Less than 3000 mile and at the dealership....

[tazman34685]

Took the car out today catch a Lexus GS300 thinking that he could hang. So I pull like we all know the speeds can do at the drop of a dime. Felt great the revs were high I admit, but it wasn't anything that auto crossing a speed wouldn't subject the car too. To my surprise there was a knocking coming from the motor, at first I hoped that it was something minor but oh know after inspecting the car on the side of the road I decided too try on move the car to my office, well it started fine went into gear but that was it no power just the knock and the BOV releasing air. So I called the dealership, who told me to contact road side assistance, which towed me into the dealership. In the meanwhile I uninstalled the Cobb 2009 Beta map that I had in the car, but that was all that I could do. The Injen CAI and Turbo Smart BOV were the only engine modds left on the car.

The service guy asks one of the HEAD TECHs to go out and listen to the car. He Pops the hood and starts the car instantly the knocking start but then he opens the hood and see the AFTERMARKET CAI and BOV, he asked me "How long I have had the AFTERMARKET CAI and BOV, I reply since the day I brought the car. We walk back into the service dept where he goes into the office of glass to speak with a white shirt. Then the blue shirt goes into the office a conversation start to which I can't hear anything but when the blue shirt does exit the office he states that they will have to contact Mazda to determine if the AFTERMARKET parts have void the warranty.

MY question is in the worst case Mazda does not cover the repair I'm I F^@K (F%5e@K) or can I have my insurance pay for the repair or is it time to re-enforce the bottom end of the motor myself. I'm not going to start the point figure blame game about the warranty; I'm just trying to see what my options are. Remember the car had less than 3k i.e.2790 maybe...
Thank and Happy New Year

[eg6motion]

wow. well I suppose you have to see what happens. Insurance may cover it but it depends on what happened. Auto insurance rarely covers failures that aren't by collision, water, or other disaster-type occurrence. Even if its a manufacturer defect thats not covered by your warranty. But i'd check anyway if they try to burn you on the warranty thing. And I don't personally have the Cobb AP yet, but why would you run the 2009 beta map on an 08.5? I thought the 08.5 used the 08 maps?

[scatt nasty]

Did the car still drive after it went into gear ? If so that should rule out any trans/gear problems. I'm thinking it's the Turbosmart, friend of mine had one and had to take it off because it was throwing CEL's. No power could be due to the car not being able to hold boost ? Open/Malfunctioned BPV or loose intercooler clamps. I am not sure what the knocking noise is, are you sure its the engine and not something from below ?

[ghettoracingkid]

If they claim that they willnt cover it under warranty jsut keep on fighting it and bring it to the corporate office

times are tough and the car companys should make their customers happy. it could hurt and it woudl jstu take osme of your time

[NCZ13]

If they claim that they willnt cover it under warranty jsut keep on fighting it and bring it to the corporate office

times are tough and the car companys should make their customers happy. it could hurt and it woudl jstu take osme of your time

dealerships are a privately owned company that get its rights to sell cars from the companies that allow it. A mazda dealership isnt an extension of mazda.

The dealership isnt going to do thousands in work for free. Mazda reimburses the dealership that does the warranty work, if the car is covered under warranty. In his case I would say that he is not.

[ghettoracingkid]

dealerships are a privately owned company that get its rights to sell cars from the companies that allow it. A mazda dealership isnt an extension of mazda.

The dealership isnt going to do thousands in work for free. Mazda reimburses the dealership that does the warranty work, if the car is covered under warranty. In his case I would say that he is not.

dude, My uncle owns a Mazda Dealership. I know how it works. But the Corporate office can direct reimburse the dealship for doign the work to keep the customer happy.

What do you have to lose anyway?

[NCZ13]

Im not saying he shouldnt go for it. Fight it and see how far it goes. However looking at it realistically, he has a knocking sound from the engine, an aftermarket intake and BOV, and he openly admitted he was on it hard. Factor those together, and i think the ultimate result is that it wont be covered.

[StealthWyvern]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they have to PROVE that those mods caused the damage?

[tazman34685]

NCZ13 I never told the dealership that I was hard on It. But I stated I'm sure that auto crossing the car would be harded on it. The CAI in the same as the mazdaspeed CAI. The BOV is only thing I wish the tech didn't see, What ever. I will just have to see what happens

Eg6motion my car is a 2009 not a 2008.5. Cobb only released a beta map for the new year speed.

StealthWyvern, That is would I Hope, but the Tech at the dealership was quick to point out the fact that the parts were aftermarket. I will let you know what happens. No word till monday.

[stockms3]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they have to PROVE that those mods caused the damage?

That's correct sir, they cant just void the warranty and goodluck proving that intake and bov blew the motor if thats the case

[MikeHTally]

You'd have to have a pretty unique insurance policy for them to have anything to do with this. Good luck with the warranty. As long as those are the only mods they know about, I don't see how they can pin it on the CAI and the BPV.

[GoFast]

i can. they have lawyers that get paid crap loads of money every year to make sure they can. you can always try getting oyur own, but you better hope you win because if you lose that lawyer is going to cost you more than a new engine would. good luck

[RC08MS3]

isnt a 2009 just a leftover 2008.5?

Hope my shit don't mess up, i had aftermarket parts on the car when i bought it from the dealership, so they better cover it or im drivin the car through the glass into the 2 Shelby GT500's they cant sell :)

[mr_mazda329]

isnt a 2009 just a leftover 2008.5?

Hope my shit don't mess up, i had aftermarket parts on the car when i bought it from the dealership, so they better cover it or im drivin the car through the glass into the 2 Shelby GT500's they cant sell :)


Hahaha. Right on man. If that did happen, you gotta take pics and post them.

[khoney]

i can. they have lawyers that get paid crap loads of money every year to make sure they can. you can always try getting oyur own, but you better hope you win because if you lose that lawyer is going to cost you more than a new engine would. good luck

Don't bet on it - A new engine for this car is $6,500 (not including installation). I saw the price on the service manager's screen when I had mine replaced under warranty.

[RC08MS3]

lol, ill snap a couple before im tasered to the ground and detained for life

[essejkcamraw]

sucks to hear....my dealerships cool as could be with the intake. sucks bout the bpv though. ill just keep my stocker in my car incase of emergency i guess. good luck bud (drinks)

[Speed3Rookie]

lol, ill snap a couple before im tasered to the ground and detained for life

ROTFLMAO

[wisniaPl]

you didnt follow first most important rule.... dont go with any mods to dealership

[fuentini]

http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm

read it. print it. take it with you.

[Speed3Rookie]

http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm

read it. print it. take it with you.

This made for good reading.
Thanks for sharing.

[tazman34685]

It does but I forgot that I had the extended warranty so they real owe me. I know that I don't stand a chance but you never know.

[08_MS3_GT]

warranty or not, i'm just curious as to how an ms3 motor can blow in 3k miles..?

[tazman34685]

The service manage the white shirt from the glass office sat me down to began to tell me that because the motor was mod’d i.e. CAI/BOV the repair would not be covered. Because the warranty doesn't cover these mods. So I asked him to call Mazda USA where because of the holidays they close at 2pm PST and don't have a full staff on hand, but we did get an agent who stated the same mods vs. warranty story. But thanks to the forum I insisted that we first have to know that these mods cause the motor to fail. The service manage told me that at the dealer ships they don't repair the blown motor they repair them at a cost of 8500 dollars.

The Mazda USA agent opened a case and said that he would get back in touch with me or the service manager, as to what the regional guy (the Big Boss) has to say about it.

I now understand why N.C. car dealership have stickers on the Service Dept. prohibiting entry with a firearm.

I guess I will have to wait till Monday, and the extended warranty is BS $2500+tax for what?

[phillyb]

your font changed...that's odd

[chrisp]

It blows up before 3000 miles with basic mods....must be a speed3! seems like this happens alot. Hence the reason for the expensive warranty...they know it's coming back

[NCZ13]

It blows up before 3000 miles with basic mods....must be a speed3! seems like this happens alot. Hence the reason for the expensive warranty...they know it's coming back


says who?

this is the first blown engine issue ive read about in awhile...

[NCZ13]

you cant really make the argument that the CAI you have is the same design as the Mazdaspeed intake because the MS intake was recalled...

[GoFast]

It blows up before 3000 miles with basic mods....must be a speed3! seems like this happens alot. Hence the reason for the expensive warranty...they know it's coming back

dumb

[phillyb]

says who?

this is the first blown engine issue ive read about in awhile...

you aren't looking hard enough or you're looking in the wrong place. these motors are still definitely popping

[NCZ13]

its relative. most of the people whos engines are blowing are people who are overboosting, or have a bunch of mods with no tune. Im on these forums daily, and i have rarely seen a thread about a completely stock ms3 engine blowing.

also you have to remember that the number of people who go online to talk about their blown engines is greatly outshadowed by the thousands of people who havent had any issues. People dont start threads talking about how great their engines are running... people post about problems.

[GoFast]

its relative. most of the people whos engines are blowing are people who are overboosting, or have a bunch of mods with no tune. Im on these forums daily, and i have rarely seen a thread about a completely stock ms3 engine blowing.

also you have to remember that the number of people who go online to talk about their blown engines is greatly outshadowed by the thousands of people who havent had any issues. People dont start threads talking about how great their engines are running... people post about problems.

+1 for perspective

[Speed3Rookie]

you aren't looking hard enough or you're looking in the wrong place. these motors are still definitely popping

+1.....

[chrisp]

its relative. most of the people whos engines are blowing are people who are overboosting, or have a bunch of mods with no tune. Im on these forums daily, and i have rarely seen a thread about a completely stock ms3 engine blowing.

also you have to remember that the number of people who go online to talk about their blown engines is greatly outshadowed by the thousands of people who havent had any issues. People dont start threads talking about how great their engines are running... people post about problems.

go to a subaru forum and its riddled with people saying how much they love the car or how awesome the boxer engine is.(moon)

[GoFast]

go to a subaru forum and its riddled with people saying how much they love the car or how awesome the boxer engine is.(moon)

and you also see threads like these too (stfu)(fu)

subaru engine woes (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1648372&page=2)

[NCZ13]

go to a subaru forum and its riddled with people saying how much they love the car or how awesome the boxer engine is.(moon)


im not saying people dont join up to say how much they love their car, but the majority of people join to share problems...

Theres a ton of threads on here where people are discussing how they love the speed3, so I dont see your point..

[DaleNixon]

Cobb BETA map? Have they perhaps not worked out all the kinks?

[GoFast]

Cobb BETA map? Have they perhaps not worked out all the kinks?

see here grasshoppa! (http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123725262)

[DaleNixon]

From reading that thread and reading Cobb's thread, it definitely sounds very BETA to me!

[jred321]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they have to PROVE that those mods caused the damage?


http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm

read it. print it. take it with you.
great in court. not so great when you're in the office at a dealership with them still saying no. laws only work if they're enforced and unfortunately the only place that gets enforced is in a courtroom. unless you know a lawyer who is willing to work for free most of the time you have to take it from the dealership right up the ass despite what the law has to say.


and i think this means that the lexus won, right? since he is still on the road living to fight another day.

[tazman34685]

and i think this means that the lexus won, right? since he is still on the road living to fight another day.

Can I just say lesson learned. But Oh wait till that Lexus meats up with the Speed the next time. I'll have the last laugh cause I'm buying a Lexus (yupnope)

Jokin Jokin just jokes.
Hell I work with the guy over at SU and someway some how the Speeds will live to play again. I will rebuild it stronger, because the dealer is asking me to bring the stock parts back to the dealership if they do the work on my dime.

You guys tell me what you would do:
Rebuild Quote from the Dealer=

1) ENGINE- L3M6-02-300E = $6045.22
2)INTAKE GASKET- L3K9-13-111 x 1 = $16.23
3)Exhaust Gasket- L3K9-13-460 x 1 =$38.81
4)Turbo Gasket....$46.21
5)blah blah blah
total $8499.61 If I were to spent that kind of money Why wouldn't I go for the top shelve

[chrisp]

Can I just say lesson learned. But Oh wait till that Lexus meats up with the Speed the next time. I'll have the last laugh cause I'm buying a Lexus (yupnope)

Jokin Jokin just jokes.
Hell I work with the guy over at SU and someway some how the Speeds will live to play again. I will rebuild it stronger, because the dealer is asking me to bring the stock parts back to the dealership if they do the work on my dime.

You guys tell me what you would do:
Rebuild Quote from the Dealer=

1) ENGINE- L3M6-02-300E = $6045.22
2)INTAKE GASKET- L3K9-13-111 x 1 = $16.23
3)Exhaust Gasket- L3K9-13-460 x 1 =$38.81
4)Turbo Gasket....$46.21
5)blah blah blah
total $8499.61 If I were to spent that kind of money Why wouldn't I go for the top shelve


ouch!

[Circle9]

I know that dealerships can run diagnostics on the Civic Si's ECU's to determine whether or not the engine has been over revved. Do the Mazda dealerships do the same?

Edit: Agreed with post below

[Zimmer]

OP might want to talk to this guy
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123729715

[714ms3]

go to a subaru forum and its riddled with people saying how much they love the car or how awesome the boxer engine is.(moon)

Seriously........why are you on this forum? Nobody that owns a Mazda and is having problems wants to know how wonderful your STI is. I'm not trying to be a jerkoff, but seriously show some tact.
No car is without its share of problems. It is the law of manufactured goods: there will be bad apples in every bunch. And I agree that most of the blown engine stories are on cars that are pretty aggressively modded, not just intake and BPV.

[DaleNixon]

Yea man your presence here is just bizarre.

[GoFast]

Yea man your presence here is just bizarre.

not really bizarre if you ask me. based on his posts that he has made, he is here for one reason. to start shit. his story about having a brother or something with an ms3 is just his excuse to come on here and talk about how superior his car is. i am not saying he right or wrong but i am saying that its complete crap that he comes here for the sole purpose of talking shit about the ms3.

[08_MS3_GT]

his signature is annoying enough as it is. an insult to mazdas and a link to his subaru. it's not like he even remotely belongs here. (wrong)(getout)(asshole)

[GoFast]

his signature is annoying enough as it is. an insult to mazdas and a link to his subaru. it's not like he even remotely belongs here. (wrong)(getout)(asshole)

subie trannies are like toilets, crappy

[chrisp]

subie trannies are like toilets, crappy

wow your wrong, cant believe you pulled that card. I like to stir the pot every now and again. Funny thing is on the other forum I belong to I always defend the speed3. I really do like the car, its just fun to get reactions from people. Angry people say some of the craziest things. my sid is really supposed to be british cars instead of mazdas

[tazman34685]

OP might want to talk to this guy
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123729715

I just looked at that thread, I hope you guys understand that I not trying to point the finger at no other company other than Mazda USA for the BS they have put us all thru, and Myself for speaking about the price/pain it cost to play in the asphalt playground. I was running the COBB Beta map but damn me for not running data log every time I drove the car. It’s a functionality that a group of us most have asked for and I wasn't using it (uhm)(uhm)
But The dealership just is having their way with me right now. (wedge)

But Bigups to the members that have given me Help/Assistance for free when the place I've given me money too just turned me away oh and gave me the professional Fuck You I mean warranty speech. The bottom line I think will be WELL WORST THE HEADACHE when I'm finish.... If my wife doesn’t put me out.(gtfo) Hell I guess I could sleep in the car.

No, but The guys at SU are willing to help so Hats Off to them.

To be continued.......:D(rlaugh)

[CnoTataymo]

I think you should've just towed the car back home and took off your mods. That's always the safest thing to do with dealerships. Good luck though.

[Alexander37]

Interesting reading these posts. I too have just had my engine replaced in my Speed6, covered under warranty at 33k miles. I have never had any mods done, and do not "hammer" on the car much at all. I'm like most of you that when some douche thinks his Lexus or POS Civic Si is something special, I'll leave them in the rear view. I also went through troubles with the home office in trying to get the repair done. The dealer agreed that the engine was messed, but home office didn't want to pay. I saw my bill as well, and the estimates are right. My car was there for 48 days while they sent 3 technicians out to try and find "something" that would make them not have to replace the motor. My bill was over $15k!!! Looking back, and all the issues I have had completely stock, they would have been better off to buy the car back. Best of luck dealing with the home office, but it is your dealer that should be backing you 100%. Most of the guys know that the intake should not give a reason to void the warranty. However, my dealer rep has stated that they have not honored a few repairs due to the fact of mods on the cars. Again, they do have corporate lawyers, but if you push enough, I'm sure they wont want to take it that far. Keep us posted on what you hear.

[wisniaPl]

I think you should've just towed the car back home and took off your mods. That's always the safest thing to do with dealerships. Good luck though.

that what i would do pay 100 bucks for towing instead of 8k for engine

[GoFast]

wow your wrong, cant believe you pulled that card. I like to stir the pot every now and again. Funny thing is on the other forum I belong to I always defend the speed3. I really do like the car, its just fun to get reactions from people. Angry people say some of the craziest things. my sid is really supposed to be british cars instead of mazdas

no different than the crap you pull here including the whole stock engine blew, must be an ms3 card

[chrisp]

no different than the crap you pull here including the whole stock engine blew, must be an ms3 card

except their are a bazillion threads about smoking turbos, funny noises coming from the engine, engine knock, motor mounts snapping or failing, and the guy two posts above you isnt the only one having his engine crap the bed for no reason

[GoFast]

except there is the word you were looking for are a bazillion threads about smoking turbos, funny noises coming from the engine, engine knock, motor mounts snapping or failing, and the guy two posts above you isnt the only one having his engine crap the bed for no reason
that is the most rediculous crap i have ever heard. so what? do you have any point. i surely hope your point is not that the wrx's and sti'd dont have problems. If it is, then you my friend are the biggest subie fanboy flamer on here. once again, see this thread here (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1648372&page=2) that is just one example of your precious subie perfection theory going into the shitter. ill find 30 more crappy wrx threads too.

here is the deal dude. i personally like the wrx and the sti. i think they are great cars. but they are not without their own inherent problems. i also like the whole rivalry between the two. what i dont like seeing is someone like yourself coming on these ms3 forums and stirring up shit for the sake of stirring up shit. hopefully an admin will ban your subie loving arse. (getout)

[GoFast]

blown wrx motor (http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/general-maintenance-troubleshooting-accidents/160227-blown-engine.html)

oh my goodness the all mighty sti squeaks too?!?! i thought the ms3 was the only crappy new car that made noises (http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gd-general/148814-2004-sti-creaks-like-old-pirate-ship-how-remedy.html)

talk about a plethra of different problems here (http://www.iwsti.com/forums/warranty-service-issues/)

this took me 3 minutes to find these. my point is dont talk shit about a car just because you have some warped impression that your car is problem free. if you cant do that and contribute something positive, stay off the MS3 forums. i stay out of yours

[Kain]

A bazillion threads. Bazillion.

[chrisp]

blown wrx motor (http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/general-maintenance-troubleshooting-accidents/160227-blown-engine.html)

oh my goodness the all mighty sti squeaks too?!?! i thought the ms3 was the only crappy new car that made noises (http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gd-general/148814-2004-sti-creaks-like-old-pirate-ship-how-remedy.html)

talk about a plethra of different problems here (http://www.iwsti.com/forums/warranty-service-issues/)

this took me 3 minutes to find these. my point is dont talk shit about a car just because you have some warped impression that your car is problem free. if you cant do that and contribute something positive, stay off the MS3 forums. i stay out of yours

Its fun to watch knuckleheads like you get all upset. Just stating the impression I get from being on this forum. Seems like alot of people are having problems, and they dont handle mods very well without going pop(fuoops) Il lay off for a little while, dont want you to get your thong all in a twist.

[Circle9]

This thread went down the toilet pretty quickly (jacked)

[714ms3]

Its fun to watch knuckleheads like you get all upset. Just stating the impression I get from being on this forum. Seems like alot of people are having problems, and they dont handle mods very well without going pop(fuoops) Il lay off for a little while, dont want you to get your thong all in a twist.

Ok I tried to stay tame, but now you are merely being a douche. Nobody on this forum gives to shakes of a cat's ass about your subie. Every car has problems, and guess what, the greater the number produced = the greater number of failures. That is just a basic law about manufacturing.
Now I don't care if your brother, uncle, sister, or mother has an MS3, because you still offer no glimpse of a worthy contribution to OUR forum.
Stop trolling on here, and go waste some of your lonely life on NASIOC. Or better yet, take some of the obviously abundant amount of free time that you have on your hands (and you must have plenty to troll this forum and the subie ones), and put it towards learning some basic spelling, punctuation and grammar.
Coming to a forum to illicit negative responses from people is just plain juvenile. Better than laying low on here, you should just disappear.(dance)

[ZyrehT]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they have to PROVE that those mods caused the damage?


Yes but most just bow their head and walk away instead of fighting them.

[ZyrehT]

It blows up before 3000 miles with basic mods....must be a speed3! seems like this happens alot. Hence the reason for the expensive warranty...they know it's coming back

Is this person really as dumb as they sound?

[ZyrehT]

you aren't looking hard enough or you're looking in the wrong place. these motors are still definitely popping

Please post links to "all" that are popping. Bet you can't find more than 10 out of over 10,000 cars sold.

[ZyrehT]

A bazillion threads. Bazillion.

Typical subie exaggeration, just like the performance of their cars.

[ZyrehT]

unless you know a lawyer who is willing to work for free most of the time you have to take it from the dealership right up the ass despite what the law has to say.

They you've got pretty dumb lawyers that you work with. My guys know right away if they're going to make money. They always win against dealerships.

[Alexander37]

Zyreh:, Correct on 2 points! Chrisp is an idiot, and most people do walk away instead of fight. When I had issues with home office going back to the dealer and saying they wanted to try all this crap and try and pin it on me, I called home Mazda myself and registered a complaint (not against the dealer, you want them on your side) but against the rep that was trying to deny the replacement. As soon as I mentioned "I have legal connections", and would pursue that ave if needed, I have received almost everything I have asked for (just waiting on one more thing).
And lets keep this thread helpful to the owner who is having the issue, and not a Subie jack@$$ vs. Mazda's. However I would like to state that my former roommate (WRX owner) would rather have driven my car than his anyday.

[DaleNixon]

ROFL. Well there's no need to criticize Subarus here. I think most of us have fantasized about WRX's and STI's at one point in our lives. I know the '02 bugeye was my dream car back when I bought my Protege5.

[Alexander37]

Agreed, I have no issues with Subies, but I have never liked the look of any WRX. Sti's are pretty sick performance wise, but I can't stand them (personal opinion). I would much rather have a Legacy GT. But all that aside, I would seriously call the home office, state your complaint and supporting documentation ( the fantastic PDF doc regarding mods not voiding warranty) and go from there. It's the best shot you have, and they really don't want to make a legal issue out of it. I was told with my repair, that if the economy wasn't in the toilet right now and automakers screwed, they would have done my engine completely the moment it came in the 3rd time for stalling.

[amascio]

I can't think of a performance car made that doesn't have "issues" of some sort:
Porsches - the price paid for one of these when they screw up will make your blood run COLD...
BMW Motorsports cars - if it's not rod bearings on the M3's, it's the clutches on the M5's, and that's if it doesn't overheat first!...
Subaru - we've already talked about them... the point I'm trying to make is that when one buys a high performance car, the costs can be staggering at times....how does that old adage go.."speed costs money - how much do you want to spend?"...

My take on it is that Mazda put a turbo on a garden variety engine and hoped everything would be alright. I don't think they expected the amount of enthusiast experimenting that is currently going on with all the mods. They never DREAMED that the Speed would be the poster child of the hardcore modding crowd.

But Mazda is making a mistake here - they are missing out on an oppourtunity to cover the entusiast with a harder core "crate" engine that they could subvent the costs on when issuses like the OP here happen.

There's always a way to make lemonade out of lemons. Help the mod scene to thrive and take the blown engines in, tear them apart and figure out how the next model engine is going to have engineering enhancements to fix what went wrong.

The concept of the MS3 is a damn good one - a practical little car that is a blast to drive because it's faster than shit and fairly frugal too (just in case gas goes through the roof). Mazda just needs to learn about what makes the owner/modder tick and CATER to that constituency - think Honda in the 90's - they made a fortune behind the modding of the Civic. If I were Mazda, I'd have played a way different card than they're doing with the OP.

GM would KILL to have a car like the MS3 right now! I hope everything works out for the OP and that Mazda does the right thing.
Cheers all!

[derspi]

GM would KILL to have a car like the MS3 right now!

Agree with you on all your points but would like to point out that GM does have "their" MS3 in the new Cobalt S/S. Performance monster for very little coin (probably less than the MS3) but of course, I'd much rather be sitting in the interior of the MS3 than almost any GM vehicle, save for maybe a Cadillac.

[tazman34685]

What's guys.

I'm still with out a car but I guess its a good thing I live in florida cause for the whole month of January this MazdaSpeed owner has been without his car. But I figure it was time for an update, hell I even though that maybe I should be a member of any forum because I brought this on myself or maybe I should have just left the car in its stock form.....But then I slipped back into my right mind.

Saturday 1/31/2009
The motor was actually lowered from the car (The shop that doing the job are cool people big into dragsters and corvettes) anyway the workbench was full of all the new stuff I brought. but before I get to saturday I have to rewind back one week earlier :

Friday 1/23/2009
Ok Mr. Tazman your car is ready we found that the number two rod bearing spun on the crankshaft so we replaced the bearings with the OEM set (I Purchased from SU who rock by the way) you're just going to have to take it easy on the car. I picked the car up late friday afterhours, anyway I get in the car with a big kool aid smile on my face looked at the odometer which read 2780 mile (the DOA mileage was 2769) so I thinking cool still not 3K yet all is well. But there is this note in the car that reads drive the car like a grandma/grandpa ok so I'm thinking this is because the new bearing have to get seated. OK I pull out of the parking lot my house is an easy 48 miles from the place that is repairing the car oh ya in between there is a bridge call the skyway that I have you cross. ok back to the story I pull out of the parking out quick shifting not really doing any special but as the rpms climbed to 2500 I can hear this rattling in my gut I saying something isn't right something just isn't right I crawl about half way home because in my mind I'm hear this is a brand new car there is no way I can consider this fixed by a long shot, I end up returning the car back the shop that same night but that after cross the damn bridge once north bound then again south bound...(you just have to take my word an this the damn bridge is huge but not only that if I were to brake down I would be SOL. That saturday morningI call the shop owner and I'm like look there is no way I can except this job as being complete, he like I understand you did the right thing by returning the car before something major happened. Now the 24th was the 24 hours race at Daytona and of course my parts connection guys SU were out enjoy some good R&R. Hats off to them..... Fast forward.

The call was place to Mat/Chris and the new parts shipped:
1)complete gasket set
2)OEM main bearing
3)OEM Rod bearing
4)Head Studs by ????
5)Pauter Forged Rods
6)CP Custom Forged Pistons
7) Redline Tuning Hood Quicklift (Extra cause i hate looking for the hole)

Fast forward to present:
Today's phone conversation almost brought the New Yorker out of me not directed to any one person but just the WHOLE DAMN situation. While inspecting the clutch it was discovered that it to was damaged, so I jokingly ask can I just set fire to the DAMN car....... Now a Spec Stage 3 clutch kit is going to be ordered.

I know this is going to be one bad ass speed3 when its all said and done

If I had the time or the funds the first thing that comes to mind is CLASS ACTION LAW SUITE. My name would be the first on the list.

Oh and by the way I have no idea when the car will be finished, I guess before the kids are out of school Hell I'm counting weeks forget days. Please don't let it be Months.

Sorry for the NOVEL, need to vent. I feel better now.

[paylew]

Yikes, that sucks man but you're right saying your car will be pretty bad ass once you're finished with it

[StealthWyvern]

Damn man that sucks. Hopefully you will have it up and running without any more major issues within the next month or sooner!

[s-retire]

http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm

read it. print it. take it with you.

Tonight I’ll sit down and cozy up to Magnusson, Moss.


I can't think of a performance car made that doesn't have "issues" of some sort:

But Mazda is making a mistake here - they are missing out on an oppourtunity to cover the entusiast with a harder core "crate" engine that they could subvent the costs on when issuses like the OP here happen.

There's always a way to make lemonade out of lemons. Help the mod scene to thrive and take the blown engines in, tear them apart and figure out how the next model engine is going to have engineering enhancements to fix what went wrong.

GM would KILL to have a car like the MS3 right now! I hope everything works out for the OP and that Mazda does the right thing.
Cheers all!

Great thought!




If I had the time or the funds the first thing that comes to mind is CLASS ACTION LAW SUITE. My name would be the first on the list.



Great thread! Big thanks for pushing it to the top. There is a lot of useful info here.

I don't know about the class action lawsuit, but I’m going to take the time and am now a I'm lot more comfortable spending the money to see my issue through to the bitter end. Tonight I’ll sit down and cozy up to Magnusson, Moss.

Have you thought about filing a report with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) website? It is easy to do. It looks like they collect the data and make inquiry based on numbers, so claim helps.

If it comes to injured class lawsuit, I’ll keep you posted as I’ll be looking for other injured parties. I may have just the right attorney in mind.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think the Speed3 is in anyway a bad car, but the way Mazda NAO is handling the warranty claim issues erodes any confidence that a consumer has.

[TheDirtyGoatee]

I don't feel like skimming through all the posts on here and this one just happened to catch my eye on the "recent updates" on the right side of the home page. But here is my opinion.

You modded your car. It should be known that when you mod a car that was built by a factory who built it that way for a reason, changing things could cause things to work improperly. I could continue on and go through the laundry list of things that could've went wrong but I am not a mechanic nor do I know much about the products you used. However, your car didn't break under the car as it came from the factory. It isn't Mazda's concern to fix a modified car unless they installed the parts and included them into the warranty. If that was the case, the dealerships would be in a worse off spot than they are in now.

However, I am not saying I don't want this to work out for you because I don't want a fellow Mazda 247 member to go through hard times. What I am saying is that if they come to you and say "We won't fix this because you have mods on your car... etc." then you should suck it up, pay what you have to pay, and move on. This is why it's a good idea to not think about modding a car that is brand new or still under warranty.

Lastly, I do hope all goes well and they end up saying that what you've done couldn't have caused the problem and they'll fix it under warranty. However, because everyone is having tough times and they have you by the gonads on this one, expect to shell out cash. I understand they should keep their customer's happy but then again, the customers need to abide by the rules.

Just my .02 cents.

[coyfish]

I don't feel like skimming through all the posts on here and this one just happened to catch my eye on the "recent updates" on the right side of the home page. But here is my opinion.

You modded your car. It should be known that when you mod a car that was built by a factory who built it that way for a reason, changing things could cause things to work improperly. I could continue on and go through the laundry list of things that could've went wrong but I am not a mechanic nor do I know much about the products you used. However, your car didn't break under the car as it came from the factory. It isn't Mazda's concern to fix a modified car unless they installed the parts and included them into the warranty. If that was the case, the dealerships would be in a worse off spot than they are in now.

However, I am not saying I don't want this to work out for you because I don't want a fellow Mazda 247 member to go through hard times. What I am saying is that if they come to you and say "We won't fix this because you have mods on your car... etc." then you should suck it up, pay what you have to pay, and move on. This is why it's a good idea to not think about modding a car that is brand new or still under warranty.

Lastly, I do hope all goes well and they end up saying that what you've done couldn't have caused the problem and they'll fix it under warranty. However, because everyone is having tough times and they have you by the gonads on this one, expect to shell out cash. I understand they should keep their customer's happy but then again, the customers need to abide by the rules.

Just my .02 cents.


The OP did end up paying to have his car fixed. While what your saying is true I still dont think its fair that he has to pay for a new engine because of a bpv. . .

Also I don't mean to take what you said out of context but there has to be a little balance. Mazda has been voiding way too many warranties because of CAI's and BPV's. I think we all know that those 2 mods 99% of the time are not the cause of the problems.

[TheDirtyGoatee]

I'll agree.

And like I said, I didn't mean him harm or hard times but modding is modding is modding. It voids warranties.

Anyhow... thanks for the input.

[s-retire]

a car that was built by a factory who built it that way for a reason, changing things could cause things to work improperly.

However, your car didn't break under the car as it came from the factory.

" then you should suck it up, pay what you have to pay, and move on. This is why it's a good idea to not think about modding a car that is brand new or still under warranty.

I understand they should keep their customer's happy but then again, the customers need to abide by the rules.



I don’t want to hi-jack this thread, but I’m going to take the liberty for a moment.

It appears on this thread and several others that the Mazda Dealers and the DSMs from Mazda NAO are simply opening the hood, finding what ever excuse to deny warranty, slamming the hood and turning their back on the customer.

Looking at the legal opinion posted by fuentini, it would seem that Mazda should provide proof of the condition that leads them to deny warranty actually caused the failure.

Speculation by you or the DSM that a particular condition could cause a failure is not proof.

In my case, I thought I was playing by the rules. No mods on my car, I simply had my oil changed at an Authorized Mazda Dealer. When the car was inspected after the motor went pop, the inspecting technician said the oil drain plug was missing, slammed the hood and the DSM denied my claim and told me, through the Service Manager, to call my car insurance company.

No proof, not even enough effort to get the servicing dealer to accept responsibility. Just “too bad so sad…” It has been a long drawn out battle to get them to review their improper decision. If Mazda NAO will do this in my case, I suspect that they’ve treated a lot of other people unfairly.

So much for playing by the rules…

Sorry about the hi-jack. I’ll return to the thread I started.

[tazman34685]

OK I know can spoke for all of us here on the forum. Mazda and the Dealership have a very low approval rating, but to help balance thing out alittle the shop where my car is being serviced specializes in Corvettes, so the first weekend I went over to the shop I met a older gentleman who started to tell me about his experience with GM over his corvette after he picked up a Pos battery cable (you know the one that goes between the battery and the starter) anyway they sold him the able he puts on the cable and to his surprise they voided his warranty because it wasn't factory installed my one of the dealer's tech.

Now that being said you have spent your money on a vechile that you want to enjoy your way, now in my case the car didn't have 3k miles on it you want to tell me the failur is do tho the fact that the car was modded, Not to mension the fact that not one person in the damn place can help but they do know how to transfer you to the next person who has the answer, while all they do is past you on again and then you have to wait Mazda NAO to return a call you you because some agent has to send a message to the regional person who is to busy to smell the shit brewing beneif his very nose,I mean damn I know want would have made it better is if I'd quickly when home switch back the stock parts then take the car to the deal. F@3k that mama does pay for sh1t in my house( i hop you'll understand where I going) I just hadn't given it a second thought. The Scion xB that the speed repaired had headers on it a CAI the week after I brought it the dealer not even once told me anything about it, but there was talk with them as to weather or not I should supercharge it or put a turbo on it, but a deer took out the car and I did what to spend the resources on neither, I big joke that I hope I get the chance to enjoy a laungh or 2.

Again sorry for the flow but the topic is so close to home. Like the saying goes you have to pay to play.....$$$$$$

[tazman34685]

OK the Word is in on the cause of my blown motor. Can we all say Fuel Pressure..... That's right people the stock fuel pump sucks the big one when it is stressed above the stock specs...It would seem that a CAI, and the Cobb map put yhat must of a demand on the stock fuel pump to created a lean condition in the motor and detonation occurred flatting the rod bearing on cylinder #2, causing a spend bearing.. Sometime what else happens is the piston get so hot causing the pin to seize or the piston to get stuck and snaps the connecting rod.

[Kain]

... but I would seem that a CIA... put to must demand on the stock fuel pump...

Damn, and I had $20 on the FBI, too.

[JDM-P5]

+1
And quit referring to us as "kids"...how old are you?
You're the one who needs to grow up and stop fking around on the street.

Take it to the track.

[TheDirtyGoatee]

All I'm going to say is that's why I'll never mod a car that's not paid for, or at least almost paid for.

[mo4130]

get rid of the bov and get a bypass valve.

[JDM-P5]

^
Lolz
Whut?
Why?
Because one vents & one recircs?
So what...?
It's still the same friggin' thing to the dealer.

BOV/BPV...same shit, different direction.

*oh yeah...and the bov makes a neat sound.

[ElGaspo]

... but I would seem that a CIA... put to must demand on the stock fuel pump...


Damn, and I had $20 on the FBI, too.

Ha! Never bet against the Gmen! (lol)

[mo4130]

^
Lolz
Whut?
Why?
Because one vents & one recircs?
So what...?
It's still the same friggin' thing to the dealer.

BOV/BPV...same shit, different direction.

*oh yeah...and the bov makes a neat sound.

bypass valve might not have casued the engine to explode.
blow off valve just vents to the atmosphere thus sending mixed signals back to the computer which inturn adds more fuel causing it to knock and go boom(freak)(freak)(blowup)

[camrycev6]

OK the Word is in on the cause of my blown motor. Can we all say Fuel Pressure..... That's right people the stock fuel pump sucks the big one when it is stressed above the stock specs...It would seem that a CAI, and the Cobb map put yhat must of a demand on the stock fuel pump to created a lean condition in the motor and detonation occurred flatting the rod bearing on cylinder #2, causing a spend bearing.. Sometime what else happens is the piston get so hot causing the pin to seize or the piston to get stuck and snaps the connecting rod.

While I certainly sympathize with what has happened, it would seem that Mazda is justified in denying this particular warranty claim. (One of the reasons I go with Mazda approved parts installed only by Mazda.) Hopefully it won't cost too much to repair it yourself. Good luck with it.

[JDM-P5]

bypass valve might not have casued the engine to explode.
blow off valve just vents to the atmosphere thus sending mixed signals back to the computer which inturn adds more fuel causing it to knock and go boom(freak)(freak)(blowup)

Edit.
Read that wrong.

Original response removed.

No oil in motor usually causes knock.
What was I thinking..?

Also, dropping from 5th to 3rd etc. Seen that happen a few times.

[DaleNixon]

Adding more fuel causes knock? I don't think so.

[NCZ13]

^ i concur.

the car isnt adding more fuel, its just not compensating the missing air.

[mhrebin]

his grammar is horrible.lol its hurts to head his posts. i dont even know whats happening anymore.lmao

[NCZ13]

OK the Word is in on the cause of my blown motor. Can we all say Fuel Pressure..... That's right people the stock fuel pump sucks the big one when it is stressed above the stock specs...It would seem that a CAI, and the Cobb map put yhat must of a demand on the stock fuel pump to created a lean condition in the motor and detonation occurred flatting the rod bearing on cylinder #2, causing a spend bearing.. Sometime what else happens is the piston get so hot causing the pin to seize or the piston to get stuck and snaps the connecting rod.

exactly. Mazda warranties their products when they are used at stock specs. So if when you take something out of spec, it messes with other things.

So explain why mazda should cover this?

[JDM-P5]

Lolz.