do you guys get this a lot?

[squidmotion]

idiot the other day as i was filling up....

goober: is that a mazda?
me: yep...
goober: speed 3?
me: yep...
goober: brand new?
me: yep...
goober: that's pretty cool... you should went for the WRX STI... it has 300hp!!!
me laughing:...yeah, i guess, if i had an extra $18,000 lying around..

then out comes the subi this, subi that, my friends subi did this, i saw one once that did this or that.... of course he then climbs into his nifty little new beetle and peels out leaving the gas station....

FUNNY.

[Fenrir]

STi isn't THAT much faster than MS3 stock.

[oaklandopen]

Shoulda said "why would I want an sti, the wrx is faster"

[GoFast]

tell em to suck a bucket of dicks

[eg6motion]

Shoulda said "why would I want an sti, the wrx is faster"
haha, awesome

[Peter B]

I think if you look took that extra 18K you mentioned and dumped it into your MS3, well Id assume you would have a much much faster car then any STI.

[sephiroth]

I hate that kind of conversation.. meaningless and pointless. "Why would I get an STi when I can get a carrera gt, it has 600hp!"


i saw one once that did this or that.... of course he then climbs into his nifty little new beetle and peels out leaving the gas station....

FUNNY.
yeah, funny how people that start those conversations also happen to not own the cars they talk about and drive POS's. Just like every ebay-tuned civic driver that comes to the spot I got to on saturdays asks me about my audi and then proceeds to explain how a SRT-4 or the new Si is *sooo* much better. (blah)

[mrjoshyman]

I think if you look took that extra 18K you mentioned and dumped it into your MS3, well Id assume you would have a much much faster car then any STI.



MUCH MUCH FASTER. With that kind of money you'd be at 400+ WHP...

[DaleNixon]

Was it a boosted Beetle?

[sephiroth]

Was it a boosted Beetle?

the new beetles came in 1.8T form, so it's defentaly likely.

[oaklandopen]

i was filling up my gixxer one time and a guy filling up his 2.5 altima started telling me how fast he had gone in his car. why he was telling a guy with a motorcycle how fast he could go in his 4 wheeled vehicle with probably the same hp i'll never know.

i was not impressed

[sephiroth]

i was filling up my gixxer one time and a guy filling up his 2.5 altima started telling me how fast he had gone in his car. why he was telling a guy with a motorcycle how fast he could go in his 4 wheeled vehicle with probably the same hp i'll never know.

i was not impressed

yeah, you can go fast in any family car these days, it's when you hit the brakes and they turn to dust that makes them "family" cars.

[squidmotion]

nah... it wasn't a turbobeetle... just a plane one. yeah... pointless conversation....

[daonly1around]

couple guys i work with.

Does your car have a BOV?
MMM it has a stock BPV
Are you gonna put on a BOV?
I might upgrade to a better BPV when my stops working right... why
They sound cool, you should get one.
Yeah, if i want to sound like a ricer i'll get one
Its not rice, its cool sounding.
They make things that sound like BOV's when people don't even have a turbo..
So it still sounds cool.

I stopped their and didn't feel like explaining how are care runs like shit when venting to atmosphere.

and one of the 2 guys even has a legacy 2.5 GT, who also tried to tell me the specB was a 6 cylinder (screwy)

[sephiroth]

couple guys i work with.

Does your car have a BOV?
MMM it has a stock BPV
Are you gonna put on a BOV?
I might upgrade to a better BPV when my stops working right... why
They sound cool, you should get one.
Yeah, if i want to sound like a ricer i'll get one
Its not rice, its cool sounding.
They make things that sound like BOV's when people don't even have a turbo..
So it still sounds cool.

I stopped their and didn't feel like explaining how are care runs like shit when venting to atmosphere.

and one of the 2 guys even has a legacy 2.5 GT, who also tried to tell me the specB was a 6 cylinder (screwy)

amen bro.. amen..

[KellyJoe]

I used to have an NSX and got into those kind of conversations EVERY time I went out in it. I would always tell 'em that you can make a turd go fast with enough HP and they got the point. Man I miss that car.

[DaleNixon]

I actually like the sound of a BOV :ducks:

[builthatch]

I actually like the sound of a BOV :ducks:

me too; and i don't care if anyone thinks otherwise, heh.

hybrid valve FTW.

i know it'll hold boost, i know it'll sound cool.

and those of you talking about 18k add'l for the sti...

what the heck kinda sti were you looking at?

just curious, because the average new ms3 is what, 23-25...that would mean the sti would be 40k+, which it isn't. in fact some people were just picking them up for around 30k or less not too long ago....

the sti is way more upgradeable, and in a more reliable manner than our cars, you know. sure, it's expensive, but it does run mid 4 second 0-60 and has awd. downsides, some, in addition to the price, but i'd put up a new sti with a few k into it vs. any street ms3 out there. in fact i'd put a new WRX with a few K into it vs. any of our street ms3 on any of these forums. you can love the heck out of our car, but let's not lose our senses here!!!! it's an awesome car for the money, but it's not a world beater.

[sephiroth]

I actually like the sound of a BOV :ducks:
it's not so much the hate of the sound, it's the hate of the idea of changing a BPV system to run rich just to make a noise.

[builthatch]

a BPV system to run rich just to make a noise.



hybrid valve FTW.


problem solved!

:)

[dominoy2k1]

since when is a bov rice?

[sephiroth]

problem solved!

:)

hybrids still vent air, just less of it.


since when is a bov rice?
since the fast and the furious, where have you been hiding? (freak)

just my opinion, nothing more.

[MS3_KIDD]

i had a guy tell me a should put a BOV on my dads f350 the other day (dunno)
...i gave up on trying to explain to him why it wouldnt really do anything and trying to convince him i was in fact running around 25psi

then he tried racing me as i left and i left him in a cloud of black smoke =]

[builthatch]

hybrids still vent air, just less of it.


right right, but i'm saying they cause no rich conditions like a total VTA setup, atleast my TXS unit causes no such issues. it's perfect, so, you can't necessarily equate the sound discussed with the guy you were talking to, with an inefficiency on our cars...

that's all i'm saying

:)

[sephiroth]

right right, but i'm saying they cause no rich conditions like a total VTA setup, atleast my TXS unit causes no such issues. it's perfect, so, you can't necessarily equate the sound discussed with the guy you were talking to, with an inefficiency on our cars...

that's all i'm saying

:)
I understand completly, but I'm nit-picky, no matter how it's worked, it's less air being re-used for combustion, mabye your unit is more effecient than the ones commonly used for my car, but the most anyone has recorded is about 70% re-circ in the s4, which is still enough to cause recordable rich running, which is pretty bad considering the k03 borg warner pos's are fragile as is(which is probaly making me biased).. but of course none of this pertiains to his car.. or this forum for that matter..
(poke)

if it can recirc enough air then its' great for those looking to have the best of both worlds, but I still wouldn't buy it. That's just my opinion, nothing else.

[builthatch]

I understand completly, but I'm nit-picky, no matter how it's worked, it's less air being re-used for combustion, mabye your unit is more effecient than the ones commonly used for my car, but the most anyone has recorded is about 70% re-circ in the s4, which is still enough to cause recordable rich running, which is pretty bad considering the k03 borg warner pos's are fragile as is(which is probaly making me biased).. but of course none of this pertiains to his car.. or this forum for that matter..
(poke)

if it can recirc enough air then its' great for those looking to have the best of both worlds, but I still wouldn't buy it. That's just my opinion, nothing else.

doh! yep, i def forgot you were rocking an audi, hehe

[SayNoToPistons]

since when is a bov rice?

Since when people spend a few hundred on one only for sound.

[oaklandopen]

since when is a bov rice?

it falls along the same lines as cherry bombs, 10000w subwoofers with no dynamat , whistle tips, 12000k xenons, wings from a boeing, altezza tail lights, buick diamond vents...

they all scream "look at me!!! i have no legitimate functionality other than to make you look over here!!!"

[AllLostThings]

Yeah my friend with a Subi WRX does that to me too. "You should have got a WRX and had all wheel drive". Yeah the car EVERYONE out there has. FUN FUN.

[speed1016]

I would reply...


oh is that a honda?
a civic?
why didnt you just the the nsx its faster?
ass face!

I hate kids!

[DaleNixon]

I've come to the realization that I am a ricer when it comes to the turbo. If I could make mine sound like a shop vac and an exploding pressure-cooker between shifts I would.

[squidmotion]

hehehe these are GREAT!

[Young Roids]

I think if you look took that extra 18K you mentioned and dumped it into your MS3, well Id assume you would have a much much faster car then any STI.

Doubtfull. Put 18k into the speed3 and the engine will blow up

[mrjoshyman]

^^^ that is certainly possible...

[GoFast]

if you put 18k into your ms3 and dont reinforce the internals, then you are a moron and deserve it when you car blows up and when you bitch about your car being a pos because it blew up, then you should be kicked in the head for being a stupid fuck

[DaleNixon]

I think you could put 18k into a Kia and beat almost anything out there.

[Yamaha72]

me too; and i don't care if anyone thinks
just curious, because the average new ms3 is what, 23-25...that would mean the sti would be 40k+, which it isn't. in fact some people were just picking them up for around 30k or less not too long ago....

the sti is way more upgradeable, and in a more reliable manner than our cars, you know. sure, it's expensive, but it does run mid 4 second 0-60 and has awd. downsides, some, in addition to the price, but i'd put up a new sti with a few k into it vs. any street ms3 out there. in fact i'd put a new WRX with a few K into it vs. any of our street ms3 on any of these forums. you can love the heck out of our car, but let's not lose our senses here!!!! it's an awesome car for the money, but it's not a world beater.

Due to the fact of the current economic situation... Anyhow STI's MSRP is $35,660 which is on average 10k more than any MS3... The train of thought I have is you *CAN build a better car than a factory STI with the MS3 platform and 10k.. Easily. I wish the factory MS3 was AWD, that would really shut up a lot of people!

[oaklandopen]

I'd just put $18k into the custom awd system and leave the engine the same (except maybe preventing boost limit in 1st and 2nd). But then again it might end up costing more than that anyway

[Young Roids]

if you put 18k into your ms3 and dont reinforce the internals, then you are a moron and deserve it when you car blows up and when you bitch about your car being a pos because it blew up, then you should be kicked in the head for being a stupid fuck

Forged con rods or not the computer needs to be tuned and that's not really happening right now.

[Peter B]

Man I wish I saw a STI going for $30k, I woulda bought it! I saw used ones going for that much.

That said the MS3 has pretty much everything I want. AWD would be great if I went to drag strips, but I don't, and I value the better gas milage over the ability to launch that fast. Once off the line the MS3 has all the get up and go one could ask for. One of the better reviews I read mentioned that the car is not limiteded by a lack of power or torque, but by traction and gear ratios. And that seems to hold true for me. The biggest killer when punching the gas is the chirping wheels and the fact that you have to shift about 18 times before 60mph. (ok, 18 might be a slight exaggeration)

As for the AWD mod, didn't someone figure out you could do it for less then $5k? Isn't there a AWD 3 sold in japan?

Oh, my uncle used to have a turbo diesel beetle! It was fast... almost.

[daonly1around]

Man I wish I saw a STI going for $30k, I woulda bought it! I saw used ones going for that much.

That said the MS3 has pretty much everything I want. AWD would be great if I went to drag strips, but I don't, and I value the better gas milage over the ability to launch that fast. Once off the line the MS3 has all the get up and go one could ask for. One of the better reviews I read mentioned that the car is not limiteded by a lack of power or torque, but by traction and gear ratios. And that seems to hold true for me. The biggest killer when punching the gas is the chirping wheels and the fact that you have to shift about 18 times before 60mph. (ok, 18 might be a slight exaggeration)

As for the AWD mod, didn't someone figure out you could do it for less then $5k? Isn't there a AWD 3 sold in japan?

Oh, my uncle used to have a turbo diesel beetle! It was fast... almost.
DG (people that make a lot of the CF stuff for mazdas) has an awd ms3 they made..

[08_MS3_GT]

the STi and Evo are certainly influential cars in that they have helped the sport compact to become more popular. they themselves are so popular that cops will pull you over simply because you're driving one; particularly the Evo. and now they'll lose their market share because people can have all the fun for 2/3 the price in cars like the MS3.

a car fanatic may recognize my MS3, but i sure as hell don't mind that cops rarely give it a second look. and the last big bad STi i encountered (last-gen) had an exhaust and whatever else but couldn't pull away from my practical, reasonably inexpensive, yet fast and well-appointed 5-door hatch.

[Peter B]

.... and the last big bad STi i encountered (last-gen) had an exhaust and whatever else but couldn't pull away from my practical, reasonably inexpensive, yet fast and well-appointed 5-door hatch.

Yep, once off the line...err outta 2nd gear the MS3 really flies!

[Nismothecat]

Doubtfull. Put 18k into the speed3 and the engine will blow up


if you put 18k into the engine and didnt touch the internals you deserve a blown motor.

[Young Roids]

So how many people have put forged pistons and rods in and have success with making big power?

[GoFast]

19

[08_MS3_GT]

So how many people have put forged pistons and rods in and have success with making big power?

is this intended to be a challenge?

i don't know as much about the MS3 as other cars, but forged internals generally help with making big power, particularly given the mid-RPM torque spike common to turbo engines. the DISI may have fueling and tuning issues, though.

[Super Unique]

screw all these other cars, I want to see a speed3 engine, or the new renesis rotary installed into a late model mx5 :)

[Young Roids]

is this intended to be a challenge?

i don't know as much about the MS3 as other cars, but forged internals generally help with making big power, particularly given the mid-RPM torque spike common to turbo engines. the DISI may have fueling and tuning issues, though.

I'm just saying that I don't see much success on this motor with throwing 18k at it forged or otherwise. Untill someone learns to tune it reliably we won't be seeing reliable high horsepower engines.

[stockms3]

I think people that buy speed3's are not trying to achieve 400whp at least most of them, it's simple it's a fun fast inexpensive car.

[Peter B]

I think people that buy speed3's are not trying to achieve 400whp at least most of them, it's simple it's a fun fast inexpensive car.

Umm ... I dunno bout the rest of you loosers, but i will be welding wings onto mine with the intent of making it fly. :D

[oaklandopen]

screw all these other cars, I want to see a speed3 engine, or the new renesis rotary installed into a late model mx5 :)

omg i've been thinking the same thing since i had my 99....except i wasn't thinking about the renesis. i was thinking more along the lines of the 13b, or even an NA 3rotor

[79_Limited]

New Beetle huh?

Did you ask him if he was going to be late for cheerleader practice?

[irnbru83]

The question I get constantly is, "Why did you replace your Trans Am with a Mazda 3? Did you get tired of having a fast car?"


Sigh... for all of it's power off the line, and it's beautifully linear torque curve, my Trans Am still does 0-60 in same time as the MS3. Pretty sure after second to third shift, my MS3 would walk my T/A.



T/A sounds a hell of a lot better though. Magnaflow is win.

[mckraut]

Funny story - Recently after work I had my friend drop me off at a local car shop to pickup my MS3 after they had finished putting all season tires on it. My conversation with the guy at the counter went something like this.

Me: Hey, I'm here to pickup the black Mazda.
Him: That's your car? When I came in on my shift, everyone in the shop was standing around it drooling. We rarely see those in here, it's really nice.
Me: Oh, thanks man. I like it a lot.

*silence for a little bit while he gathers my paperwork*

Him: Let me ask you a question...do you think you need a bigger turbo?
Me: Not right now, no. I probably won't end up doing a lot of work to the car.
Him: Ok, that's what I thought. Apparently every other yoyo around here that plays car video games is a goddamn "expert".

I loled.

[Zimmer]

I get a lot of:
"Hey nice car! I love those Mazda 3's."
Already realizing they don't know what they're looking at, "Thanks its actually a Mazdaspeed3."

Or
"That exhaust is stock?(uhm)"

When I first bought my speed in '07 I witnessed a guy almost blow a load in his minivan literally screaming back and forth at me then his wife:
"Hey Hey that's a mazdaspeed3!"
To me, "Hey is that a Mazdspeed3?"
Back to his wife, "Hunny that's what I want! That's what I want!"

[Moultese]

I get a lot of

"hey, nice mini van"
or
"Hey, cool station wagon"


I've only had one person tell me I should have got an STi. I told them that if I had the money for an STi, I'd get an Evo, lol.

I did have a woman approach me in the parking lot of best buy saying she wanted my car, lol.

[DaleNixon]

I get a lot of:
"Hey nice car! I love those Mazda 3's."
Already realizing they don't know what they're looking at, "Thanks its actually a Mazdaspeed3."

Or
"That exhaust is stock?(uhm)"

When I first bought my speed in '07 I witnessed a guy almost blow a load in his minivan literally screaming back and forth at me then his wife:
"Hey Hey that's a mazdaspeed3!"
To me, "Hey is that a Mazdspeed3?"
Back to his wife, "Hunny that's what I want! That's what I want!"

Man I would have just grinned and said "thanks". Then turn off DSC and burned through the tires in the first 3 gears.

[08_MS3_GT]

Man I would have just grinned and said "thanks". Then turn off DSC and burned through the tires in the first 3 gears.

how exactly do you burn thru the tires in the first 3 gears!?!?!?!

i can light them up in 1st, sure, and second has some issues if i'm really hard on it, but 3rd usually has solid traction.

maybe if you start by burning thru first and shift quickly, it's possible to induce wheelspin in 2nd and 3rd?

[Peter B]

I did have a woman approach me in the parking lot of best buy saying she wanted my car, lol.

Please tell me you didn't just say 'thanks' and drive away. You took her home right?

[DaleNixon]

how exactly do you burn thru the tires in the first 3 gears!?!?!?!

i can light them up in 1st, sure, and second has some issues if i'm really hard on it, but 3rd usually has solid traction.

maybe if you start by burning thru first and shift quickly, it's possible to induce wheelspin in 2nd and 3rd?

I'm just talking shit. I've never even burned through first.

[08_MS3_GT]

I'm just talking shit. I've never even burned through first.

ah, alright. well, first is fun (drive2) you should try it

[DaleNixon]

I'm still afraid to launch it. I'm afraid the turbo will start smoking like a death row inmate, the engine mounts will all explode, and my new Cobb SRI will rip the battery right out of the engine bay and throw acid all over me.

[Zimmer]

I'm still afraid to launch it. I'm afraid the turbo will start smoking like a death row inmate, the engine mounts will all explode, and my new Cobb SRI will rip the battery right out of the engine bay and throw acid all over me.

LOL. I hate when that happens.

[irnbru83]

Fast cars are made to be driven fast! Cars only blow up in The Fast and the Furious.

[mckraut]

Fast cars are made to be driven fast! Cars only blow up in The Fast and the Furious.

Wait...do you mean to tell me that F&F wasn't real?

[08_MS3_GT]

Wait...do you mean to tell me that F&F wasn't real?

F&F is SO real. i get all of my parts from Harry - he hooks me up with the NOSSSSSSSSSS. my car is an amazing machine because i've put in the wrench time...

[Moultese]

I, for one, live my life a quarter mile at a time.

[irnbru83]

Last night I tried to get my MS3 underneath an 18-wheeler.



Now I have a hard-top convertible. Sort of.

[Circle9]

Do mine for me?

[CrazyT]

I, for one, live my life a quarter mile at a time.
(rlaugh)


Last night I tried to get my MS3 underneath an 18-wheeler.



Now I have a hard-top convertible. Sort of.

Dude! Don't you know that the MS3 has cross bracing in the roof?!

Wait, what were we talking about, anyway?! (shrug)

[UHATEIT]

this is a great thread, we need more of these!

i hate all the subi this subi that crap. I let my buddy drive my ms3 and he had the wrx wagon he had been dreaming of for years and said he liked my car so much he would trade his subi in for one.

But all the rantuing and raving about the subaru is pointless in Los Angeles where is doesnt snow, it doesn't rain, cops are DICKS, and the traffic is so bad you can't use the power anyways.

the extra 18k is better spent in a savigns account for your kid's college fund then investing it into a subaru or any car for that matter that depriciates

[Moultese]

For what it's worth, I drove my buddy's Cobb Stage 2 STi and it was amazing. Fucker pulled. Hard.

I still love me's Mazdaspeed3

[03.5-dc-speed]

i hate these kind of people!

so im at work and some guy is telling me about his girlfriends ms6 and how bad ass it was. (the ms6 is on the forums somewhere, blacked out with pink emblem) anyways he sounds convincing at first, then he started to talk shit on my msp, my mind started to change. he then told me that this ms6 wasted a eg hatch on the highway! i asked him everything about the civic and sure enough it was one of my buddy's cars which before it was stolen had 500whp with full race everything and tuned by courtney greene(major tuner out here in utah and he races everywhere), car was badass! he started bragging about his girlfriends ms6.......so i asked what he drove........fuckin ford probe! i almost faught this guy at work!

i hate noobs that think they know it all, they are just as bad as the cholos and there street trucks or riced out hondas!!

[240ka]

so i asked what he drove........fuckin ford probe! i almost faught this guy at work!

hahaha

this was the best part hahahahahahah

[Snyeed]

^^ is his name Matt?

[Peter B]

Hey! Don't be hating on the probe! That was my first car ever, almost 10 years ago. It was super fast... from 0-30... or in a free fall.


A co-worker of mine is one of those people who knows alot about cars. You just gotta pick through what he says cause half of it is spot on, and the rest is some pipe dream. He was tellin me all about his buddy's 2007 MS3 with a 6 cylinder 273 Hp engine. You know, the one from the MS6.

I tried to explain that there is no 6 cylinder version of the MS3, and that the MS6 used the same engine used in the MS3.

I was informed I was clearly wrong. To which i replied "oh yeah i guess your right, your buddies car sounds fast" (and made up). Pretty sure i had this conversation about 50 times with him too.

[03.5-dc-speed]

^^ is his name Matt?

i think it might be? im sure you have seen the ms6 im talkin about. he used to always come into my work and talk cars . the ms6 is murdered out with pink badges, and can definatly not beat a 500whp civic.......... i work at delton bowling lanes in wvc. if your ever in the area and see my car there i will hook you up with some bowling!

240ka: it was the funniest part for sure cause it almost happened and the dude was twice my size but dumb as shit!

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

I almost faught this guy at work!

faught? Is this slang I never heard before, or was it supposed to be fought, as in "engaged in combat"?

[Moultese]

faught? Is this slang I never heard before, or was it supposed to be fought, as in "engaged in combat"?

You seem intelligent enough. Make a guess.(jerkit)

Fucking grammar nazis.

[Snyeed]

Well there is a girl that we meet up with that has a MS6 with pink emblems, her boyfriend name is Matt but he drives a regular 6. anyways hes a cool kid and that doesn't sound like him but who knows. If you come to a meet this summer I guess we will find out.

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

You seem intelligent enough. Make a guess.(jerkit)

Fucking grammar nazis.

1) That's spelling not grammar.
2) I was serious.

[SayNoToPistons]

^ :rofl:

[Sport6]

Well there is a girl that we meet up with that has a MS6 with pink emblems, her boyfriend name is Matt but he drives a regular 6. anyways hes a cool kid and that doesn't sound like him but who knows. If you come to a meet this summer I guess we will find out.

haha i know the people you are talkin about from the 6club. I used to be a 6S

[03.5-dc-speed]

Well there is a girl that we meet up with that has a MS6 with pink emblems, her boyfriend name is Matt but he drives a regular 6. anyways hes a cool kid and that doesn't sound like him but who knows. If you come to a meet this summer I guess we will find out.

i wanna come to some meets this year so we will find out! but who knows maybe she got a new boyfriend!


You seem intelligent enough. Make a guess.(jerkit)

Fucking grammar nazis.

no shit! i have just been busted by a spelling cop! haha


but yeah i meant fought mid life crisis.

[GoFast]

...I used to be a 6S

and now you transformed into a human???(cool)

[chrisp]

I think if you look took that extra 18K you mentioned and dumped it into your MS3, well Id assume you would have a much much faster car then any STI.

last time I checked the sti wasnt 43k. The speed3 goes for around 25k. The new sti will go for around 31k since they are having a hard time selling them. 6k isnt all that much. You put that 6k into your mazda and you have no warranty and no awd so it will pretty much be useless below 40mph. sti FTW!

[mrjoshyman]

yesterday on nye i was asked by a friend whos got an sti why i got the madaspeed 3 instead of an sti..my reply was: my ride is @ least 10k less than yours, my ride imo looks much nicer interior and exterior, i dont remember the last time i launched my car, and from a roll your car is no faster than mine..

[chrisp]

yesterday on nye i was asked by a friend whos got an sti why i got the madaspeed 3 instead of an sti..my reply was: my ride is @ least 10k less than yours, my ride imo looks much nicer interior and exterior, i dont remember the last time i launched my car, and from a roll your car is no faster than mine..

wow your very wrong, as far as looks thats just your opinion, 10k is not right, from a roll sti is definately faster. I did this race with my brother in laws 07 speed3. hes mesarec on this site(you can ask him). We did about a 30 roll and I pulled a couple cars on him. from a dig I didnt launch and he actually beat me off the line, and I still pulled a couple cars on him to about 100

[Peter B]

If the STI were a girl at a frat party... she would be the one that is so fugly frat guys ask each other to cblock them if they get to get drunk enough to go there. That car is a good idea gone all wrong.

As for the price, I picked up my GT for 23.3k. The best I could get on an STI was 36k even. I know I know, "but they start at 35..." BLAH BLAH BLAH! I couldn't find any at the starting price, because as soon as you add anything... the price goes up. Either way..its still an easy 12-13k over the cost of a MS3. (Way out of my price range) Even more if you start adding stuff. Like 18" wheels are another $2000. I seem to remember them being standard on my MS3.

[chrisp]

If the STI were a girl at a frat party... she would be the one that is so fugly frat guys ask each other to cblock them if they get to get drunk enough to go there. That car is a good idea gone all wrong.

As for the price, I picked up my GT for 23.3k. The best I could get on an STI was 36k even. I know I know, "but they start at 35..." BLAH BLAH BLAH! I couldn't find any at the starting price, because as soon as you add anything... the price goes up. Either way..its still an easy 12-13k over the cost of a MS3. (Way out of my price range) Even more if you start adding stuff. Like 18" wheels are another $2000. I seem to remember them being standard on my MS3.

My buddy jim bought an 08 sti about 2 months ago for 31k, and they offer 0% financing! thats a great deal!

[Peter B]

Probably because its the end of the year and they want to get rid of them.

I looked high and low. WRX/STI was my dream car for many years. I could not get into the STI for less then 36K when I got my car.

...and its still fugly

[08_MS3_GT]

My buddy jim bought an 08 sti about 2 months ago for 31k, and they offer 0% financing! thats a great deal!

i've heard of this same thing - a guy i work with mentioned that they're knocking thousands of dollars off of the 08's to get rid of inventory. i'm guessing they'll sell even fewer 09's now that the wrx is quicker and the economy has imploded.

sti's are nice, that's for sure. i don't care for the way it looks, but at the same time it does look aggressive which can be fun. bulging fenders, etc. and the AWD gives them more capability over the ms3.

BUT they're more expensive than the ms3, though not as much anymore for the 08's, and the cop/attention factor may be huge. and the factory ECU setup includes a HUGE lean condition at the rev limiter that has been causing engine failures (pistons, con rods, etc). a few trips to rev limit and your compression is destroyed.

[chrisp]

i've heard of this same thing - a guy i work with mentioned that they're knocking thousands of dollars off of the 08's to get rid of inventory. i'm guessing they'll sell even fewer 09's now that the wrx is quicker and the economy has imploded.

sti's are nice, that's for sure. i don't care for the way it looks, but at the same time it does look aggressive which can be fun. bulging fenders, etc. and the AWD gives them more capability over the ms3.

BUT they're more expensive than the ms3, though not as much anymore for the 08's, and the cop/attention factor may be huge. and the factory ECU setup includes a HUGE lean condition at the rev limiter that has been causing engine failures (pistons, con rods, etc). a few trips to rev limit and your compression is destroyed.

they are having a hard time cuz very few people like the new body style. U could literally go tomorrow and buy one for 30-32k with zero%. They are reliable tho. Alot of people were having trouble when they added mods but didnt have the computer tuned.

[oaklandopen]

EVOs have 0% financing too. but im pretty sure that everyone is doing stuff like that cuz of the economy and all car companies are suffering. and by all i really mean all, even toyota. the best selling vehicle in 2008 was the ford f150, and that was probably only cuz it makes a good fleet vehicle, and every contractor has one.

if you have the money, you can find real steals out there, and now's the time to buy. you can price out a corvette with lt3 package to like $60k and some change, and still get like $8k off.

[chrisp]

chrysler is doing a buy one get one free! lol

[squidmotion]

the sti i drove was listed at 40k.... seriously.

they are very popular around here... i haven't heard of one going for 31k... that would be a good deal. however...


it's just not the car we wanted.. i hate (HATE) the looks. the hatchback is just more awful looking. yeah, that's my opinion, but that's why i didn't want a subaru, or chev, or srt-whatever, as i was more interested in my opinion than anyone elses.. :)

not really looking to beat everything (or anything) out there... at a more reasonable 10k over the price of a MS3, it still wouldn't have interested me.. in fact, if it were priced THE SAME it wouldn't have interested me... just not the car i wanted. is it more capable? certainly. is it THAT much more capable for the money, i guess to some it is.. but not me.

if i would have brought home a subie to my wife, she would have changed the locks on me... i don't know why she is so intensely anti-subie??!!?!?

[Zimmer]

I have recently considered just scoping out an '08 STI. Don't get me wrong I love my speed. I just want to see what the deals are out there and obviously I could walk away because I'm happy. But my friend just purchased a 4dr wrangler, new. He gave a ridiculous offer back in early Nov. The dealer told him twice to come in and they'd give him what he wanted and they always backed away from the deal and the last day of Nov. they called him and said okay seriously we'll give you your deal and they did. I forget but I think he got 7K off the asking price. He was in a good situation because he didn't need the car so figured why not play the market.

[chrisp]

I have recently considered just scoping out an '08 STI. Don't get me wrong I love my speed. I just want to see what the deals are out there and obviously I could walk away because I'm happy. But my friend just purchased a 4dr wrangler, new. He gave a ridiculous offer back in early Nov. The dealer told him twice to come in and they'd give him what he wanted and they always backed away from the deal and the last day of Nov. they called him and said okay seriously we'll give you your deal and they did. I forget but I think he got 7K off the asking price. He was in a good situation because he didn't need the car so figured why not play the market.

the dealers are really at the mercy of the consumer. Especially being jan 09, you can get insane deals. I saw on the news that crysler was taking a month off at their plants, so you could probably get one for half price! As far as the whole speed3 sti debate, to each his own. The funny thing is alot of people say they hate the look of the sti but love the speed3. My brother in law has the dark grey(almost black) speed3, and my buddy jim has the 08 black sti. When they are parked next to each other, in person they look soooo much alike. When you compare them side by side the speed 3 almost looks boring with the stis fender flares and dual exhaust. But, to each his own

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

if i would have brought home a subie to my wife, she would have changed the locks on me... i don't know why she is so intensely anti-subie??!!?!?

Did she ever live in Vermont?

[DaleNixon]

I just looked up STI's at my local Subaru dealer. They are listed between $38K and $41K. These are 2009's mind you.

[squidmotion]

Did she ever live in Vermont?


no... colorado either... lotsa subies in CO....

i think it is a combo. looks she doesn't like, she says they sound like old VWs when you add a CBE (she's kinda right, however old 1300s didn't pack over 300hp from the factory) i figure an old ex-boyfriend must have had one or something...


i saw a new sti on the tollway today... all black with the goldish/bronzish wheels... it actually looked pretty good... it wasn't the hatch, though... bleck. (sick)


believe me... those subies are some bad lil mofos! i know it took me to the end of second gear in my old V8 luv to outrun one a few years ago... that thing was on me like a rash... pulled me hard out of the hole, but i went by him in first gear... then he stayed right on my rear quarter until we got about 90, then i moved on away .... but i wasn't pulling away that hard! needless to say, i was impressed.....

having looked at and driven just about all of the vehicles in this price range, a few over (like the sti) a few under (sentra vspec)... of all, i still felt the MS3 to be more to my style of driving...

and after a quick trip through the twisties on the way to mom and dad's to pick up the baby (one of the main reasons i wanted this car)... i feel i made a great decision... wonderful little car.. :)

this is my first turbocharged car... what a hoot boost is... WHOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHH.

this really makes me want to build a turbo rotary...... or even a SBC with a turbo.... muhhahahahahahhaaa (writhing hands)....

[chrisp]

no... colorado either... lotsa subies in CO....

i think it is a combo. looks she doesn't like, she says they sound like old VWs when you add a CBE (she's kinda right, however old 1300s didn't pack over 300hp from the factory) i figure an old ex-boyfriend must have had one or something...


i saw a new sti on the tollway today... all black with the goldish/bronzish wheels... it actually looked pretty good... it wasn't the hatch, though... bleck. (sick)


believe me... those subies are some bad lil mofos! i know it took me to the end of second gear in my old V8 luv to outrun one a few years ago... that thing was on me like a rash... pulled me hard out of the hole, but i went by him in first gear... then he stayed right on my rear quarter until we got about 90, then i moved on away .... but i wasn't pulling away that hard! needless to say, i was impressed.....

having looked at and driven just about all of the vehicles in this price range, a few over (like the sti) a few under (sentra vspec)... of all, i still felt the MS3 to be more to my style of driving...

and after a quick trip through the twisties on the way to mom and dad's to pick up the baby (one of the main reasons i wanted this car)... i feel i made a great decision... wonderful little car.. :)

this is my first turbocharged car... what a hoot boost is... WHOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHH.

this really makes me want to build a turbo rotary...... or even a SBC with a turbo.... muhhahahahahahhaaa (writhing hands)....

the new sti is only offered in a hatch. If it was a sedan it was probably an 06-07

[squidmotion]

ah... my bad... it must have been an earlier one then...


the one i drove was a hatch...

[irnbru83]

+1 on STi being an ugly, ugly car.

[madvillian]

My buddy jim bought an 08 sti about 2 months ago for 31k, and they offer 0% financing! thats a great deal!

(flame) god i wish i would have had that deal in front of me..

[daonly1around]

(flame) god i wish i would have had that deal in front of me..

you and me both, that would have ended up being cheaper than my ms3 GT... after interest.

[squidmotion]

honestly... i've been really fond of the mazda 3 hatches for a long time... a good friend abused one... he loved that car! it hauled him and his son all over, racing bikes and competing in adventure races and triathalons.....

R.I.P., uncle roger... i miss you every day... he passed away two years ago, abrupt heart failure... 50 years old... we used to joke about how he had a 20 yr old body... he would outlive us all... sniff.

that was a pretty car, and he liked it...

my sister (EXTREMELY hard on cars), had a millenia that she drove like mad... she always maintains her cars... then punishes them severly... she also loved that car.. i thought it ran great... like it enjoyed the abuse... hehehe.


i was sure my next econo-ride was going to be a regular mz3... regular hatch... then i saw and test drove the speed3... it was on my list of test drives of cars with 200hp or more, my new requirement...

i drove a few more cars, just to be sure... but it was over... MS3 all the way.... or FTW, as i just learned... or FTFW... to be smart... :)


i also fell in love with the looks... the regular mz3 is a nice looking car.. right wheels for the job... more horseys than anything else... (178, i think?)... but the cool hoodline of the speed3... hehehe... i always think of chuck norris' chin...

there is no chin behind chuck norris' beard. there is only another fist.

if this car remains trouble free, and blasts me around every now and then, it is on the fast track to becoming a favorite.... and i haven't even pushed it that hard... well... maybe a bit :)

and i just put mile 900 on it...



sorry for the long posts... i'm a bit wordy... get used to it.

[kneedragger241]

Everyone's an expert... on everything!

there's always someone telling you what you should have bought, what you should have done or where you should have gone.
You know what?!?! I fuckin' hate armchair quarterbacks!

The answer is simple. If it's what I should have have bought/done/gone, why didn't YOU buy/do/go it?

That's what I thought. Fuckhead.

[oaklandopen]

Everyone's an expert... on everything!

there's always someone telling you what you should have bought, what you should have done or where you should have gone.
You know what?!?! I fuckin' hate armchair quarterbacks!

The answer is simple. If it's what I should have have bought/done/gone, why didn't YOU buy/do/go it?

That's what I thought. Fuckhead.

looking back, i should have not read that

[chrisp]

Everyone's an expert... on everything!

there's always someone telling you what you should have bought, what you should have done or where you should have gone.
You know what?!?! I fuckin' hate armchair quarterbacks!

The answer is simple. If it's what I should have have bought/done/gone, why didn't YOU buy/do/go it?

That's what I thought. Fuckhead.

what a dink(butt)

[kneedragger241]

What?
You guys are here having a three page long discussion because someone told someone else they should have got a different car and I say "why give a fuck?" what anybody else thinks and you're calling me a dink?

Yeah, I got anger issues, so what?!
At least I can spell good.

(grammar botched intentionally)

[neg.split]

you should have got a DELL

[intak3_bLkMs3]

[QUOTE=03.5-dc-speed;4281361]i hate these kind of people!

so im at work and some guy is telling me about his girlfriends ms6 and how bad ass it was. (the ms6 is on the forums somewhere, blacked out with pink emblem) anyways he sounds convincing at first, then he started to talk shit on my msp, my mind started to change. he then told me that this ms6 wasted a eg hatch on the highway! i asked him everything about the civic and sure enough it was one of my buddy's cars which before it was stolen had 500whp with full race everything and tuned by courtney greene(major tuner out here in utah and he races everywhere), car was badass! he started bragging about his girlfriends ms6.......so i asked what he drove........fuckin ford probe! i almost faught this guy at work!

lol i know that girl ive cruised with her a couple times she actually worked at mazda dealership on state and 45th by the chev. didnt she?

[MSP2024]

i belive your talking about turbo6girl, the cars is stock motor wise she has a cat delet and thats it for performance he thinks its amazingly fast though kinda seemed like a doushe too
..06.ms6.sport..black.mica..vg.sharkfin.antenna..5 %.tint.on.rear.15%.tint.on.front..
..tsw.catalunya."hyper.black".rims..riken.raptor.225-40-18.tires..
..megan.racing.lowering.springs..harwired.escort.r adar.detector..
..black.mica.emblems..1g.dsm.bov..cat.delete.mod.. 6000K.high.beams..
her mods list, not all that impresive

[squidmotion]

Everyone's an expert... on everything!

there's always someone telling you what you should have bought, what you should have done or where you should have gone.
You know what?!?! I fuckin' hate armchair quarterbacks!

The answer is simple. If it's what I should have have bought/done/gone, why didn't YOU buy/do/go it?

That's what I thought. Fuckhead.

yeah, FHs everywhere! it doesn't take much time or money to be a FH.

it is kind of the same when i had my SS nova, a car that i liked to keep as factory looking as i could... a few well thought out performance pieces.... it was quick but all of my friends were faster...

some of my favorites:

'why don't you put on some centerlines, or weld wheels?' (mine had the stock SS wheels) ... you ever try to panic stop a car with 3" wide front drag tires??

'man that thing would look so much better with a tunnel ram sticking out of the hood' ... yah, i wanna destroy my factory SS hood...

'you should swap in an automatic, 4-speeds are slow' (actually true but still, WTF?)

'that z-28 LT-1 intake doesn't work, you need a victor jr.'...

'why don't you run ladder bars, and jack up the back? that would make it faster'

'does it have a posey rearend? (yes, pronounced like the flower)

'what's a 'turbojet 350'? does this thing have a turbo?'

'they never made an SS nova with a bench seat and a 4-speed, your car is obviously a clone' .... this guy was too much.





and my all time favorite:

'my stock mustang 5.0 can take you'

[boostdog]

you guys talk about how "ugly" the sti is but it looks so much like an ms3 it's not funny! it's like calling your own ugly.....? take a look here - with the right mods it looks killer..i'd drive this one in a heart beat!

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k53/boostdog/445882936_iyTmR-XL.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k53/boostdog/445880740_yLbLW-XL.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k53/boostdog/445881242_YvD4A-XL.jpg

[GoFast]

i dont think its ugly at all. i like it a lot

[squidmotion]

that one does look pretty damn good...

i still think it's ugly... :) ugly and fast as shit...

[boostdog]

that one does look pretty damn good...

i still think it's ugly... :) ugly and fast as shit...

but not as fast as your ss but not as slow as a 5.0 mustang .... LOL!

[kneedragger241]

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k53/boostdog/445882936_iyTmR-XL.jpg


Yeah, I'd hit that.
In all honesty, I was looking at the STi when I ended up with my MS3.
The dealership I went to has both Mazda and Subaru. The STi might have some more awesomeness than my MS3, but considering that I picked up my 2007 with 10K miles for just under $20K, I'm plenty happy with my awesomeness per dollar ratio.

[squidmotion]

but not as fast as your ss but not as slow as a 5.0 mustang .... LOL!


LOL!

hehehe... i think i'm going to enjoy being an import guy!

[boostdog]

LOL!

hehehe... i think i'm going to enjoy being an import guy!

there really is something that gives me a good feeling that having 1/2 the cyl. of a domestic muscle car and being able to go faster and turn better with 1/2 as much of an engine. i have always said leave it the jap/germans to do more with less than american vehicles.


now don't get me wrong i think mustangs are ok and love old muscle cars but anything new that's out now really does nothing for me. ( except the zr-1 and a viper) i'd rock out with my c*ck out in one of those!!!(drive2)

[boostdog]

Yeah, I'd hit that.
In all honesty, I was looking at the STi when I ended up with my MS3.
The dealership I went to has both Mazda and Subaru. The STi might have some more awesomeness than my MS3, but considering that I picked up my 2007 with 10K miles for just under $20K, I'm plenty happy with my awesomeness per dollar ratio.

for sure the ms3 is a fantastic vehicle...if it only had come in awd i'd be driving one..i try to keep atleast 1 awd veh. in the family and with our crazy weather it sure is nice to have and i didn't really care for the ms6...to heavy!

[03.5-dc-speed]

[QUOTE=03.5-dc-speed;4281361]i hate these kind of people!

lol i know that girl ive cruised with her a couple times she actually worked at mazda dealership on state and 45th by the chev. didnt she?

really haha, i dont actually know here ive just seen her with him when they used to come bowling. but she might have worked at that dealer i dont know!

by the way do you have rally armour mud flaps and tinted windows? i think i saw you on i-80 before?


i belive your talking about turbo6girl, the cars is stock motor wise she has a cat delet and thats it for performance he thinks its amazingly fast though kinda seemed like a doushe too
..06.ms6.sport..black.mica..vg.sharkfin.antenna..5 %.tint.on.rear.15%.tint.on.front..
..tsw.catalunya."hyper.black".rims..riken.raptor.225-40-18.tires..
..megan.racing.lowering.springs..harwired.escort.r adar.detector..
..black.mica.emblems..1g.dsm.bov..cat.delete.mod.. 6000K.high.beams..
her mods list, not all that impresive


so you know the guy im talking about? he really talked that car up like it was the shit.

[chrisp]

you guys talk about how "ugly" the sti is but it looks so much like an ms3 it's not funny! it's like calling your own ugly.....? take a look here - with the right mods it looks killer..i'd drive this one in a heart beat!

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k53/boostdog/445882936_iyTmR-XL.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k53/boostdog/445880740_yLbLW-XL.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k53/boostdog/445881242_YvD4A-XL.jpg

(drive) I would drive that car anyday

[paylew]

Wow. I hate the new STi, but that one is hott!

Boostdog, where in AR are you?

[Peter B]

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k53/boostdog/445882936_iyTmR-XL.jpg


Wait is that civic? :D

[Young Roids]

they should make a 5 door hatch version of the civic

[Peter B]

no.... lets not encourage people to buy civics

[MSP2024]

so you know the guy im talking about? he really talked that car up like it was the shit.

yeah i know who your talking about, they both post in the utah section, not really a fan of either one

[boostdog]

Wow. I hate the new STi, but that one is hott!

Boostdog, where in AR are you?

Springdale(piss)

[boostdog]

Wait is that civic? :D

no it's a rebadged ms3 (silly)

[chrisp]

no it's a rebadged ms3 (silly)

lol, that sti looks so much better than any speed3 i have ever seen(nana)

[Peter B]

no it's a rebadged ms3 (silly)

OOOOOhhhhh... man that thing looks beat up. Did someone roll it into a ditch or something?

[irnbru83]

there really is something that gives me a good feeling that having 1/2 the cyl. of a domestic muscle car and being able to go faster and turn better with 1/2 as much of an engine.





LS1 is so far superior that... I really have nothing to add. LS1 is The Engine.

[daonly1around]

there really is something that gives me a good feeling that having 1/2 the cyl. of a domestic muscle car and being able to go faster and turn better with 1/2 as much of an engine. i have always said leave it the jap/germans to do more with less than american vehicles.


now don't get me wrong i think mustangs are ok and love old muscle cars but anything new that's out now really does nothing for me. ( except the zr-1 and a viper) i'd rock out with my c*ck out in one of those!!!(drive2)

you do realize that an T56 LT1/Ls1 Vette, Camaro, or Trans am get about the same gas millage as a MS3 and only run on mid grade right? they easily get 25 MPG on the highway...

But i can hall more people and more things in my Speed(rockon)

[boostdog]

you do realize that an T56 LT1/Ls1 Vette, Camaro, or Trans am get about the same gas millage as a MS3 and only run on mid grade right? they easily get 25 MPG on the highway...

But i can hall more people and more things in my Speed(rockon)

LS1 is so far superior that... I really have nothing to add. LS1 is The Engine.

you do know that i don't care(breakn) and don't forget you have room for your mullet too.

i kid i kid....

[F430TECH]

you guys talk about how "ugly" the sti is but it looks so much like an ms3 it's not funny! it's like calling your own ugly.....? take a look here - with the right mods it looks killer..i'd drive this one in a heart beat!

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k53/boostdog/445882936_iyTmR-XL.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k53/boostdog/445880740_yLbLW-XL.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k53/boostdog/445881242_YvD4A-XL.jpg

Yeah...thats the Sti I would drive...

[03.5-dc-speed]

yeah i know who your talking about, they both post in the utah section, not really a fan of either one

i dont really look in the utah section that much

[Snyeed]

i dont really look in the utah section that much

Well you should cause its the coolest place on earth!

Great now there is going to be drama at the meets cause people gotta hate!

[Huligan]

Shoulda said "why would I want an sti, the wrx is faster"

??? are u smoking? wrx faster than sti?

or is that sarcasm that i did not get

[CnoTataymo]

Yeah, in some magazine reviews, the new 09 WRX is faster then the latest STI by a few tenths of a second. It's true.

[Huligan]

that does not make sense...

220 hp vs. 300? how does that happen

[03.5-dc-speed]

Well you should cause its the coolest place on earth!

Great now there is going to be drama at the meets cause people gotta hate!

haha! i will check it out then!

if there is drama at a meet then i will leave! haha i can handle the stories i just dont like them when they get to the bad parts! haha!

when is the first meet? me my brother and my friend with a reg. 3 are going to attend them!

[boostdog]

that does not make sense...

220 hp vs. 300? how does that happen

it happens because the car is making 265hp now..and hasn't made 220 since 05...they have been underrating the car for some time but the 09 is now rated at 265...also it takes 2 shifts to get to 60 in the wrx vs. 3 in the sti due to the 6 speed.

[Donas64]

Shoulda said "why would I want an sti, the wrx is faster"

perfect!

[Snyeed]

haha! i will check it out then!

if there is drama at a meet then i will leave! haha i can handle the stories i just dont like them when they get to the bad parts! haha!

when is the first meet? me my brother and my friend with a reg. 3 are going to attend them!

HAHA just don't listen to Jesse, everyone that we meet up is pretty cool. No meets have been planned as of yet just waiting for the snow to melt.

Well that's dope! 3 more cars to add to the mix, Hopefully everyone is super anxious to meet so they turn out to be big.

[Fat_Dave]

??? are u smoking? wrx faster than sti?

or is that sarcasm that i did not get

yea the added a whole list of shit to the 09 so that they could keep up with the MS3 you ever see the articles where the MS3 whoops the shit out of the 08? so they added more power and a better suspension for 09 so that way they can keep up with us

[Peter B]

yea the added a whole list of shit to the 09 so that they could keep up with the MS3 you ever see the articles where the MS3 whoops the shit out of the 08? so they added more power and a better suspension for 09 so that way they can keep up with us

There is a nice video on youtube as well. I cant access youtube here at work but i have it on my myspace page myspace dot com slash redbarron4.

WRX i think beat the MS3 in 0-60 cause of its all wheel drive, but lost in every other test including the 1/4 mile.

[03.5-dc-speed]

HAHA just don't listen to Jesse, everyone that we meet up is pretty cool. No meets have been planned as of yet just waiting for the snow to melt.

Well that's dope! 3 more cars to add to the mix, Hopefully everyone is super anxious to meet so they turn out to be big.

alright note to self do not listen to jesse. im excited to see what ones like. ive only gone to meets with muscle cars and shit!

[cpmazda]

idiot the other day as i was filling up....

goober: is that a mazda?
me: yep...
goober: speed 3?
me: yep...
goober: brand new?
me: yep...
goober: that's pretty cool... you should went for the WRX STI... it has 300hp!!!
me laughing:...yeah, i guess, if i had an extra $18,000 lying around..

then out comes the subi this, subi that, my friends subi did this, i saw one once that did this or that.... of course he then climbs into his nifty little new beetle and peels out leaving the gas station....

FUNNY.


I can see why people would say that, cuz stis are sick but some people are just stupid

[15min5k]

The EVO X makes the new STI look like shit (Performance & looks) Reviews of the new STI suggest its not a very good daily driver and that its fun only when pushed to its obsolute limit (aren't going to be doing that much on my daily commute) The MS3 for example is fun to drive reguardless if you're beating the shit out of it are not. Same thing could be said about a lot of cars but not the STI.

[speed3driver]

STi isn't THAT much faster than MS3 stock.

I beat a stock 07 sti with only an intake in my speed.. so i wouldnt go as far as saying its much faster..
I guess it really all comes down to the driver not the numbers.

[boostdog]

I beat a stock 07 sti with only an intake in my speed.. so i wouldnt go as far as saying its much faster..
I guess it really all comes down to the driver not the numbers.


roll? dig? i find it hard to believe that you did that from a dig. (boom08)

[03.5-dc-speed]

^im guessing from a roll!

[cpmazda]

The EVO X makes the new STI look like shit (Performance & looks) Reviews of the new STI suggest its not a very good daily driver and that its fun only when pushed to its obsolute limit (aren't going to be doing that much on my daily commute) The MS3 for example is fun to drive reguardless if you're beating the shit out of it are not. Same thing could be said about a lot of cars but not the STI.

thats just your uneducated opinion. when it comes to performance the sti beats the evo x around numerous tracks and the top gear track. their 0-60 and qm numbers are very close, so I dont know where your getting your info from but look again. most of the major magazines say the interior is better in the sti, and that its great as a daily driver. Again not sure where you are getting your info from...

[cpmazda]

heres a great video comparing 2 evos and the sti done by Edmunds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn0UkrPvPmc


another good link
http://forums.sportcompactcarweb.com/70/6493101/general/08-sti-vs-08-evo-tsukuba-lap-times/index.html

[jlocurto]

a car fanatic may recognize my MS3, but i sure as hell don't mind that cops rarely give it a second look.

yeah the cops dont fuck with the MS3s as much as they would an Evo or STi and i love that!
and some stupid kids cant tell the difference and think they're racing me in a 3hatch and then i smoke them cause of the turbooooooooo (first)


ah, alright. well, first is fun (drive2) you should try it

first is definitely fun, first time i did a hardcore legit burn out, i shifted into second and was spinning until redline, and i got scared so i let off :( but im sure that i can burn into 3rd esp with a few mods (headbang)

[DaleNixon]

I'm too afraid my engine will rip out of my car if I do a burnout.

[jlocurto]

i dont do them often lol just a few. i dont wanna kill my tires and car

[kneedragger241]

I'm running summer tires in sub-freezing temps.
Every start ends up being a wheel spinning launch :-p

[15min5k]

thats just your uneducated opinion. when it comes to performance the sti beats the evo x around numerous tracks and the top gear track. their 0-60 and qm numbers are very close, so I dont know where your getting your info from but look again. most of the major magazines say the interior is better in the sti, and that its great as a daily driver. Again not sure where you are getting your info from...

Nope, actually it's the other way around. Sorry the facts cause you anal pain, the new STI is a crap compared to the EVO. You need to do some research before opening your suck. The facts are the facts and the facts according to about 90% of publications state the EVO is a much better car than the STI. You're living on some other planet if you actually want to debate this.

[cpmazda]

Nope, actually it's the other way around. Sorry the facts cause you anal pain, the new STI is a crap compared to the EVO. You need to do some research before opening your suck. The facts are the facts and the facts according to about 90% of publications state the EVO is a much better car than the STI. You're living on some other planet if you actually want to debate this.

sti is faster 0-60 and in the qm(watch the video in my previous post). It has better lap times on numerous tracks, although they are very close. People could go back and forth all day on which is better, but the 2 links I provided point to the sti. what do you have other than your loud mouth. I dont give much merit to what you think, seeing as you have a car that still requires a cool down period and is way behind in the advancements other car companies have made....obviously not smart

heres another link. the sti wins in all excelleration tests and braking.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0803_subaru_wrx_sti_vs_mitsubishi_evolution_x/index.html

[03.5-dc-speed]

sounds like 15min5k better come up with some facts and give proof of his evo theory!

[squidmotion]

an evo or sti pulls up next to me, revving and all that, i'm gonna laugh at them... then take off nice and easy as they go into full launch...

yeah... i would be an easy kill..... maybe. i don't even care... street racing is for dorks... more so for a lopsided match up...

now a vtec something... or maybe even a 350z...hmmmmm


:)

[cpmazda]

an evo or sti pulls up next to me, revving and all that, i'm gonna laugh at them... then take off nice and easy as they go into full launch...

yeah... i would be an easy kill..... maybe. i don't even care... street racing is for dorks... more so for a lopsided match up...

now a vtec something... or maybe even a 350z...hmmmmm


:)

haha vtec doesnt stand a chance against a speed3! You would have to pull one spark plug to make that a fair race! im not trying to start a fight with the whole evo sti thing, just think people should be able to back it up when they talk out of their butt

[03.5-dc-speed]

+1. but fully built all motor vtecs can definatley beat us.

[DaleNixon]

A G35 automatic with a psychotic driver with his foot to the floor is a tough contender. Trust me on this one.

[15min5k]

A G35 automatic with a psychotic driver with his foot to the floor is a tough contender. Trust me on this one.

yeah if you're slow at shifting or mis a shift.

[jlocurto]

i still have to race my friend in his moms auto g35 :)

[DaleNixon]

yeah if you're slow at shifting or mis a shift.

Guess that's my problem :\

[cpmazda]

g35s can be pretty fast. the newer models have 330hp, and it puts up some pretty good numbers. Under 14 in the qm and low 5s 0-60!

[GoFast]

yeah if you're slow at shifting or mis a shift.

uh oh, we have a pro street racer

(second)

[squidmotion]

overheard while filling up with gas in dallas...

'thats a toooorbo in that mazda, i think'

'if i had my stage 1 and a tooooorbo, i could take it'


as they both get back in a clapped out POS dodge neon... no hub caps, black wheels, big sheet metal wing on the back and of course the ubiquitous all white body kit and folgers can muffler...

and OF COURSE they have to pull out as LOUD AS POSSIBLE. and nearly plow into someone as they are both neck jerked around to make sure i am looking at them.... LAFFFIN OUT LOUD!


what is all this stage 1, stage 2, stage this or that crap?

[jlocurto]

what is all this stage 1, stage 2, stage this or that crap?

+1 i dont really understand the "stages" either :(

[Snyeed]

Mopar performance has different stages for SRT4's.

[cpmazda]

+1 i dont really understand the "stages" either :(

almost every car brand has differnt stages. Evos, stis, srt4s, as well as many domestics have various stages that include different parts. for example a stage 1 package for a sti or evo would usually be a cai and possibly a mild tune or downpipe, whereas stage 2 involves removal or modification of the cat and turbo back exhaust, as well as different boost levels. domestics have different heads and cams that go along with the stages. Your mods determine what stage your at. I know the cobb access port that subaru and now mazda use have different maps on them(stage1,2, and custom maps).

[squidmotion]

i understand the 'kit' route... a stage 1 kit (and the parts involved.. usually from one manufacturer) makes sense... and i guess the dodges do have stage upgrades for their cars... raise my rent.


i'm still very new to the import gig, mind you, but i also think it just gives guys who don't know anything about their cars, or anything about cars, a way to sound cool... it sounds kinda playstation (grand turismo comes to mind)..

case in point:

i'm eager to hear anything about guys working on imports these days (have pity, i'm older.. i know a different car world than you).. so while at the tint shop the other day a kid comes in and is asking about some kind of jeep part (it's a 4X4 place.. HUGE trucks)... and eyes the speed, asks if i have done anything to it... he points out his honda civic, an older one... clean, with some nice looking rims, and the normal wing on the back...

him: yeah, i'm gonna go with a full stage 3 on this bad boy...

me: really? (thinking wow, that sounds cool, maybe this guy knows his stuff) ... so what does that involve? who makes the kit?

him: oh, i don't know any of that, i just know i'm gonna give my friend 500 bucks and he is going to do it for me...

me: oh.

the conversation turned to other things... at least he didn't want to go race, or anything, and didn't start talking about those damn subies :)... he seemed like a nice guy... maybe 20ish... one of the guys who knew him even joked about him not knowing crap about cars...

i just think a 'stage 3' on a civic would involve a lot of input by the owner of the car... and it seems like a term kinda loosely tossed around... one man's stage 3 is another man's stage 1...

hmmmm.... in my best estimation, my old SS nova might have been a 'stage 2'... not very flush rims, AEC (analog engine control) meaning you tuned it all by hand with a screwdriver, timing light, tach, and vacuum gauge.... it had an LSD big time... we just called it positraction. a CAI was my big k&n element under my z-28 chrome lid, my MAF was a holley 750...

unlike all hondas, we all had STEC cam shafts, all it took was a saturday afternoon and you had a new cam profile..... short rebalanced shifter by HURST. mickey thompson and hoosiers with a wear rating of about 20.

[15min5k]

g35s can be pretty fast. the newer models have 330hp, and it puts up some pretty good numbers. Under 14 in the qm and low 5s 0-60!

The G37's are actually slower. More power yes but they're also a bit heavier.

[15min5k]

uh oh, we have a pro street racer

(second)

Nope, I just know how to drive.

[GoFast]

according to who? couch racers university?

[15min5k]

according to who? couch racers university?

what are you 14?

[Donas64]

uh-oh

[cpmazda]

Nope, I just know how to drive.

riiiiight.....(yippy). you have 4 threads about weird noises in your car, hydrolock, having to rebuild your trans at only 21k miles, and cracked bushings.........sure you know how to drive...

[03.5-dc-speed]

(fight)

[GoFast]

what are you 14?

that's it? that is the only thing you can come up with? i figured that the guy who can bag on a guy for being over weight and post up little pictures of a fat guy in a little car would be able to do more than "what are you 14?" I also thought i could get more from the awesome driver that cracks an su mm or hydrolocks his cai. Even further, i figured that the guy who blew who tranny would be able to come up with a better answer when questioned and asked to back up his claim to being able to drive. SO until you show me some proof that you "can drive", you shouldn't make such claims. it is insulting to those who actually know how to drive and have actual racing experience or those who have done some advanced driving courses(no, traffic school is not an advanced driving course) (headshake

[15min5k]

that's it? that is the only thing you can come up with? i figured that the guy who can bag on a guy for being over weight and post up little pictures of a fat guy in a little car would be able to do more than "what are you 14?" I also thought i could get more from the awesome driver that cracks an su mm or hydrolocks his cai. Even further, i figured that the guy who blew who tranny would be able to come up with a better answer when questioned and asked to back up his claim to being able to drive. SO until you show me some proof that you "can drive", you shouldn't make such claims. it is insulting to those who actually know how to drive and have actual racing experience or those who have done some advanced driving courses(no, traffic school is not an advanced driving course) (headshake

Yeah I'm going to "back up my claim" on the internet.. Now I''m thinking you're more like 12. My car having a few issues had nothing to do with me not being a good driver and if you think that's the only reason for a car to break then you obviously have the intellect of a 12yr old and hence not worth my time. Now, come back and talk once you finish grade school.

[GoFast]

Yeah I'm going to "back up my claim" on the internet.. Now I''m thinking you're more like 12. My car having a few issues had nothing to do with me not being a good driver and if you think that's the only reason for a car to break then you obviously have the intellect of a 12yr old and hence not worth my time. Now, come back and talk once you finish grade school.

lol! that's funny. it's obviously that your idea of knowing how to drive means i know how to street race my car and dump the clutch and just in general beat the shit out if it. Just because you know how to do burn outs and show off to the girlies by the grade school doesn't mean you can drive.

[moll88]

lol! that's funny. it's obviously that your idea of knowing how to drive means i know how to street race my car and dump the clutch and just in general beat the shit out if it. Just because you know how to do burn outs and show off to the girlies by the grade school doesn't mean you can drive.



i agree

+1

[15min5k]

sti is faster 0-60 and in the qm(watch the video in my previous post). It has better lap times on numerous tracks, although they are very close. People could go back and forth all day on which is better, but the 2 links I provided point to the sti. what do you have other than your loud mouth. I dont give much merit to what you think, seeing as you have a car that still requires a cool down period and is way behind in the advancements other car companies have made....obviously not smart

heres another link. the sti wins in all excelleration tests and braking.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0803_subaru_wrx_sti_vs_mitsubishi_evolution_x/index.html
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Keep dreaming buddy, the EVO kills the STI. Do some more research, I'm not doing any work for you. If you want to continue to be ignorant and be in denial that's up to you.

Even the link you provided states that the EVO iss the better car!!!

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0803_subaru_wrx_sti_vs_mitsubishi_evolution_x/index.html

THE DECISION

"Ladieeeez and gentlemen, after three rounds and no knockout, we must go to the judges' cards. It's close, but the decision is unanimous: By virtue of its sharper handling and superior fun factor, the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution takes the title of all-wheel-drive, turbo four-cylinder champion".

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=6387

Sometimes it can be difficult to gauge the winner of a comparison test when different authors champion each car, but in this case, there's little room for debate: The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution is the clear choice. Don't just take my word, look at the lap times and our test numbers. The Evo X (it's called the Evo "ten" in Japan and by Evo faithfuls) is quicker to 60 mph than the Subaru with a faster trap speed at the quarter-mile mark...in fact, the Evo scored a win in almost every performance category. If this were a boxing match, it'd be a unanimous decision for the Mitsubishi.

P.S. I can go on and on and on proving that the EVO is the better performing car of the two. It's actually general knowledge by most ppl at this point but I guess some don't read much.

[03.5-dc-speed]

(jerkit)haha 15min5k still has no proof of being a good driver but still keeps talking.

[peeaanuut]

just tell anyone that mentions the STI, that you like a car that looks good and performs well. The STI is UUUUGLY!!!! Now and old!!!

[15min5k]

(jerkit)haha 15min5k still has no proof of being a good driver but still keeps talking.

Now how in the f%^k I'm I suppose to prove to you I'm a great driver on internetz? Are you stupid or something?

[15min5k]

just tell anyone that mentions the STI, that you like a car that looks good and performs well. The STI is UUUUGLY!!!! Now and old!!!

Yes, you're right the STI is crap this time around. I'd rather stick with the MS3 than drive a new STI. It's a boring ass car unless you flog the shit out of it and has no power below 4k. The new EVO is fun as hell to drive. Yes I've driven both.

[GoFast]

Now how in the f%^k I'm I suppose to prove to you I'm a great driver on internetz? Are you stupid or something?

well, if it were me, I would state some kind of stats. An example would be that I am an scca member, i have participated in over 130 track days while driving 6 different cars, i have attended the bondurant racing school in phoenix, and the ron fellows racing school in las vegas. But, that would just be me.

now while this isn't proof that I am a good driver, it sure would lend some credibility to me making the statement, "i know how to drive"

[15min5k]

well, if it were me, I would state some kind of stats. An example would be that I am an scca member, i have participated in over 130 track days while driving 6 different cars, i have attended the bondurant racing school in phoenix, and the ron fellows racing school in las vegas. But, that would just be me.

now while this isn't proof that I am a good driver, it sure would lend some credibility to me making the statement, "i know how to drive"

lol! You're kidding right? You think typing some shit on the interwebs is somehow proving a point. Lay off the dope sir, anyone can type unfounded claims on the internet. Oh and you would have no idea what kind of driver I am unless you met me in person which you haven’t so drop the shit already

[GoFast]

lol! You're kidding right? You think typing some shit on the interwebs is somehow proving a point. Lay off the dope sir, anyone can type unfounded claims on the internet. Oh and you would have no idea what kind of driver I am unless you met me in person which you haven’t so drop the shit already


ok so i am guessing you failed reading comprehension. I stated quite clearly ....

now while this isn't proof that I am a good driver, it sure would lend some credibility to me making the statement, "i know how to drive"


and you, for once, are absolutely correct, i have no idea what kind of driver you are. the only thing that i know is that you claim that you "know how to drive" i am just trying to figure out what gives you any credibility to that claim. the only reason i haven't dropped this is because you are so quick to rag on everybody else, i figured you could use some yourself.

[squidmotion]

i killed it in third today....

i thought i was in first... never even got out of the parking place.


i guess i don't know how to drive.... :(



internet swordfights... ..... ... yawn.


any hoo... friend at work is a die-hard miata fan... the older ones. has owned two. took him for a quick spin today, nothing silly or anything, just gave it the boot in third... as you all probably figured, he was impressed... said he might finally be ready for something with a roof and four doors...

[03.5-dc-speed]

Now how in the f%^k I'm I suppose to prove to you I'm a great driver on internetz? Are you stupid or something?

i guess you already have proved it to us all, your the one rebuilding transmissions at low miles not us! (loser)

i see that you must have a subscription to car & driver and road & track cause you sure know everything just like them (screwy)

[Rotus8]

OK, it's been fun, but now it's done.