Each dealer will get plenty. I doubt everyone is going to run right out to get one. I think people are still a little shocked by the new look and will take a while for it to settle before all these diehards run to get one. You should be able to pick one up off the lot like you can still now on a 2008.5/2009 model. Also might be a great time to pick up a used one when they start getting traded in for the new one.

[CHICO2003]

Not sure if any of you 3 guys have come across this but thought I would share....although it is kinda mean (I hate teasers)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRSgDAfqmHk


Pretty cool.... Since I wasn't sure whether or not they were sticking with the red backlighting on the '10 model... its' nice to see they are!

I'm thinking this car is going to pick up right where the current MS3 left off. I actually prefer the more subtle look of mine but can defintiely see this being another big winner for mazda

[eg6motion]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/medium_3079935621_b6776b5b50_o.jpg

thats gonna looks sweet with a front plate... something like

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/eg6motion/bucktoothms.jpg

[mazdaspeed32007]

i swear to god if i ever end up in one of those im doing that right away.

[Donas64]

thats gonna looks sweet with a front plate... something like

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/eg6motion/bucktoothms.jpg

FTL!!!!!!

[bjjer]

I like the new MS3, front grill and all. If I wasnt dead set on getting AWD I might have considered a trade in.

[Captain KRM P5]

I took this pic of one at the Chicago Auto Show yesterday. Seeing it in person... it's poo. Not a fan.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3437/3290506653_fcee82c159_o.jpg

great picture of an ugly car. was there last night and was unimpressed. the booth was devoid of life compared to most any other booths by comparison.

the history of miatas display on the other hand was fantastic.

[tiagotiago]

Today I saw one of these (Peugeot 207) in the oncoming lane and had to do a double take since I didn't know if it was a Pug or a 3.

http://www.newswheel.com/files/Peugeot/207/peugeot_207_3.jpg

In person, and at the angle I was seeing it, they really look alike.

[CHICO2003]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/evil.jpg

[lanny709]

Pretty cool.... Since I wasn't sure whether or not they were sticking with the red backlighting on the '10 model... its' nice to see they are!

I'm thinking this car is going to pick up right where the current MS3 left off. I actually prefer the more subtle look of mine but can defintiely see this being another big winner for mazda

yea ive been reading alot and watching alot of stuff about the new 3's and they say "it's not going to be a revolution just more of an evolution"
More of less build and improve the already spectacular 3 and speed3 :)

[Circle9]

It just looks too cute, it needs a meaner, more aggressive look to compliment its abilities.

[Jon MS3]

hood scoop, +1
Smiley grill, -5
RX8 fenders, -5
overall = -9

happy with my 08.5 for now

[Quiksilver05]

Someone will eventually make a aftermarket bumper or grill and i bet you will change your mind just like with the new STI's

[JudderMS3]

2010 MAZDASPEED 3 PICS


Hey everyone!!! Found some '10 pics on mazda3revolution.com of the speed3!!! There's a couple of wallpapers...and spy shots from "the 'ring".
http://mazda3revolution.com/mazda3-guide/breaking-2010-mazdaspeed-3-revealed-official-photos-details-inside/
http://mazda3revolution.com/mazda3-guide/four-new-2010-mazdaspeed-3-spy-shots-from-nurburgring/http://mazda3revolution.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-Mazdaspeed3-Spyshots/2010mazdaspeed3-2.jpg

[tiagotiago]

Here are 3 roadtests about the new 3

Car and Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/mazda_mania/2010_mazda_3_s_grand_touring_road_test)
Automobile Magazine (http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/0811_2010_mazda_3_sedan_review/index.html)
Edmunds Inside Line (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=136426)

[dizzin9]

not feeling it. 1st gen FTW

[derspi]

I don't understand why they refuse to go with a FMIC.

Most likely for 5-MPH bumper crashworthiness test. And most likely because of reduced cost to manufacture.

And I don't know if anyone else sees it but doesn't the rear half (side profile) look eerily like the current Toyota Matrix?

[squidmotion]

i could swear i saw a brand new, 2010 mazda 3 in the neighborhood today...

are they out already? we get new cars quickly here in the houston area, so that wouldn't surprise me... it was all black, and we passed each other, so i didn't get a complete look... but i sure recognized her smile!!!

:D

[CHICO2003]

New grille's already grown on me...

[blackdragon0731]

heres the 2010 mazda 3 mps:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/blackdragon0731/2010-mazda-3-mps12.jpg
you can google it, its official :)
heres my MS paint mockup of the biggest problem i have with the front... i changed it a little, i think its a huge improvement, and sorry for the crappy MS paint ness of it lol
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/blackdragon0731/redmockup2010speed3.jpg

[pcpower]

werd, I agree that if you just paint the front grille or get an aftermarket down the road, it will be sweet.

and I am pissed at the dealer who said the cut-off order date is in march, LOL. tell your dealer the following:

nobody is buying turbo-charged cars using premium fuel in 2009.

everyone is buying little honda fit gas sippers.

you don't pre-order any car unless it is extremely rare (ah bugatti, etc).

I'm going to another dealer. :]


p.s. - I am just being sarcastic, I will still by a fuel guzzling car if it rocks the party, like ms3 does.

[tiagotiago]

LOL

Dead celebrity cars (http://jalopnik.com/5158030/cesar-romero-would-drive-a-mazdaspeed3)

[lanny709]

LOL

Dead celebrity cars (http://jalopnik.com/5158030/cesar-romero-would-drive-a-mazdaspeed3)

hahahaha sweeeeeet

[FrigginGLI]

Nobody likes the smile yet. lol

[happy and angry]

Nobody? I sort of do. It looks fine, I don't see what the big deal is.

[lanny709]

Yeah it's not so bad. Kind of looks like a wasp or something to me? Definitely EVIL!

[Antonio DiMarco]

Yeah it's not so bad. Kind of looks like a wasp or something to me? Definitely EVIL!

It will look even better.

[AWmustang]

It looks MUCH MUCH better in person. Still not sure I like it, but definitely see it in person before you judge.

[Qwik6]

That front end doesnt flow at all. Is this mazdas idea of a joke? The curent version looks 10 times better.

[niz55]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_009-0301.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_008-0301.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_007-0301.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_006-0301.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_005-0301.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_004-0301.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_011-0301.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_012-0301.jpg






More info
http://www.motorauthority.com/2010-mazda3-mazdaspeed-mps-debuts-in-geneva.html

[GoFast]

merged

[bani]

grilles can't be painted nor can they be replaced with aftermarket parts.

if you're unhappy with any aspect of a car, you cannot change it. ever.

[bani]

Someone will eventually make a aftermarket bumper or grill and i bet you will change your mind just like with the new STI's

grille cannot be replaced. if you are unhappy with any aspect of your car you cannot change it. aftermarket parts do not exist for anything.

all the complainers on this thread should remember that.

[Antonio DiMarco]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_009-0301.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_008-0301.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_006-0301.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_011-0301.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/niz55/2010_mazda3_mazdaspeed_mps_012-0301.jpg


That's sharp. The interior red highlights on the door panels, seats and dash are classy. You can see how they kept the rear roofline of the older MS3. Black will look even better. The interior is the most striking aspect o fthe new car. So much more grown up and integrated compared to the outgoing design. And the outgoing design is no slouch.

[Smokehouse]

I just can't get over it...I despise the way it looks. The intake is great and something I feel my MS3 should have, other than that the new front quarter panels, the bulgy taillights and that insane front bumper are just too much for me. Even the guys at Car and Driver, often worshipers of the Mazda 3 didn't like the super happy looks of it.

After saying all that, to drive is to love. When the time comes to trade in my MS3 I will test drive this current model. With that said, unless driving it is an amazing experience...there's no way I'd buy the ugly thing.

[Qwik6]

Replacing the front grill on that car wouldnt even help it..

[Donas64]

I am alright with the new 3 in mazdaspeed (see more aggressive) trim. I really want to see one in black. I stand by my thoughts that in base trim the new 3 looks silly.

[boosted1]

The new design looks better in the new photos. I love the sculpted hood with the scoop. The only problem I have is with the rear tail lights. The tails should have been flush with the body, otherwise, it is a cool-looking ride. I will be taking one for a test drive, when it becomes available.

[diddiyo]

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[sanblaster]

brutal and/or atrocious.

[DaleNixon]

epic!

[BlackCherry06]

I like it from the hood emblem - up. I don't even mind the hood scoop that much, but that lower air intake is over the top.

LOVE the interior.

[Hank3]

To me, the new interior has some things that I think I would want, but it's not overwhelming me. Exterior is still a bit meh to me. So bottom line for me is I'd love to extract some things here and there from the interior and exterior, but not enough to trade up - just yet.

[tiagotiago]

I am alright with the new 3 in mazdaspeed (see more aggressive) trim. I really want to see one in black. I stand by my thoughts that in base trim the new 3 looks silly.

I agree with you, of the new 3s, the 2010 speed is the one that looks better. I very much like the way the headlights look, with that arrowish shape that forms in the base of the headlights. And that orange-ish color in the seats/trim panels looks cool, tough I'd like to know how it looks in person;but by the looks of them, the seats are now leather...with a bit of cloth/alcantara...rather than with the amount the 07-09 GT seats have.

Also... by looking at the first pics... the car has Dunlop rubber now?

[TRDMS3]

No more true red?? Pity! Love that colour on my 1st gen... that was a signature ms3 colour the new 2010 lost. :((

[boosted1]

Also... by looking at the first pics... the car has Dunlop rubber now?That is brand name I viewed on the tires also.

[xboxlivemonkey]

it looks too much like a matrix :/ but i would still appreciate the car

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

im not gonna lie, the only thing i dont liek is the taillights, but i can get over that ill most likely be buying one unless around the same time the ford fiesta comes out sporting the ecoboost 4 cylinder then i might need to give 'em both a try.... god damn ford not letting us have the effing mazda2

[CHICO2003]

Looks like Mazda took note of all the M3/MS3 owners taking their side-moldings off. I guess I'm in the minority but I actually prefer the look of my car with them on. Though, oddly... I don't think they'd fit THIS car well at all. That said, this is definitely more of an evolutionary redesign. The funky grille is really the only 'dramatic' change. Speaking of which... the more I look at it, the more I like it. Yes... like it. I went from hating it to tolerating it to now liking it. Though... if I were to get one of these, I'd have to get rid of the fogs They look like dimples or some shit. No good.

[ElSpeedDiablo]

I'm not diggin the wheels at all...overall the car is cool, but will agree it's the baby of the matrix and the sti...hehe...the smile grill is alright and the fogs

[Captain GJ]

Here are some more shots of the '10 Speed 3. Of special note is the boost gauge in between the tach and speedo. Also, it looks like the red stitching is back and looks great. Love the front seats too.

http://mazda3revolution.com/mazda3-guide/32-new-2010-mazda-3-mpsmazdaspeed-3-photos/