Liquid to Air intercooler

[CAPTAINMORGAN]

Liquid to Air intercooler. Found this intercooler as i was lookin for parts for my Bad Ass mazdaspeed lol. i also been researching water to air intercoolers and there is nothing but positives.

http://www.turbinetech.ca/produit_detail.php?id=74&SESSID=e5e9937ad57fd8c848d126def7e53bc0&lang=AN


(five-0)

[Super Shredder]

a TMIC still eventually reaches a point where it cant do what a FMIC can do. it looks intense and sounds cool on youtube though i want it.

[lil_red_wagon]

a top mount air to water would be a major upgrade over an air to air top mount. air to water has a tendency to sustain higher hp, so other mods will always be supported. the main thing is that it will be more maintenance than air to air. more pay-out, but more maintenance also.

[GiJoe]

a little on the pricey side, pluss youd have to mount a coolant tank, but that fairly easy if you have the room, but just like the air to air they all have limitations to how much hp you want but definatly a good investment, if you can afford the long term expenses as well. I'm looking at puttin one one the galant, but like I said before pricey. lol

[CAPTAINMORGAN]

I E-mailed them a few days ago and this is what they sent me if any of you guys want an update:


Hello,

Thanks for your interest. We are almost done working on a better, more
efficient system. It should be ready within 2 weeks from now if all goes
well. More details will soon be released on the forums. Please stay tuned
for more details.

Regards

Jess Tremblay

R&D manager
Turbine Tech Inc
418 674 9191
www.turbinetech.ca

[GiJoe]

word keep us updated

[silver_speed6]

Who noticed that it said CANADIAN dollars?

[ms6acton]

canada FTW!! but only this time.. most of the time its canada FTL!! lol

[CAPTAINMORGAN]

This is from another Forum and another member just as interested as us. This is what his Email stated.


Hello Andy,



Our water intercooler setup has got many modifications in order to improve its efficiency, cost, appearance and ease of install. If all goes well, the final product should be ready within 2 weeks from now. I will be removing our actual setup from the website in the meantime. Our new setup features a slightly different intercooler for more hood clearance. There will also be a SS heat shield to keep heat soak away from the intercooler itself, along with a larger, more efficient heat exchanger. I wasn’t 100% happy with the old design so we started from scratch again. I simply want to make sure you get the best possible setup from Turbine Tech. Trust, me, it’ll be well worth the wait.





Jess Tremblay



R&D manager

Turbine Tech Inc

418 674 9191

www.turbinetech.ca

[SuperStretch18]

a TMIC still eventually reaches a point where it cant do what a FMIC can do. it looks intense and sounds cool on youtube though i want it.

It's not exactly a top mount, in the sense that an air-air intercooler is. The air cooler sits over the engine, so that the piping can be kept to a minimum (low lag). Water is then pumped to a heat exchange that usually sits in front of the radiator to cool the water.

A well designed water-air intercooler can get BATs down below ambient temp, which is awesome and something no air-air intercooler (front mount or otherwise) can do! There is more room for error though and the unit needs to be sized appropriately, or it can wind up being an inter-heater!

These guys seems to know what they are doing though. Ask about temp logs showing IAT, ambient temp and BAT and you will get a good idea whether this is worthwhile or not. (nana)

[silver_speed6]

Well, and air-water intercooler SHOULD be the most efficient. Considering H2O has the highest specific heat of any other liquid... that's why they use it to cool nuclear reactors - why not our 'speeds?? Even computers that are water cooled are more efficient than computers with standard fans.

[mdogg]

http://www.bellintercoolers.com/pages/techFAQ.html#FAQ_5 - good read (and they sell BOTH L/A and A/A intercoolers)

Heat soak can still happen to water-air ICs.... and the liquid still has to be cooled by AIR through a heat exchanger. I think the only real advantage of a good L/A IC is when you put ice in the reservoir for SUB-ambient temps cooling your charged air.

[Myriad]

Considering H2O has the highest specific heat of any other liquid...
Actually, ammonia has a higher specific heat (that's why it was one of the first refrigerants). Water is commonly used in component cooling because it does have a fairly high specific heat (well, it is the baseline of 1 at least), has an excellent flow rate, responds well to pressure changes, is abundant, and remains non toxic while doing it's job. When implemented properly a water cooling system will move right around 4 times the heat air will (specific heat of air is .24). Science class is over, back to the topic at hand... sorry about that.

[MATT DAMOND]

Here's some links to a pretty neat liquid intercooler system, It's a pricey set-up, but it could work with many turbo cars. They're from a Porsche parts site I frequently visit.
http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/INTERCOOLERTUBES.html
http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/HOWITWORKS.html
p.s. you might have to scroll around and high-light the page if you don't see the words.

[nazgul350r]

What is the pressure drop on the linsdeny tubes? I could not find it on the website. Very neat product.

[Anubis-MZD6]

Hey
just as a heads up. I ask Turbinetech when their liquid to air intercooler was coming out this was there reply:

"Thank you for your email and your interest in our products. We are into the
final stages of releasing our MS6 liquid intercooler set up. We will be
setting up a group buy shortly for the benefit of the Mazdaspeed community
with a substantial discount. More details will follow shortly. Please stay
tuned.

Best regards

Jess Tremblay"

[Rutedown]

substantial discount
I like the sound of that.

[Qwik6]

Nice. I heard they were completely re-designing the intercooler with a more efficient one.

[JaxJeff]

Nice. I heard they were completely re-designing the intercooler with a more efficient one.

Yeah Im sooo on that list ! So glad i havent upgraded intercooler yet !

[Anubis-MZD6]

It's a good thing that I'm in Iraq right now. If i wasn't I do think that I would actually taken out the time for this stuff.

Back to the email reply; I wish I would have ask for specifics on the TMIC. I know that the sell price last noted on the website was $899 CAN which is in the ball park of $730 USD. So if there are talking about big discount I'm hoping that its in the low $500 to $600 mark. But then again it might not be. Only time will tell the story on this one. We'll all fine out once they post the group buy

[JaxJeff]

It's a good thing that I'm in Iraq right now. If i wasn't I do think that I would actually taken out the time for this stuff.

Back to the email reply; I wish I would have ask for specifics on the TMIC. I know that the sell price last noted on the website was $899 CAN which is in the ball park of $730 USD. So if there are talking about big discount I'm hoping that its in the low $500 to $600 mark. But then again it might not be. Only time will tell the story on this one. We'll all fine out once they post the group buy

Well keep me updated if you find out anything, I'll keep watching . I think anything uder 700 is a good deal for this.

[Rutedown]

Any word?

[Anubis-MZD6]

None as of yet Rutedown. If I get anything I will let you all know first thing.

[kz9]

Well, and air-water intercooler SHOULD be the most efficient. Considering H2O has the highest specific heat of any other liquid... that's why they use it to cool nuclear reactors - why not our 'speeds?? Even computers that are water cooled are more efficient than computers with standard fans.


They use Heavy water to cool reators. It is enriched with deuterium. So its 2H2O

[Rutedown]

Updates?

[SLinKK]

Hit me up when they are ready I am wanting to order one as well

[silver_speed6]

They use Heavy water to cool reators. It is enriched with deuterium. So its 2H2O

That's not correct. The percentage of heavy water naturally occurring is ridiculously low. Something like one in every 6000 hydrogen molecules is a 2H molecule. The production of heavy water is also enormously expensive and would take ages to isolate or make enough heavy water needed to cool a nuclear reactor. They use standard water. Heavy water is also not safe so why would the vaporize it with a nuclear reactor?

[CAPTAINMORGAN]

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"Please note that the kit will fit both MS3 and MS6 cars. Both models share the same components except the lower heat exchanger support. One great thing is that with this the MS3 can now also use the TT lower engine mount as there are not fitment issues with it like there were with the other air to air FMIC.

Estimated time for install: About 2hrs. Removing the bumper is not required. No trim, no cut, no hassle, everything is a direct fit with just two ¾ hoses to route across the front end. Retails is $1195.00." (Quoted from another site)


*** All Info Takin From Another Site ***

[dmention7]

That's a sick looking setup. I've been eyeballing virtually the same core and radiator (as a DIY kit though) for my MSP...

[Qwik6]

Group buy any1? :)

[dmention7]

GB pricing is $995 over at "another site" lol

[CAPTAINMORGAN]

"The reason the cost went up is initially this was going to use mostly the same parts from a kit they already were producing for another vehicle, however they realized for this to be the best quality possible things would have to be redesigned to make MS3 / MS6 specific kit.


QUOTE
will this perform as well as a fmic?

a L/A setup should outperform a FMIC. +Short air pipes ie less possible lag + easy install + keep front air dam without doing the hack job I had to do (CPE FMIC w/ functional OEM air dam / diffuser) + can put dry ice in the resivior for extra cooling at the strip + (MS3) can use the TT front engine mount with this as no FMIC works with the TT front engine mount (/MS3 specific) + can upgrade to 3+" piping easy and wont introduce more lag...sure there is more"(quoted from another site).

[Qwik6]

What other site. Im a member on 3 different ones and no word of a GB. Where does one get dry ice?

[bgibb68]

What other site. Im a member on 3 different ones and no word of a GB. Where does one get dry ice?

just about any grocery store sells dry ice....well at least down here they do

[dmention7]

Bait shops usually have it. And so do many places that rent compressed tanks of gas.

[JaxJeff]

So is this out yet ? there was mention of a group buy ?

What is the actuall price now ?

[dmention7]

You might find more information at a "club" of "mazda6" owners... ;)

[meicalnissyen]

(headshake
They use Heavy water to cool reators. It is enriched with deuterium. So its 2H2O

[GioDiGreek]

(headshake

+1
Actually ²H2O. Heavy water or Dideuterium monoxide. Heavy water is water that contains a higher proportion than normal of the isotope deuterium, as deuterium oxide, D2O or ²H2O, or as deuterium protium oxide, HDO or ¹H²HO.

[CAPTAINMORGAN]

"I'm sure you also noticed the custom silicon elbows, laser-cut & folded exchanger brackets, custom BOV SS elbow with the plate. I'm sure you also work for free all year long running a charity business for the poor and hungry performance freak. Seriously, if we had wanted to offer a cheap, quickly put together intercooler system, don't you think we could have done it a long time ago? If there are people looking for such a system, then I encourage you to go ahead and offer it to them because we will never commit in such business practice.


I have read the **************** thread and can say that I am insulted seeing such a lack of professionalism from PTP performance who are jumping in the thread to offer cheaper products. Honestly, it took us more than a year of R&D to come up with our MS3-6 intercooling system. That is certainly not a botched product. We actually redesigned the whole system twice because it didn't meet our expectation back then. Knowing very well that the average MS3-6 owner wants nothing but top notch products, we made sure that the new intercooling system would be up to our expectation and built accordingly. There are many factors that must be taken into consideration when developing those systems that you may not be realizing. Actually, our whole intercooling system can be installed by the average Joe blow in less than two hours. You do not need to remove the bumper, you do not need to chop, trim, fit or hack into anything. Just two ¾ hose to route across the front end, that's about it. Several custom parts were needed in order to offer both quality and fitment which are shown in the pictures above.


There are no issues whatsoever with the silicon couplers. Yes they will slightly inflate under boost but this is not something that you would notice, either from a reliability point of view or turbo lag. A fully inflated silicon coupler (for as little it will inflate) will expand a max of 10%. That is a mere increase of 0.25cf only for a fraction of a second. This is totally neglieable when the engine actually flows over 250cf per minute.

The heat exchanger we supply is in fact capable handling more heat than the any MS6 will ever be able to produce. Swapping it for a larger unit would be useless. One may in fact realize that the key for accurate water cooling is to control how quickly the water is running through the exchanger. Too fast and it won't have time to cool properly. Too slow and it won't carry heat away of the intercooler core fast enough. The size we selected offers both cooling capacity and compactness for ease of installation. It can be retrofitted on both MS3 -6 by swapping the bottom bracket only. As Andrew pointed out, the added benefits of allowing the installation of a front engine mount on the MS3 is priceless. Furthermore, all sale pitch put aside, we all know that the MS3 stock mounts are prone to failure. Would I risk destroying my investment by leaving the engine loose in the engine bay when there is a quick fix available? No thanks.


To sum it up, I would like to thanks Andrew and the MS crew that are on the GB for his support and confidence into Turbine Tech products. I realize that some people are disappointed by the raising cost of the intercooling system. That is partially due to the fact that we poured much more R&D into it than we initially planned to. However, being a man of his word, I will gladly stick to the initially announced $799.00 price for those who stood up and stayed in the GB. So gentlemen, I will stay in touch with Andrew and start taking orders and payment shortly.


With best regards

Jess Tremblay


R&D manager
Turbine Tech Inc
www.turbinetech.ca
418 674 9191


I am going to extend the GB for 2 more weeks to allow those that were hesitant about the price to get in on this deal at $799 (+50 shipping). You M3s ought to buy a front engine mount as well at the same time. So to make this even better; in addition to the L/A IC GB I am doing a GB on the TT MS3 Front Engine mount that can be added to this for $249 (+25 sipping) if combined with the liquid intercooler purchase.
MSRP is $369+shipping!

The GB will now end on 4-14-09. (Completly copyed word for word from another site)."

[Qwik6]

Great price.

Right when I just bought an ets...