my christmas present, a broken motor mount!!!!

[iredremix]

Well I was driving down the road from my house to take my dog to the vet and suddenly, I felt like I ran over something and it got stuck on my front left wheel. I couldn't figure out what the sound was until I opened my fucking hood and this is what i see.

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq244/iredremix/12242008.jpg

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq244/iredremix/12242008001.jpg


I already got the tranny mount replaced by the dealer and this still happened. Mazda will hear it from me when I get my car back!

[L8R]

Holy shit, another motor falling out :( Sorry to see/hear.

[viper117630]

was it the rear or side mount?

[kgb]

What year is your car? I am sorry to hear that.

[stockms3]

wow that sux sorry to hear that.......

On a side note did MS6 have the same issue?

[BOOSTR]

2nd time I've seen a post on a failure after original tranny mount was replaced. Whoever designed those mounts should be fired.

[bgibb68]

i'm just curious i don't know if it was you on another thread.....but would you say you are a spirited driver or just drive normally....

[BOOSTR]

Driving style doesn't seem to matter, its either the bolt or bracket that fails from what I've read on here.

[bgibb68]

ok....that's kinda the point i was steering toward.....it looks like a common issue that keeps coming up.....but i haven't really heard of the mounts themselving really breaking.....just the rubber dyin which is my curent problem

[Nutari]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123726549

Exact same thing. See my thread for Mazda USA's offer..

[bgibb68]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123726549

Exact same thing. See my thread for Mazda USA's offer..

yeah i saw that and you really should take that offer dude....that's a def win.....just get a set of aftermarket mounts....i mean 2 less car payments, hell yeah

[stockms3]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123726549

Exact same thing. See my thread for Mazda USA's offer..

Dont get me wrong but how the fk did u get them to offer that I think im gonna call them again!

[iredremix]

i floor my car once in a while.. i think the car's made to be driven like this as long as u dont abuse it.. but this shit is crazy. the tranny mount broke while i was driving in 1st gear!!! i'm hoping to get something out of this . i'll be calling them as soon as I get my car back.

[hectik1]

Ouch! What year is your car?

[Hank3]

Do the people that have had their mounts fail have the Corksport engine inserts? Wondering if that causes premature wear on the other mounts and if Mazda/dealerships would automatically deny fixing this huge issue if you have them installed.

[iredremix]

Do the people that have had their mounts fail have the Corksport engine inserts? Wondering if that causes premature wear on the other mounts and if Mazda/dealerships would automatically deny fixing this huge issue if you have them installed.

well the only mod that really matters for my car is the CPE intake and my car is an 07... 08's and 09's dont really have any problems. i might have to trade in my car for an 09.. my car has 27.5k miles

[///M Compact]

well the only mod that really matters for my car is the CPE intake and my car is an 07... 08's and 09's dont really have any problems. i might have to trade in my car for an 09.. my car has 27.5k miles

I've read of at least one '09 with a broken mount.

[iredremix]

I've read of at least one '09 with a broken mount.

damn man, what the hell is mazda doing?

[954_ms3]

im taking my car in for an oil change tomorow, might as well have them look at the mounts while im there (nervous)

[Circle9]

I sure hope motor mounts won't be an issues for the 2010 speed3, I am looking forward to that beast!

[///M Compact]

I sure hope motor mounts won't be an issues for the 2010 speed3, I am looking forward to that beast!

Don't worry, I'm sure Mazda will find something else to cut corners on...

[wisniaPl]

fuck that my dad is bitching that I change everything...thank good i have ptp tranny mount I will install it tomorrow

[Antonio DiMarco]

Don't worry, I'm sure Mazda will find something else to cut corners on...

Give it a rest man. Like every other car company Mazda builds products to to a price point. If they used the best of everything then they woudn't be affordable. It also doesn't take in consideration if such failures were due to negligance. Not everyone can be like BMW and charge an arm and a leg for their car.

And personally I've had nothing but good luck with all 6 of my Mazdas.

[Antonio DiMarco]

damn man, what the hell is mazda doing?

...how that particular person was treating their car.

Same thing with smoking turbos and all the other "issues" that people report on.

[///M Compact]

Give it a rest man. Like every other car company Mazda builds products to to a price point. If they used the best of everything then they woudn't be affordable. Not everyone can be like BMW and charge an arm and a leg for their car.

And personally I've had nothing but good luck with all 6 of my Mazdas.

I guess I am being pretty unreasonable- expecting the struts and turbo to last longer than 26000 miles.
Silly me...

[phillyb]

merry fucking christmas indeed.
at approximately 2 pm on xmas eve, i broke the same mount. really...the bolt snapped, BUT the mount is fucked up as well i believe.
did you look under your car for any other problems?
did your abs, traction control, and ebrake lights come on?

[mzdaspd3]

I guess I am being pretty unreasonable- expecting the struts and turbo to last longer than 26000 miles.
Silly me...

i currently have just under 50,000 miles on my speed3 and i have had no issues with anything.

[mzdaspd3]

2007, bought it last january

[///M Compact]

merry fucking christmas indeed.
at approximately 2 pm on xmas eve, i broke the same mount. really...the bolt snapped, BUT the mount is fucked up as well i believe.
did you look under your car for any other problems?
did your abs, traction control, and ebrake lights come on?

What year is yours?

[///M Compact]

i currently have just under 50,000 miles on my speed3 and i have had no issues with anything.

Believe me, I wish that my car was exhibiting that kind of reliability. I was able to take early retirement and I bought the MS3 to serve as my family car/track rat. I planned to keep it 5-6 years. In fact, it's the first new car that I bought for myself since my Club Sport back in 1995. So far it has made it to exactly one HPDE; the blown strut forced me to cancel a week of instructing at Watkins Glen. The car has received 5000 mile synthetic oil changes and fresh brake fluid every six months. I'm very o-c about maintenance- to the point that I usually have several people wanting to buy one of my cars when I decide to flip one(I sold my last car for double what CarMax offered). To say that I'm disappointed and disgusted would be the understatement of the year.

[mzdaspd3]

Believe me, I wish that my car was exhibiting that kind of reliability. I was able to take early retirement and I bought the MS3 to serve as my family car/track rat. I planned to keep it 5-6 years. In fact, it's the first new car that I bought for myself since my Club Sport back in 1995. So far it has made it to exactly one HPDE; the blown strut forced me to cancel a week of instructing at Watkins Glen. The car has received 5000 mile synthetic oil changes and fresh brake fluid every six months. I'm very o-c about maintenance- to the point that I usually have several people wanting to buy one of my cars when I decide to flip one(I sold my last car for double what CarMax offered). To say that I'm disappointed and disgusted would be the understatement of the year.

sorry for the troubles that has come of your speed3. the only issues that i have had is people rear ending me on the interstate. have to say though, it holds up pretty well in an accident!

[bgibb68]

yeah.....my p5 has held up really well on my 2 hits.....mazda def has that gong for 'em....i feel safe in my car

[///M Compact]

sorry for the troubles that has come of your speed3. the only issues that i have had is people rear ending me on the interstate. have to say though, it holds up pretty well in an accident!

Bummer. My wife's 528i must have had a bullseye painted on the rear bumper; it was rear ended something like five times. Always while sitting stopped in a line of traffic. A couple of times the moron ran into a car one or two cars back and knocked another car into the 5er. One imbecile was looking for his dropped cigarette and ran his POS(is there any other kind?) Sunbird dead square into the back of the 528i; my wife drove away and the Pontiac was totalled.

[wheresthericego]

my christmas present, a broken motor mount!!!!

You should be thankful, a lot of people are not as fortunate to celebrate christmas this year with gifts.

[brownasp23]

sorry to hear that! get on the blower and get them to compensate

[Rynosilver3]

i had the corksport mm inserts. dealership didnt care when mine fell. i also had a bov tbe intake and springs on it at the time.

[phillyb]

2007 ms3

[serialtoon]

I recently removed the stock motor mount and replaced it with the TRZ Dog bone (Polyurethane). When i saw the stocker it looks like it was starting to tear somewhat. Not bad or anything, but my car only has 13k miles on it. Imagine that same mount at 50k? Im glad i switched mine out. I plan on buy some locktite so i can make sure the bolt doesnt come loose and cause me issues. Sometimes i feel like just getting rid of the car and buying a base honda civic and forgetting about this car fetish i have....good luck to you man, im gonna be subbin this thread to see the outcome. Keep us updated.

[DaleNixon]

Subbin' to see the outcome of this as well.

[Betelgeuse]

merry fucking christmas indeed.
at approximately 2 pm on xmas eve, i broke the same mount. really...the bolt snapped, BUT the mount is fucked up as well i believe.
did you look under your car for any other problems?
did your abs, traction control, and ebrake lights come on?

hey philly, was it the number 10 bolt or the 8? Any pics?



I'd advise anyone looking to mod (even bolt-ons) to consider one of the aftermarket mounts available.

[iredremix]

merry fucking christmas indeed.
at approximately 2 pm on xmas eve, i broke the same mount. really...the bolt snapped, BUT the mount is fucked up as well i believe.
did you look under your car for any other problems?
did your abs, traction control, and ebrake lights come on?

the guy at the dealer only told me they're raising my engine back up and fixing the axle cuz it was damaged from the fall

[bgibb68]

damn.....is mazda gonna cut you any of the deals the others are getting???

[iredremix]

well im still waiting to get my car back.. i'm goin to call them as soon as i get it back.. i'm goin to take my CAI off. i hope mazda corporate doesn't give me a hard time!

[iredremix]

damn.....is mazda gonna cut you any of the deals the others are getting???

they better, i'm fighting for something really really good

[phillyb]

cut me deals?
no.
i have no warranty...is this bolt actually recalled?

[Antonio DiMarco]

I guess I am being pretty unreasonable- expecting the struts and turbo to last longer than 26000 miles.
Silly me...

That is what the warranty is for. Do you think every mechanical product is perfect? They aren't. The only reason why Toyota and Honda don't have their dirty laundry advertised is because their marketing has more dollars to cover up the issues with commercials that trumpet their reliability and quality. Take a good look at the actual recalls Toyota had last year and the year before and you'll see that they are no different than any other car company. Rest assured the same struts, same electronic components, same motor mounts are used across all lines of cars. Look at consumer reports and you'll see issues with particular cars that used the same part from Nippon-Denso or Delphi.

I feel for your issues but it's the law of averages. When you're dealing with products being manufactured in the hundreds of thousands with parts fabricated in the millions at an affordable price point there will be failures. No way around it.

Now if the majority of people on the world want to go and buy cars that cost $50,000 to build, then maybe those failures will be reduced. But you know what? Consumers don't want to pay that price. We want sales, we want some perceived "value".

There's no such thing as a free lunch. People expect it. But even NASA has failures.

Personally I think you'll see fewer problems, if any, with your MS3 over the next 26,000 miles. When my wife and I purchased our Mz5 it was part of the exhaust recall and had issues with blown struts and defective emission parts all in the first 10,000 miles. It was annoying yes, but my dealer always fixed the issue once (unless the second part failed) and always made the process as painless as possible (rentals, discounted oil changes etc). Now the Mz5 is approaching 50,000 and is as solid as a rock with zero issues overs the last 40,000 miles. I fully expect it to go beyond 100,000 without much drama.

Then again I've been a loyal Mazda owner for close to 20 years and never once had to worry about being stranded with a lemon. ON the other hand I've owned Toyotas and Hondas that broke more often and had pathetic service than you would expect given their advertisements.

I know it's a royal pain in the ass when your transportation breaks but try to keep things in perspective. :-)

[iredremix]

cut me deals?
no.
i have no warranty...is this bolt actually recalled?

yea i had the whole mount replaced already.. and this shit still happens. why did they void ur warranty?

[iredremix]

That is what the warranty is for. Do you think every mechanical product is perfect? They aren't. The only reason why Toyota and Honda don't have their dirty laundry advertised is because their marketing has more dollars to cover up the issues with commercials that trumpet their reliability and quality. Take a good look at the actual recalls Toyota had last year and the year before and you'll see that they are no different than any other car company. Rest assured the same struts, same electronic components, same motor mounts are used across all lines of cars. Look at consumer reports and you'll see issues with particular cars that used the same part from Nippon-Denso or Delphi.

I feel for your issues but it's the law of averages. When you're dealing with products being manufactured in the hundreds of thousands with parts fabricated in the millions at an affordable price point there will be failures. No way around it.

Now if the majority of people on the world want to go and buy cars that cost $50,000 to build, then maybe those failures will be reduced. But you know what? Consumers don't want to pay that price. We want sales, we want some perceived "value".

There's no such thing as a free lunch. People expect it. But even NASA has failures.

Personally I think you'll see fewer problems, if any, with your MS3 over the next 26,000 miles. When my wife and I purchased our Mz5 it was part of the exhaust recall and had issues with blown struts and defective emission parts all in the first 10,000 miles. It was annoying yes, but my dealer always fixed the issue once (unless the second part failed) and always made the process as painless as possible (rentals, discounted oil changes etc). Now the Mz5 is approaching 50,000 and is as solid as a rock with zero issues overs the last 40,000 miles. I fully expect it to go beyond 100,000 without much drama.

Then again I've been a loyal Mazda owner for close to 20 years and never once had to worry about being stranded with a lemon. ON the other hand I've owned Toyotas and Hondas that broke more often and had pathetic service than you would expect given their advertisements.

I know it's a royal pain in the ass when your transportation breaks but try to keep things in perspective. :-)

u have a very good point and i see where ur coming from.. but it just sucks that the mount had to break twice!!! i had to miss work twice cuz of it.. i dont even know if i still feel safe driving my car around lol

[Antonio DiMarco]

u have a very good point and i see where ur coming from.. but it just sucks that the mount had to break twice!!! i had to miss work twice cuz of it.. i dont even know if i still feel safe driving my car around lol

I reread through your posts and it sounds like two different mounts broke. My guess is that the stress from the first mount breaking compromised the second enough where it failed later. You said that the tranny mount failed, but the engine didn't fall. In this case how long did you drive around before you realized it was broken? How much time passed between each failure?

I think if you approach it right Mazda will take care of you. Just keep your cool and give them facts while keeping the emotion in check. If the dealer doesn't help you to your satisfaction then contact Mazda USA directly. If you didn't mod your car then you have nothing to worry about. Mazda will keep their end of the bargain.

[///M Compact]

That is what the warranty is for. Do you think every mechanical product is perfect? They aren't. The only reason why Toyota and Honda don't have their dirty laundry advertised is because their marketing has more dollars to cover up the issues with commercials that trumpet their reliability and quality. Take a good look at the actual recalls Toyota had last year and the year before and you'll see that they are no different than any other car company. Rest assured the same struts, same electronic components, same motor mounts are used across all lines of cars. Look at consumer reports and you'll see issues with particular cars that used the same part from Nippon-Denso or Delphi.

I feel for your issues but it's the law of averages. When you're dealing with products being manufactured in the hundreds of thousands with parts fabricated in the millions at an affordable price point there will be failures. No way around it.

Now if the majority of people on the world want to go and buy cars that cost $50,000 to build, then maybe those failures will be reduced. But you know what? Consumers don't want to pay that price. We want sales, we want some perceived "value".

There's no such thing as a free lunch. People expect it. But even NASA has failures.

Personally I think you'll see fewer problems, if any, with your MS3 over the next 26,000 miles. When my wife and I purchased our Mz5 it was part of the exhaust recall and had issues with blown struts and defective emission parts all in the first 10,000 miles. It was annoying yes, but my dealer always fixed the issue once (unless the second part failed) and always made the process as painless as possible (rentals, discounted oil changes etc). Now the Mz5 is approaching 50,000 and is as solid as a rock with zero issues overs the last 40,000 miles. I fully expect it to go beyond 100,000 without much drama.

Then again I've been a loyal Mazda owner for close to 20 years and never once had to worry about being stranded with a lemon. ON the other hand I've owned Toyotas and Hondas that broke more often and had pathetic service than you would expect given their advertisements.

I know it's a royal pain in the ass when your transportation breaks but try to keep things in perspective. :-)

To repeat what I said in another thread:
I really like did the car in the beginning, but the strut and turbo failures have left me less than enthusiastic about keeping the car and using it as my track rat for five or more years- which is what I planned to do. In comparison, my other track car-a 13 year old Club Sport-has only needed a thermostat and a set of pads and rotors(and tires, of course). Couple that with the fact that the Louisville Mazda dealers refuse to hire techs with opposable thumbs and I'm ready to move on. In over 35 years of driving the MS3 is the first car I've wanted to flip after less than two years of ownership. I've been reminded-in no uncertain terms-that you DO get what you pay for...

[phillyb]

yea i had the whole mount replaced already.. and this shit still happens. why did they void ur warranty?

a while ago, i brought my car into the dealership with a cel and a boost controller. they didn't like that

[Antonio DiMarco]

To repeat what I said in another thread:
I really like did the car in the beginning, but the strut and turbo failures have left me less than enthusiastic about keeping the car and using it as my track rat for five or more years- which is what I planned to do. In comparison, my other track car-a 13 year old Club Sport-has only needed a thermostat and a set of pads and rotors(and tires, of course). Couple that with the fact that the Louisville Mazda dealers refuse to hire techs with opposable thumbs and I'm ready to move on. In over 35 years of driving the MS3 is the first car I've wanted to flip after less than two years of ownership. I've been reminded-in no uncertain terms-that you DO get what you pay for...

According to the Master Techs at my dealership most of the smoking turbos were caused by the wrong viscosity oil being used. The oil was too thin and made it by the seals and smoked/damaged the turbo.

[Betelgeuse]

To repeat what I said in another thread:
I really like did the car in the beginning, but the strut and turbo failures have left me less than enthusiastic about keeping the car and using it as my track rat for five or more years- which is what I planned to do. In comparison, my other track car-a 13 year old Club Sport-has only needed a thermostat and a set of pads and rotors(and tires, of course). Couple that with the fact that the Louisville Mazda dealers refuse to hire techs with opposable thumbs and I'm ready to move on. In over 35 years of driving the MS3 is the first car I've wanted to flip after less than two years of ownership. I've been reminded-in no uncertain terms-that you DO get what you pay for...

You can't seem to say anything good about the ms3 and you show up in every thread with the same story. The ms3 was NEVER sold as a track car although it can be used for such purposes (at the owner's risk).

Frequent tracking will no doubt put more stress on the suspension and drivetrain so you shouldn't realistically expect the car to 1. not ever have a problem or 2.the manufacturer to willingly cover all repairs (even though they probably did).

Also, I can search and find other owners of the very cars you claim to be perfect having issues so to use your own experience as the sole benchmark for reliability isn't realistic.

With that said, I cannot overlook the motor mount issues on the ms3. They really should not occur with such frequency. They need to be redesigned imo.
As for the bad turbo seals, from my own research, most of the issues stem from putting additional stress on the turbo from modding (especially exhaust related). Also there seems to be some evidence the oil type used has contributed to the issue. Your case may be different (not sure) but some WILL be bad or die prematurely. And that's with any manufacturer. The warranty is there to take care of that.

[iredremix]

I reread through your posts and it sounds like two different mounts broke. My guess is that the stress from the first mount breaking compromised the second enough where it failed later. You said that the tranny mount failed, but the engine didn't fall. In this case how long did you drive around before you realized it was broken? How much time passed between each failure?

I think if you approach it right Mazda will take care of you. Just keep your cool and give them facts while keeping the emotion in check. If the dealer doesn't help you to your satisfaction then contact Mazda USA directly. If you didn't mod your car then you have nothing to worry about. Mazda will keep their end of the bargain.


the only mod i have that really matters is a CAI.. here's the story--- during the summer, i heard loud clicking on the driver's side of the engine bay everytime i layed off the gas or started accelerating.. i had it checked out cuz it sounded like the tranny mount was going.. the guy checked it out and the bolt was stripped and was about to fall off according to him---and for some reason tried to blame my springs...? anyway.. he replaced the whole mount and bolt .. and about 5 months later, the engine gave.

[///M Compact]

According to the Master Techs at my dealership most of the smoking turbos were caused by the wrong viscosity oil being used. The oil was too thin and made it by the seals and smoked/damaged the turbo.

All I've used is Mobil 1 5W-30, which meets not only the SM standard but the more stringent HTO-06 standard as well. I've performed a UOA at every
5000 mile oil change and the oil has always remained in grade.

[Nutari]

a while ago, i brought my car into the dealership with a cel and a boost controller. they didn't like that

Boost controller = instant voided warranty.

[///M Compact]

You can't seem to say anything good about the ms3 and you show up in every thread with the same story. The ms3 was NEVER sold as a track car although it can be used for such purposes (at the owner's risk).

Frequent tracking will no doubt put more stress on the suspension and drivetrain so you shouldn't realistically expect the car to 1. not ever have a problem or 2.the manufacturer to willingly cover all repairs (even though they probably did).

I guess that's why Mazda released videos trumpeting how the MS3 set a class record at the Nurburgring.


Also, I can search and find other owners of the very cars you claim to be perfect having issues so to use your own experience as the sole benchmark for reliability isn't realistic.

Other MS3 owners in this thread have used their positive experiences "as the sole benchmark for reliability", but I'm not allowed to do the same with regards to my negative experiences? Hmmmmm......


As for the bad turbo seals, from my own research, most of the issues stem from putting additional stress on the turbo from modding (especially exhaust related). Also there seems to be some evidence the oil type used has contributed to the issue. Your case may be different (not sure) but some WILL be bad or die prematurely. And that's with any manufacturer. The warranty is there to take care of that.

As I've stated previously, my car is dead stock(want to buy a still-in-the-box MS CAI, complete with AFS?). I've used Mobil 1 5W-30, changed every 5000 miles.
Having said all that, I completely understand how you and many other members of this forum only want to read Good Tidings of Great Joy from other Shining Happy MS3 Acolytes, so I promise not to post any more negative messages.
Unless something else breaks.
So I'll probably be back soon.

[latina4sho77]

it happened to me too... a friend of mine told me to change it but i didnt think anything of it... when i saw that me engine was moving more then normal i bought the motor mount at street unit... the funny part about all that... was that while i was waiting for the motor mount to get in the transmission on broke too... i was practicing taking off on 1st (stupid of me knowing th motor mount was about to break).. but then i hit 2nd shift all i heard was sumthing hit the ground... but mine was worse the engine was lower and it took out the driver side axle... luckily i was with my home boy that helps me do all the work to my car... he strapped my engine up wit the cord that holds up these thin trees (thats all we could find where we were at)... but the axle back in and took it to the yard and fixed it... when we saw what holds the transmission we were amazed.. it was just a bolt... it you go to the dealer they will put that same one... what we did was put a bigger on and replaced the motor mount.... 3 months later my axle caught up to me.. thank God it was still under warranty.....
just a little of my side of the story

F.Y.I
for anyone that has just bought a MS3.. before you start racing it change the motor mount they ALL break... and if it hasn't it will... trust... have seen it happen alot!!... just a little advise....

[Betelgeuse]

I guess that's why Mazda released videos trumpeting how the MS3 set a class record at the Nurburgring.


So should we all assume that 0 60 numbers and 1/4 numbers posted for most makes mean they're drag cars and can be taken to the dragstrip every weekend?




Other MS3 owners in this thread have used their positive experiences "as the sole benchmark for reliability", but I'm not allowed to do the same with regards to my negative experiences? Hmmmmm......

You're allowed but you missed the point. Besides, I doubt any of the other posters expect to have zero issues regardless of how they drive the car.





As I've stated previously, my car is dead stock(want to buy a still-in-the-box MS CAI, complete with AFS?). I've used Mobil 1 5W-30, changed every 5000 miles.

And as mentioned previously, YOU admitted to tracking the car which could've easily contributed to premature wear and tear.



Having said all that, I completely understand how you and many other members of this forum only want to read Good Tidings of Great Joy from other Shining Happy MS3 Acolytes, so I promise not to post any more negative messages.
Unless something else breaks.
So I'll probably be back soon.

LOL, I'm looking forward to it.

[bgibb68]

i'm sorry but i would almost guarentee that day to day in traffic drive will kill a car quicker than taking to the track once a month or so....a motor needs to be ran....which is why 'run it like you stole it' sticks in my mind and i stick to it.....if the car can't hold up to that....than it's a kia

[bbrich57]

Take it easy, Guys. Everyone's entitled to an opinion.

///MCompact, you have an '07, the first year of production.
While everyone agrees that Mazda should have improved the motor mount(s) before releasing the car for production you must also admit that there were more problems with the 07's than the later models... short of the sticking/cross-threading gas cap problem... a minor problem but another major annoyance for the owners.
I've probably had more annoyances w/my '04 than owners of later model N/A's too. Most were handled under the warranty. That's just the way it is when you buy a first model year of production.

off-topic: bgibb68, Are you in north Austin a lot of the time? I see several yellow P5's around that area. One that comes to my H-E-B pretty regularly. Could that be you?

/threadjack

[Betelgeuse]

i'm sorry but i would almost guarentee that day to day in traffic drive will kill a car quicker than taking to the track once a month or so....a motor needs to be ran....which is why 'run it like you stole it' sticks in my mind and i stick to it.....if the car can't hold up to that....than it's a kia


As long as you're willing to deal with the possible consequences... run it like you stole it! I run mine hard too.... and just replaced the rear and passenger mounts and go through brakes/tires quicker than normal. I also change the oil every 3k. I can almost guarantee they'd hold up longer If I drive normally but I have waayyy too much fun. And on top that, if I tracked the car I'd be looking for upgraded springs/shocks/struts, upgraded brakes and possibly a baffled oil pan. For street use the stock setup is great, for track use it's barely good enough according to what I read.

The point is, I'm willing to put up with the consequences without calling the car a POS (or a KIA). I hope the turbo makes it to at least 100k but considering how hard it works in my car, I'm willing to accept the possibility it might die earlier.

[bgibb68]

here here....i like your thinkin bete....and i was't calling our mazdas kia....i was just saying....i actually have had zero issues with my p5.....

[///M Compact]

As long as you're willing to deal with the possible consequences... run it like you stole it! I run mine hard too.... and just replaced the rear and passenger mounts and go through brakes/tires quicker than normal. I also change the oil every 3k. I can almost guarantee they'd hold up longer If I drive normally but I have waayyy too much fun. And on top that, if I tracked the car I'd be looking for upgraded springs/shocks/struts, upgraded brakes and possibly a baffled oil pan. For street use the stock setup is great, for track use it's barely good enough according to what I read.

The point is, I'm willing to put up with the consequences without calling the car a POS (or a KIA). I hope the turbo makes it to at least 100k but considering how hard it works in my car, I'm willing to accept the possibility it might die earlier.

Just for the record, my MS3 has spent a total of FOUR hours on the track; it served as my instructor car over three days at ONE HPDE. Are you saying that after such extreme mechanical torture I should expect the struts and turbo to fail? My prior track toy somehow survived 13 years and 113,000 miles of hard driving. The suspension is all original and the engine has only needed the thermostat replaced. I didn't realize that I had to gingerly drive the MS3 as if it were an everyday grocery-getter in order to keep it from coughing up broken parts.
Thanks for clearing things up.

[GoFast]

imho i dont think that the shocks should really be any reason to get all upset and want to get rid of the car. i do understand the turbo issue though. Mine was replaced at 36000 miles and i am worried about it going out again after the warranty is out, but its still not enough for me to get all bent out of shape and sell the car or call it pos, kia, etc...

[DaleNixon]

Poor KIA :(

[derspi]

imho i dont think that the shocks should really be any reason to get all upset and want to get rid of the car. i do understand the turbo issue though. Mine was replaced at 36000 miles and i am worried about it going out again after the warranty is out, but its still not enough for me to get all bent out of shape and sell the car or call it pos, kia, etc...

Seriously, the constant karping is getting old. I can understand the disappointment but like many others have already mentioned, things DO break from time to time. Whether it happens to you or your car is the luck of the draw. It would be unreasonable to believe that every single car I own will be completely trouble free but so far, my last two cars have treated me very well, including the MS3 but it's only been a year so far so we'll see.

[GoFast]

i agree with you derspi i really do. i am so sick of these stupid threads/posts about how the ms3 is a pos or unreliable or i am selling because i modded it and it broke.

[///M Compact]

i agree with you derspi i really do. i am so sick of these stupid threads/posts about how the ms3 is a pos or unreliable or i am selling because i modded it and it broke.

I've never called the MS3 a POS on this forum. I AM disappointed that my brand new car has required two significant repairs under warranty-before it reached 26000 miles. And like you, I'm concerned about whether the new turbo will fail- and when. Will I sell it? I haven't decided yet.

[GoFast]

I've never called the MS3 a POS on this forum.

but you have on other forums?(fuoops) sorry couldnt resist.


I AM disappointed that my brand new car has required two significant repairs under warranty-before it reached 26000 miles. And like you, I'm concerned about whether the new turbo will fail- and when. Will I sell it? I haven't decided yet.

ultimately it is your car and your choice to make, not mine or anybody else's.

[bbrich57]

I'm warning you guys, don't make me start handing out the official infractions. Being insulting, flaming or insighting drama is against the rules here.
Keep the flames to a minimum, or take it to PM's.

[iredremix]

as many of you are saying.. the '07 really does have a lot of problems.. as soon as i get my car back ill call mazda corporate. if mazda doesn't give me a good compensation, i'll be trading it in for an '09 cuz i love this car. i'm just hoping that the '09 doesn't have any serious issues like falling engines and such

[)EIB(]

for those that have experienced engine mount failures and have contacted Mazda USA Corp., is there any confirmation from the headquarter that they are actually working on a solution to this mount failure issue? Especially since the previous recall doesn't solve anything.

[Young Roids]

I have never hear about Mazda working on a solution.

[clos561]

maybe the mounts wear because teh crappy rear mount, upgrading the rear trans mount makes everything more solid, compared to stock which could rock the side mount excessively making it eventually fail

[Alexsered]

Hey, lets put EVERYTHING in perspective. Lets go pay $70,000+ for an 08 Nissan GT-R, activate the launch control, and than go back to the dealership after the transmission fails. The computer saves the record of you activating the launch control, it automatically voids your warrently and the owner now must pay $10,000 for parts and labor to install a new transmission.

All cars have issues, if you want to see some really bad quality issues, go over to the VW forums and see just how many issues come up.

Anyway, on a side note, which engine mount is failing and was recalled? If I remember correctly, it was the side engine mount? I have a SU rear engine mount, but I don't think it's the one failing. If it's the side one, than I'll just pay the 100 bucks for a new one and replace it.

[iredremix]

wasn't it the one under the battery?

[Young Roids]

It's the one on the transmission side under the battery

[MicaSp33d]

well shit happens. Even the best can fail. If a company never had any failures they would be the best company in the world and everybody would only buy them.

I'm a quality control tech for an LCD TV company(which love to cut corners) and i've seen many failures of a certain model after a few months to a year, were i have the exact some model sitting in my room going on 2 years with no issues at all (knock on wood).

stock struts fail because we drive hard, i went through a few cars and all my struts were worn due to hard driving.

I agree that mazda did design shitty mounts, but if you think about it they had too. Stronger mounts would have vibrated the whole car and for people that wanted this for a dd, that was probably a no go, yet they still wanted to keep this torquey engine.

when i first got my car, first thing i noticed was the shifting feel and the way the motor swayed back and fourth, it look like trouble waiting to happen, motor mounts had to go ... waiting for tranny mount soon, i better cross my fingers.

[iredremix]

well i called the dealer today to find out the status of my car.. surely enough, it wasn't even touched. the fuckin service guy told me they were still waiting for mazda to approve the repair... anybody know why they need approval for this particular warranty repair?

[GoFast]

there really shouldnt be any reason for them to need mazdas approval on this one. the only thing i can really think of is if there is some major damage to other parts of the driveline from this. also did you have any engine mods at all?? i dont see any in your signature.

[iredremix]

there really shouldnt be any reason for them to need mazdas approval on this one. the only thing i can really think of is if there is some major damage to other parts of the driveline from this. also did you have any engine mods at all?? i dont see any in your signature.

that fuckin dealer's so bullshit. they told me that my driver side axle was messed up from the engine falling. they would have to swap that out too. i have a CAI .. don't know if that matters in this situation

[SPEED3TYPE2]

hey the dealer may not have torqued the tranny mount bolt down prpoerly when they replaced it before cuase if its not torqed properly the bolt will vibrate loose and cuase breakge. This happend to my buddy he didnt tq the bolt as good as he should have and the motor fell just like yours.

[phillyb]

well i called the dealer today to find out the status of my car.. surely enough, it wasn't even touched. the fuckin service guy told me they were still waiting for mazda to approve the repair... anybody know why they need approval for this particular warranty repair?

d0000d, be very careful...is the cai on the car at the dealership?
when they voided my warranty, they didn't even tell me this information. they just said that the car hasn't been worked on. i had to walk into the dealership at the end of the day to get an update on my car.
sure enough, a mazda rep came and took pics of my engine bay and voided my warranty. so fuck them.
be very careful

[iredremix]

d0000d, be very careful...is the cai on the car at the dealership?
when they voided my warranty, they didn't even tell me this information. they just said that the car hasn't been worked on. i had to walk into the dealership at the end of the day to get an update on my car.
sure enough, a mazda rep came and took pics of my engine bay and voided my warranty. so fuck them.
be very careful

what?! they're doing that now. that's bs. cai causing a motor to fall?

[phillyb]

i replied to your pm...also. these were two separate times. i didn't take my car to the dealership when my engine fell. i took my car to the dealership in october or something when i threw cel and my boost controller was on the car

[skrappyyy]

Two words, Lemon law. lol

[xtrememps]

I've been trying to read every little bit of this thread and for the most part I have and I'd like to throw my two cents in. First of all good luck with getting the mount fixed and STAYING that way and hopefully Mazda will throw you a bone for your troubles.

I unfortunately must say that Mazda has a HORRIBLE track record with motor mounts specifically. I understand cars are complicated and things go wrong but Mazda has exhibited signs of not learning from their mistakes which I find completely unacceptable since they are such an exceptional manufacturer and overall have very good quality vehicles.

My 2003 had several motor mount issues and I finally replaced them with stiff as hell AWR ones after my torn mounts decided to stress my trans out enough to break it. The tranny was replaced under warranty thankfully. I'm really paranoid something is going to happen with this car because I always have the same problems with Mazdas...it's scary almost..

My mom's 2000 Protege ES's suspension creaks in the cold, the motor mounts are shot actually (but it's an auto and not enough power to matter), my 2003 MSP had the worst suspension creaks in the cold (I did fix it with the AXR bracket and kept replacing bushings up front but it got reallllly old to deal with.), wastegate actuator took a crap, brakes that warped under 12 in break-in type stop and go easy driving, alarm took a crap, and my stereo had to be replaced a billion times too.

So far my 08 MS3 has been awesome but I'm getting nervous of the problems I've seen in cold weather (creaks and rattles), I had my stereo replaced under the 08.5 TSB for bass problems, and I'm hearing more and more people with newer MS3's or fixed ones having trans problems. Actually sometimes when it's cold out and I turn hard right I get this awful sound which I'm gonna have to get looked at shortly...oh boy.

I love Mazdas obviously. I've owned 2/4 Mazdaspeed products that have been made and learned to drive on my mom's old Protege but I hope Mazda learns how to make a freakin good motor mount for the next speed3..

And why haven't they done anything besides pampering and replacing with a supposedly "better" mount. Why don't they spit out a beefier unit in the vein of an aftermarket one and get some more return customers...

I feel like some people here are being a bit fanboish, and I consider myself a huge Mazda freak so something is wrong here. We can LOVE Mazda and still objectively point out it's shortcomings in a constructive manner.

If I ever had another mount problem I would certainly write Mazda a letter and would still have a hell of a decision before I bought another Mazda...

[iredremix]

I've been trying to read every little bit of this thread and for the most part I have and I'd like to throw my two cents in. First of all good luck with getting the mount fixed and STAYING that way and hopefully Mazda will throw you a bone for your troubles.

I unfortunately must say that Mazda has a HORRIBLE track record with motor mounts specifically. I understand cars are complicated and things go wrong but Mazda has exhibited signs of not learning from their mistakes which I find completely unacceptable since they are such an exceptional manufacturer and overall have very good quality vehicles.

My 2003 had several motor mount issues and I finally replaced them with stiff as hell AWR ones after my torn mounts decided to stress my trans out enough to break it. The tranny was replaced under warranty thankfully. I'm really paranoid something is going to happen with this car because I always have the same problems with Mazdas...it's scary almost..

My mom's 2000 Protege ES's suspension creaks in the cold, the motor mounts are shot actually (but it's an auto and not enough power to matter), my 2003 MSP had the worst suspension creaks in the cold (I did fix it with the AXR bracket and kept replacing bushings up front but it got reallllly old to deal with.), wastegate actuator took a crap, brakes that warped under 12 in break-in type stop and go easy driving, alarm took a crap, and my stereo had to be replaced a billion times too.

So far my 08 MS3 has been awesome but I'm getting nervous of the problems I've seen in cold weather (creaks and rattles), I had my stereo replaced under the 08.5 TSB for bass problems, and I'm hearing more and more people with newer MS3's or fixed ones having trans problems. Actually sometimes when it's cold out and I turn hard right I get this awful sound which I'm gonna have to get looked at shortly...oh boy.

I love Mazdas obviously. I've owned 2/4 Mazdaspeed products that have been made and learned to drive on my mom's old Protege but I hope Mazda learns how to make a freakin good motor mount for the next speed3..

And why haven't they done anything besides pampering and replacing with a supposedly "better" mount. Why don't they spit out a beefier unit in the vein of an aftermarket one and get some more return customers...

I feel like some people here are being a bit fanboish, and I consider myself a huge Mazda freak so something is wrong here. We can LOVE Mazda and still objectively point out it's shortcomings in a constructive manner.

If I ever had another mount problem I would certainly write Mazda a letter and would still have a hell of a decision before I bought another Mazda...


ur absolutely right.. i love my car also and i really really want to stay with this car..but ive had so many problems with this car in specific. i think my car's been at the dealer for a total of a month because of warranty repairs.. its ridiculous.. again i love the car, but we'll see what they say about this repair.. the mazda rep took pics and my car's being investigated according to the service manager.

[Abilor]

Glad I ordered my rear and side motor mounts...

[iredremix]

i've been calling the dealer and everyday, its always the same answer.."we're waiting for mazda to approve the warranty repair." today the dealer called me up and told me the repair is approved and they are sending parts into the dealer for the warranty. its a relief to finally find out there's some progress going on, but i'm still weary about keeping the same car, or even staying in the mazda family. as soon as I get my car back, i'm going to call mazda corporate and bitch until I get what I want. hopefully we can work something out cuz i love my ms3

[bgibb68]

start calling now.....i would

[phillyb]

d00d, for 28 dollars i fixed this with help of two other people. 8 dollars for the bolt, 20 to get it extracted once my extractor had already broken. waiting for however long you've been waiting for this is fucking retarded...
although did you have suspension problems?

[iredremix]

d00d, for 28 dollars i fixed this with help of two other people. 8 dollars for the bolt, 20 to get it extracted once my extractor had already broken. waiting for however long you've been waiting for this is fucking retarded...
although did you have suspension problems?

i never had suspension problems but the dealer said they'd replace the axle since the engine fucked it up, but who knows what they do and dont do. hopefully i won't have to fix anything else on this. i'm looking to get an '09

[iredremix]

start calling now.....i would

yea as soon as they're done i'm putting my car stock and will start calling. i just dont want any problems.

[bgibb68]

yea as soon as they're done i'm putting my car stock and will start calling. i just dont want any problems.

yeah i see your point there

[RJKSpeed3]

this sucks...now im not even sure if I should the car for long and my ms3 is completely stock performance wise,.

[UHATEIT]

it's been like 2 weeks, whats the status dude?

[iredremix]

it's been like 2 weeks, whats the status dude?

got my car back friday.. they fixed everything after 16 damn days.. i still didn't get to call mazda. i'm gonna call mazda monday night and hopefully i can get something started... i'm hoping mazda won't give me problems and give me what i want.

i drove my car around for awhile and it feels the same as before..i definitely had to get used to it cuz i was driving a minivan for more than 2 weeks.

[fasteract]

What is the group final say on this question..?.."a stiffer rear engine mount will help save the stock side tranny mounts" OR "a stiffer rear mount will stress out the stock side mounts" ?

[phillyb]

more stress on other mounts

[fasteract]

..thought so..who supplies the better upgraded side mounts?. The Medieval ones from Darksport or whatever he's called seems to be crap.

[Nutari]

..thought so..who supplies the better upgraded side mounts?. The Medieval ones from Darksport or whatever he's called seems to be crap.

We carry a replacement trans mount.

http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/index.php?cPath=160_419

[Abilor]

^^^^
And I can't wait to put it on.

[Nutari]

^^^^
And I can't wait to put it on.

(rockon)

[madvillian]

wow! i just saw this for the first time, thats fuckin scary!

[DaleNixon]

We carry a replacement trans mount.

http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/index.php?cPath=160_419

Ok this is the burning question for me: Will installing the TRZ-Dog bone + TRZ transmission mount lay the "engine falling" demons that haunt my sleep to rest?

[Nutari]

Ok this is the burning question for me: Will installing the TRZ-Dog bone + TRZ transmission mount lay the "engine falling" demons that haunt my sleep to rest?

interesting.. my name changed.

[DaleNixon]

Oh hell! Whoops! Haha!

[iredremix]

called up corporate today and their investigating the dealers. hopefully i get good results.

[iredremix]

called up corporate today and their investigating the dealers. hopefully i get good results.

got a call back from corporate and he left a message on my phone saying that he can't honor any kind of compensation because they have pics of my engine bay with aftermarket parts. isn't this bullshit? i thought by law they had to prove that my aftermarket part (aka intake) caused the problem? i'm gonna call this guy back as soon as i get a chance. if i dont get any good compensation, i'll be trading my car in and moving away from mazda. we'll see what happens..

[smakdown61]

got a call back from corporate and he left a message on my phone saying that he can't honor any kind of compensation because they have pics of my engine bay with aftermarket parts. isn't this bullshit? i thought by law they had to prove that my aftermarket part (aka intake) caused the problem? i'm gonna call this guy back as soon as i get a chance. if i dont get any good compensation, i'll be trading my car in and moving away from mazda. we'll see what happens..

Ask them how the intake matters when they sell their own CAI that is practically the same damn thing.

[iredremix]

yea i'm going to bitch at him when i talk to him. he was speaking to my dad, who had no idea what the hell's going on