ALL 2010 Mazda3 Stuff Goes Here

[VermZ06]

How do you know? Are you sure? Why would Mazda include on in the 2007-2009 model and not the 2010...?

Unless they are using Dodge's excellent technology of brake assist type of LSD... FTL!!!

It's just from various reports/articles on the car i've been reading that no lsd will be used for the car..then again most of these articles are only rumors. So we won't know until it's official from mazda. Either way if it's awd or sporting the revoknuckles it should be a beast. I am personally hoping for AWD because of the area i live in though. New England winters FTL :(

[xboxlivemonkey]

got this email from mazda


http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=MAZDA3Reveal&referrer=http://www.mazda3reveal.com&campId=4735&bhcp=1

[skylar2ups]

And the finally waiting begins.

[phantomranger]

guys and gals relax, relax. 300 HP, big deal, i'm sure a few aftermarket add-ons will quench your thirst. AWD is good but it's not gospel. personally i think it's pretty damn cool to feel our little beast pulling and PUSHING us in the back of our seats. torque steer is not that bad. just get a firm grip on that wheel and let er rip. the only thing i would take from the new Speed 3 is the hood scoop. i am obsessed with hood scoops for some reason. however, i plan on getting a FMIC. dual exhaust is not that big of a deal. i have a mid pipe back exhaust, CAI, BOV, etc., and the car is pretty f'n quick.

So just relax everyone. 37 my little ponies isn't that hard to make up. and from the looks of things, the new Speed 3 doesn't look that much different. but that's just my opinion. i plan on upgrading my snail at some point so i won't have to worry about 300 HP anyway. ok i think i've gone on long enough. this is probably one of the best threads i ever read. PEACE

[jaydubz]

How do you know? Are you sure? Why would Mazda include on in the 2007-2009 model and not the 2010...?

Unless they are using Dodge's excellent technology of brake assist type of LSD... FTL!!!



I agree, it would be an exercise in futility if Mazda decided to keep a FWD layout without a LSD and incorporated a brake type of traction control. Dodge did this something to save money and look at the results, lots and lots full of Caliber SRT4, such a sad follow up to the Neon SRT4.

[TRDMS3]

the leak of 2010 speed3 spy shots kinda ruined it for me someone on here mentioned the upcoming model will no longer be a sleeper. The scoop, and all that makes a statement more than ever before that it's a more so a race car.
It was cool kinda when parked have people come up, "fucking nice red man what car is this, looks like a mazda 3" You go on and tell em it's turbo'd @ whatever hp that it fucking goes...
Hardly any one pointed out that it was a mazdaspeed3 ur driving but once the cat is out of the bag with all the specs listed YT videos of it up against a 350Z my mates have nothing but respect for my hatch, the 2010 model is almost here: I am not to thrilled about.

[Hank3]

We already know that the 2010 Mazda3 (http://blogs.internetautoguide.com/6296587/auto-news/2010-mazda3-to-make-debut-at-la-auto-show/index.html) is going to makes its official debut at the 2008 L.A. Auto Show. We also knew some specs about its engine. Today we bring you more though about its performance.

The 2010 Mazda3 range-topper will get a new 167-hp 2.5L engine (replacing the outgoing 2.3 liter) with an entry level 2.0 liter. The 5-door hatchback (http://blogs.internetautoguide.com/6350527/auto-news/2010-mazda3-releases-specs-before-debut/index.html#) model will arrive at a later date. The press release today stated that the 2010 Mazda3 will also get the following features either as standard or optional:

Self leveling Bi-Xenon headlights
Adaptive Front Lighting System
Mazda’s advanced keyless entry and push-button start
Hands-free Bluetooth® cell phone and audio player integration
Class-leading levels of reduced wind and road noise
Class-leading aerodynamics - 0.29 coefficient of drag
A strategically placed Multi-Information Display (MID) that displays important driver information such as audio settings, trip computer and navigation
Power driver seat (http://blogs.internetautoguide.com/6350527/auto-news/2010-mazda3-releases-specs-before-debut/index.html#) with memory
10 speaker BOSE Centerpoint surround-sound audio system

[oaklandopen]

The press release today stated that the 2010 Mazda3 will also get the following features either as standard or optional:

Self leveling Bi-Xenon headlights
Adaptive Front Lighting System
Mazda’s advanced keyless entry and push-button start
Hands-free Bluetooth® cell phone and audio player integration
Class-leading levels of reduced wind and road noise
Class-leading aerodynamics - 0.29 coefficient of drag
A strategically placed Multi-Information Display (MID) that displays important driver information such as audio settings, trip computer and navigation
Power driver seat (http://blogs.internetautoguide.com/6350527/auto-news/2010-mazda3-releases-specs-before-debut/index.html#) with memory
10 speaker BOSE Centerpoint surround-sound audio system

that list looks awesome...too bad they couldn't do those sooner, especially bi-xenon, advanced keyless entry, and the MID

[Hank3]

I wonder where all 10 speakers will go.

[DaleNixon]

http://blog.sounddomain.com/photos/steve_meade/doors_done.jpg

[skylar2ups]

http://blog.sounddomain.com/photos/steve_meade/doors_done.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Hank3]

More (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/losangeles/2008/lashow2010mazda3.html) pics and info up.

It's...it's....smiling at me.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/losangeles/2008/lashow2010mazda3.mazdavideo.img.jpg

http://www.achristmasstoryhouse.com/images/chineserest1.jpg

[TRDMS3]

wtf is with the smiling front end and the black plastic around the fogs,
it appeals less and less to me now...
looks like a few changes to the interior...

[skylar2ups]

From the side the sedan does kind of look like a neon... I just can't get over the front and the taillights... I want to see it in a dark color.

[Hank3]

I almost think it's too aggressive looking for its own good. And the overwhleming amount of black plastic is a bit distasteful.

[skylar2ups]

I almost think it's too aggressive looking for its own good. And the overwhleming amount of black plastic is a bit distasteful.

A bit? I'm hoping black mica will hide the fact that Mazda put plastic all over the front of our beautiful cars replacement.

[Hank3]

Well...I didn't want to sound too harsh ;)

[DaleNixon]

Don't fear the plastic!

[rahne]

http://blog.sounddomain.com/photos/steve_meade/doors_done.jpg


lmao, that needs to go in the rice pic thread!

[tiagotiago]

I almost think it's too aggressive looking for its own good. And the overwhleming amount of black plastic is a bit distasteful.

Exactly! the grills shape also doesn't look appealing to me. Peugeot did the same when they changed their 406 to the current 407, which sports a similar looking grille. IMHO the 406 looked a lot nicer, and the 406 coupe was a pretty clean looking car.

I'll reseve my final opinion until I see the new 3 in person(I didn't like the new 6 based on pictures, but when I saw it in person I liked it), but for now, I'll think that by buying my car 4 months ago, I got the timing of my car purchase juust right.

[tiagotiago]

Official Hatchback pics

http://www.motorauthority.com/2010-mazda3-hatchback-revealed-ahead-of-bologna-debut.html

[Kain]

Official Hatchback pics

http://www.motorauthority.com/2010-mazda3-hatchback-revealed-ahead-of-bologna-debut.html

Hey look, they already took off the side moldings from the factory. Thanks.

[Olestra]

Hey look, they already took off the side moldings from the factory. Thanks.

I like my side moldings. =P

[Alexsered]

Official Hatchback pics

http://www.motorauthority.com/2010-mazda3-hatchback-revealed-ahead-of-bologna-debut.html

The interior looks nice, but dare I say, the exterior reminds me of the blue toyota matrix my sister just got?

[Hank3]

Looks pretty good.

[ElSpeedDiablo]

The interior looks nice, but dare I say, the exterior reminds me of the blue toyota matrix my sister just got?

Agreed, the outside looks like a matrix a little bit and I dont realy like those cars, but I gotta see it in person to judge it. The interior does look sweet though.

[F430TECH]

Thats a big MEH for me....hope the MPS version is better...

295ft/lb should be pretty rorty though!!

[skylar2ups]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e337/skylar2ups/2010_mazda3_hatchback_002-1125-950x.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e337/skylar2ups/2008-subaru-impreza-wrx-hatch-back.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e337/skylar2ups/09_Toyota_Matrix_XRS_AG_06_768x576.jpg

I think if you mated the Matrix and Impreza it would birth the new 3.

[TRDMS3]

so the cat's officially out of the bag!!!
Big meh from me (scratch) (scratch) Matrix look alike indeed, I already predict what the speed is gonna turn out to be like curious to find out the engine specs tho

dunno didn't quite live up to my expectations, who said the new smiling front looks far more agressive?? ah well guess that's the new look and there's no way but to accept it.

All newer cars adopt the stretched out headlights now.

[hyperpm]

hmmm it looks like the current matrix.

[phantomranger]

damn that thing looks just like a Matrix. just a little sleeker. I don't particularly like the head or tailights, or the grill. overall it looks pretty good. doesn't make me wanna trade my SPEED in though. even if the new speed has 300 hp, by the time it comes out, i will have surpassed that mark. so i'm not sweatin it at all.

[FrequentFlyer]

Uuuh... is that a side mount intercooler I see?

[skylar2ups]

Uuuh... is that a side mount intercooler I see?

I was trying to figure out what that was...

[AutoXRacer]

Uuuh... is that a side mount intercooler I see?

No, thats just the radiator...

[FrequentFlyer]

Yeah, I guess now that I look at it, it is a radiator.

[mdavis]

I just noticed the shifter has 6 gears. could this be the new Speed interior?

[orlandomsp]

No, thats just the radiator...

(poke) That's an intercooler. It's a turbo diesel 3.


I just noticed the shifter has 6 gears. could this be the new Speed interior?

If I remember right, the new 3s will have 6 speeds.

[F430TECH]

Yeah pretty sure the radiator doesn't have 2.5 inch or bigger pipes...plus that would be a pain to fill if you have to remove the wheelwell everytime huh?

Oh wait you couldn't fill it anyway...theres no fill cap...

Its an Intercooler...look at the pistons in the cutaway. Those are Diesel pistons if ever i saw them...TurboDiesel FTW...more torque than our current cars i guess>??

[mdavis]

Yeah pretty sure the radiator doesn't have 2.5 inch or bigger pipes...plus that would be a pain to fill if you have to remove the wheelwell everytime huh?

Oh wait you couldn't fill it anyway...theres no fill cap...

Its an Intercooler...look at the pistons in the cutaway. Those are Diesel pistons if ever i saw them...TurboDiesel FTW...more torque than our current cars i guess>??

that is the Diesel. Look on the top of the cutaway it says MZR-CD 2.2. That's the 2.2L Turbo Diesel that has been released in europe.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/photos/mazda-mzr-cd-2-2l-diesel/1139505/

[Antonio DiMarco]

Not sure if this was posted. I looked through this thread since the article cam eout on 11/23. If it was sorry for the duplicate post. If it wasn't enjoy:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=136426?tid=edmunds.h..topfeatures.mazda3 fd.0.*#8

[FrequentFlyer]

that is the Diesel. Look on the top of the cutaway it says MZR-CD 2.2. That's the 2.2L Turbo Diesel that has been released in europe.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/photos/mazda-mzr-cd-2-2l-diesel/1139505/

Hence the 4500 RPM redline. Low redlines FTMFL! :D

[DaleNixon]

With all the torque of a diesel, who needs a high redline?

[Donas64]

With all the torque of a diesel, who needs a high redline?

I do! I likes to rev. While diesel torque is awesome, I want a small revvy car. I don't mind diesel torque in trucks or even big sedans. But in a small compact car, give me a punchy little 4cyl turbo!

[skylar2ups]

I do! I likes to rev. While diesel torque is awesome, I want a small revvy car. I don't mind diesel torque in trucks or even big sedans. But in a small compact car, give me a punchy little 4cyl turbo!

The Jetta TDi is pretty amazing I almost bought one, it was really quiet too!

[AWmustang]

I do! I likes to rev. While diesel torque is awesome, I want a small revvy car. I don't mind diesel torque in trucks or even big sedans. But in a small compact car, give me a punchy little 4cyl turbo!

Have you had a chance to drive the RX-8. Now there's a revvy car.

[DaleNixon]

Redline that makes the Civic Si blush!

[mazdaspeed32007]

Uuuh... is that a side mount intercooler I see?

looks like it to me. they burned the exterior of the car imo. the interior is ok minus the civic like display across the dash. two thumbs down compared to the current 3. not sure the differences with the speed model to the reg. but me hopes they ramped up the masculinity of it.

[Donas64]

Have you had a chance to drive the RX-8. Now there's a revvy car.

I've never driven an RX-8 but I've ridden in one. While it is a revving beauty, it's missing the punchy bit. Not enough torque for my tastes.

[Nextruss]

Just found this article on Motortrend.com,

http://www.motortrend.com/future/spied_vehicles/112_0810_2010_mazda_mazdaspeed3_spied/index.html

rumours are a turbocharged 2.5 this time around, not known between FWD or AWD.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/10941815/112_0810_03z+2010_mazdaSpeed3+side_action_spy_shot .jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/10941818/112_0810_04z+2010_mazdaSpeed3+side_spy_shot.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/10941821/112_0810_05z+2010_mazdaSpeed3+rear_spy_shot.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/10941827/112_0810_01z+2010_mazdaSpeed3+front_view_spy_shot. jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/11167083/112_0810_02z+2010_mazdaSpeed3+front_three_quarter_ spy_shot.jpg

[martin_nj]

hatchbacks are cool lookin

[Sphincter]

It's too bad it looks like a Toyota Matrix from the side, and a Nissan Versa on roids from the front. I do like the hood scoop though.

[BlackCherry06]

My biggest objection is the character line running diagonally up the side of the car and creating a 'hippy' protrusion in front of the taillights. Its too exaggerated. I prefer the subtle lines of gen 1.

[DaleNixon]

At least the wheels are fugly! We can sell our 1st gen MS3 wheels to these 2nd gen boys!

[pat_smith1969]

oooohhhhh cool Dual Exhaust, I wonder if we will be able install dual exhaust to our 1st gens once this comes out.

[sunny4201]

the exhaust would be cool if it was thicker (thats what she said)

[AWmustang]

At least the wheels are fugly! We can sell our 1st gen MS3 wheels to these 2nd gen boys!

those look like the RX-8 wheels. they may not be the ones on the production MS3

[79_Limited]

Yeah Motortrend mentioned it will get a decent power bump...up to 300lbs or torque I believe the article mentioned.

With that kind of new power I bet insurance rates will also see a good bump so I believe I will pass on this one.

[ElSpeedDiablo]

the exhaust would be cool if it was thicker (thats what she said)

Dude you can't call "Thats what she said" on yourself. My friend does that all the time. Ha!

[PCspeed3]

how is this thread so long when the car is soo ugly?

[Hank3]

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/10.mazda.3s.grand.touring/10.mazda.3.act.f34.1.500.jpg

What Works:
Excellent power, handling and poise for an economy car.

What Needs Work:
Exterior styling does not appeal to the masses; brake performance is unimpressive.

Bottom Line:
Mazda introduces its new 3 without compromising the spirit of its outgoing model.

Full article here. (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=138526?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#2)

[oaklandopen]

not a huge fan of the looks, but I am jealous of the bi-xenon and info display

[CrazyT]

What Needs Work:
Exterior styling does not appeal to the masses;

+1. At least it looks very happy. (hippy)

I still got $100 saying that there is no 2010 MS3.

[andrew.savage]

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/10.mazda.3s.grand.touring/10.mazda.3.r34.500.jpg

Dual Exhaust. Awesome!!!!

[VermZ06]

One way around that grille is an easy fix. Just opt for black and it won't be as noticable. Other than that good job mazda for finally providing an affordable nav. that looks MUCH nicer than a portable unit.

[frito]

I am glad I have my 08 from a looks stand point!

[GoFast]

is it just me or is that think looking more like a cavalier??

[madvillian]

god that is a terrible color..

[Circle9]

I don't think it looks THAT bad, but there's no need for the twin exhaust (dunno)

[Kindred]

is it just me or is that think looking more like a cavalier??

I totally see that as well, especially, the back end.

[turbo23]

Im sure it will look better in the flesh, Ive seen a few cars that look eh in pics, but sick in when I catch them on the road.

[paylew]

One way around that grille is an easy fix. Just opt for black and it won't be as noticable. Other than that good job mazda for finally providing an affordable nav. that looks MUCH nicer than a portable unit.

I was kinda thinking that too. A wagon/hatch could change my feelings about it a lot but right now, I'll keep my 08.5 reject. lol

[mo08ms3]

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/10.mazda.3s.grand.touring/10.mazda.3.r34.500.jpg

Dual Exhaust. Awesome!!!!

Agreed, I like the dual exhaust.

[mo08ms3]

is it just me or is that think looking more like a cavalier??

Holy crap, it does. I had a '96 Cavalier in that color and that body style is very similar

[arkenzo]

Holy crap, it does. I had a '96 Cavalier in that color and that body style is very similar

No it isn't. Stop flaming.

[240ka]

AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! my eyes. the front of that thing is horid

[GoFast]

No it isn't. Stop flaming.

yes it is (flame)

[340CID]

Dual exhaust on an in-line four screams "I am a poser!"

It's sad to think that some people will buy the 2010 Mazda 3 over a competitor car because it has dual exhaust.... little to these brain dead buyers realise it's not a true dual exhaust.

[240ka]

Dual exhaust on an in-line four screams "I am a poser!"

It's sad to think that some people will buy the 2010 Mazda 3 over a competitor car because it has dual exhaust.... little to these brain dead buyers realise it's not a true dual exhaust.

YEP.

i like my single just fine

[240ka]

ill say it again...MAZDA-release this

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/12/mazda_at_tas_1280_01.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/12/mazda_at_tas_1280_02.jpg

[GoFast]

the only thing about the dual exhaust that i like, is the fact that it adds balance. i for one hate when thing have an off balance appearance. the speed 6 looks so nice with the duals, i do wish that hte ms3 had something like that.

[aaronc7]

new mazda 3 front end = :-D

[Kain]

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/10.mazda.3s.grand.touring/10.mazda.3.act.f34.1.500.jpg

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Kain/2010mazda3.jpg

[yashooa]

WTF is up with that "Hello Everybody!" front end?

Perfect car for the Gay bar... I mean it's already got its mouth wide open :)
Linux you hearing this? (nana)(boobs2)(nana)


Yes that silver Atenza is much better. God why must every auto manufacturer in the world "Americanize" their cars before they come over? Please just leave well enough alone and let a good car in Europe/Asia be a good car over here!
We don't need loads of chrome, we don't need happy open mouth front ends, we don't need squishy suspensions and less power.
Do yourselves a favor and fire the American design teams. Not only will that keep the cars from being "fuglyified" it will save some money as well.
Ok, rant off.

[CrazyT]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Kain/2010mazda3.jpg

(rofl) That is hilarious!!!

[PCspeed3]

Lmao

That speed 6 concept is LEGIT

[Shiroi_ms3]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/jelyinspired/DSC01052.jpg

I have that sticker on my car lol

[CrazyT]

I have that sticker on my car lol

What does it mean? I'm assuming some japanese animation character of some type?

A google search for "super happy cartoon" did not help.

[squidmotion]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Kain/2010mazda3.jpg


when i saw this, i blew coffee all over my computer....


(lol2)


glad i just bought an '09...

the new one is waaaay to smiley for me.... why couldn't they go the lancer route?... 'hmmmm, ok. how can we make this thing look MEANER'.....

more like, 'hmmmm lets happy this car, clown style'

[Circle9]

Me like, where do the sell the Atenza?

[DaleNixon]

Personally I like happy looking cars. When the RX-8 came out it looked like the happiest clown fish in the ocean!

Supposedly the front end shape is very functional according to edmunds. It has a pretty sophisticated air induction system.

I'll admit it looks pretty over the top in pictures, but I'll reserve judgement for when I see one in person.

[Sport6]

Me like, where do the sell the Atenza?

the Atenza is the 6 of Japan. That was the 2009 Mazdaspeed Atenza concept. But remember Mazdaspeed packages in Japan are different than over here, they are usually only body/wheel/suspension packages.

[3Dogs]

Okay. Some of you like the smiley face front, some of you don't. Why do you have to ridicule each other? Next -- I haven't figured out how to reply to a specific post, so this is kind of late but ---- it may be absurd in your eyes that someone would buy a car because it has dual exhaust (which I agree with in the case of fake dual exhaust, if that is the only reason for buying), but so what? Other features are well known to sell cars even though they have limited or no real street advantage: rear spoilers (which increase drag), side skirts and ground effects (which provide no value at street speeds and are mostly good for finding potholes, high parking barriers and extreme speed bumps), blacked out light lenses, hood buldges, alloy wheels, chrome trim, black-out trim, ambient interior lighting, etc. These are all routinely used to sell cars on appearance, not on function. So what? To each his own.

[Moonpie.Express]

I think they are over doing the Furai concept. Looks cool wide and low, not so cool short and stout.

[GoFast]

Okay. Some of you like the smiley face front, some of you don't. Why do you have to ridicule each other? because its fun

to reply to a specific post, just hit the quote button

as for the rest of your post. you are right. people do buy based on appearance over function more often than not

[GoFast]

Supposedly the front end shape is very functional according to edmunds. It has a pretty sophisticated air induction system.

if by "very functional " you mean a big gaping hole that looks like a smiley face, then yes i agree!!

[mazdaspeed32007]

Other features are well known to sell cars even though they have limited or no real street advantage: rear spoilers (which increase drag) and are active at around highway speeds, side skirts and ground effects prevents lift at highway speeds for sure (which provide no value at street speeds and are mostly good for finding potholes, high parking barriers and extreme speed bumps), blacked out light lenses, hood buldges uhhhh...to fit the motor most of the time, alloy wheels lighter wheel reduces the motors rotating mass and are lighter, chrome trim i like shiney things, black-out trim, ambient interior lighting are you noctournal? its nice to see without having to turn on all your interior lights at times. ie. driving., etc. These are all routinely used to sell cars on appearance, not on function. So what? To each his own.

so a good portion of what you said are functional. if people choose to put parts on that are not aftermarket thats them, but THESE cars, stock, are made with great engineering behind them making a performance monster at an affordable price.

[Sergius64]

Just saw some pics on MazdaRevolution and it seemed horrific and ugly to me, especially considering how pretty the current models are.

Reason I'm posting this here is cause I want to trade in my 2005 Mazda3 S for a Mazdaspeed3 at some point, but with the fronts for these 2010 models I might have to rush and get the 2009 model before I'm finacially ready (uhm)

Do you guys think I should try to save up and get the 09 model since I theoretically still have a year (read somewhere, the 09 model is only going to be made for half a year, BS or no?). Or just wait till I pay off my current Mazda3 and then see about buying a used Mazdaspeed3? Or maybe there will be pretty aftermarket bumpers/grille's for the 2010+ models, and I should just plan on that?

[BlackCherry06]

I don't think anyone can give you objective advice on this. I don't like the grille, but that doesn't mean you won't grow to like it. I'm very polarized about cars' appearance. I either instantly like it, or I never like it.

The Mazdaspeed version may look very similar, so decide now if you can live with that.

I'm anxious to see what improvements appear on the next MS3. More hp is a definite. AWD? Sedan and hatch this time around? LSD? It's always a gamble, so look long and hard at the nose and decide if you may grow to like it.

[mazdaspeed32007]

agreed.

im not a fan of the reg. 3 but you never know what they do with the speed. it could be a whole other ball game. flared fenders? hood scoop? much to decide on. if you wait you could always buy a 07-09. you wont be stuck with one or the other.

[Sergius64]

Ok, thanks for the advice. I think I'll sit on it till Summer, see how its looking then.

[CWPspeed3]

There hasnt been any official announcement that there will even be a 2010 MS3 has there? its probable but it could just be the MPS version and not hit stateside for a while like the focus ST.

[BlackCherry06]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=10&article_id=7207

[peeaanuut]

if the 10 speed3 has a hood scoop, thats an instant deal breaker for me. No upgrade on the car at all.

[BlackCherry06]

I don't understand why they refuse to go with a FMIC.

[peeaanuut]

probably cause they look stupid.

[daonly1around]

why don't you wait to see what they look like. then if you don't like it get a slightly used 08 or 09

[creina1221]

Keep on mind the 07-09 speed Front and rear bumpers are different than the regular 3 bumpers, so there's still hope. I'm personally excited, definitely considering a trade in if the car does become a reality. The new automobile magazine states the speed is inevitable but not yet announced

[cobblepots]

Didn't the current gen Speed3 have a hood scoop during development? Could have sworn Road and Track made a comment about this. Last thing Mazda needs is to have their car looking like a WRX...

[Sport6]

Didn't the current gen Speed3 have a hood scoop during development? Could have sworn Road and Track made a comment about this. Last thing Mazda needs is to have their car looking like a WRX...

Yup I remember that too!

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9588_image.jpg
http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9589_image.jpg
http://img287.echo.cx/img287/9219/mazda3mps0017fe.jpg
http://img287.echo.cx/img287/7845/mazda3mps0027bk.jpg

[Sport6]

But also this is a test mule and it could just be so they get some kind of cooling to the intercooler without fitting a different hood.

The 2011 style looks to have more of a permanent hood scoop, but who knows.

[TommyV]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2008/W43/102420082031563362.jpg

The hood scoop makes me think more Dodge Neon than Subaru. I still think the car will look sweet. It will definitely be on my list in 2010 when I trade in my Speed.

[black_ninja23]

What do I think of the new front fascia of the new mazda3 and possibly the new MS3?

(thumb) I would like to personally thank the designers for such a happy look on a car because it means MY current MS3 still looks better. You see, newer model cars tend to look better than the outgoing model, which usually makes me want to trade in my car for that new look. However, in this case the outgoing model looks WAY better in my humble opinion. Thanks MAZDA!(wiggle)

[NCZ13]

The new model is definitely growing on me. I can imagine the speed3 will look much more aggressive than before.

For those that dont know, that front end gives the mazda3 the lowest drag coefficient at .29 in its class. So it does serve a purpose.

[oaklandopen]

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayUpcomingMazda3_5Door.action

this is the emailed newsletter i just got tonight, don't know if anyone else received this

sooo jealous of push button start, bi-xenon, information display, dual exhaust, trunk release on keyfob, side turn signal moved to mirror

[Bonafide_Spd3]

Hopefully it doesn't look like shit, the new mazda6 looks like a turd. Don't know what they were thinking. Hopefully the new mazdaspeed3 doesn't look like one either

[skylar2ups]

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayUpcomingMazda3_5Door.action

this is the emailed newsletter i just got tonight, don't know if anyone else received this

sooo jealous of push button start, bi-xenon, information display, dual exhaust, trunk release on keyfob, side turn signal moved to mirror
Trunk release on the fob started on the '09 Mazda3.

[Donas64]

Hopefully it doesn't look like shit, the new mazda6 looks like a turd. Don't know what they were thinking. Hopefully the new mazdaspeed3 doesn't look like one either

I tried to fight it but I agree with you. The new 6 is a bulbous mess. People say the old 6 looked generic but I thought (especially in sport trim) that it looked like a proper athletic sport sedan. The new 6 is a bulbous behemoth with a great motor.

The new 3 looks better thus far but I'll have to see one in the skin.

[kneedragger241]

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayUpcomingMazda3_5Door.action

this is the emailed newsletter i just got tonight, don't know if anyone else received this

sooo jealous of push button start, bi-xenon, information display, dual exhaust, trunk release on keyfob, side turn signal moved to mirror

Yeah, I checked out the website too.
Like the dual exhaust and mirror mounted turn signal.
NOT a fan of the front end or the colour. I hope the 2010 Mazdaspeed has a more aggressive front end treatment.

[parkerfe]

I like the car. But, I do not like the dual exhaust...they have no performance value whatsoever and add weight unnecessarily. A four cylinder engine just does not need dual exhaust.

[john blutarski]

I dont think I'll ever get used to the look of the front end.

[oaklandopen]

I like the car. But, I do not like the dual exhaust...they have no performance value whatsoever and add weight unnecessarily. A four cylinder engine just does not need dual exhaust.

of course 4-cyl engines don't need a dual exhaust, but it gives it a more aggressive and sporty look, and gives the back end more asymmetric appeal.

refer to the 5.7gto, dumb gm had true dual exhaust on it, but put both tail pipes out the same side. wtf was that about?

[parkerfe]

of course 4-cyl engines don't need a dual exhaust, but it gives it a more aggressive and sporty look, and gives the back end more asymmetric appeal.

refer to the 5.7gto, dumb gm had true dual exhaust on it, but put both tail pipes out the same side. wtf was that about?

You mean it gives it a more fake look. I like the asymmetrical-functional look...

[will01]

I have a real issue with the more "riced" look that mazda seems to be going in with the new 3speed. Part of the appeal of my 08' is its sleeper look and ability to help me talk out of tickets if and when it happens. Some of these parts may be functional at highway (70+) speed but if they didnt include them on the current model then its obvious that they are not nessary for the car. The hood scoop, larger wing, and dual exhaust screams evo/sti hooligan class of car to the any non enthausist.

Im also going to have an issue if they bump up power while retaining the FWD layout. Anything really 300+ makes little sence in this drivetrain from all the problems inherent in FWD. There are solutions like a swaybar settup and adjustable coilovers etc. but they are only stop gaps for an economy based drivetrain.

If the car is significantly better but they try to "jazz" it up more then im going to have to go the evo/sti smart owner route and order the base trunk and wing from the dealer and put them on my car. The new car looks nice but it just feels...like they are trying to hard to appeal to all the bro's out there. :/

Edit: ill have to get a single exhause pipe as well...duals on a car with a single exhaust bank is simply retarded no matter what anyone says. Its just wrong...and stupid :/

[oaklandopen]

I have a real issue with the more "riced" look that mazda seems to be going in with the new 3speed. Part of the appeal of my 08' is its sleeper look and ability to help me talk out of tickets if and when it happens. Some of these parts may be functional at highway (70+) speed but if they didnt include them on the current model then its obvious that they are not nessary for the car. The hood scoop, larger wing, and dual exhaust screams evo/sti hooligan class of car to the any non enthausist.

Im also going to have an issue if they bump up power while retaining the FWD layout. Anything really 300+ makes little sence in this drivetrain from all the problems inherent in FWD. There are solutions like a swaybar settup and adjustable coilovers etc. but they are only stop gaps for an economy based drivetrain.

Edit: ill have to get a single exhause pipe as well...duals on a car with a single exhaust bank is simply retarded no matter what anyone says. Its just wrong...and stupid :/

im gonna call bs on simply talking your way out of tickets cuz of your car. and the thing that cops first notice anyway (minus the fact that their radar doesn't care what you're in) is something with bright colors that stands out, ie red or yellow.

i don't see how 300hp is that bad on a fwd layout. they allready had the insight to limit boost where wheel spin would be most prevalent, and i know more power would help out in higher speed applications like passing or highway merging when the tires wouldn't break free

and in order to go from dual to single exhaust you would have to also pay out for a new bumper, or else you'd look stupid with a gap on one side where another exhaust pipe used to be

[will01]

im gonna call bs on simply talking your way out of tickets cuz of your car. and the thing that cops first notice anyway (minus the fact that their radar doesn't care what you're in) is something with bright colors that stands out, ie red or yellow.

i don't see how 300hp is that bad on a fwd layout. they allready had the insight to limit boost where wheel spin would be most prevalent, and i know more power would help out in higher speed applications like passing or highway merging when the tires wouldn't break free

and in order to go from dual to single exhaust you would have to also pay out for a new bumper, or else you'd look stupid with a gap on one side where another exhaust pipe used to be

I should of posted this but my car is black, not bright red or yellow again for the sleeper aspect. I can think of at least three situtations where talking to the cop with this car has gotten me either out of tickets or out of jail with an impounded car. Or conversly racing a car and having the more "done up" car pulled over and the cop telling me to leave, no ticket no warning.

Useable +300 wheel horsepower in a fwd car is counterintutive. Even with the boost limiting systemand lsd torque distribution in the 3 i still get torque steer and wheel hop comming off the line in the car, i can only imagine what more power will do. On the highway it makes more sence, i will give you that although i have never had any problems merging or passing in either fifth or sixth gears if thats what your justification is.

Lastly, honestly if you think having a twin tail pipe is better on a single exhaust bank car then having a little dip in the bumper then its just a matter of taste. I would rather be mechanically correct then worry about the "stylez of my ridez". Its like our narrow 18 inch wheels, they fill out the wheel well but a conventional 17 inch wheel would increase contact patch with the road giving it better traction and probably a better ride. :/

[pdqgp]

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayUpcomingMazda3_5Door.action

this is the emailed newsletter i just got tonight, don't know if anyone else received this

sooo jealous of push button start, bi-xenon, information display, dual exhaust, trunk release on keyfob, side turn signal moved to mirror

Looks nice. Doesn't make me jealous though, which I'm selfishly glad about. I like it inside and out, but again, doesn't knock me out in style over what I have. I'm sure if they add some power to the Speed3 version, I will be a tad jealous, but even then, unless they work on getting that power to the ground better, I won't be knocked over about it.

[mazdaspeed32007]

its soooo uh uh uhhhhggglllllyyyyy!!!! **crying**

dual exhayst.....looks good...no function

styling....better aerodynamics...looks like my mexican dinner turd

hood scoop....cools intercooler (no reason for it....why?).....theyve already managed that with the hidden cooling ducts.

im so sad......so so sad. i love my speed 3 so much more next year. lol.

[TRDMS3]

its soooo uh uh uhhhhggglllllyyyyy!!!! **crying**

dual exhayst.....looks good...no function

styling....better aerodynamics...looks like my mexican dinner turd

hood scoop....cools intercooler (no reason for it....why?).....theyve already managed that with the hidden cooling ducts.

im so sad......so so sad. i love my speed 3 so much more next year. lol.

2nd dat (lol)(bow)

[sanblaster]

why is it gotta be a mexican dinner turd? How come it can't be an australian or european, or asian, or canadian turd?

[shadow1077]

Just saw this today regarding new ms3: http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/01/insider-new-mazda3-mps-mazdaspeed3-will.html

I think they might use this engine setup on the ford: http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/01/ford-begins-production-of-300hp-focus.html

[mazdaspeed32007]

why is it gotta be a mexican dinner turd? How come it can't be an australian or european, or asian, or canadian turd?

i guess it could be like....mall asian food turd. those get pretty messy as well. i dont eat much canadian quisine although i cant speak for all. hahahahahaha.

[mazdaspeed32007]

it looks like they forgot to finish the back of the focus. they were like...yea man killer front. lets release it. whoops......

[m5rMS3]

Wow I like that Focus a lot more than the Mazda. If they toned it down a little bit it would be perfect. The interior is perfect too. I think the new 3 hatch looks like a Toyota Matrix that is really happy because it's not really a Toyota Matrix. Now that Ford doesn't own much of Mazda I hope they start to bring cool cars like that here. That is, of course, as long as they don't stick fake chrome and fake vents all over it.

[sunny4201]

that is the ugliest thing i have ever seen. I am embarrassed that i have a mazda logo on my car now. Dammit. I cannot imagine seeing that thing on the street and its gonna read mazda3....people are gonna be like hey, dont you have the 3 (MS3), ill be like shiit yeah... and they'll laugh. DAMMMIITTT

[skylar2ups]

it looks like they forgot to finish the back of the focus. they were like...yea man killer front. lets release it. whoops......
What else could they do to the back?

[mazdaspeed32007]

it looks like an irishman with no chin. the whole development of the forehead is there....the rest just kinda slumps off.

[skylar2ups]

Hahaha okay, I'll give you that.

[blackdragon0731]

im thinking they might hold a year for the next speed3... if thats a test mule, look at the tape covering the rear logos... ours doesnt even have one on the right side, so it looks to me like it says mazda3 mps or mazda axela mps, which means thats not a north american car at all. this is different anyway.. first time the speed edition of a mazda has gone through 2 generations. kinda cool though, i guess... makes me feel cool for having a "first gen" speed3 :)

[ZyrehT]

I hate any car that looks like it's smiling at you.

[ZyrehT]

probably cause they look stupid.

+1

[mazdaspeed32007]

Cheese!!!!!!!!

[bacarl]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2008/W43/102420082031563362.jpg
Remember the camo is there to fool you after all. Just because there's a scoop in the camo doesn't mean there's a scoop in the hood. Look at that big slit above the plate... perfect for letting air in just like the current model does.

[boosted1]

Remember the camo is there to fool you after all. Just because there's a scoop in the camo doesn't mean there's a scoop in the hood. Look at that big slit above the plate... perfect for letting air in just like the current model does.There is a scoop in the hood and the big opening below the hood. The front end is different than the reg 2010 Mazda 3, maybe they are testing an FMIC, also. The camo is there to hides the body contours.

[Smokehouse]

What do I think of the new front fascia of the new mazda3 and possibly the new MS3?

(thumb) I would like to personally thank the designers for such a happy look on a car because it means MY current MS3 still looks better. You see, newer model cars tend to look better than the outgoing model, which usually makes me want to trade in my car for that new look. However, in this case the outgoing model looks WAY better in my humble opinion. Thanks MAZDA!(wiggle)

I agree 100%. Having just bought my MS3 I was worried I'd like the new one better but nope...don't like the new "happy face" one bit. I'll wait to see if they do bring out a new MS3 and if I'll trade for one eventually but not if it's fugly.



On a side note, I owned a 2002 Protege5 when they introduced the 3...at the time I really like the three...(little info on my personal likes)

[mazdaspeed32007]

I agree 100%. Having just bought my MS3 I was worried I'd like the new one better but nope...don't like the new "happy face" one bit. I'll wait to see if they do bring out a new MS3 and if I'll trade for one eventually but not if it's fugly.



On a side note, I owned a 2002 Protege5 when they introduced the 3...at the time I really like the three...(little info on my personal likes)

WHO CARES! lol. jk. i agree totally. im in no hurry to trade my ms3 in on the basis of the new 3

[Smokehouse]

WHO CARES! lol. jk. i agree totally. im in no hurry to trade my ms3 in on the basis of the new 3

I will say...If Mazda chucked in more HP, AWD and a sub $30K tag, I'd be pretty tempted to go the the new MS3 in the next few years.

[sjdmp5]

Mazda Motor Corporation will debut two new models of the all-new Mazda3 (known as Mazda Axela in Japan) product range at the 2009 Geneva International Motor Show from March 3 through 15, 2009. The world premiere of the Mazda3 with i-stop, Mazda’s advanced fuel-saving start-stop system, will be shared with the all-new Mazda3 MPS, Mazda3’s high performance flagship model. The Mazda3 MPS (Mazdaspeed Axela, Mazdaspeed3) now features improved fuel economy and emissions that satisfy Euro Stage 5.

Mazda3 i-stop
The Mazda3 is one of Mazda’s core products, with more than two million units of the first generation produced. The design of the new model has a bolder and more dynamic stance; it is agile and confidence-inspiring, enhancing the sense of oneness between the driver and car. It also has high environmental and safety performance levels, exemplifying Mazda’s Sustainable Zoom-Zoom long-term vision to provide cars that are eco-friendly and safe while still being fun to drive.

The Mazda3 with i-stop embodies Sustainable Zoom-Zoom and adds a new eco-friendly option to the lineup. It features the i-stop system in combination with the MZR 2.0 DISI (Direct Injection Spark Ignition) engine. Together, these two Mazda proprietary technologies help the new model achieve approximately 12 percent lower fuel consumption (urban cycle) than the current European Mazda3. By providing great driving performance as well as top-class fuel economy, the Mazda3 with i-stop is a different type of eco-car that will exceed customer expectations.

Mazda3 MPS
The Mazda3 MPS sport compact pushes Mazda design further and its exciting driving performance perfectly represents Mazda’s Zoom-Zoom spirit. Carrying forward the MZR 2.3 DISI Turbo engine, Mazda3 MPS builds on the popularity and recognition of the previous model. It evolves the driving experience to an entirely new level of quality and pleasure with its emotional design and exhilarating performance.

The all-new Mazda3 Program Manager, Yoshiyuki Maeda, says, “These two models add extra value to an all-new Mazda3 lineup that has already shown strong appeal. The new Mazda3 series takes a significant step ahead in both the realms of driving performance and environmental technology to lead the way toward a new generation of motoring.”

[SHAGwagn]

thanks for the great reading and info....but boy did they fuck that car up. I really like the back...but the front...can someone say cheeeeseeeeeeeee!

[LASERBLUE135]

Well they put on some decent rims, which is nice. They put dual exhaust on, which is really dumb. I kinda like the hood scoop. The smile is......silly at best. I'm interested to see what the tires are (width), and performance stats. I'd drive a dog if it runs like a greyhound.

[Moonpie.Express]

No likey.

[15min5k]

lol!

[stevekt]

It's nice to know that there actually is a new MS3 coming. Is it confirmed to sell in the US?

[acidbbg]

That front end is fugly.

I wonder why they decided to re-use the 2.3L when they have the new 2.5L.

I bet they use the same k04 turbo.

-c

[GoFast]

something tells me that I am going to like it in person.

[Donas64]

It looks bearable in the speed version. They used some plastic trickery to try and break up the gaping maw. I'd buy one even if the looks still irk me a little. I would not buy the non-speed version though.

[chief_wiggum]

Here's a short video promo -- I'm glad I have the current version.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/geneva/2009/2010mazdaspeed3teaservideonews.html?tid=edmunds.il .home.photopanel..1.*

[Silver Ecstasy]

I would get used to the exterior, but the interior felt overwhelming. I wonder how much of the mods will transfer? (MM, SS, Intake?) Since they're really only exterior changes while the underbody is supposed to be similiar to identical to ours.

[Sport6]

Yah I like the rear. The wheels just look like bigger snowflakes... I think it lost its aggressive front end.... Maybe by a long shot that hood is the exact same as ours and we can fit it on ours instead. Though I have never replaced bumpers on cars before because usually the aftermarket is worse but if I were to live with it I would consider changing the front bumper.

Or maybe I'll convince my wife to get it instead, she seems to like the styling because she likes the happy faced cars.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Sport, I personally don't think the hood will fit. The headlights are shaped a little different, and I think that contributes to the overall shape of the hood being different. I could be wrong though. If you can get past the slap-happy smile in the front, it actually looks pretty aggressive with the lines of the headlights and front shoulders (in that head on shot, #2 of the 3 pictures).

[Hank3]

Is that a keyhole on the rear hatch? And what's up with the exhaust tips not having any soot on it? Must be photshopped - LOL

[Silver Ecstasy]

No, that is not a keyhole. It's an electronic trunk release build into the center. They also embedded a trunk lock button into the taillight. (I played around with the buttons and stuff at the Detroit NAIAS this year).

[Hank3]

Oh cool. It'll save the fans of the no side moldings some time. Are the mirror blinkers LEDs? I'm assuming so.

[Silver Ecstasy]

And the Bose subwoofer got moved to a compact one that fits ontop of the spare tire. Overall, good improvements. You just have to deal with that :) in the front.

[ragindark]

Don't blink or you will miss it!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP-pACY0Qgw&fmt=18

[Moonpie.Express]

it is kinda quick.
I just do not like the "morphing into an RX-8" front end.

[squidmotion]

...can someone say cheeeeseeeeeeeee!


i'll say it... because that front end picture is screaming it...




CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!



crap.. i thought my '09 was smiling at me too much (that's why i don't want to put on my front plate.. give it a 'bucktooth' look) .. that '10 model is almost like a sadistic clown smile or something... make the headlights look meaner and you have something.. .


(evil)

[Kindred]

I wonder how many new "OMG LOOK! Pics of the 2010 MS3!" threads there'll be at the end of the day?

[squidmotion]

how about this...

we add some headlight lids... or whatever they are called... then add some really mean looking teeth...

[daonly1around]

i liked the little bit that you could see in the teaser vid

[chief_wiggum]

how about this...

we add some headlight lids... or whatever they are called... then add some really mean looking teeth...

brilliant

[SleepyMSP]

someone needs to start designing a new front end for that car...after that Its good for me

[DaleNixon]

The mouth is pretty weird. I think it'll grow on me. I'm glad Mazda didn't just sex up the current model making us all feel jealous.

You've gotta at least hand Mazda that. When they refresh a car, they make it a whole new car.

[DaleNixon]

how about this...

we add some headlight lids... or whatever they are called... then add some really mean looking teeth...

Now to figure out a way to turn that smile into a frown!

[daonly1around]

i can see a HUGE aftermarket area for lower grille replacements

[stageup]

thanks mazda for keeping the same motor, now i won't need to trade my 08 in for the 2010 model :)

i think ours look way better, that smiling front end is ugly. the only thing i would want is the hood scoop but eventually i'll go fmic so it's pointless anyways

[Sport6]

thanks mazda for keeping the same motor, now i won't need to trade my 08 in for the 2010 model :)

i think ours look way better, that smiling front end is ugly. the only thing i would want is the hood scoop but eventually i'll go fmic so it's pointless anyways

It will improve our aftermarket options as well.

[stageup]

if i can just get the s2k bug out of my head, since 09 will be the final production run, i've been tempted to see what kinda prices i can get.
i was so dead set on trading up for the 2010 ms3 when the 300hp and awd rumors were floating around...

[Sport6]

awd rumors always float around.. They were there for this MS3 as well. But it would have brought the price up quite a bit to start.

But as far as the s2000, I don't think you will find a better than average price on one because people will snatch them up since its the last time they can get them.

[leadf00t]

Sweeeet !!!!

[essejkcamraw]

so glad i got my 09. back looks good (still like the current rear end better) but my god that front end is terrible. im not into the fogs either. to me the current models look mean up front.

[Sport6]

I like the lower lines on the doors, that's a nice improvement.

[Je5ter]

LOL I think in person the front end might not be "that" bad. I really like the rest of it though.. I'll reserve my judgment till person :P

[ReadS13]

I can only sum up the front of it in one phrase.....Angry clown face

[stageup]

heh exhausts systems are gonna go up in price since it's dual tipped now

[leadf00t]

That front end has got to be the worst front I've ever seen. looks like a close cousin to a dodge neon. I really like the hood scoop, but it takes away the sleeper look we have now. You wont confuse it with a regular 3 thats for sure. It will be interesting to see how the HP numbers turn out, and if they're only increased because of the hood scoop. I wonder if the boost levels will remain the same.

Arent those the same wheels that come on the 08-09 Rx8's ?

[DaleNixon]

thanks mazda for keeping the same motor, now i won't need to trade my 08 in for the 2010 model :)

i think ours look way better, that smiling front end is ugly. the only thing i would want is the hood scoop but eventually i'll go fmic so it's pointless anyways

Is it confirmed that the 2010 has the same motor as ours?

[stageup]

Is it confirmed that the 2010 has the same motor as ours?

http://www.motorauthority.com/2010-mazda3-mazdaspeed-mps-debuts-in-geneva.html

Details about the upcoming hot-hatch are yet to be released, although we can confirm that it will come with the same MZR 2.3L turbocharged four-cylinder petrol engine as the current model. Output is expected to be up around the 268hp (200kW) mark.


looks like a few horses more, probably due to the scoop (nailbyt)

[240ka]

i guess my tech at mazda was wrong about the Mazdaspeed 5 coming out before the new MS3.

i guess he was wrong, i was right. and this car is still ugly. Im perfectly happy with my 09

[DaleNixon]

And that mouth breathing front end. I'm selfishly happy that it has the same powerplant.

[stageup]

wtf thread merge

[leadf00t]

http://www.motorauthority.com/2010-mazda3-mazdaspeed-mps-debuts-in-geneva.html

Details about the upcoming hot-hatch are yet to be released, although we can confirm that it will come with the same MZR 2.3L turbocharged four-cylinder petrol engine as the current model. Output is expected to be up around the 268hp (200kW) mark.


looks like a few horses more, probably due to the scoop (nailbyt)

Only 5 more with a hood scoop. I wonder if their using the same crappy IC we have ? I cant wait to get my tmic & cai on, and leave one of these wondering what the hell just happened !!

[leadf00t]

And that mouth breathing front end. I'm selfishly happy that it has the same powerplant.

Me too !!!

[15min5k]

It's really not bad but from what I've seen from an appearance standpoint I prefer my 08. I'm glad they didn't put a 5cyl eng in it, those sound like shit. There's a good reason the large majority of vehicles come equipped with even # cylinders.

[oldnotdead]

The Inside Line web site posted a "teaser" video of the 2010 MS3 this morning. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/geneva/2009/2010mazdaspeed3teaservideonews.html

It does allow you to see some of the details.

[VermZ06]

Get black and the smile won't be as noticeable imo. I don't think the power output will be the same as the current model especially since the new Golf R will have 270hp. Look for the speed to have closer to 300 and a bit up on torque, and I pray for the revoknuckle...

[EngulfinFlames]

I'm only 5 hours from geneva....might just have to pay a visit come march 5th. Depending on numbers, might end up trading in. gotta see more of that body tho.

[skylar2ups]

When this does go on sale and the people join this forum and they love their cars and they think they look good. (I think it looks good.) Are you guys going to keep talking about how bad the '10 3's look? The P5 and Speed P owners on here don't talk about the 3's and Speed 3's.

Cars have to move on.

[ohhryan]

http://www.motorauthority.com/2010-mazda3-mazdaspeed-mps-debuts-in-geneva.html

Details about the upcoming hot-hatch are yet to be released, although we can confirm that it will come with the same MZR 2.3L turbocharged four-cylinder petrol engine as the current model. Output is expected to be up around the 268hp (200kW) mark.


looks like a few horses more, probably due to the scoop (nailbyt)

The blue hatch in that link appears to have a turbo diesel (guessing on the diesel) motor in it. Take a look at the maze of piping for the intake and intercooler down in front of the driver side wheel.

[CWPspeed3]

Good to hear something officially announced. I'm sure it will grow on me but the smile and hood scoop look retarded.

[turbos3]

I may have to make a little trade myself. i love the new rear.

[LazerBlueP5]

The front fascia and looks ridiculous. :(

[leadf00t]

When this does go on sale and the people join this forum and they love their cars and they think they look good. (I think it looks good.) Are you guys going to keep talking about how bad the '10 3's look? The P5 and Speed P owners on here don't talk about the 3's and Speed 3's.

Cars have to move on.

I will welcome them to the forums, like everyone else. Although I cant help but think that when they ask what's the first mod they should do to their car. They're going to get a lot of replies for New Front End followed by the usual bpv, cai etc !!!!

[TRDMS3]

The front fascia and looks ridiculous. :(

indeed: dam I love my 1st generation even more. Mazda should adopt a second name from now on: "Happy Mazda" (pukey)

now that the bra is off (spy shots) lol unfortunately the front end is yet to grow on me, just cant accept the "smiling" grill, (puke)

we're this close to having the new engine specs officially revealed...

[240ka]

When this does go on sale and the people join this forum and they love their cars and they think they look good. (I think it looks good.) Are you guys going to keep talking about how bad the '10 3's look? The P5 and Speed P owners on here don't talk about the 3's and Speed 3's.

Cars have to move on.

nope, b/c their cars will be like redheaded step children. we know they are ugly but accept them at arms length.

i will have gotten all of my "ragging" on the 2010 MS3 out of my system by then so no beef from me telling me their car is ugly.

they are apart of the botherhood/sisterhood and fully welcomed

[240ka]

I will welcome them to the forums, like everyone else. Although I cant help but think that when they ask what's the first mod they should do to their car. They're going to get a lot of replies for New Front End followed by the usual bpv, cai etc !!!!

the sucky thing is that if an aftermarket front end like the concept MS6 is made, i will prolly be pissed b/c the car will look really good with that front end

hopefully not though(lol2)

[eg6motion]

I can accept the grill, just not the huge ass...that bumper blending into the side of the car is nasty

[15min5k]

Get black and the smile won't be as noticeable imo. I don't think the power output will be the same as the current model especially since the new Golf R will have 270hp. Look for the speed to have closer to 300 and a bit up on torque, and I pray for the revoknuckle...

The New Golf R will also be AWD and be in the EVO/STI price range if not a bit more therefore putting it in a different class. It's basically going to be a more powerfull R32, think about it..

I highly doubt the new MS3 will have 300hp and more TQ. It's still FWD and power was never an issue to begin with. If anything performance wise needed some attention it would be the suspension albeit slightly.

[TRDMS3]

I can accept the grill, just not the huge ass...that bumper blending into the side of the car is nasty

lol just noticed this too, basically my conclusion is the overall design is horrible!!! Must see the new engine specs to make up for it (argh) (boom07)

[Olestra]

i can see a HUGE aftermarket area for lower grille replacements

And it will be a huge rice mod because R&D went into the front grille to make it very functional. Likely an aftermarket grille will decrease performance even though it may look good.

[EngulfinFlames]

Driver side front bumper (end of the grin) looks like a small MPS emblem. nice little touch. I just want to see this thing in person. Cant wait to see the numbers so bad.

[CWPspeed3]

It did say the 2.3L so I dont know how much more they are going to pump out of that unless they do a different turbo setup, the dual exhaust wont add much.

[Omar MSP]

im not liking the front end, reminds me of the movie Cars.

[AWDthis]

Looks decent enough, Ill get one if they make it RWD or AWD...If it stays FWD and that ugly theyd have to put a hell of an engine on it not to make me go for a WRX in 2010.

[ymic]

I don't know. The front end is questionable... the rear end however I LOVE. Depending on several factors, I might upgrade in 2010 (2thumbs)

[240ka]

And it will be a huge rice mod because R&D went into the front grille to make it very functional. Likely an aftermarket grille will decrease performance even though it may look good.

im all about function over form. but it has a hood scoop.

id gladly "rice" the car up for a better frront end

[leadf00t]

im all about function over form. but it has a hood scoop.

id gladly "rice" the car up for a better frront end

You'd have to work pretty hard to make it any worse.

[Sergius64]

Well, that settles it, I'll be getting the 09 version.

[VermZ06]

The New Golf R will also be AWD and be in the EVO/STI price range if not a bit more therefore putting it in a different class. It's basically going to be a more powerfull R32, think about it..

I highly doubt the new MS3 will have 300hp and more TQ. It's still FWD and power was never an issue to begin with. If anything performance wise needed some attention it would be the suspension albeit slightly.

Hmmm I didn't realize the golf R was going to be awd, i thought VW was having problems because of the weight of the awd system in the current R and it wasn't a much better performer than the standard GTI. Oh well. Back to the MS3...

[parkerfe]

While I could live with the happy front end, why two tail pipes on an I-4 engine? One tail pipe is plenty! What's next, two door handles per door...

[GoFast]

While I could live with the happy front end, why two tail pipes on an I-4 engine? One tail pipe is plenty! What's next, two door handles per door...

balance

[Sergius64]

Well, looks like 2010 MS3's front doesn't look any better then 2010 Mazda3's front. I dunno what they were thinking, it's like taking a Cute girl and letting Joker at her with his razor.

Well, at least that means I don't have to wait, I'll be getting 09 version this month prolly.

[mazdaspeed32007]

When this does go on sale and the people join this forum and they love their cars and they think they look good. (I think it looks good.) Are you guys going to keep talking about how bad the '10 3's look? The P5 and Speed P owners on here don't talk about the 3's and Speed 3's.

Cars have to move on.

we bash it now...when someone comes on most of us will help out and support. its all in due time. until then....DOWN WITH THE SMILEY FACE! lol.

[Fenrir]

It looks better in person than in pictures.

[AWDthis]

While I could live with the happy front end, why two tail pipes on an I-4 engine? One tail pipe is plenty! What's next, two door handles per door...

I dont think its a true double pipe...its probably one pipe that splits near the back for aesthetics

[Sport6]

I wonder, since it is using the same engine, at least in rumor, think they beefed up the mounts?

Redesigning the entire car is unlikely so the frame rails would likely be the same. Might be able to swap those out to the sub 2010 models if they have been beefed up.

[MOCA]

The All-New MAZDASPEED3 will deubut this march. A fresh new look is the main change, but sticks to the zoom-zoom spirit.


To Read The Full Article Click Here (http://www.mazdaoca.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=1)

[Sport6]

Thanks man, theres a few other threads about that today. I know it doesnt look like it but they keep getting merged into the 2010 Mazda 3 thread.

[CWPspeed3]

I dont think its a true double pipe...its probably one pipe that splits near the back for aesthetics

Yeah to make aftermarket exhaust cost way more too...

[skylar2ups]

we bash it now...when someone comes on most of us will help out and support. its all in due time. until then....DOWN WITH THE SMILEY FACE! lol.
Hahahahah

Well I know the 6 owners were not as nice as you all plan on being.
When the new gen 6 owners started showing up the old gen 6 owners were not very welcoming...
Just making sure we all are were for the love of Zoom-Zooming.

[Sport6]

Hahahahah

Well I know the 6 owners were not as nice as you all plan on being.
When the new gen 6 owners started showing up the old gen 6 owners were not very welcoming...
Just making sure we all are were for the love of Zoom-Zooming.

The biggest annoyance was when they changed 6club around to fit the 2nd gen stuff! Hope that doesnt happen here! 2nd gen go somewhere else!! (blowup)

previous car was a 2003 6s.

[DaleNixon]

Yea but now we can be all retro!

[skylar2ups]

The biggest annoyance was when they changed 6club around to fit the 2nd gen stuff! Hope that doesnt happen here! 2nd gen go somewhere else!! (blowup)

previous car was a 2003 6s.
I see where you're comming from.

[240ka]

nah, it was simply stated that the look of front end is due to functionality. which i dont believe one bit. the damn hood has a hood scoop(intercooler getting cooled pretty well)

and that front end doesnt look like its creating anytype of down force or anything.

but he was trying to say, changing the front to something better looking is a "rice" move which i disagree with totally

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

im sorry but i really like it and it looks like ill be waiting for that one rather than getting an 1st get when i get the finances

[Circle9]

Any estimates on power output for the new Speed?

[boosted1]

Any estimates on power output for the new Speed?My guess would be 275-280 hp and close to 300 ft/lbs. torque. I think the turbo may be new and doesn't run out of steam at 5500 rpm.

[clos561]

the article states that the car wil have the same 2.3 liter engine, stats will be the same the car is just geting a make over, along with i-stop technology which is supposed to increase fuel economy

[john blutarski]

the article states that the car wil have the same 2.3 liter engine, stats will be the same the car is just geting a make over, along with i-stop technology which is supposed to increase fuel economy

Well hopefully they replace the garbage smokey turbo

[kelvincko]

Just saw this:

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/auto_shows/2009_geneva_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2010_mazdaspeed_3_auto_shows

[UHATEIT]

I can see why they are making the new speed 3 front end to look like that. Comes with the current trand and change in auto styling, tho it looks like shit anyways.

We should all be happy the new one looks ugly as hell, It will help us want to keep our current car and not trade it in to get even further into debt. It's good justification to stay with the car we already have.

[NCZ13]

aw wtf.

same engine?


The looks will probably grow on me.

[RODSCALIP5]

I love the front end, looks like the Furai.......Im sure Autoexe will make it look even better....

[240ka]

if the looks grow on me, it will be more like a fugus or rash. something ill need the doc to help me get rid of.

this car is hideous. the shot of the car in this article looks like Nemo but Syler from "heroes" cut his forehead open to get his brains

such a terrible design.

[speed3guy]

Im hoping what happened with the new WRX and STI will happen with this car for me! At first I thought the WRX was the most hideous thing ever and now I kinda actually want one. So who knows. Im sure there will be a crap load of aftermarket options for the grille or bumper since everyone seems to hate it. The interior looks extremely cheap to me! Like it came out of a honda civic almost.

[lasermp5]

For The Loose.

That new style barely works on the rx8. It simply looks ridiculous on the new 3 standard model, let alone a ms3. Wrong way to go imo. But as mentioned above, maybe there will be some 1/2 decent aftermarket alternatives for the new look. Then again....

[Circle9]

Same engine is a no-go for me. I was only going to get it if it was pushing 300 hp like some thought it would. It probably weighs more than our current models, so it may even be a little slower.

[Circle9]

Yea, an article states the same power output for the 2010 Speed3.

[DaleNixon]

I wonder what kind of motor mounts it's gonna use. And I wonder what parts we can use from it!

[pdqgp]

Same engine is a no-go for me. I was only going to get it if it was pushing 300 hp like some thought it would. It probably weighs more than our current models, so it may even be a little slower.

IMO any more power wouldn't necessarily make it more fun to drive every day. Not unless they work on the delivery to the pavement.

IMO, the interior is an improvement and an nice update. I like my current car, but the inside of the new one definitely makes it look updated.

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2009_geneva_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2010_mazdaspeed_3_auto_shows/2010_mazdaspeed_3/maz3_10_28/1964702-1-eng-US/maz3_10_28_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2009_geneva_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2010_mazdaspeed_3_auto_shows/2010_mazdaspeed_3/mazspe3_09_11/1964534-1-eng-US/mazspe3_09_11_gallery_image_large.jpg

I also don't mind the look of the new stock Speed wheels. If they are lower in lbs, I might just keep my eyes out for a set :)

[benben84]

someone at Mazda has been looking at 08 STi pictures too much...

I like it, very aggressive which will help compensate for driving a wagon :)