Traded my 08 Mazdaspeed 3 in this past weekend

[LazerBlueP5]

Well I finally traded my Mazdaspeed 3 in this past weekend, for a 2005 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6. The car is practically mint, w/ 12k miles and sold for 19k. Not to bad considering they sold for over 45k new a few years back. I'm sure not many on here would be fans of this car as it's 1) a Chrysler and 2) Only available in auto in the SRT trim.

It's got the German Built AMG SLK32 engine which is a supercharged 3.2L 6. 330hp/320ft/lbs of torque stock. After doing some minor research I found it can hit the low 12's consistantly with 4 mods (Pulley upgrade, intake, chip, and exhaust) which yeild it over 420hp/400ft/lbs at the rear wheels. I even saw one run a 12.1 at the local (Atco raceway) track here a few months back.

I didn't trade the Mazdaspeed3 in because I didn't like it- it was indeed a great vehicle. Coming from previous cars such as a 2005 STi my biggest complaint is the FWD configuration, and it's funky transmission (occasionally 3rd wouldn't exist- though that can be chalked up as driver error).

I've been to Mazda and back a few times- I joined way back when I got a Protege5, then was away for a while when I traded it for an STi, then like 3 cars in between before coming back to Mazda with the Speed3. I may be back someday- though I have my eye on getting a late model Z06 in the next 5 years. I've found a few with low miles in the 48-49k range (that's my ultimate semi-dream sports car considering dealers aren't selling the GTR for under 90k and Porsches are over 100k.

Anyway good luck everyone with their MS3's! Don't take any crap from those SRT-4s, and Cobalt SS's. ;)

Btw, anyone know if my Dashhawk will work with the Crossfire SRT-6? Also I have a fresh set of 18" MS3 stock rims for sale now (I was going to put winter tires on them but never did).

http://www.msprotege.com/members/LazerBlueP5/srt-6.jpg

[boostdog]

very nice man! my dad almost bought one this past year...went the a msmiata instead...strangely enough it's forsale again locally at the same dealer....get this....you think you got a good deal...it's an 04 ( i believe ) hardtop 28k miles...they want 14.5 for it....lol...if i had the $$ now i'd be all over it!

[susamafone]

awesome car man

[///M Compact]

Very, VERY, nice! I don't know what I'm going to get to replace my MS3; I've been looking at everything from a 2003 Z06 to a 2008 Mustang Bullitt to an E46 M3. I'm also thinking I might wait six months or so and pick up a 135i coming off lease.

[boostdog]

i vote for the 1 series....if it's turbo...things can be made wicked for very little $$.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Wow...people are talkin about jumpin ship left and right.

Congrats and good luck. Blindspots FTL.

[GoFast]

thats quite a change. good luck and enjoy

[mdavis]

Blindspots FTL.

(thumb)

[Silver Ecstasy]

http://teachmefinance.com/Statistics/Fuel_Mileage/2004/2004%20CHRYSLER%20CROSSFIRE.JPG

[LazerBlueP5]

Yeah Silver isn't kidding. Rearward visibility stinks- the SRT-6 is even worse with the whale fin in the back. However on the other side of the coin it pulls much harder than my MS3 ever did and it's stock. There's a guy in my area running 11.8 with pulley, intake, and tune. No meth or slicks etc. It's pretty remarkable!

[Circle9]

What did you get for trade in on your MS3?

[Silver Ecstasy]

Yeah Silver isn't kidding. Rearward visibility stinks- the SRT-6 is even worse with the whale fin in the back. However on the other side of the coin it pulls much harder than my MS3 ever did and it's stock. There's a guy in my area running 11.8 with pulley, intake, and tune. No meth or slicks etc. It's pretty remarkable!

I'd hope the SRT6 pulls harder..especially for the price tag when it was introduced:

$45K (omg)
http://www.rsportscars.com/chrysler/2005-chrysler-crossfire-srt-6/

Plus it carries 3 less passengers (entire rear backseat), shorter wheel base and more hp/torque.

05 SRT6 $45k (MSRP)
330hp / 310 ft-lbs
3240lb Curb Weight
94.5" Wheelbase

07-09 MS3 $25k (MSRP)
260hp / 280 ft-lbs
3153lb Curb Weight
103.9" Wheelbase

If all you're lookin for is a race car, SRT6 all the way. But for double the price, at it's time, there's a reason it didn't sell well. Just like the Cadillac V-series costing a whopping $20k-$40k more than the starting MSRP's of the car. $110k for a XLR-V ROFLMAO. No thanks, i'd take an exotic over that EASY. Oh..and the SRT6 only came in Automatic trans only.

I'd buy a used 06 GTO and let 'er RIP!!!!

[///M Compact]

i vote for the 1 series....if it's turbo...things can be made wicked for very little $$.

I know; Dinan and Turner have Stage 1 re-maps that make 360 hp and 370 lb.ft. The Dinan Stage 2 numbers are 384/421. The only other thing I'd have to add is a limited-slip diff.

[essejkcamraw]

i was always REALLY into the crossfires when they first came out. and prolly 3 years ago ALMOST got the srt-6. if only that car came with a manual gearbox itd be nuts. still would be nice to have that power by just stomping your foot to the floor haha. congrats on the car man.

[builthatch]

I'm sure not many on here would be fans of this car as it's 1) a Chrysler and 2) Only available in auto in the SRT trim 3) because it's uglier than Jocelyn Wildenstein doused in makeup remover


fixed!

hey good luck glen. it's ok, because i know you'll be out of this car in no time too ; )

BTW, where is the engine mount and shifter from your MS3!? hehe

[shane02pro5]

I would've never guessed those cars could be that fast!

They are nice but the first thing would be removing those huge front and rear badges and all the little cromey bits that belong on an old riced out buick!

[LazerBlueP5]

I'd hope the SRT6 pulls harder..especially for the price tag when it was introduced:

$45K (omg)
http://www.rsportscars.com/chrysler/2005-chrysler-crossfire-srt-6/

And that's precisely one of the reasons why it's such a bargain at 19k w/ 12,000 miles!

Plus it carries 3 less passengers (entire rear backseat), shorter wheel base and more hp/torque.

05 SRT6 $45k (MSRP)
330hp / 310 ft-lbs
3240lb Curb Weight
94.5" Wheelbase

07-09 MS3 $25k (MSRP)
260hp / 280 ft-lbs
3153lb Curb Weight
103.9" Wheelbase

Actually, while the hp/tq were advertised as 330/310 ft-lbs. Those performance numbers were later found to be false. It is believed that Daimler-Chrysler did not want the performance of the Crossfire to appear to be equivalent of the 2004 Mercedes SLK32 AMG, which sports the same engine, especially when the Mercedes cost several thousand dollars more. The specifications for the SRT-6 were found to match the 2004 SLK32 AMG at 349 hp and 332 ft-lbs of torque.

If all you're lookin for is a race car, SRT6 all the way. But for double the price, at it's time, there's a reason it didn't sell well. Just like the Cadillac V-series costing a whopping $20k-$40k more than the starting MSRP's of the car. $110k for a XLR-V ROFLMAO.
Totally agree- but once you factor it with a pricetag less than 1/2 the original MSRP, the perspective changes quite a bit. :)

I'd buy a used 06 GTO and let 'er RIP!!!!
Yeah the GTO is another bargain- however it's a trade off- sure the GTO has rear seats but the Crossfire will eat the GTO's lunch at a track. Plus the Supercharger setup of the Crossfire awards it some really great gains with minor aftermarket add-ons. Pulleys, intake, and a chip will have it in the LOW 12's. I'm not quite sure it would be that easy for the GTO.

[LazerBlueP5]

What did you get for trade in on your MS3?

I was going to trade it for an SRT-6 a while back at a local Car Sense (local used car chain) but didn't because of the abysmal trade in they offered me.

I got 17k flat for the trade. It was a 2008 GT w/ 4,900 miles in absolute PERFECT condition- not a singe scratch or ding on it. According to KBB it's worth 18,200 for trade. Of course dealers never want to give you what it's worth, at least in regards to KBB. They use trades as leverage to make more money out of the deal. The only reason why I did it now as opposed to earlier is because I actually had about 2,600 positive equity in the MS3 because I've been paying over my monthly payment towards the principal.

At first the salesman came back and as quickly as an auctioneer ripped through some numbers and ended the sentence with my monthly payment. I said, "Wait a minute- tell me the actual numbers, how much are you giving me for my MS3". He responded, "14k". I was insulted and started to get up to leave. Car dealers/salesmen are scum of the earth man, absolute snakes- they will try to rape you any chance they get. When they saw my reaction they knew I wasn't an idiot and going to be fooled by the vacillation on monthly payment all the while skewing the numbers HEAVILY in their profitable favor.

[arkenzo]

Wow...people are talkin about jumpin ship left and right.

Congrats and good luck. Blindspots FTL.

is there a problem with that? people buy a trade cars after 1-2years all the time..

[ZyrehT]

Nice car but where exactly does it "eat the GTO's lunch".

[ZyrehT]

is there a problem with that? people buy a trade cars after 1-2years all the time..

Nobody I know other than folks on here.

[LazerBlueP5]

Nice car but where exactly does it "eat the GTO's lunch".

"At the track" (ie turns). .90g skidpad/67mph slalom

[builthatch]

Nobody I know other than folks on here.

nah...sometimes it's the smart thing to do. it happens everywhere.

my wife gets a car. she finances it for 5 years. she typically will drive it about two years or so, at which time it typically has about 35k. works out great as most bumper to bumpers expire s00n.

when she trades the car into our broker, her payout is usually lower than what he offers. the extra money goes into the next car as a down payment.

she's done this since about 2003 and it's worked like a charm each time. she has yet to lose a dime, in fact, it works out totally in her favor because the financed principal is lower than what everyone else pays for each car when new because she is getting 'credit' from the previous car.

the reason it works is because she gets the right cars for it to work. in her case, up to this point, it's been almost exclusively 'performance' version hondas, like, si's, save two GTI's early on, but even with those it worked out because she sold a 337 GTI for more than the broker bought it for to resell to her.

whheeeeew...ok, i'm done.

the main point is to make sure you either pay extra if possible, and try to get a car that doesn't take a huge hit from new.

an MS3 is a good car for this type of deal. you get it for 24 or so if it's a GT, and when it's time to unload it after 2 years or so, the payout SHOULD be less than what a reasonable broker will pay for it as long as you hammered down the principal by paying over your payment.

examples of cars like that are g35 and possibly the g37 (unsure), pretty much all american cars, porsche cayenne, umm, there are some others that get hammered pretty hard, hammed s0 hard that you'd either have to pay outrageous payments to overcome the hit it takes in 2 years or you'd have to put a crap load down, but then you are not giving yourself any advantage because the car is still not worth much in that short 2 year span.

[PCspeed3]

very nice, If i got a 2 seater it would be S2K with a turbo kit, those suckas flyyy.

[CrazyT]

very nice, If i got a 2 seater it would be S2K with a turbo kit, those suckas flyyy.

Didn't we just have a thread on this?

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123729141

:)

[UHATEIT]

I was going to trade it for an SRT-6 a while back at a local Car Sense (local used car chain) but didn't because of the abysmal trade in they offered me.

I got 17k flat for the trade. It was a 2008 GT w/ 4,900 miles in absolute PERFECT condition- not a singe scratch or ding on it. According to KBB it's worth 18,200 for trade. Of course dealers never want to give you what it's worth, at least in regards to KBB. They use trades as leverage to make more money out of the deal. The only reason why I did it now as opposed to earlier is because I actually had about 2,600 positive equity in the MS3 because I've been paying over my monthly payment towards the principal.

At first the salesman came back and as quickly as an auctioneer ripped through some numbers and ended the sentence with my monthly payment. I said, "Wait a minute- tell me the actual numbers, how much are you giving me for my MS3". He responded, "14k". I was insulted and started to get up to leave. Car dealers/salesmen are scum of the earth man, absolute snakes- they will try to rape you any chance they get. When they saw my reaction they knew I wasn't an idiot and going to be fooled by the vacillation on monthly payment all the while skewing the numbers HEAVILY in their profitable favor.


holy shit only 17K for your car? damn man, I know some interested buyer would easily have paid at least 20 for that, and it was the gt too!

[Silver Ecstasy]

is there a problem with that? people buy a trade cars after 1-2years all the time..
I guess I do have a problem with that, when it's so far been people who have absolutely NO problems with the car, and literally seem to just get "bored" or feel like the car isn't a potential trailer-queen so they get bummed out and go somewhere else. I just find it really foolish especially in a tough economy with money hard to come by and all we can think about is spend, spend, spend. People are pretty less fortunate than we are, to be driving or owning what we do now a days.. Having a fast, reliable car is pretty awesome. I love my MS3. I love all cars really, and like someone said, at $19k that's actually a STEAL!

No judgements here, i'm just saying.


Nice car but where exactly does it "eat the GTO's lunch".

I'm sure he means it because of the power-to-weight. The GTO is a heavy ass pig. But god damn it sounds good..

[sebspeed3]

i like the car man. its a shame you traded but i can see why. lol

what aprt of south jersey are you from? im in bucks county area right near trenton

check out tristatetuners .com sometime if your on there say hi im sebsol

if you join tell them i sent ya!

[boostdog]

I know; Dinan and Turner have Stage 1 re-maps that make 360 hp and 370 lb.ft. The Dinan Stage 2 numbers are 384/421. The only other thing I'd have to add is a limited-slip diff.

screw dinan! way over priced...give me a juice box upgrade anyday...guy is running high 11's with a tune race gas and drag radials.

check it out

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2484

freakin nuts!(headbang)

[mckraut]

My wife really wants one of those.

[ZyrehT]

"At the track" (ie turns). .90g skidpad/67mph slalom


GTO has the same skidpad and it's only a couple mph off the slalom. With equal tires it would be closer. This is far from "eating its lunch".

[Alexsered]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdxN6gJFhYs

Celine Dion gives you her star of approval for this car. I thought this car was a cool idea from chrysler when it came out, but than when I saw what market they were trying to appeal to, I said NO THANK YOU.

[mazdaspeedster3]

Well I finally traded my Mazdaspeed 3 in this past weekend, for a 2005 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6. The car is practically mint, w/ 12k miles and sold for 19k. Not to bad considering they sold for over 45k new a few years back. I'm sure not many on here would be fans of this car as it's 1) a Chrysler and 2) Only available in auto in the SRT trim.

It's got the German Built AMG SLK32 engine which is a supercharged 3.2L 6. 330hp/320ft/lbs of torque stock. After doing some minor research I found it can hit the low 12's consistantly with 4 mods (Pulley upgrade, intake, chip, and exhaust) which yeild it over 420hp/400ft/lbs at the rear wheels. I even saw one run a 12.1 at the local (Atco raceway) track here a few months back.

I didn't trade the Mazdaspeed3 in because I didn't like it- it was indeed a great vehicle. Coming from previous cars such as a 2005 STi my biggest complaint is the FWD configuration, and it's funky transmission (occasionally 3rd wouldn't exist- though that can be chalked up as driver error).

I've been to Mazda and back a few times- I joined way back when I got a Protege5, then was away for a while when I traded it for an STi, then like 3 cars in between before coming back to Mazda with the Speed3. I may be back someday- though I have my eye on getting a late model Z06 in the next 5 years. I've found a few with low miles in the 48-49k range (that's my ultimate semi-dream sports car considering dealers aren't selling the GTR for under 90k and Porsches are over 100k.

Anyway good luck everyone with their MS3's! Don't take any crap from those SRT-4s, and Cobalt SS's. ;)

Btw, anyone know if my Dashhawk will work with the Crossfire SRT-6? Also I have a fresh set of 18" MS3 stock rims for sale now (I was going to put winter tires on them but never did).

http://www.msprotege.com/members/LazerBlueP5/srt-6.jpg

No offense but this is one of the strangest and most unforeseen trades I have seen EVER! Those cars are ugly and non functional. Also, if you are looking a 12 sec car that is what you got? Just seems strange. To each his own. I just dont know how you ever ended up in an STI, MS3 and then that?

[LazerBlueP5]

i like the car man. its a shame you traded but i can see why. lol

what aprt of south jersey are you from? im in bucks county area right near trenton

check out tristatetuners .com sometime if your on there say hi im sebsol

if you join tell them i sent ya!

I've been a member since 2005 (when I got my STi). "Bubba Ho-Tep"

[LazerBlueP5]

No offense but this is one of the strangest and most unforeseen trades I have seen EVER! Those cars are ugly and non functional. Also, if you are looking a 12 sec car that is what you got? Just seems strange. To each his own. I just dont know how you ever ended up in an STI, MS3 and then that?

No offense taken. STi trade was a matter of finances at the time. I just bought a house and the payment on the STi was in the mid 5's and insurance was through the roof via USAA (3k a year with no blemishes on driving record).

The MS3 well that's not as easily explained. It's a great car- I love (almost) everything about it. The things that still bothered be were: transmission (3rd gear occasionally non-existent), wheel hop even after engine mount upgrade, and overall serious traction problems. I couldn't see doing upgrades to exhaust, tune, etc when I can't get traction with the (close to) stock hp/tq. Then there are people on here feverishly asking how to remove the torque limiter in 1st/2nd- lmao....what in the world are they planning to do- run pure drag slicks on the highway? If you've come from an AWD, or even a RWD car the FWD config will seem like a much less optimal base for building a powerful car. On street tires the only thing the power is good for is highway pulls. In the lower gears- anything more than moderate throttle input will cause the wheels to break traction.

Another thing that bothered me was the abysmal gains from Cobb AP. I bought this car with specific plans to do the whole Cobb thing (intake, exhaust, tune, etc)- as I really enjoyed those mods on my STi. The disappointing gains made me want to trade it that week. I believe the AP maps have gotten better but still not anywhere near the gains seen in the Subaru. That was chalked up to "the mazda's computer is more complex" or "it's tuned more to full potential from factory". Mabye one or both is true- but none the less disappointing.

Lastly I don't see any guys running in the low 12's and 11's- practically every member of the SRT forum with mods is pulling low 12's. There are even a few in the high 11's. Neither of them are using ethanol/meth or slicks This is with two mods- intake and pulleys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCtN5yrjZ64
With a tune and exhaust he'd see high 11's.

In short the SRT-6 is a less expensive car than the Mazdapseed3 (19k w/12,000 miles, vs 24,500 w/0 miles new), cheaper to insure (believe it or not), has more power from factory, and responds MUCH better to mods. Pulleys, and intake will guarantee 12's- to me thats remarkable.

Another thing to keep in mind is unlike many of the folk here- the Mazdaspeed3 isn't my daily driver. In the 12 months I owned it I only put 4,800 miles on it. Simply put I feel the SRT-6 with 12,000 miles under 20k is the deal of the century. That's ALOT of bang for your buck. Plus it's more fun to drive- and that's coming from someone who truly enjoyed driving their MS3. There's a reason why the SRT-6 beat out the 350z, and Porsche Boxter in the Car & Driver comparo. Regardless there's no reason to be offended. Some members act as if they are personally offended by my choice to trade- that is quite irrational.

[builthatch]

omg, i forgot about the intake.

where is the intake from the ms3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???? ???????

[LazerBlueP5]

The only thing I removed was the Apex mount for my Dashhawk.

[arkenzo]

I guess I do have a problem with that, when it's so far been people who have absolutely NO problems with the car, and literally seem to just get "bored" or feel like the car isn't a potential trailer-queen so they get bummed out and go somewhere else.

Please keep your personal problems off the internet, it's foolish to think people will care.


I just find it really foolish especially in a tough economy with money hard to come by and all we can think about is spend, spend, spend.

I know the economy is tough, I personally have not felt the economy "pinch", probably because I don't work in retail or in manufacturing or loans/realty. But because of this "economy", I can buy and trade cars in and be comfortable with the prices they are at :cool:


People are pretty less fortunate than we are, to be driving or owning what we do now a days.. There are kids in africa that are starving, lacking water and medical attention, send them some of your food, send them some of your water and send them your kaiser card, sharing is caring, right?

[builthatch]

The only thing I removed was the Apex mount for my Dashhawk.

dude you should have called me so i could have taken all of that shit out!

[Silver Ecstasy]

Please keep your personal problems off the internet, it's foolish to think people will care.
Who asked for your commentary?

I know the economy is tough, I personally have not felt the economy "pinch", probably because I don't work in retail or in manufacturing or loans/realty. But because of this "economy", I can buy and trade cars in and be comfortable with the prices they are at :cool:

That's fantastic...

There are kids in africa that are starving, lacking water and medical attention, send them some of your food, send them some of your water and send them your kaiser card, sharing is caring, right?
Maybe if you took a second to read the post, you'd understand that I was basically saying that a lot of people's priorities seem to be out of wack just because their perfectly fine MS3 isn't "fast" enough or doesn't yield "potential" like other cars out there.

And ultimately, a lot of people bought the car for the wrong reason then if they expected a monster turbo car.

[arkenzo]

Who asked for your commentary?



Donate a car to the red cross, they need you silver ecstasy!

http://blueprintfundraising.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/391px-Poster-red-cross-volunteer-for-victory.jpg

[LazerBlueP5]

Maybe if you took a second to read the post, you'd understand that I was basically saying that a lot of people's priorities seem to be out of wack just because their perfectly fine MS3 isn't "fast" enough or doesn't yield "potential" like other cars out there.
.

I can't think of a simpler way to say this other than: WHO ASKED YOU TO JUDGE OTHERS' PRIORITIES?

[LazerBlueP5]

dude you should have called me so i could have taken all of that shit out!

I know this is going to sound crazy but the stock airbox in pieces looked too complicated to put back together on a moments notice. Plus I didn't want to both you again. I greatly appreciate the time you spend doing the installs. I owe you one man.

[AWDthis]

Hay if i had the money id get the car i wanted too! (Prob. not a Chrysler :P lol) but you get the idea! Work hard, get what you want, we all die one day so enjoy !

[Silver Ecstasy]

I can't think of a simpler way to say this other than: WHO ASKED YOU TO JUDGE OTHERS' PRIORITIES?

You're automatically put on the critics stand when you start a thread on a MS3 forum saying you DITCHED your MS3 for another car, specifically in this case, a Crossfire.

It's no different than when guys post on the GTO forums "Hey guys, I just traded my GTO for a Mustang. It was plenty fast, I had zero issues with it, but something about the Mustang made me get it". You're immediately going to catch some shit for that.

Therefore, you blog your life on here, you're gonna get judged, whether it's justified or not. I didn't say anything disrespectful about the OP, other than the fact I thought it was interested he found the need to get rid of a perfectly fine MS3.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Donate a car to the red cross, they need you silver ecstasy!

http://blueprintfundraising.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/391px-Poster-red-cross-volunteer-for-victory.jpg

LOL.

I wonder if that's what a marketing degree got you back in the day: "Put it in italics..it really emphasizes the personal commitment we need from that person who sees this."

[arkenzo]

LOL.

I wonder if that's what a marketing degree got you back in the day: "Put it in italics..it really emphasizes the personal commitment we need from that person who sees this."

I don't know, but the first thing that comes to mind when I see that picture is germans and hitler... Dunno why (nailbyt)

[builthatch]

I don't know, but the first thing that comes to mind when I see that picture is germans and hitler... Dunno why (nailbyt)

hehe...

because nazi germany is the most infamous user of propaganda. it's ashame because propaganda had it's place way before that when the the protestants split.

the us has a richer history of propaganda use than the nazis, and most of it revolved around the fear of communism...it just wasn't ever "evil"

[LazerBlueP5]

You're automatically put on the critics stand when you start a thread on a MS3 forum saying you DITCHED your MS3 for another car, specifically in this case, a Crossfire.
lol, says you.

It's no different than when guys post on the GTO forums "Hey guys, I just traded my GTO for a Mustang. It was plenty fast, I had zero issues with it, but something about the Mustang made me get it". You're immediately going to catch some shit for that.
That's far from analogous. It's not a brand loyalty thing, you were talking about the economy and people's "priorities". If I'm going to be lectured it certainly isn't going to be from someone who was in grade school picking his nose and learning his times tables when I was driving my first car. Additionally if you knew ANYTHING about the economy and the way it works- not spending compounds the problem.

.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I don't know, but the first thing that comes to mind when I see that picture is germans and hitler... Dunno why (nailbyt)

LOL I can see that too from that picture. I'd photoshop that picture to emphasize that more..but I don't want to test my faith lol.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Additionally if you knew ANYTHING about the economy and the way it works- not spending compounds the problem

Fixing the economy isn't yours or my responsibility. Therefore, getting into reckless loans or swapping cars "just to help the economy" doesn't make any financial sense. Maybe oil companies shouldn't have forced everyone into a cash crunch..

If you've got the extra green, go for it. However, most people who are financially smart, don't blow their cash especially in tough times. Guess they're doing something right huh. Maybe we could learn from them!

[240ka]

hehe...

because nazi germany is the most infamous user of propaganda. it's ashame because propaganda had it's place way before that when the the protestants split.

the us has a richer history of propaganda use than the nazis, and most of it revolved around the fear of communism...it just wasn't ever "evil"

not sure where you were going with that.

but everything used to influence people in one way or another is PROPAGANDA. and its been like that since the begining of time

[LazerBlueP5]

Fixing the economy isn't yours or my responsibility. Therefore, getting into reckless loans or swapping cars "just to help the economy" doesn't make any financial sense. Maybe oil companies shouldn't have forced everyone into a cash crunch..

If you've got the extra green, go for it. However, most people who are financially smart, don't blow their cash especially in tough times. Guess they're doing something right huh. Maybe we could learn from them!

Your replies continue to be mindless and quite non-poignant. Let me break it down for you:
1) I never said fixing the economy was our responsibility- It was a retort for the idiotic comment you made about "spending money in this economy" equating to bad priorities.

2) If you think the oil company is the sole cause for the state of the economy you are quite uninformed and speak out of unbridled ignorance

3) "Tough times", "Financially Smart, don't blow their cash"- what in the world are you talking about? What are you angry about?! The only thing I can fathom is that you are personally experiencing "hard times" and it manifests itself in festering posts with heavy jealous undertones.

Here's a tip for you Silver "Ecstacy": occasionally keep your pie-hole shut, you'd appear a great deal more intelligent that way.

[gtlaw]

jeremy clarkson said "it looks like a dog doing a poo" I laughed my ass off when I heard that, because it does

[Silver Ecstasy]

Your replies continue to be mindless and quite non-poignant. Let me break it down for you:
1) I never said fixing the economy was our responsibility- It was a retort for the idiotic comment you made about "spending money in this economy" equating to bad priorities.

2) If you think the oil company is the sole cause for the state of the economy you are quite uninformed and speak out of unbridled ignorance

3) "Tough times", "Financially Smart, don't blow their cash"- what in the world are you talking about? What are you angry about?! The only thing I can fathom is that you are personally experiencing "hard times" and it manifests itself in festering posts with heavy jealous undertones.

Here's a tip for you Silver "Ecstacy": occasionally keep your pie-hole shut, you'd appear a great deal more intelligent that way.

I'm really having a hard time understanding why you're putting forth so much energy to quote and correct me.

For the record, i'm not angry or jealous. I'm doing quite fine actually and living a lot more comfortably than some others less fortunate. My personal opinion originally was that I thought it was an awkward trade for an unjustifiable reason. But that's nothing you have to explain to me or any of us, and I respect your right to do whatever the fuck you want.

Go enjoy your new used SRT6, while I enjoy being an educated adult.

[ZyrehT]

the us has a richer history of propaganda use than the nazis

You have your wires crossed or no knowledge of history if you think this statement is true.

[ZyrehT]

LOL I can see that too from that picture. I'd photoshop that picture to emphasize that more..but I don't want to test my faith lol.

If you can equate a red cross worker with hitler, you've got a problem.

[Silver Ecstasy]

All she would need is her hand in the air and erase the red cross insignia.

[LazerBlueP5]

You guys have to admit- Stage 4 is pretty impressive!....

http://n.b5z.net/i/u/6138924/h/srt6_PACKAGES.pdf

[Sport6]

Ya that's pretty sweet. Doesn't Mopar offer their own packages too?

[Alexsered]

You guys have to admit- Stage 4 is pretty impressive!....

http://n.b5z.net/i/u/6138924/h/srt6_PACKAGES.pdf

those are good numbers, but when I see this car, I don't see performance, I see some older dude driving this car around. Was your biggest motivation about buying this car because of potential power? I hope you like the car, but I can't see you being happy about this car for long considering the list of cars you owned.

[LazerBlueP5]

those are good numbers, but when I see this car, I don't see performance, I see some older dude driving this car around. Was your biggest motivation about buying this car because of potential power? I hope you like the car, but I can't see you being happy about this car for long considering the list of cars you owned.

Stock power is even impressive- fastest car I've ever owned. Pulls harder than my Stage2 STi on the highway and launches harder the MS3 due to rwd and pulls way harder on hwy compared to MS3- 80 extra hp and 45 extra ft/lbs stock help.

Nope I don't "see" performance either- lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJoWhLnCFTQ
http://www.desktopcar.net/wallpaper/22923-2/Chrysler_Cros-SRT-6_07.jpg

[LazerBlueP5]

Ya that's pretty sweet. Doesn't Mopar offer their own packages too?

I don't know I checked their website and didn't see anything SRT-6'centric. ???

[djthom]

Please keep your personal problems off the internet, it's foolish to think people will care.



I know the economy is tough, I personally have not felt the economy "pinch", probably because I don't work in retail or in manufacturing or loans/realty. But because of this "economy", I can buy and trade cars in and be comfortable with the prices they are at :cool:

There are kids in africa that are starving, lacking water and medical attention, send them some of your food, send them some of your water and send them your kaiser card, sharing is caring, right?


Words of wisdom!

[Bravnik]

The Crossfire would be a really cool car if it was not butt ugly. Sorry man, but that is why it didn't do well in the market. It's a modern day Pinto/Gremlin.

You would have been better off selling the MS3 and dropping that 19k into a turbo setup for the S2K. You would have made more power than both, had a really hot looking car that was also fast as hell.

[djthom]

to the OP

keep us posted on this car. I bet you can have a lot of fun modding this. saw some you tubes of em and there are some fast ones out there!

[LazerBlueP5]

The Crossfire would be a really cool car if it was not butt ugly. Sorry man, but that is why it didn't do well in the market. It's a modern day Pinto/Gremlin.

You would have been better off selling the MS3 and dropping that 19k into a turbo setup for the S2K. You would have made more power than both, had a really hot looking car that was also fast as hell.

I've heard turbo S2ks are scary fast but I've never seen any true numbers posted either dyno or at the track. Not to mention it's very small- it crushes my legs when driving (I'm not small), has no torque, and is about 5k more expensive in STOCK form. I can build a 12.1-12.4 second for LESS than the price it is to buy a 2005-newer S2k. I do however have to say the gearbox on the S2k is a dream.

[LazerBlueP5]

to the OP

keep us posted on this car. I bet you can have a lot of fun modding this. saw some you tubes of em and there are some fast ones out there!

Yeah man, I initially got interested in these cars after seeing this guy run at my local track. Since then I've connected with him online and we plan to meet up sometime and talk shop and answer a bunch of aftermarket questions for the car. Btw, this run was with only a crank pulley upgrade and CAI intake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NLAVDxi1U8&feature=channel_page

[Speed3Rookie]

The Crossfire would be a really cool car if it was not butt ugly. Sorry man, but that is why it didn't do well in the market. It's a modern day Pinto/Gremlin.
+100,000,000.....
IMO...that is one fugly sob. :)
But...I don't have to drive it either. :D
Enjoy you new toy. (headbang)

[Bravnik]

I've heard turbo S2ks are scary fast but I've never seen any true numbers posted either dyno or at the track. Not to mention it's very small- it crushes my legs when driving (I'm not small), has no torque, and is about 5k more expensive in STOCK form. I can build a 12.1-12.4 second for LESS than the price it is to buy a 2005-newer S2k. I do however have to say the gearbox on the S2k is a dream.

Go to S2KI.com. Turbo S2K's out run exotics. A simple turbo setup will give you around 350WHP/235TQ ish. There is a SC'd S2K on the forums that is pushing almost 600WHP and a 10k Redline and smokes Z06's like they are Smartcars. His forum name is Sideways so you can do a search for his latest encounters. A buddy of mine a Modacar in CA has a Turbo'd S2K that puts down 373WHP and it is a total monster. The nice thing about it is that even with that power it is still very drivable due to the low TQ.

The S2K has a TON of potential. The downside is that it will cost you every penny of that 19K to do it. A basic kit on the S2K is around 10k. My buddy has about 20k into his car. The S2K has potential but it costs a LOT of cash to do it as anything for the S2K is expensive and why I sold mine.

The SRT6 is a very nice car power wise.

[coololddude]

Trade as often as you like. There's nothing better than getting another car. Trading the MS3 though?? I bet your a communist!!

[LazerBlueP5]

Trade as often as you like. There's nothing better than getting another car. Trading the MS3 though?? I bet your a communist!!

lol Im officially a turncoat. (strike)

;)

[LazerBlueP5]

+100,000,000.....
IMO...that is one fugly sob. :)
But...I don't have to drive it either. :D
Enjoy you new toy. (headbang)

Hey man there are a lot of people who think our MS3s are ugly as sin too. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think it's a cool looking car- Jeremy Clarkson can kiss my American arse. Btw, I wonder if he knows it was originally designed by an Englishman?

[builthatch]

Hey man there are a lot of people who think our MS3s are ugly as sin too.

not nearly as many as those that think the same about the xfire...but to each his own. i agree.

BTW,

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewforum.php?f=29&sid=e7f0db8edd40b6a70b0867ef896b43c4

[Alexsered]

Hey man there are a lot of people who think our MS3s are ugly as sin too. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think it's a cool looking car- Jeremy Clarkson can kiss my American arse. Btw, I wonder if he knows it was originally designed by an Englishman?

Honestly, the ONLY people that I have heard say that the Mazdaspeed3 was ugly were WRX, SRT4, EVO and SI fanboys. Every reveiwer that is pretty unbiased has said the design is slick and probably the most appealing.

[LazerBlueP5]

Honestly, the ONLY people that I have heard say that the Mazdaspeed3 was ugly were WRX, SRT4, EVO and SI fanboys. Every reveiwer that is pretty unbiased has said the design is slick and probably the most appealing.

Ugly or not who cares- most cars on the road will on get to see it's tails anyway. (wiggle)

PS I happen to think the MS3 is a beautifully designed car- if not somewhat ordinary looking (ie doesn't turn heads). That can be both a good and a bad thing.

[LazerBlueP5]

not nearly as many as those that think the same about the xfire...but to each his own. i agree.

BTW,

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewforum.php?f=29&sid=e7f0db8edd40b6a70b0867ef896b43c4

That's pretty crazy man. Though they are some pretty indepth builds. I'm simply looking to add pulleys, intake, and tune for my 11.8-12.1's. Talk about responding well to mods.

PS The amount of "haters" of this car makes me like it even more- as bizzare as that sounds. ;)

[Silver Ecstasy]

PS The amount of "haters" of this car makes me like it even more- as bizzare as that sounds. ;)

I can see how you'd feel that way. For some reason, it emphasizes the fact that you're different and that little piece of heaven is yours and not something shared with the masses.

[builthatch]

glen, well...

if you ever feel the urge to make that thing as pretty as it can be, hit me up. i've been doing some pretty nice cars lately and have perfected my techniques and arsenal.

[LazerBlueP5]

glen, well...

if you ever feel the urge to make that thing as pretty as it can be, hit me up. i've been doing some pretty nice cars lately and have perfected my techniques and arsenal.

Jared, are you referring to aesthetic mods? The very first two purchases will be ASP 178mm crank pulley and a Needswings CAI. Mid 12's with those two. (boom04)

[builthatch]

Jared, are you referring to aesthetic mods? The very first two purchases will be ASP 178mm crank pulley and a Needswings CAI. Mid 12's with those two. (boom04)

nah, highline detailing ; )

[protojason]

Congrats on the crossfire.

I guess i'm in the minority that likes the design of the car. (Yes, even I can see the whole dog taking a crap part). I like the look of the long nose, short rear though.

I think they kinda look classy/elegant/dare i say regal? Also wish it had a manual transmission in the srt trim.

I've always wondered how practical it'd be to get a regular version then turbo it, rather than go with srt.

I knew they were quick, but didn't think they were as fast as you guys regard it to be. I know back when it came out, on the chrysler website there was a clip of it on the autobahn doing 145 rock solid stable, one hand on the wheel, not even straining.

Sounds like you got a great deal to me!

-Jason

[Donas64]

Congrats on the purchase. I appreciate the SRT-6 for what it is. I hope you enjoy it.

[LazerBlueP5]

nah, highline detailing ; )

Dude I totally trust you with any car I purchase whether it be a Crossfire or Z06 (planned next car purchase- eta 3 years).

[LazerBlueP5]

Congrats on the purchase. I appreciate the SRT-6 for what it is. I hope you enjoy it.

I'm surprised as many know about it- I didn't know anything about them till I saw one that dropped my jaw at a local track's street night. I had no idea they were as powerful as they were yet alone how well they responded to mods.

[///M Compact]

Dude I totally trust you with any car I purchase whether it be a Crossfire or Z06 (planned next car purchase- eta 3 years).

My local Chevy dealer has a 2003 Z06 for around $23K. I'd flip my MS3 for it if I didn't need a rear seat.

[Alexsered]

My local Chevy dealer has a 2003 Z06 for around $23K. I'd flip my MS3 for it if I didn't need a rear seat.

I want on 06 or newer z06, If I find that perfect deal, I'm jumping ship and going with the zed06

[chrisp]

Please keep your personal problems off the internet, it's foolish to think people will care.



I know the economy is tough, I personally have not felt the economy "pinch", probably because I don't work in retail or in manufacturing or loans/realty. But because of this "economy", I can buy and trade cars in and be comfortable with the prices they are at :cool:

There are kids in africa that are starving, lacking water and medical attention, send them some of your food, send them some of your water and send them your kaiser card, sharing is caring, right?

lol, If I wasnt feeling the pinch of the economy I would have bought a used sti. Oh wait im not feeling the pinch and I did buy one...

[chrisp]

Honestly, the ONLY people that I have heard say that the Mazdaspeed3 was ugly were WRX, SRT4, EVO and SI fanboys. Every reveiwer that is pretty unbiased has said the design is slick and probably the most appealing.

thats a ton of people! lol! as far as the crossfire goes, who cares if other people like it or not. You bought the car because you like it and it has a ton of potential. as long as your happy with it and dont rice it out it will be an awesome car!

[wisniaPl]

is this crossfire stick shift??

[Sport6]

no, the str6 its only available in an automatic

[parkerfe]

no, the str6 its only available in an automatic

Friends don't let friends drive automatics...

[15min5k]

Yeah I wouldn't care how fast a car is if it's an auto. Sucks major ass!

P.S. Bad trade IMO.

[chrisp]

whats with the k04 sig??

[15min5k]

whats with the k04 sig??

It's educational for newbies, etc. Do you take issue with it?

[chrisp]

It's educational for newbies, etc. Do you take issue with it?

Is the k04 the stock turbo? I didnt think you had to do the cool down process with newer turbos

[15min5k]

Is the k04 the stock turbo? I didnt think you had to do the cool down process with newer turbos

Yes the K04 is the stock turbo for the MS3. Cool down is highly recommended if you intend to keep your car healthy and running well.

[CHICO2003]

Nice ride and all... Seems like you got a good deal. The only thing is... rwd small car in NJ??? what are you gonna do when it snows?

[///M Compact]

Nice ride and all... Seems like you got a good deal. The only thing is... rwd small car in NJ??? what are you gonna do when it snows?

If he has winter tires and competent driving skills he will have no problem.

[mo08ms3]

I was another unedumacated mofo who didn't know how quick those are, I'm surprised. To the OP ... congrats.

[chrisp]

Yes the K04 is the stock turbo for the MS3. Cool down is highly recommended if you intend to keep your car healthy and running well.

that stinks. I know all subarus and srts as well as many other turbo cars dont require this cool down period. that why you almost never see turbo timers on any of these anymore. Suabru even put it in print that it wasnt necessary to do the cool down period as newer technology has made this possible

[imac]

that stinks. I know all subarus and srts as well as many other turbo cars dont require this cool down period. that why you almost never see turbo timers on any of these anymore. Suabru even put it in print that it wasnt necessary to do the cool down period as newer technology has made this possible

that's a pretty nice feature. didn't know they did that. would be cool to have, rather than trying to remember to sit in my car for a minute after driving or just throwing down the money for a TT.

[builthatch]

If he has winter tires and competent driving skills he will have no problem.

he's going to drive his hummer. he has an h3.

[wisniaPl]

no, the str6 its only available in an automatic

if it would be a manual it would fun to drive it sideways....

[djthom]

Yes the K04 is the stock turbo for the MS3. Cool down is highly recommended if you intend to keep your car healthy and running well.

there is also a lot to suggest the cool down is not needed...
the whole cool down/no cool down can be debated...
but not here...

OP
is there auto shifting paddles on the steering wheel or just on the stick?

[LazerBlueP5]

Yeah I wouldn't care how fast a car is if it's an auto. Sucks major ass!

P.S. Bad trade IMO.

hahaha, yeah the GT-R is another one that "sucks major ass". (drinks)

[LazerBlueP5]

Nice ride and all... Seems like you got a good deal. The only thing is... rwd small car in NJ??? what are you gonna do when it snows?

Jared beat me to it. :P My H3.

[Sveivo]

More pics!! (godown)

[15min5k]

hahaha, yeah the GT-R is another one that "sucks major ass". (drinks)

GT-R isn't just a auto smart guy. Perhaps you should do some reading..

[Captain KRM P5]

always had a soft spot for the slowselling crossfire. i drove one when i worked at chrysler and was pretty impressed. never got to drive an SRT6 though. word of warning - replacement parts are not cheap. we had a guy lose his key and it was over $200 to replace it. oil changes through the dealership i worked at were over $100 in parts and labor thanks to the mercedes filter and 0W oil. chrysler didn't even rebadge the stuff - box was OEM mercedes, right down to the part number, and they put makeshift part number decals on quarts of mobil 1 for the oil, lol.

[builthatch]

GT-R isn't just a auto smart guy. Perhaps you should do some reading..

ahh, not you again

:rollseyes:


replacement parts are not cheap.

it's ok. glen is loaded.

[LazerBlueP5]

always had a soft spot for the slowselling crossfire. i drove one when i worked at chrysler and was pretty impressed. never got to drive an SRT6 though. word of warning - replacement parts are not cheap. we had a guy lose his key and it was over $200 to replace it. oil changes through the dealership i worked at were over $100 in parts and labor thanks to the mercedes filter and 0W oil. chrysler didn't even rebadge the stuff - box was OEM mercedes, right down to the part number, and they put makeshift part number decals on quarts of mobil 1 for the oil, lol.

Yeah I heard about the pricey oil changes. Thankfully it calls for 7k changes. I can also save money buying the filters online like I did for the Mazda. In fact I have a dozen Mazda oil filters in my closet- I probably should put them up fs.

It also helps to be a part of an online community (very much like this one). I couldn't imaging owning a car I was planning to mod and NOT be in tune with the community etc. Just this week a guy posted an uncut (switchblade) crossfire key for $20 shipped. Plus I'm buying a second set of wheels for $250! Now if only I could find a bumper cover replacement....bleh

Anyway- yeah I bet a MB tech would be more at home doing work on it than the run of the mill Chrysler guy. That's one of the downsides as this car truly ISN'T Chrysler other than the sheetmetal and badging. Users note that they occasionally have problems getting problems resolved (possibly due to the techs' lack of familiarity and relative low numbers of Crossfires they work on).

The Crossfire wasn't even on my radar till I saw one run a 12.2 at a local track obliterating the modified Corvette in the lane next to it. I did some research and saw how remarkably well they respond to mods coupled with really REALLY bad resale value. Right now is a good time to pick one up- many are coming off lease w/ low milage as we speak. My buddy even picked one up (non SRT version) for 12k w/ 30,000 miles.

There are shops that stock parts and offer custom tuning, even for the n/a Crossfire bringing it up to some really respectful power-levels. I'm looking for a deal on a roadster now.

[LazerBlueP5]

ahh, not you again

:rollseyes:



it's ok. glen is loaded.

lol, I was much better off when I was working for the state AND running my full-time business. Now that the business has grown too large to do part-time I had to leave the day-job and pursue my videography full time (ie Salary has been halved).

Btw, do you think your broker can get me out of a GMAC lease?! Call me when you find a moment!

[LazerBlueP5]

More pics!! (godown)

This isn't mine but it's the same color (Silver Sapphire Blue)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/MAYAmaster/AMGskirtsStartechfront-1.jpg

[Russellmania]

Hi, this is my first post here. I've been lurking for a while as I've long been interested in getting an MS3 but I'm not really in the market for a car right now. Ironically this thread is what made me register as I had never heard of the SRT-6 and I'm kind of blown away by what an awesome value you're getting for your money.

One thing I was wondering is if it's possible to remove the awful chrysler badging from the front? I can't tell if it's part of the hood or the grille, but I haven't been able to find a single pic online where it has been removed.

P.S.
that last pic is not blue.

[Silver Ecstasy]

lol, it looks like an SLR or a SL65 shrunken down.

[Donas64]

It's purty! Get your pics up!

[LazerBlueP5]

Hi, this is my first post here. I've been lurking for a while as I've long been interested in getting an MS3 but I'm not really in the market for a car right now. Ironically this thread is what made me register as I had never heard of the SRT-6 and I'm kind of blown away by what an awesome value you're getting for your money.

One thing I was wondering is if it's possible to remove the awful chrysler badging from the front? I can't tell if it's part of the hood or the grille, but I haven't been able to find a single pic online where it has been removed.

P.S.
that last pic is not blue.

Hey man- welcome to the forum or rather thanks for un-lurking! Regarding the sheer value- it's incredible. Definitely one of the...if not THE best bang-for-the-buck car out there right now. It's a great time to buy right now, a very soft market and many are coming off leases right now. Regular Crossfires are going for 9-13k wholesale, so they are ending up at dealers for 12-15k with low milage no less. One member even picked up his low milage (4,000) SRT-6 for 17k. It's like a hidden gem- though people are starting to pick up on it. SRT models in particular are selling pretty quick.

Regarding the badging- I'm with you- I never was fond of the Chrysler badging. I don't know the reason why people don't de-badge- maybe the emblem has mounting holes directly into the sheet metal? I've seen some nice alternatives that looks pretty sharp. Here's a replacement center emblem:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/handwax1/IMG_0898.jpg

PS That color is called Saphire Blue Silver. It's a silver with a bluish (gun/metal) tint to it.

[LazerBlueP5]

lol, it looks like an SLR or a SL65 shrunken down.

It's probably most akin to a CLK32 AMG which it...IS. :) Even the engine has the MB logo on it.

[15min5k]

I've heard it's basically a Merc. Thought it was based off the slk 350..

[cpmazda]

I traded my speed3 in a few months back as well. the srt-6 though not my cup of tea, looks pretty nice

[Sveivo]

This isn't mine but it's the same color (Silver Sapphire Blue)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/MAYAmaster/AMGskirtsStartechfront-1.jpg

It's quite a unique car, and it has the power to back it up!

[fastdreams]

That one looks good with the 5-spokes and suspension.

Not a bad car overall. I like things that are different, and the AMG engine is hard to argue with.

I'd probably make a different choice since I've gotten into track days, and right now the MS3 is quite good out there.

[fastdreams]

Boosted S2k's are nice but not all that. This is me chasing a supercharged one at Texas World Speedway. Granted he pulls me pretty good on the front straight, but ultimately I'm quite a bit faster per lap so he has to let me by. In this configuration my car only put down 255whp. The S2k has quite a bit more power and less weight. I thought I wanted an S2k until I did this track day with an S2k club and none of them were a challenge for the MS3 on street tires. I still have a few mods and tweaks to go yet, not to mention a step up to DOT-R's.

ps. sorry about the audio.

eh the embedding is not working....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUSFyuUreck

[Donas64]

Boosted S2k's are nice but not all that. This is me chasing a supercharged one at Texas World Speedway. Granted he pulls me pretty good on the front straight, but ultimately I'm quite a bit faster per lap so he has to let me by. In this configuration my car only put down 255whp. The S2k has quite a bit more power and less weight. I thought I wanted an S2k until I did this track day with an S2k club and none of them were a challenge for the MS3 on street tires. I still have a few mods and tweaks to go yet, not to mention a step up to DOT-R's.

ps. sorry about the audio.

eh the embedding is not working....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUSFyuUreck

That looks like a ton of fun!

[fastdreams]

That looks like a ton of fun!

It's like a drug. I need a fix from my track dealer every now and then or I suffer bad withdrawal symptoms. ;)

[Sveivo]

It's like a drug. I need a fix from my track dealer every now and then or I suffer bad withdrawal symptoms. ;)

Well, he did pull away, but it wasn't dramatic.

I'd say MS3 does quite well, considering it's got "4 doors and a boot." [/J. Clarkson]

[Sport6]

I traded my speed3 in a few months back as well. the srt-6 though not my cup of tea, looks pretty nice

What did you get?

[cpmazda]

What did you get?

back to a honda. the new accords are really nice and with 265 hp it has some grunt

[Donas64]

back to a honda. the new accords are really nice and with 265 hp it has some grunt

Great motor, great build quality, ugly car. Can't fault it as a nice daily driver though.

[LazerBlueP5]

back to a honda. the new accords are really nice and with 265 hp it has some grunt

I actually test drove a new Accord Coupe V6 and was very dissapointed. Even the Mazdaspeed3 felt faster over all areas of the rpm band (sans above 5500).

I do however love the way they look. It felt slow and disconnected. PS It was an Auto though- that may have had something to do with it. The Honda dealer claimed Manual Coupe V6's were rare. (hand)

[cpmazda]

I actually test drove a new Accord Coupe V6 and was very dissapointed. Even the Mazdaspeed3 felt faster over all areas of the rpm band (sans above 5500).

I do however love the way they look. It felt slow and disconnected. PS It was an Auto though- that may have had something to do with it. The Honda dealer claimed Manual Coupe V6's were rare. (hand)

It is a tick slower than the speed3, but since their is no turbo kick it feels much slower. It has family car suspension so the speed3 definately has more road feel

[15min5k]

It is a tick slower than the speed3, but since their is no turbo kick it feels much slower. It has family car suspension so the speed3 definately has more road feel

It's got more torque and a better power to weight ratio. The S2000 is the only Honda comparable performance wise.

[///M Compact]

Going to check out an E39 540i Sport tomorrow, and possibly a CPO E92 335i. Both are six speed manuals.

[CHICO2003]

The base Crossfire sucks balls. Looks cool... but handles like shit and is severely under-powered. The SRT-6 on the other hand is bad ass!! The fact that it's a Chrysler (albeit with Benz DNA) makes it a hell of a deal on the open market. (best of both worlds... resale's in the shitter due to the brand but it's a blast to drive thanks to its makeup.)

But unless you live somewhere warm and pretty much NEVER have to load up your car with anything of any significance (the cargo space in these cars is downright pathetic) this car simply cannot be a daily driver. So the idea of trading in an MS3 (arguable the world's best daily driver... blast to drive and tons of practicality... on the cheap) for this is... a bit odd. I understand he's got a second vehicle (H3?) so that explains that...

As much as I'd love to have a "weekend toy" type of car... It just doens't make any financial sense at this stage of my life. I mean, as great of a deal as this SRT-6 was... it was still $19k! That's a lot of money to spend on a car that'll barely see the light of day for 4 months of the year. Factor in the added cost of insurance and taxes and... if it were me, I would've ditched the hummer and just drove the MS3 year-round. I'm guessing the OP is in a far better financial situation than I so more power to him!

[cpmazda]

It's got more torque and a better power to weight ratio. The S2000 is the only Honda comparable performance wise.

agreed, the accord shouldnt be compared to the speed3 cuz its a totally different car. I wouls take a s2000 over speed3 for sure. Both cars are fun, but comparing a station wagon to a 2 seater convertable just doesnt add up

[Donas64]

agreed, the accord shouldnt be compared to the speed3 cuz its a totally different car. I wouls take a s2000 over speed3 for sure. Both cars are fun, but comparing a station wagon to a 2 seater convertable just doesnt add up

I believe the MS3 is a hatchback not a station wagon. And while they may be very different cars on the surface, they both are designed to go fast and handle well. It's not a logical comparison, but it's not out of the question. I'd love to see them both go around a track like laguna seca stock for stock and see what turns in faster lap times.

[Captain KRM P5]

if its got four swinging doors and a hatch, its a station wagon. can't we just get over making up new names and sub names for things? i'm so sick of terms like "crossover" or "sport activity vehicle" or even "SUV", when most of them are just FRIGGIN TRUCKS. what the hell really is a "crossover" anyways? JEEZ. i would think its a point of pride to have a really quick "station wagon".

[Sport6]

agreed, the accord shouldnt be compared to the speed3 cuz its a totally different car. I wouls take a s2000 over speed3 for sure. Both cars are fun, but comparing a station wagon to a 2 seater convertable just doesnt add up

I like torque.

[Donas64]

if its got four swinging doors and a hatch, its a station wagon. can't we just get over making up new names and sub names for things? i'm so sick of terms like "crossover" or "sport activity vehicle" or even "SUV", when most of them are just FRIGGIN TRUCKS. what the hell really is a "crossover" anyways? JEEZ. i would think its a point of pride to have a really quick "station wagon".

I guess I see that argument.

[fastdreams]

I believe the MS3 is a hatchback not a station wagon. And while they may be very different cars on the surface, they both are designed to go fast and handle well. It's not a logical comparison, but it's not out of the question. I'd love to see them both go around a track like laguna seca stock for stock and see what turns in faster lap times.

FWIW they are about par according to published nurburgring times.

Also FWIW, I have been able to have my way with s2k's on the track - even supercharged s2k's. I'd say that's because the cars are very close in capability, but the MS3 is easier to push hard.

[CHICO2003]

Station wagons are based on mid and full sized cars. Hatches are based on compact cars. Is the 4 door GTI a station wagon? I rest my case.

[cpmazda]

Station wagons are based on mid and full sized cars. Hatches are based on compact cars. Is the 4 door GTI a station wagon? I rest my case.

no but the speed 3 looks like one...
audi wagon....
speed3.......... i rest my case, and yes this audi is actually called a wagon

[CHICO2003]

But you used the term 'station wagon' not 'wagon'. There IS a difference. LOL

Like I said... mid and full-size = station wagon compacts (like the MS3, A3, GTI, etc) = hatch

Hey, I didn't make up the rules I'm just stating the facts.

[cpmazda]

But you used the term 'station wagon' not 'wagon'. There IS a difference. LOL

Like I said... mid and full-size = station wagon compacts (like the MS3, A3, GTI, etc) = hatch

Hey, I didn't make up the rules I'm just stating the facts.

they dont use the term staion wagon anymore. all wagons are just that....wagons. Ya can put a pretty bow on a terd, but it's still a terd. Ya can call a speed3 a hatch, but its still a wagon..aka grocery getter

[Donas64]

wait wait, so a wagon is automatically a grocery getter? I'm missing something. Then whats an S2000? A torque-less wonder?

[builthatch]

Then whats an S200?

this thread is going to go nowhere. don't you guys see that? what the heck are you ACTUALLY arguing about? how about NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!

anyway,

this....is an s200 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-200_Angara/Vega/Dubna

so is this....

http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0702/nikon/nikon_s200_frontback.jpg

[CHICO2003]

agreed, the accord shouldnt be compared to the speed3 cuz its a totally different car. I wouls take a s2000 over speed3 for sure. Both cars are fun, but comparing a station wagon to a 2 seater convertable just doesnt add up

'They' might not use the term station wagon anymore but... apparently you do.

THIS is the post I was responding to.

[CHICO2003]

While I admit it's about as petty as it gets... The term 'station wagon' registers about the same level of coolness as the term 'minivan'. When someone calls my MS3 a station wagon (as he did) I take offense because it's obvious that it's meant as an insult. Now if it truly WAS a station wagon, I'd have nothing to say. But IMO (and I believe the majority of not only the people on this board but regular folks as well) a station wagon represents a bigger car. They were basically the SUVs and minivans of the 80s. Big, ugly, lumbering boats.

Now I realize we're just taking out one word here but the term 'wagon' isn't nearly as offensive. (In fact, to me, it's not offensive at all.) It conjures up relatively cool vehicles like the Audi A4 and even the Outback. But these vehicles are a notch bigger than the MS3 & GTI. Call it semantics... call it petty... I don't care. compact 5 door cars are hatches. If you want to call a mid-size a wagon or a station wagon be my guest. Though they don't really make them anymore (to my knowledge) theres no denying that a full-size 'wagon' is nothing short of a 'station wagon'.


I mean... Are we really going to label all of these dramatically different (yet sharing the same 5-door design) the same thing? I think we're intelligent enough to delineate the difference based on the size of the vehicle.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/1994%20Buick%20Roadmaster%20wagon2.jpg

http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/2009-Audi-A4-09601051990006.jpg

http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/07_VW-GTI4Door_02.jpg

http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/2007_Mazda_MAZDASPEED3_ext_1.jpg

[Babyface13]

How is this for a station wagon???? LOL

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Twin-Turbo-LS1-Volvo-740_84833.htm

[CHICO2003]

wow... talk about a tangent!

Back on topic. sort of....

I was looking at some SRT Crossfires on various sites and... DAMN!!!

talk about deals to be had!! I saw one w/8k miles for $16k... and most were in the $18k range with relatively low mileage. (seems like most of the owners of these cars kept as weekend toys)

If I were in position to do so... I'd strongly consider pulling the trigger if not for one minor (yet major) problem.

Just like all those years the WRX had it... this ugly ass pea soup green interior lighting BS is (for me at least) a deal breaker. One of the things I like (no love) most about the MS3 are the gauges during the day and night. What can I say? Nothing beats the whole reddish-amber thing Mazda's got going... And since we SEE the inside of the car about a billion times more than we see the outside, THAT is the most important thing. (the outside is for everyone else and... the hell with them!) ANother thing I wasn't digging (again with the interior) is the damn 4 spoked steering wheel. I'm sorry but... sports cars have to have 3 spoked wheels. It should be a law or something. 4 spoked garabge is for trucks and the Caliber SRT! haha (hmm... leave it to Chrysler!)

But other than those things (which Im' sure many of you could care less about) the car is stellar. LOVE the looks of it. Everythying from the lines on the hood to the air inlets on the side to the dual center exhaust to the... well, you get the idea. They hit a homerun in the looks category for sure. Sort of a shame it didn't get the respect it deserved. I think the lowely base model didn't do it any favors.

BTW... does this thing only come in A/T? I haven' found a stickshfft yet. If it's only A/T then... damn, that's even worse than a 5 spoked steering wheel! WTF? A/Ts are for... well, nevermind! haha

[fastdreams]

BTW... does this thing only come in A/T? I haven' found a stickshfft yet. If it's only A/T then... damn, that's even worse than a 5 spoked steering wheel! WTF? A/Ts are for... well, nevermind! haha

Well figure it is a mercedes. Almost all of their cars AMG or not, are auto. They make a good auto though!

[mo08ms3]

How is this for a station wagon???? LOL

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Twin-Turbo-LS1-Volvo-740_84833.htm

Lol, you could drop some jaws with that!

Grocery getter FTW!

[///M Compact]

I'd gladly take one of these station wagons- if only BMW NA would import it...

http://upload.moldova.org/auto/BMW/BMW-M5_Touring_1.jpg

[cpmazda]

How is this for a station wagon???? LOL

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Twin-Turbo-LS1-Volvo-740_84833.htm

holy moly

[parkerfe]

Well I finally traded my Mazdaspeed 3 in this past weekend, for a 2005 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6. The car is practically mint, w/ 12k miles and sold for 19k. Not to bad considering they sold for over 45k new a few years back. I'm sure not many on here would be fans of this car as it's 1) a Chrysler and 2) Only available in auto in the SRT trim.

It's got the German Built AMG SLK32 engine which is a supercharged 3.2L 6. 330hp/320ft/lbs of torque stock. After doing some minor research I found it can hit the low 12's consistantly with 4 mods (Pulley upgrade, intake, chip, and exhaust) which yeild it over 420hp/400ft/lbs at the rear wheels. I even saw one run a 12.1 at the local (Atco raceway) track here a few months back.

I didn't trade the Mazdaspeed3 in because I didn't like it- it was indeed a great vehicle. Coming from previous cars such as a 2005 STi my biggest complaint is the FWD configuration, and it's funky transmission (occasionally 3rd wouldn't exist- though that can be chalked up as driver error).

I've been to Mazda and back a few times- I joined way back when I got a Protege5, then was away for a while when I traded it for an STi, then like 3 cars in between before coming back to Mazda with the Speed3. I may be back someday- though I have my eye on getting a late model Z06 in the next 5 years. I've found a few with low miles in the 48-49k range (that's my ultimate semi-dream sports car considering dealers aren't selling the GTR for under 90k and Porsches are over 100k.

Anyway good luck everyone with their MS3's! Don't take any crap from those SRT-4s, and Cobalt SS's. ;)

Btw, anyone know if my Dashhawk will work with the Crossfire SRT-6? Also I have a fresh set of 18" MS3 stock rims for sale now (I was going to put winter tires on them but never did).

http://www.msprotege.com/members/LazerBlueP5/srt-6.jpg

Going from a Mazda to a Chrysler is quite a drop...but, I guess you will soon be able to get your car repaired by a Fiat mechanic...

[LazerBlueP5]

The base Crossfire sucks balls. Looks cool... but handles like shit and is severely under-powered.

I don't know- from what I read the base n/a Crossfire is pretty comparable to the Mazdaspeed3. Base Crossfire skidpad is .89g and a slalom speed of 65.7mph. Mazdaspeed is comparably .88g and 68.2mph in the slalom. I wouldn't call that handling like shit.

Underpowered- maybe? For the original price- DEFINITELY! However it's not as bad as you think. The Mazdaspeed does have a sizable advantage in a straight line. 0-60 in 5.9 compared to the Crossfire's 6.4- and a 1/4 mile in 14.2 @ 100.1 compared to the Crossfires 14.7 @ 95.9mph. Of course magazine numbers aren't the end-all be-all, there are variants across the board for both cars clocking them both a little quicker or slower depending on the publication.

PS I just picked up a 2005 Crossfire Roadster (Black with Rust colored leather interior) w/ 12,100 miles for my fiancee. Cost $16,500. Looking forward to doing a TVT Design (250+) kit on it that will more than make up for the difference between the (MS3) two cars. All at a total price of $17,800 which isn't tooooo bad.

[LazerBlueP5]

Going from a Mazda to a Chrysler is quite a drop...but, I guess you will soon be able to get your car repaired by a Fiat mechanic...

It won't be as easy to blow up as the handful of MS3's I've seen here go ka-blooey! The AMG engine in them is forged. (drive) 11's on street tires and pump gas is attainable as well. What's there NOT to love about this car (sans the Chrysler hood/side strake styling)?!

[LazerBlueP5]

wow... talk about a tangent!

Back on topic. sort of....

I was looking at some SRT Crossfires on various sites and... DAMN!!!

talk about deals to be had!! I saw one w/8k miles for $16k... and most were in the $18k range with relatively low mileage. (seems like most of the owners of these cars kept as weekend toys)

If I were in position to do so... I'd strongly consider pulling the trigger if not for one minor (yet major) problem.

Just like all those years the WRX had it... this ugly ass pea soup green interior lighting BS is (for me at least) a deal breaker. One of the things I like (no love) most about the MS3 are the gauges during the day and night. What can I say? Nothing beats the whole reddish-amber thing Mazda's got going... And since we SEE the inside of the car about a billion times more than we see the outside, THAT is the most important thing. (the outside is for everyone else and... the hell with them!) ANother thing I wasn't digging (again with the interior) is the damn 4 spoked steering wheel. I'm sorry but... sports cars have to have 3 spoked wheels. It should be a law or something. 4 spoked garabge is for trucks and the Caliber SRT! haha (hmm... leave it to Chrysler!)

But other than those things (which Im' sure many of you could care less about) the car is stellar. LOVE the looks of it. Everythying from the lines on the hood to the air inlets on the side to the dual center exhaust to the... well, you get the idea. They hit a homerun in the looks category for sure. Sort of a shame it didn't get the respect it deserved. I think the lowely base model didn't do it any favors.

BTW... does this thing only come in A/T? I haven' found a stickshfft yet. If it's only A/T then... damn, that's even worse than a 5 spoked steering wheel! WTF? A/Ts are for... well, nevermind! haha

These cars are a deal of the century- a hidden gem. Not many people even know about them. My buddy came by on friday night when the temps here in NJ were in the high 40's. He took me out in his SRT-6 and WOW...it was literally the fastest car I've ever driven in and I've experienced a lot from modified supras, rx-7's, vettes, etc. It pins you so hard into the seat and simply doesn't let off. The shifts are so fast you stay glued to the seat- lol. Btw, he's running 11.8 @ 126 with 4 major mods: CAI, pulley, upgraded upper manifolds, and a tune.

[fastdreams]

(sans the Chrysler hood/side strake styling)?!

Thats the only thing I don't like. Well that and the auto only - but that is expected with MB. AMG for a heart makes all the difference though.

[15min5k]

It won't be as easy to blow up as the handful of MS3's I've seen here go ka-blooey! The AMG engine in them is forged. (drive) 11's on street tires and pump gas is attainable as well. What's there NOT to love about this car (sans the Chrysler hood/side strake styling)?!

It's a slush box but you seem to care mostly about 1/4 times so I suppose it wouldn't matter much to you. How much cargo / ppl can you fit in that thing btw?

[Donas64]

It's a slush box but you seem to care mostly about 1/4 times so I suppose it wouldn't matter much to you. How much cargo / ppl can you fit in that thing btw?

Good grief man, if he wanted to haul cargo and people, he would have bought a minivan!

What is it with people on this site and raining on other peoples parades? When did this become the Neon SRT Forums.

seesh!

[Renzokuken]

It's a slush box but you seem to care mostly about 1/4 times so I suppose it wouldn't matter much to you. How much cargo / ppl can you fit in that thing btw?

Lamest comment of the week IMO.

[UHATEIT]

I am surprised a thread about someone selling his speed3 to buy something else has lasted this long and with some many posts and pages.

I think the point has been made, the OP is happy with his new purchase, he is happy with his car, he doesn't care about cargo space, he's satisfied driving an automatic, and feels his car is fast enough and will be modding with a few things to get it faster, and feels the 1/4 mile times the car puts out are good enough to suffice his craving and help to justify his purchase in his mind.

On to the next thread people :)

[15min5k]

I'd gladly take one of these station wagons- if only BMW NA would import it...

http://upload.moldova.org/auto/BMW/BMW-M5_Touring_1.jpg

You're joking right? If not I'm sorry, we all have our taste

[15min5k]

I am surprised a thread about someone selling his speed3 to buy something else has lasted this long and with some many posts and pages.

I think the point has been made, the OP is happy with his new purchase, he is happy with his car, he doesn't care about cargo space, he's satisfied driving an automatic, and feels his car is fast enough and will be modding with a few things to get it faster, and feels the 1/4 mile times the car puts out are good enough to suffice his craving and help to justify his purchase in his mind.

On to the next thread people :)

^ In a nutshell

[15min5k]

Lamest comment of the week IMO.

How? Is it because you don't like what I have to say? Suggestion.. Ignore it if it hurts your feelings.. you're obviously very sensative.

[Donas64]

WHat the hell is your problem man??? I simply make a statement that you don't like and you're making issues of it. Meds today?

I'm perfectly sane. I don't need meds. It would seem like you need a hobby of some sort though since you have nothing better to do than come into threads and provoke people needlessly. Renzokuken noticed it and so did I. You bust in here the first thing you do is start talking trash about the original poster and his only caring about "1/4 mile times" and talking other such nonsense. These forums are a less pleasant place to be because of buffoons like you.

It's sad really.

To the original poster, thanks for sharing you new car purchase with us. You didn't come in here and bash MS3's. You were not rude, you just got a new ride and wanted to talk to your Mazda peeps about it. I for one love all kinds of cars so thanks for stirring up conversation about a somewhat rare vehicle.

I'd still have kept the MS3 but thats not the point of your thread. I get that. It's a shame that some others don't.

[///M Compact]

I'm perfectly sane. I don't need meds. It would seem like you need a hobby of some sort though since you have nothing better to do than come into threads and provoke people needlessly. Renzokuken noticed it and so did I. You bust in here the first thing you do is start talking trash about the original poster and his only caring about "1/4 mile times" and talking other such nonsense. These forums are a less pleasant place to be because of buffoons like you.

It's sad really.

To the original poster, thanks for sharing you new car purchase with us. You didn't come in here and bash MS3's. You were not rude, you just got a new ride and wanted to talk to your Mazda peeps about it. I for one love all kinds of cars so thanks for stirring up conversation about a somewhat rare vehicle.

I'd still have kept the MS3 but thats not the point of your thread. I get that. It's a shame that some others don't.

X100,000,000

[15min5k]

X100,000,000\

-100,000,001 = + 1 I win :)

[happy and angry]

\

-100,000,001 = + 1 I win :)
Your math doesn't work out here, and I'm having trouble figuring out what you are saying.

Is the " \ " a typo, and you are saying that 100,000,000 - 100,000,001 = 1 and you win? Because that's dumb, it equals -1 (and you're losing).

Did you mean to use the "\" and are you saying that 100,000,000 / -100,000,001 = 1 and you win? Because that is also dumb, it equals -0.9999 repeating (and while it is a smaller degree of fail, you are still losing).

Help a brother understand your bizarre "new" math.

[Alexsered]

what is the point of this thread anymore?

[GoFast]

the point, alexsered, is that the op got a new car and 15min guy has a reason to start getting mad again at the internet people.

i will say this though, aside from his math being off, his last joke was pretty funny. i chuckled

[LazerBlueP5]

Thanks all for calling 15minute5k on his cr@p. The truth is that I love Mazda and have enjoyed both cars I've owned: Protege5 (hence my original screen name from many years ago) and the Mazdaspeed3. However I'm a car fanatic nut "just" a Mazda fanatic.

I think some people almost get offended when someone trades a car in that they own and love. Almost as if it's downing the car or their decision to buy one. This is certainly not the case. In reality I wish I could have traded my H3 in for the SRT-6 rather than the MS3. People have to keep in mind the Mazda was never fully a daily driver for me. I wanted something fast that was livable from day to day (but not necessarily EVERY day)- certainly not in sub zero temps and snow like it is here in NJ right now.

I'm just sharing my excitement for a car that seems to be a hidden gem. Amazing performance at a wonderful price. I know a lot of people on here are performance oriented thus the great deal of talk was about it's 1/4 performance at the track. After all that's what got me to notice the vehicle in the first place.

PS I just did my first mod, a Needswings Intake which adds similar power as the Cobb SRI on the Mazda. 30hp/20ft/lbs Most have found 12's easily attainable with this single mod. The best I've seen was a 12.7 with only a Needswings intake.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/LazerBlueP5/Needswings.JPG

[Donas64]

looks sweek. You need to get that cover polished and shiny!

[LazerBlueP5]

looks sweek. You need to get that cover polished and shiny!

Thanks. Yeah tell me about it- oxidized to all h*ll. (iagree) It's been pretty cold here, and about 5-10 minutes in I start to lose feeling in my hands. I hate the winter. Any product you recommend? Just a basic metal polish?

[15min5k]

Thanks all for calling 15minute5k on his cr@p. The truth is that I love Mazda and have enjoyed both cars I've owned: Protege5 (hence my original screen name from many years ago) and the Mazdaspeed3. However I'm a car fanatic nut "just" a Mazda fanatic.

I think some people almost get offended when someone trades a car in that they own and love. Almost as if it's downing the car or their decision to buy one. This is certainly not the case. In reality I wish I could have traded my H3 in for the SRT-6 rather than the MS3. People have to keep in mind the Mazda was never fully a daily driver for me. I wanted something fast that was livable from day to day (but not necessarily EVERY day)- certainly not in sub zero temps and snow like it is here in NJ right now.

I'm just sharing my excitement for a car that seems to be a hidden gem. Amazing performance at a wonderful price. I know a lot of people on here are performance oriented thus the great deal of talk was about it's 1/4 performance at the track. After all that's what got me to notice the vehicle in the first place.

PS I just did my first mod, a Needswings Intake which adds similar power as the Cobb SRI on the Mazda. 30hp/20ft/lbs Most have found 12's easily attainable with this single mod. The best I've seen was a 12.7 with only a Needswings intake.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/LazerBlueP5/Needswings.JPG

You just got mad because I don't like the fact that you traded in a car with a manual tranny for an automatic (not a twin clutch gear box with paddle shifters mounted behind the steering wheel) This is a public forum and there's no law for expressing opinions. It's almost like you made this thread to somehow justify your purchase and get a bunch of positive feedback. Newsflash! Not everyone is going to like your stuff (some will say they do just to make you feel better and are jump on the bandwagon) as some of the ppl on this forum are notorious for doing. Anyhow, I did nothing wrong and in the future don't go making threads expecting everyone to agree / like what you did or purchased. My opinion is my opinion, if you don't like it my advice is to just read all the positive ones because obviously your feelings get hurt pretty easily. Besides, big deal man, so what if I don't like your new car because obviously everyone else does. I'm just one person don't take it so personal.

[15min5k]

I believe the MS3 is a hatchback not a station wagon. And while they may be very different cars on the surface, they both are designed to go fast and handle well. It's not a logical comparison, but it's not out of the question. I'd love to see them both go around a track like laguna seca stock for stock and see what turns in faster lap times.

The Mazdaspeed3 is faster around Laguna Seca and is actually considered a quicker car overall (although very close!). Attached link explains:

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=45c81efb18f1d&car2=458a7dd85127d

[cpmazda]

The Mazdaspeed3 is faster around Laguna Seca and is actually considered a quicker car overall (although very close!). Attached link explains:

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=45c81efb18f1d&car2=458a7dd85127d

how does that chart make any sense with the comment at the bottom? all the track times are super close, and the s2000 is faster in almost every acceleration catagory, yet it says at the bottom the mazda is noticeably faster???????? doesnt seem right. I would take a s2000 over the mazda any day of the week!

[cpmazda]

what is the point of this thread anymore?

how bout them bruins?! great game tues night!

[LazerBlueP5]

It's a slush box but you seem to care mostly about 1/4 times so I suppose it wouldn't matter much to you. How much cargo / ppl can you fit in that thing btw?

Now you are arguing cargo capacity?! *sigh*

[happy and angry]

The Mazdaspeed3 is faster around Laguna Seca and is actually considered a quicker car overall (although very close!). Attached link explains:Remember that time you were obsessively fanboyish about your car and got three accounts banned in the span of about a month, pissed off a huge majority of the posters on these forums to the point where every thread you were being a twat in got flooded with people calling you stupid, and got into huge PM wars with people you didn't like? I sure do. Think you're heading down the same road here, giving a guy shit for doing what he wants with his car, his money, and his time?

You never learn, cupcake.

[RC08MS3]

nice car bro, not liken the color or the make, but none the less its got speed to it so its all good. have fun

[LazerBlueP5]

nice car bro, not liken the color or the make, but none the less its got speed to it so its all good. have fun

Thanks- I'm not fond of the make either- I never been a fan of anything Chrysler made sans the 300 SRT-8.

[cpmazda]

the crossfire is the only car EVER that I have seen offering 84 month 0% financing. they cant give those things away

[TRDMS3]

who fucking cares, this thread shouldnt even be on a mazda forum, nevertheless got some publicity.

good buy blue, moving on...

[LazerBlueP5]

who fucking cares, this thread shouldnt even be on a mazda forum, nevertheless got some publicity.

good buy blue, moving on...

Thanks for the bump TRDMS3. (cool)

[15min5k]

You just got mad because I don't like the fact that you traded in a car with a manual tranny for an automatic (not a twin clutch gear box with paddle shifters mounted behind the steering wheel) This is a public forum and there's no law for expressing opinions. It's almost like you made this thread to somehow justify your purchase and get a bunch of positive feedback. Newsflash! Not everyone is going to like your stuff (some will say they do just to make you feel better and are jump on the bandwagon) as some of the ppl on this forum are notorious for doing. Anyhow, I did nothing wrong and in the future don't go making threads expecting everyone to agree / like what you did or purchased. My opinion is my opinion, if you don't like it my advice is to just read all the positive ones because obviously your feelings get hurt pretty easily. Besides, big deal man, so what if I don't like your new car because obviously everyone else does. I'm just one person don't take it so personal.


This is true!

[15min5k]

Now you are arguing cargo capacity?! *sigh*

No, I was just curious! What's your deal???

[15min5k]

(beer)
Remember that time you were obsessively fanboyish about your car and got three accounts banned in the span of about a month, pissed off a huge majority of the posters on these forums to the point where every thread you were being a twat in got flooded with people calling you stupid, and got into huge PM wars with people you didn't like? I sure do. Think you're heading down the same road here, giving a guy shit for doing what he wants with his car, his money, and his time?

You never learn, cupcake.

Why are you quoting my answer to someone else's question?? My answer was correct btw. Sounds like you got a personal problem man, I'm not giving anyone shit unless your lacking in the reading comprehesion dept, cupcake :)

[LazerBlueP5]

(beer)

Why are you quoting my answer to someone else's question?? My answer was correct btw. Sounds like you got a personal problem man, I'm not giving anyone shit unless your lacking in the reading comprehesion dept, cupcake :)


14min5k, you are a bonified troll. lol Congrats. (smash)

[fastdreams]

I want a w211. Not really relevant to your thread. :)

But it is an AMG with an auto so it kinda is relevant.

[boostdog]

Originally Posted by 15min5k
You just got mad because I don't like the fact that you traded in a car with a manual tranny for an automatic (not a twin clutch gear box with paddle shifters mounted behind the steering wheel) This is a public forum and there's no law for expressing opinions. It's almost like you made this thread to somehow justify your purchase and get a bunch of positive feedback. Newsflash! Not everyone is going to like your stuff (some will say they do just to make you feel better and are jump on the bandwagon) as some of the ppl on this forum are notorious for doing. Anyhow, I did nothing wrong and in the future don't go making threads expecting everyone to agree / like what you did or purchased. My opinion is my opinion, if you don't like it my advice is to just read all the positive ones because obviously your feelings get hurt pretty easily. Besides, big deal man, so what if I don't like your new car because obviously everyone else does. I'm just one person don't take it so personal.


This is true!

Did you just quote yourself? what the heck is wrong with you ...wow!

OP enjoy your car and if you ever see 15min5k in real life please be nice to him...i bet he's actually a really nice guy trying to make it through life as a retarted miget (group)


i kid i kid! but this forum is ever so entertaining sometimes!

[leadf00t]

The thread that wont die, guess I'll add to my post count.

[CHICO2003]

that engine bay's got some crazy potential!! clean up that sucker and post some new pics. LOOOOVE the inline 6 (that is what it.. is right? lol)

[Donas64]

that engine bay's got some crazy potential!! clean up that sucker and post some new pics. LOOOOVE the inline 6 (that is what it.. is right? lol)

I aggree. I love how the supercharger is nestles all in their. Polished valve cover would look sah-wheet!

At what speed does the rear spoiler deploy? Got anymore pics yet?

[LazerBlueP5]

I'm waiting for the weather to get better and hit it with a paste metal polish to clean off all the oxidization. It's going to be tough with the grate-style top of the supercharger. I'm planning on upgrading the upper manifolds as well which will make polishing them mute. lol

Unfortunately they aren't as pretty as the forged stock "SRT-6" logo'd manis but they do add 40hp!

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r309/importlabsrt4/IMG_0235.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r309/importlabsrt4/IMG_0234.jpg

[LazerBlueP5]

The thread that wont die, guess I'll add to my post count.

Bah, post count is overrated. I'm still in the 600's and I've been a member since 2002. ;)

[15min5k]

Well the engine bay looks nice!

[CHICO2003]

I aggree. I love how the supercharger is nestles all in their. Polished valve cover would look sah-wheet!

At what speed does the rear spoiler deploy? Got anymore pics yet?


Pretty sure the base crossfire is the only one that deploys at a fixed speed... this one's fixed

[boostdog]

i vote for polishing out the stockers! they look nice! ...plus that gives you more $ for mods...get an exhaust on that bad boy asap!

[boostdog]

Pretty sure the base crossfire is the only one that deploys at a fixed speed... this one's fixed

he's correct it's fixed on the srt model(iagree)


the only complaints that i had about the srt6 was the navigation...you can't play anything else except the navi disks as it's a single disk player, you would have thought they would have put a 6 disk in it so you can load a map and still listen to some tunes and the rear vis. is horrible...but i could over look both and will be getting one in the future as a toy!

[LazerBlueP5]

i vote for polishing out the stockers! they look nice! ...plus that gives you more $ for mods...get an exhaust on that bad boy asap!

Are you referring to the manis? If so these ones are much, MUCH larger than stock- I don't think porting/polishing stockers would even come close. Though I like the "look" of the stockers.

Regarding the exhaust- I mentioned this earlier, but it seems no one is doing them on their 6's. Either they don't have much of a performance increase or no one makes a good full exhaust for the SRT. Even the guys running 11's are on stock exhaust. However that makes me wonder if doing the exhaust would put them over the top to break the 11.8/11.7 barrier they are seeing w/o spray.

I know upgrading the DP on the STi and Mazdaspeed yielded HUGE gains. I wonder how different this engine w/ SC is compared to turbo cars?

[LazerBlueP5]

he's correct it's fixed on the srt model(iagree)


the only complaints that i had about the srt6 was the navigation...you can't play anything else except the navi disks as it's a single disk player, you would have thought they would have put a 6 disk in it so you can load a map and still listen to some tunes and the rear vis. is horrible...but i could over look both and will be getting one in the future as a toy!

Yeah sorry- it's fixed. I sort of like the stock one that hides, better.

lol...the stock in-headunit nav is a joke. I don't see why anyone would use that over an aftermarket garmin or similar.

[cpmazda]

Are you referring to the manis? If so these ones are much, MUCH larger than stock- I don't think porting/polishing stockers would even come close. Though I like the "look" of the stockers.

Regarding the exhaust- I mentioned this earlier, but it seems no one is doing them on their 6's. Either they don't have much of a performance increase or no one makes a good full exhaust for the SRT. Even the guys running 11's are on stock exhaust. However that makes me wonder if doing the exhaust would put them over the top to break the 11.8/11.7 barrier they are seeing w/o spray.

I know upgrading the DP on the STi and Mazdaspeed yielded HUGE gains. I wonder how different this engine w/ SC is compared to turbo cars?

being a v-6 gives it a huge advantage over the stis 2.5 and the speed3s 2.3. The dp does make a huge difference tho, with a tune the dp makes approx 45 whp and 85wtq on the sti

[LazerBlueP5]

being a v-6 gives it a huge advantage over the stis 2.5 and the speed3s 2.3. The dp does make a huge difference tho, with a tune the dp makes approx 45 whp and 85wtq on the sti

Oh...I know! I had an 05 STi w/ Cobb Stage2- it was nice!

[cpmazda]

Oh...I know! I had an 05 STi w/ Cobb Stage2- it was nice!

those suckers screw! I have yet to meet anyone with a speed3 that has similar mods, but i'm sure it would make a big difference as well

[builthatch]

I know upgrading the DP on the STi and Mazdaspeed yielded HUGE gains. I wonder how different this engine w/ SC is compared to turbo cars?

well, there isn't a downpipe on your car, but, i can guarantee nice equal length properly r&d'd headers would show you nice increases when running increased boost. i can 100% guarantee that.

the problem is...there is no market for it, and the cost to really R&D that would be silly considering how small that market is UNLESS....someone, somewhere makes headers for the Mercedes that engine came in. THAT is a more viable market.

for instance, check this out. they aren't equal length, but they certainly are claiming some gains for the blown 3.2 and the maker claims compatibility with the srt6 - http://www.mbworld.org/forums/c32-amg-c55-amg-w203/277709-vrp-headers-ecu-winter-special-c32-c320-slk32-slk320.html#post3271498

[LazerBlueP5]

well, there isn't a downpipe on your car, but, i can guarantee nice equal length properly r&d'd headers would show you nice increases when running increased boost. i can 100% guarantee that.

the problem is...there is no market for it, and the cost to really R&D that would be silly considering how small that market is UNLESS....someone, somewhere makes headers for the Mercedes that engine came in. THAT is a more viable market.

for instance, check this out. they aren't equal length, but they certainly are claiming some gains for the blown 3.2 and the maker claims compatibility with the srt6 - http://www.mbworld.org/forums/c32-amg-c55-amg-w203/277709-vrp-headers-ecu-winter-special-c32-c320-slk32-slk320.html#post3271498

Interesting- I'll check into that! I just ordered my Johnson Intercooler Pump upgrade and will be ordering the 178 ASP pulley when I get back from my honeymoon next week. Oh yeah my wedding is on Saturday- wish me luck! *dead man walking*

PS The newest craze is a Hight Stall Torque Converter just released by LET Peroformance: http://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=31424 To be honest I don't quite understand how it works.

[boostdog]

from what i gather it works just like any other stall convertor out there...higher revs off the line in 1st gear = faster overall times.

[Sport6]

Interesting- I'll check into that! I just ordered my Johnson Intercooler Pump upgrade and will be ordering the 178 ASP pulley when I get back from my honeymoon next week. Oh yeah my wedding is on Saturday- wish me luck! *dead man walking*

PS The newest craze is a Hight Stall Torque Converter just released by LET Peroformance: http://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=31424 To be honest I don't quite understand how it works.

Good luck on the wedding, where are you going for the honeymoon?

[Kain]

I just ordered my Johnson Intercooler Pump

I lawl'd.

[builthatch]

I lawl'd.

we all did.

http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2288006/penis-pump-main_Full.jpg

[LazerBlueP5]

we all did.

http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2288006/penis-pump-main_Full.jpg

(hand) OMG- totally set myself up on that one! LMAO!!!

[LazerBlueP5]

Good luck on the wedding, where are you going for the honeymoon?

Thanks man- Jamaica!

[LazerBlueP5]

Just an update- not that most of you care. Back from the honeymoon- and have the upgraded intercooler pump, cold air intake, and ASP 178 crank pulley kit installed. The same mod's my friend Chris had when he ran 12.2 at our local (Atco, NJ) track.

It is a monster! Sounds like a blast furnace at full throttle- and pulls harder than my other friend's C6 vette! I'm looking forward to a tune now and some runs at the track to see what kind of times I can get out of it!

[Donas64]

new pics asap!

[Saskatchewan17]

Nice... I always thought the Chryslers were, well... not that great actually when they were new. Buying secondhand makes a lot more sense though. It's a pretty rare car too. Did any other Chrysler vehicle wear the SRT-6 badge?

--- sorry for the late comment I didn't realize how old the thread was. It seems that most have detered from your car to penis enlargers.

[boostdog]

man i was looking at srt6's on ebay the other day...they had a convert model with less than 2k miles on it...was only at 16 grand. if someone got it for that price what a steal!

and yes we need pics asap and get that thing to the track i want to see what it can do.

[LazerBlueP5]

Nice... I always thought the Chryslers were, well... not that great actually when they were new. Buying secondhand makes a lot more sense though. It's a pretty rare car too. Did any other Chrysler vehicle wear the SRT-6 badge?

--- sorry for the late comment I didn't realize how old the thread was. It seems that most have detered from your car to penis enlargers.

Yeah just one- the 300C SRT-8. Keep in mind the Crossfire isn't truly a Chrysler it's a rebadged Mercedes SLK32 AMG.

[LazerBlueP5]

man i was looking at srt6's on ebay the other day...they had a convert model with less than 2k miles on it...was only at 16 grand. if someone got it for that price what a steal!

and yes we need pics asap and get that thing to the track i want to see what it can do.

Yeah the prices on these things are ridiculous! I bought one for my wife but not the SRT- a Limited Roadster (black with rust colored leather interior). Only had 12k on the odo as well and garage kept...immaculate condition, not a single scratch. Checked Chrysler's website and Roadsters start over 40k. We pick ours up for 16,500.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/LazerBlueP5/roadster_debadged.jpg

I really wanted to get another SRT but their weren't any available in a 100 mile radius at the time- plus they are about 8k more expensive in roadster trim (w/ similar miles).

I'd love to share pics of mine but right now it's dirty as sin and it's not even sporting it's stock SRT-6 rims. I bought a set of standard Limited wheels off ebay for $250! They are scratched to h*ll but I'm using them for my winter set up.

I'll try and take some pics to share- but keep in mind there are NO aesthetic mods whatsoever. I plan to keep it that way- I'm more interested in the "go" rather than the "show". Besides it's got about 4-5 dings and various light scratches throughout the body and a front bumper cover who's bottom is dimpled from the previous owner hitting a parking curb. I'm border-line obsessive compulsive so these existing blemishes keep me away from doing anything aesthetic. I'd want the finish ding free and clear of scratches before I invest in wheels, tint, etc. The one thing I AM doing is installing the SRT-6 fender badges. They had them OEM on the 06 SRT-6's (all 200 of them sold in America).

If you are truly interested in picking one up you WON'T be disappointed. I'm a previous STi owner myself. I know it's crazy to say but despite it only being RWD and Automatic it's more fun than my Cobb Stage 2 '05 STi was...and I LOVED that car! On the highway it pulls harder than anything I've ever driven or driven in. 50-100 is a blink, and it keeps pulling! I don't know if your STi is set up differently but mine felt to lose steam above 85-90.

PS Looking forward to the Tune next. It should squeeze the most amount of HP for the mods I did thus far. I'm determined to hit 11's in spring. I'll be sure to post videos and slips regardless of the actual outcome at the track.

[Donas64]

sounds like a blast! Someday, I too will have a fast car.

[LazerBlueP5]

sounds like a blast! Someday, I too will have a fast car.

Had to check your profile to see what you drive. I used to have a P5, thus the user name from 2002. ;) Great little car, I actually miss it- would make a really great DD right now. PS We have other things in common- Graphic Design and are Christians. Very cool.

[Donas64]

Had to check your profile to see what you drive. I used to have a P5, thus the user name from 2002. ;) Great little car, I actually miss it- would make a really great DD right now. PS We have other things in common- Graphic Design and are Christians. Very cool.

Excellent. Now all I need is a fast car and then we can be like brothers! :)

I love my P5 most of the time, then there are times when I have to merge on the highway quickly and I curse the day it was manufactured!

[Lil_vicious559]

No offense but I've read your posts and for some reason I'm having a hard time understanding you.
(1st) you say you didn't like the MS3 because of the 3rd gear issues, which is understandable.
2nd) Why in the heck would you trade your MS3 for 17K could of easily traded it for 19-20k elsewhere with that amount of low miles.
(3rd) how do you go from a STi-MS3 to a SRT6
(4th) You went from a sedan/5door hatch to a 2seater....could understand if it was a S2K,350Z,Vette for that matter.
(5th) If you were looking for a Monster street car, you picked the wrong car(chair)
(6th) It's you're money and your choice, I'm just trying to justify how someone can do that. That's like going from Eva Longoria yet she can't nuke Your corndog, to Christina Ricci because she can give you a quickie a lot faster than Eva.....lol







I can build a 12.1-12.4 second for LESS than the price it is to buy a 2005-newer S2k.

This is what i don't understand about you..........
I can buy a used Toyota MR-2 and put about 10grand and smoke 12-sec car's. What's you're point!!(dunno)

[Saskatchewan17]

Yeah just one- the 300C SRT-8. Keep in mind the Crossfire isn't truly a Chrysler it's a rebadged Mercedes SLK32 AMG.

No I meant did any Chrysler corp. (Dodge, Jeep, Chrysler) car ever wear the SRT-"6" model designation?

[martyxcore]

i think the cars awesome man. ive never in my life seen a srt crossfire. i didnt know they existed. i never liked the look of them much but after reading this thread i could see the look growing on me and wow you cant beat that price for the performance and a amg motor. the auto though i dont know if i could get used to but i just thought id throw some positive support since there seems to be so many haters. get us some pics and vid for sure. whats the interior look like.

[LazerBlueP5]

*sigh* here we go again
(1st)- there were things I didn't like about the MS3 however by and large I enjoyed the car and wont hesitate to pick up another one in the future to use as a daily driver

(2nd)- I tried at a few dealers- no one was willing to give KBB used pricing on trades- they ended up selling it for the used trade in value to a new member here as a matter of fact (ie much lower than used market value).

(3rd) Because I didn't go from STI to MS3 to SRT-6. I actually traded my STi for a Honda Element. :) I bought a house back in 07 so, at the time, the mortgage and STi payments/insurance were too much. I had an S2k too and enjoyed it but ultimately traded it for a Hummer H3- which is now my DD and vehicle I use for my business. I needed something that could drive in all weather and large enough to carry all my video production gear.

(4th)- You said: "You went from a sedan/5door hatch to a 2seater....could understand if it was a S2K,350Z,Vette for that matter. Why would you understand if it were an S2k, 350z, or Vette? Because you personally like those cars more? Well... I personally like the SRT-6 better. It's quicker than the Honda and Nissan stock vs. stock and with the two bolt ons it's quite a bit faster than a C6 vette- at a lower price tag than all of them (including my mods).

(5th) I wasn't looking for a "monster" street car from the MS3- however something a little closer to my previous STi would have been nice. The performance gains from Cobbs kit was devastating to me- I bought the car about a year before Cobb released it's AP for it with specific anticipation for it. Additionally FWD cars are far from the best monster street cars- It has major traction problems with stock power levels yet alone adding aftermarket power. When I traded my MS3 in it wasn't being used as a DD. I wanted a fun fast car that was easy to make MUCH faster. The SRT-6 fits those categories. 19k for the car- 3k in basic bolt ons= a 22k car which is a relatively reliable daily driver that is capable of pulling 11.9's on street tires and pump gas (and no nitrous).

(6th) You said: "It's you're money and your choice,--- well there you go then, you answered you own question.

"I'm just trying to justify how someone can do that."--- huh? See above quote. lol

"That's like going from Eva Longoria yet she can't nuke Your corndog, to Christina Ricci because she can give you a quickie a lot faster than Eva.....lol"--- lol, that's quite possibly the most flawed analogy I've ever seen. You are analogizing the Speed3 to Eva and SRT-6 to Ricci?! I think it's the other way around- the SRT-6 is a 45k car which is actually a Mercedes AMG vehicle. (screwy)

"This is what i don't understand about you..........
I can buy a used Toyota MR-2 and put about 10grand and smoke 12-sec car's. What's you're point!!(dunno)"
I don't want a major project. Making the MR-2 or any other older cheap vehicle "smoke 12-sec cars" is a huge undertaking. My car is whisper quiet w/ stock exhaust, stock interior, runs on street tires, and pump gas yet can smoke the likes of Challenger SRT-8's, Audi R8s, and C6 LS3 Vettes- what's not to love? ;) The mods I did can be done in few hours on a weekend in a friend's garage with limited mechanical knowledge. Try that with your 12-sec.-car- beating MR2. (hippy)


No offense but I've read your posts and for some reason I'm having a hard time understanding you.
(1st) you say you didn't like the MS3 because of the 3rd gear issues, which is understandable.
2nd) Why in the heck would you trade your MS3 for 17K could of easily traded it for 19-20k elsewhere with that amount of low miles.
(3rd) how do you go from a STi-MS3 to a SRT6
(4th) You went from a sedan/5door hatch to a 2seater....could understand if it was a S2K,350Z,Vette for that matter.
(5th) If you were looking for a Monster street car, you picked the wrong car(chair)
(6th) It's you're money and your choice, I'm just trying to justify how someone can do that. That's like going from Eva Longoria yet she can't nuke Your corndog, to Christina Ricci because she can give you a quickie a lot faster than Eva.....lol








This is what i don't understand about you..........
I can buy a used Toyota MR-2 and put about 10grand and smoke 12-sec car's. What's you're point!!(dunno)

[LazerBlueP5]

No I meant did any Chrysler corp. (Dodge, Jeep, Chrysler) car ever wear the SRT-"6" model designation?

Other than the Crossfire- no. Several SRT-4's and 8's though.

[LazerBlueP5]

i think the cars awesome man. ive never in my life seen a srt crossfire. i didnt know they existed.
I knew about them because, when I owned my STi, I read in the back of Car & Driver (in the performance listings) that the Crossfire was a bit faster than my STi stock for stock! I was amazed. However at the time I thought it was the normal Crossfire. I wasn't aware of an SRT-6 version either. lol


i never liked the look of them much but after reading this thread i could see the look growing on me and wow you cant beat that price for the performance and a amg motor.
I always liked certain angles of it. Profile- for sure, love the aggressive stock wheel setup (18's/19's). I like the rear w/ center exiting exhaust as well. However was never fond of the Chysler styling in the front complete with grill and hood strakes. Still don't like it but it's not as appalling as before. lol

the auto though i dont know if i could get used to
That was the biggest negative about the car at first. However now I love it! There is nothing worse than a slow auto car- however a really fast one is fun and VERY easy to drive fast. No more missed shifts and non-existent 3rd gears!

but i just thought id throw some positive support since there seems to be so many haters.
Ah, no sweat. Most of it can be chalked to to one of three things: brand loyalty, jealousy, or ignorance. Most of them will change their tune if they see me at the track. (first)


get us some pics and vid for sure. whats the interior look like.
Will do- right now there is close to 10 inches of snow on it. (rant)

[LazerBlueP5]

UPDATE: I FINALLY GOT TO RUN IT IN THE 1/4 TONIGHT-

I only have two mods done so far (CAI and Pulley) no tune yet. Additionally I'm currently running Crossfire Limited rims w/ Eagle F1 All-Season tires (my winter setup).

The night was very cold (38-37 degrees) and on top of that the track had cones in the middle of the staging area causing you to start in the hole to one of the far edges of the track, outside of the standard "groove". Needless to say traction was a huge problem, possibly because of "where" we were forcing us to line up at the track- possibly because of the low temps (cold track)- and possibly because of the "All"-season tires. Though I'd have to assume it's a little bit of each coupled with an inexperienced driver (me). :D

Anyway here's what I got-

FIRST RUN: Took off out of the hole at full throttle, big no no apparently- fishtailed the whole way through my 60ft. I did however beat the fox-body Mustang I was pitted against. lol Terrible times.
60ft- 2.327
1/4- 13.8
MPH- 107.39
ouch!!!

SECOND RUN: Took off at partial throttle before I pinned the pedal. It felt like much less slippage however the 60ft wasn't much better. (I lost to a GTO w/ nitrous by .4 sec)
60ft- 2.156
1/4- 12.95
MPH- 108.94

THIRD RUN (final): Had to cut it short with my 3rd run because my wife was frozen solid spectating in the crowd. She sent me some not so nice reminders via text message how cold she was. lol I felt like I got out of the hole about as good (if that's what you want to call it) as the second run but got a better time but slower trap. (I got smoked by a late-model firebird by 7/10ths who trapped at 116)
60ft- ???? (didn't record for the left lane)
1/4- 12.82
MPH- 107.91

Overall I'm disappointed but I had to keep in mind if I'm using Chris (who usually runs 11.9) as a control/reference he was having trouble hooking up and was seeing less than stellar trap speeds as well. However he had 1-day old summer tires he just got installed on his. The combination of the cold-weather vs summer tires, and the fact they were brand new (not even broken in) may of had something to do with it.

Anyway I'm hoping with a warmer track and summer tires I can pull a 12.7-12.5 with the CAI and ASP Pulley. I'll probably finally get around to getting a tune for it before I run it again- hopefully then I'll see low 12's. Then maybe manis, h/e upgrade, and another tune to get me into the 11-second-club. Though that may be wishful thinking. Either way, even though my times weren't stellar- it was my first time running a car at a track in over 10 years, and I still had fun regardless. If it wasn't as cold and I had unlimited times I probably would have ran it 10x to get the launch mechanics down right.


PS I saw one Black MS3 at the track (Atco NJ) tonight- I wonder if it was someone here. I didn't see him run, unfortunately.

[martyxcore]

id say 12.8 and under 40 degrees is nothing to gripe about.

[CHICO2003]

Yeah... that's a great time. Thing is... it's an automatic right? Don't take this the wrong way but... where's the fun in that? I remember the first time I went to the track... it was pathetic. My time was like 18... thought I could shift but clearly I was wrong. But with practice, I got it down to where all the pubs had it. (Sentra SE-R for what it's worth) Now if the car had been automatic... shit... I guess I would've just punched it and waited for the 14-15 seconds to go by. That said... 12.8 is ridiculous! congrats

[Donas64]

Yeah... that's a great time. Thing is... it's an automatic right? Don't take this the wrong way but... where's the fun in that? I remember the first time I went to the track... it was pathetic. My time was like 18... thought I could shift but clearly I was wrong. But with practice, I got it down to where all the pubs had it. (Sentra SE-R for what it's worth) Now if the car had been automatic... shit... I guess I would've just punched it and waited for the 14-15 seconds to go by. That said... 12.8 is ridiculous! congrats

The fun is that you get to see how fast your car can get down the track. If I had a fast automatic, I'd take it to the drag strip too.

Is it as involved as a stick? Probably not, but I'm sure it's still fun to blast down a drag strip legally.

[CHICO2003]

True. I guess I was just pointing out the general lack of skill needed in taking an AT to the drag. Part of the 'fun' of going to the drag is challenging yourself to get the best time. How do you do this? Well, one of the way includes hitting every gear at the exact right time as quickly as possible. It's not as easy as it seems... especially when the pressure's on. But again, it's part of the fun. Otherwise... you're just hitting the gas and hanging on. Might as well be a passenger.


Sidenote: It's ironic how most people think a standard is faster than an automatic. Sure, if you know what you're doing! Otherwise, with virtually no margin for error with an automatic - the auto could be the faster option.

[dizzin9]

bwahahaha!!! i'm sorry, i would NEVER trade my speed for this piece of shit

[boosted1]

I think this thread should be euthanized. It has definitely run it's course.(gun)

[happy and angry]

Are you kidding me? This thread is magical. It has brought all the idiots out of the wood work, people who aren't fans of cars but of their own emotional attachment and ego associated with cars. It's helping me make a list of people who aren't worth my time on here.

Dude comes on and says "I traded in my MS3 and I bought a car I really like and am happy with" and the response has ranged between "JUDAS!!!" and "slushbox lol" and "crysler lol." It's an amazing spectacle to watch.

[boosted1]

Are you kidding me? This thread is magical. It has brought all the idiots out of the wood work, people who aren't fans of cars but of their own emotional attachment and ego associated with cars. It's helping me make a list of people who aren't worth my time on here.
In those respects, you have a good point.

[Donas64]

Are you kidding me? This thread is magical. It has brought all the idiots out of the wood work, people who aren't fans of cars but of their own emotional attachment and ego associated with cars. It's helping me make a list of people who aren't worth my time on here.

Dude comes on and says "I traded in my MS3 and I bought a car I really like and am happy with" and the response has ranged between "JUDAS!!!" and "slushbox lol" and "crysler lol." It's an amazing spectacle to watch.

I totally agree. I for one am a fan of cars. Fast, slow, manual, auto, mazda, chrysler whatever.

Simple solution for those who don't care about this forum member and his purchase: unsubscribe.

I'm still subbin for pics!!!!!

[Donas64]

bwahahaha!!! i'm sorry, i would NEVER trade my speed for this piece of shit

As much as I love the MS3 (and I love it a lot) the funny thing is His POS would whoop your MS3 at a dragstrip and around a road course.

That said, I'd still rather have an MS3 but the SRT-6 is in no way a POS. But you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

[dizzin9]

As much as I love the MS3 (and I love it a lot) the funny thing is His POS would whoop your MS3 at a dragstrip and around a road course.

That said, I'd still rather have an MS3 but the SRT-6 is in no way a POS. But you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

i'm sorry, i really don't care if its faster. like seriously, you think people buy ms3's solely because of speed? eh... dollar per dollar my car is better. ANY CHRYSLER = DOODOO. might as well buy a $500 civic and soup it up if that's what you want... and it will be in the 10's

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

Its the same thread over and over again. If hes happy with the car then more power to him. With two mods hes running faster than 90% of this forum he enjoys the car, and overall hes happy. More power to him. Personally i absolutely despise wagons which is the main reason i dont have an ms3.

[Donas64]

i'm sorry, i really don't care if its faster. like seriously, you think people buy ms3's solely because of speed? eh... dollar per dollar my car is better. ANY CHRYSLER = DOODOO. might as well buy a $500 civic and soup it up if that's what you want... and it will be in the 10's

Maybe you missed the part where I said I'd like the MS3 more.

[happy and angry]

i'm sorry, i really don't care if its faster. like seriously, you think people buy ms3's solely because of speed? eh... dollar per dollar my car is better. ANY CHRYSLER = DOODOO. might as well buy a $500 civic and soup it up if that's what you want... and it will be in the 10'sThe bland outrage that motivates you to speak up about someone else's car just to call it crap and tell them their taste is terrible is the sort of PTA soccer mom impotent fury I'd prefer not to have to read on a forum about cars. Stow it, cupcake, and let the adults talk.

[LazerBlueP5]

Yeah... that's a great time. Thing is... it's an automatic right? Don't take this the wrong way but... where's the fun in that? I remember the first time I went to the track... it was pathetic. My time was like 18... thought I could shift but clearly I was wrong. But with practice, I got it down to where all the pubs had it. (Sentra SE-R for what it's worth) Now if the car had been automatic... shit... I guess I would've just punched it and waited for the 14-15 seconds to go by. That said... 12.8 is ridiculous! congrats

I agree somewhat. However as you may know the biggest "skill" in drag racing is getting the launch down. That includes knowing what pressure to run the tires (which reminds me I have to try dropping mine), knowing how long to burnout w/ slicks vs street tires, and most importantly what RPM to launch at and how to feather the throttle through 1st gear. My first run I pinned it at the line and was wobbling all the way through my 60ft.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy the tactile feel of driving a stick too. However this is the first truly powerful auto I've ever driven- and to tell you the truth it isn't bad. However if there WAS a manual available I would have opted for that in a heartbeat. All in all it's the most fun auto I've ever driven- it's so easy to drive fast, on the highway just point n' shoot.

[LazerBlueP5]

Are you kidding me? This thread is magical. It has brought all the idiots out of the wood work, people who aren't fans of cars but of their own emotional attachment and ego associated with cars. It's helping me make a list of people who aren't worth my time on here.

Dude comes on and says "I traded in my MS3 and I bought a car I really like and am happy with" and the response has ranged between "JUDAS!!!" and "slushbox lol" and "crysler lol." It's an amazing spectacle to watch.

AMEN agreed 110%

[LazerBlueP5]

i'm sorry, i really don't care if its faster. like seriously, you think people buy ms3's solely because of speed? eh... dollar per dollar my car is better. ANY CHRYSLER = DOODOO. might as well buy a $500 civic and soup it up if that's what you want... and it will be in the 10's

POS? Please explain exactly 'why' the car is a piece of sh*t. I'll sit here and listen to you dig your own grave. If it's a brand thing- obviously you don't realize that while the sheet metal and badges may indeed be "Chrysler" the engine and drivetrain are Mercedes AMG. Then again maybe someone with your blisteringly deep knowledge of everything automotive you'd conclude that AMGs are POS's too. lol

People don't buy MS3's solely because of speed?- I agree. However it's one of the major reasons- if not then they'd be buying a standard n/a 3 w/ GT options. If you didn't buy it with performance intentions why the CAI and BPV. Then again those can be chalked up as (aural) aesthetic mods much like your carbon fiber stick-ons.

If you can effectively explain why the SRT-6 is a piece of sh*t I'll change my opinion of you and actually garnish a bit of respect for you. Until then use your brain and process the bile before it spews from your lips. ;)

Finally- regarding your proposed concept of buying a $500 civic and making it go 10's. All the while very possible but not without extensive mods going far farrrr beyond basic bolt ons. The SRT-6 is a very good platform to start on- it's engine comes STOCK with forged internals and can be a quiet (stock exhaust), comfortable, reliable daily driver in the 11's with a few basic bolt-ons. You cannot say that about your $500 civic doing 10's.

[robin2660]

The bland outrage that motivates you to speak up about someone else's car just to call it crap and tell them their taste is terrible is the sort of PTA soccer mom impotent fury I'd prefer not to have to read on a forum about cars. Stow it, cupcake, and let the adults talk.

+1. There's a lot of children (should I say, "sub-adults"?) on this forum.

Edit: Wow, these things can be had $17-22K sub 40K miles!

[wisniaPl]

+1. There's a lot of children (should I say, "sub-adults"?) on this forum.

Edit: Wow, these things can be had $17-22K sub 40K miles!

Im sorry that Im not 40 like you......(braindead