Slowbalt SS trying to claim he's running 13.5's stock...

[Alexsered]

I normally don't care about videos on youtube, but this one struck a nerve because a stock cobalt is not going to be able to run 13.5's, and this guy is trying make people believe he is running 13.5's stock. I had to laugh at some of these people that believe him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHxW6WAr848

(lol)

[Babyface13]

LOL maybe on a 1000 ft track like NHRA is using now. HA HA HA but then I couldnt see him trapping 104 either if he was stock

[mckraut]

Could be a factory freak.

[FrequentFlyer]

Great, so he's proved that maybe even fugly cars can be fast. Who cares?

[mazdasp33d]

i raced an 08 cobalt from a 40 roll. with mods in sig. but i didnt have the test pipe in... i pulled on him then he won

[954_ms3]

i beat one from a 40 roll when i was stock by a half car, he had the camerman in his car and i was riding solo.

[mazdasp33d]

yea im pretty sure this concludes that 08s and 09 have different maps. because my buddy who use to have an 08 beat him the same way

[CnoTataymo]

i beat one from a 40 roll when i was stock by a half car, he had the camerman in his car and i was riding solo.
That camera man hurt him then.

If the Cobalt pulls away at top end, it's because the car is 200-300 lbs lighter.

[GoFast]

i believe he ran the time and trap speed, i just dont believe that it was a 100%stock car

[Alexsered]

I'm not big on racing my speed3, mostly because I put alot of miles on it, but when I raced a Saturn sky redline and a solestic GXP, I pulled away from them bad, and thats not me talking trash, that was me being surprised that I could pull away from a car so closely rated to ours.

I know that the saturn and pontiac use a truck transmission and the cobalt doesnt, but I figured the only differences would be transmission and FWD over RWD. I don't think the no lift shift helps that much, but I can see how the launch control is useful.

I would say that cobalt needs at least 280 WHP to break in the 13.5's

[Alexsered]

i believe he ran the time and trap speed, i just dont believe that it was a 100%stock car

yeah, I'm arguing the stock portion of it, not the time.

Also, I just saw a video today that there is a factory remapping for that engine that will give a 30 HP bump to 290 hp and up to 340 tq as a way of remapping the computer. If so, than stock for stock, the cobalt should easily win now, and that could be what the guy in the video has.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPwVCYTof2c

jump to 3:00 in the video

I know they are referring to the solestic and sky, but it's the same engine as the cobalt ss.

[eg6motion]

dunno, a perfect run could maybe be 13.5...shit happens. Maybe they aren't running stock tires...could be slicks or something tackier anyway...suppose that wouldn't be stock either though.

[clos561]

maybe its stock but turned up boost, technically its still stock just running more psi. i find this hard to believe cuz its not like u can powershift to gain more time like in our cars, mags ran 13.9 already doing powershift and 2step, our cars ran 14.0? without 2 step launch and no powershift. usually thats how drivers shave off the extra time , by powershifting (cobalt already does this)

[RC08MS3]

i raced an 08 cobalt from a 40 roll. with mods in sig. but i didnt have the test pipe in... i pulled on him then he won


soo.... all you had was an intake then correct? well from a roll that's the only advantage you had? how bad did he win? like he ripped ass passed you or did he creep?

[Nismothecat]

yeah, I'm arguing the stock portion of it, not the time.

Also, I just saw a video today that there is a factory remapping for that engine that will give a 30 HP bump to 290 hp and up to 340 tq as a way of remapping the computer. If so, than stock for stock, the cobalt should easily win now, and that could be what the guy in the video has.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPwVCYTof2c

jump to 3:00 in the video

I know they are referring to the solestic and sky, but it's the same engine as the cobalt ss.


the GM stage kits are not out yet for the SS/TC. early next year they say.

[my3needsaname]

If the Cobalt pulls away at top end, it's because the car is 200-300 lbs lighter.
No, it's because GM couldn't afford to put in the 200-300 extra pounds of parts that hold it together.

[oaklandopen]

if that's the cecil county drag strip in md then it could be true. I've heard stories of times being better on that track for some reason. The main one I hear is it's closer to sea level, but who knows

[FrequentFlyer]

if that's the cecil county drag strip in md then it could be true. I've heard stories of times being better on that track for some reason. The main one I hear is it's closer to sea level, but who knows

Because it's down hill.

[wanna3]

No thats not cecil in md, as for the ss i can KINDA believe that it ran posted time based on the how the driver raced and the fact thats turbo cobalt. Just my .02

[SubieKiller3]

i didnt even know they were making them now with a turbocharger untill last week when i saw one at a meet. this guy came out to a meet i was at last week with one and i thought at first that maybe the dude had taken off the supercharger and put on a turbocharger himself. suposedly they do the quarter a 10th of a second faster than us. i wonder why GM decided to make a change like that to the car (from supercharger to turbo)(uhm)

[ottawaP5]

It could be possible...remember these things come with launch control.

[oaklandopen]

i didnt even know they were making them now with a turbocharger untill last week when i saw one at a meet. this guy came out to a meet i was at last week with one and i thought at first that maybe the dude had taken off the supercharger and put on a turbocharger himself. suposedly they do the quarter a 10th of a second faster than us. i wonder why GM decided to make a change like that to the car (from supercharger to turbo)(uhm)

Someone told me it was cuz the company that supplied the SC did something to try to rip off GM and that's when they decided to use a turbo from someplace else

[lil_red_wagon]

i think that GM finally decided to go with a turbo instead of a SC because of the fact that EVERY OTHER CAR COMPANY HAS A TURBO FWD NOW. even ford gets to lay small claims on the ms3 since the american version was extensively developed by FMC (anyone who doesn't believe that or doesn't want to believe that just needs to talk to a couple of the engineers at ford).

as for the cobalt SS being that fast, it might be. the absolute heart of the ricer mentality is thinking that their car is the fastest no matter what. no one here wants to be ricers, so go out and prove that your car is faster rather than just trying to debunk some claims that another car is that fast without doing anything about it. if you do find a faster car, don't just give excuses. either live with it or do something about it.

[zim]

I know this guy that broke the record. we're good buds and he just got that car maybe 6 months ago. he's a good driver. also, the car is stock

how can the OP be that ignorant and call it a slowbalt? don't be such a bitch

[Circle9]

I think its possible, I know of factory freak Si's pulling off low 14's stock, while others can't do any better than mid 15's. I've seen videos of stock MS3's doing 13.7, so I imagine its possible for a Cobalt too.

[Alexsered]

I know this guy that broke the record. we're good buds and he just got that car maybe 6 months ago. he's a good driver. also, the car is stock

how can the OP be that ignorant and call it a slowbalt? don't be such a bitch

I'm being a bitch because this isn't real. I've seen SRT-4's and Mazdaspeed3's with launch control with awesome drivers not get close to that. I would believe 13.8s and mayber 13.7's, but launch control and no lift shift will not break a stock cobalt into 13.5's, sorry to burst everyone's bubble.

[Alexsered]

this isn't a thread about me being jealous, anyone that thinks that we should be jealous of the cobalt ss should sell there car now. This is me just poking fun at a guy claiming 1/4 mile times that I don't see possible for a stock cobalt. The best I've seen of any review for the cobalt has been 14.0s, I heard of people breaking into the 13.9's but nowhere did I see anyone come even close to 13.5's stock.

[Circle9]

Like I said, could be a factory freak. I've seen it happen, Si's dynoing 35 more hp to the wheels than other ones.

Lil' off topic but, I think it was C&D that claimed that if the used the no-lift-shift feature on the Cobalt that it would have beaten the MS3, the SS did a 14.2 vs the MS3's 14 flat. Has anyone tried the 1/4 with just that WOT box on the MS3? I think me likey his mod!

[Alexsered]

Like I said, could be a factory freak. I've seen it happen, Si's dynoing 35 more hp to the wheels than other ones.

Lil' off topic but, I think it was C&D that claimed that if the used the no-lift-shift feature on the Cobalt that it would have beaten the MS3, the SS did a 14.2 vs the MS3's 14 flat. Has anyone tried the 1/4 with just that WOT box on the MS3? I think me likey his mod!

I would like to know if it is a factory freak, I'm just more suspecious that there are mods on the car such as intake and tune that nobody can really see.

I was looking at the WOT box, but I don't know if I like the launch control, from what i've been reading, is that it's pretty nasty on the transmission.

[RC08MS3]

whats the elevation of the track? whats the temp? all this takes into account what he claims he ran stock 13.5. Im not trying to take sides but i mean, what if you went the same day he did, ran in the same temp, and ran the ms3 at a 13.5 or even better? the SS is around 200-300 pounds lighter, with a little less claimed HP and Torque, so anything is possible. and maybe its not stock, maybe its as simple as he put a drop in filter or even just cut up the stock airbox, idk. in that case it wouldn't be stock, but no need to down the car. Trust me, i think the SS is an ugly POS, i wouldnt buy one for the world if i had to, just a well performed car is a well performed car.

[squidmotion]

heheheee.... here is my take on the cobalt...

waking up every morning with mazdaspeed in driveway ... "hooray! i get to drive to work today"

waking up every morning with cobalt in driveway ... "hooray. i get to drive the rental car to work today... oh wait, it's in the shop"

i looked at these... wasn't impressed... sure it was fast... but SERIOUSLY lacking in the interior and refinement areas.... at least they took that stupid ricer wing off of it...

[GoFast]

heheheee.... here is my take on the cobalt...

waking up every morning with mazdaspeed in driveway ... "hooray! i get to drive to work today"

waking up every morning with cobalt in driveway ... "hooray. i get to drive the rental car to work today... oh wait, it's in the shop"

i looked at these... wasn't impressed... sure it was fast... but SERIOUSLY lacking in the interior and refinement areas.... at least they took that stupid ricer wing off of it...

true but that has always been what american muscle is about. raw, unrefined power. to me they are just sticking to their roots with the ss

[Alexsered]

true but that has always been what american muscle is about. raw, unrefined power. to me they are just sticking to their roots with the ss

I read somewhere that the biggest reason the Cobalt ss handles so well around the track is because of the rims and tires that come on it, not because of anything great that GM did. Does anybody know anything about this?

[GoFast]

I read somewhere that the biggest reason the Cobalt ss handles so well around the track is because of the rims and tires that come on it, not because of anything great that GM did. Does anybody know anything about this?
ehh i think thats a crappy logic. they said the same thing about the MS3 when it came out too. THe reality of it is that chevy built a quick little 4banger that handles pretty damn good.

[Alexsered]

ehh i think thats a crappy logic. they said the same thing about the MS3 when it came out too. THe reality of it is that chevy built a quick little 4banger that handles pretty damn good.

that could be, but the forged alloy upgrades that you can get through mazda for the mazdaspeed3 made a pretty big difference in the Road & Track mazdaspeed3, was an improvement 0-60, 1/4 mile, and the g's it pulled. So I think there is some logic to it. THe cobalt comes with wider, lighter, forged alloy rims, with wider and stickier summer tires. So maybe there is more logic to it than previously thought?

[GoFast]

that could be, but the forged alloy upgrades that you can get through mazda for the mazdaspeed3 made a pretty big difference in the Road & Track mazdaspeed3, was an improvement 0-60, 1/4 mile, and the g's it pulled. So I think there is some logic to it. THe cobalt comes with wider, lighter, forged alloy rims, with wider and stickier summer tires. So maybe there is more logic to it than previously thought?

well of course there is some logic to it. stickier tires will equate to better handling than non sticky tires. yes we can get parts to make ours handle better or accelerate faster, but guess what, so can they.
so while i agree that there is some logic to that argument, it hink it is a crappy argument. The cobalt stock handled better than many other cars stock. thats it

[coololddude]

Oh Yea, lets see how the cobalt does with a 50" HD TV in the back!!

[chief_wiggum]

Oh Yea, lets see how the cobalt does with a 50" HD TV in the back!!

game, set, match.

[clos561]

i just wanna race one, ive tried racing a black srt4 caliber but he didnt go(scared?) i never mind a loss cuz i dont always talk shit. car is good and bad just like ours. but the older models, too much plastic for my taste inside the cabin. havent seen the inside of the new ones

[robin2660]

the GM stage kits are not out yet for the SS/TC. early next year they say.

"unlocks learning feature of ECU" so that mods are automatically recognized and adjusted for.

[oaklandopen]

true but that has always been what american muscle is about. raw, unrefined power. to me they are just sticking to their roots with the ss

umm...no one is allowed to call any type of pocket-rocket american muscle. that term belongs to cars with twice the cylinders, and half the combusiton efficiency

[lil_red_wagon]

the one characteristic of an american muscle car is that it goes fast in a straight line. personally, i would say that RWD, half-back bucket seats, and big displacement represents american muscle, but the auto industry is just trying to adapt. i honestly think that they need to grow in leaps and bounds just to get some respect back now, though. case in point; here and now. no one can believe that the american econo-rocket is quick because american cars have been so subpar up until this point. i really think that the chevy name is about to be gone since pontiac, buick, and gmc have been being pushed so much harder than others.

[stdntDrvr]

specs:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123728850

yeah, it may be quick...but it's still a cobalt...just like an srt-4 will always be a neon/caliber.

[ERABBIT23]

I wouldnt say stock as in bone stock but he could be using a spring to hold the WGA open a little bit longer. I have seen a new turbo Cobalt go 13.89@100 bone stock no mods. If he is using a spring mod to hold the WGA open longer or even a hidden boost controller its possible. Bone stock never touched I doubt it tho!

[bjjer]

This thread = MS3 fanboi thread. Com on guys teh SS is an excellent performer stock and modified, none of their motor mounts failed or threw a rod upping the boost. GM did a good job on this one.

[lil_red_wagon]

This thread = MS3 fanboi thread. Com on guys teh SS is an excellent performer stock and modified, none of their motor mounts failed or threw a rod upping the boost. GM did a good job on this one.

i will definitely agree that GM did a good job performance and build wise, but they still use the same, regurgitated interior technology that they have in the past. that is the main thing that drives me nuts about GM is that they can knock the power and handling out of the park, but fail on the little touches.

and it is 1000% true that this was the wrong forum to post up about a cobalt. of course everyone is going to rip on it.

[LOL WUT]

I believe he ran that time and trap bone stock, the new cobalts have a pretty dang good setup from the factory. With the launch control activated it works as a 2-step and holds RPM's at whatever you set it at to ensure a good launch. Also with the NLS (no lift shift feature) I am sure he is ripping through the gears. And yes, I know all manual cars can NLS, the new cobalt is just designed to. My previous car was a fully bolted supercharged cobalt and the new turbo cobalts gave it a run for its money and I went 13.5's-13.7's all day long. With a good driver and great track conditions I see no reason why the time this cobalt ran is so unbelieveable.

[eg6motion]

This thread = MS3 fanboi thread. Com on guys teh SS is an excellent performer stock and modified, none of their motor mounts failed or threw a rod upping the boost. GM did a good job on this one.

+1
I think this time is entirely possible under the right circumstances...we are talking a couple tenths diff between magazine tests and this guy in the vid... it happens. There are also some stock MS3's that have hit exceptionally low 0-60 and 1/4 times, so there are always exceptions...generally great drivers or factory freaks.

[Nismothecat]

This thread = MS3 fanboi thread. Com on guys teh SS is an excellent performer stock and modified, none of their motor mounts failed or threw a rod upping the boost. GM did a good job on this one.

best post in this thread. although the ss/tc does have a problem with the charge piping coming loose or off, its a minor thing compared to the motor mount issue. i think GM did an awesome job on the SS/TC. Gm has been building some good cars lately. its too bad they are in the financial trouble they are in now.

[squire0311]

a GTO stock runs 13.3's and its way heaver. so why not
the new cobalt ss's hp is 260.

[ForceFed]

New cobalts are far from slow...and if you think so...you need to remove your head from your MS3's tailpipe.

[CnoTataymo]

Either way the Cobalt is quick. Usually American cars haven't had the refinement interior wise when making a quick affordable car. But as the for SRT-4 and Cobalt SS motor, they can make some good power without blowing.

When the 06' WRX's came out, magazines rated them hitting the 1/4 mile in 14.0 seconds. My friend took his to the track, bone stock and ran like consistent 13.7's and 8's. And that's with 91 octane since we're in Cali. So anything is possible. If that Cobalt had 93 or 95 octane, it would change a lot.

[Circle9]

I know a lot of people than race with 100 octane or more in their car, yet say its stock.

The new Genesis coupe can pick up 12 hp just by switching to premium (its suppose to be able to run on regular or premium)

[J-Villa]

tl;dr

Even if the cobal did run a 13.5 (you can see him row past the Scooby after they pass the camera).... just remeber it's still a Cobalt. Atleast the speed3 is built on an economy car that's actually worth owning. How many of ya'll would buy a N/A cobalt or neon, and how many of ya'll would buy a N/A mazda3? End of story.

[ForceFed]

I dont know about end of Story...But to each his own.

[LOL WUT]

I can't believe so many people get butt hurt because a "cobalt" ran a 13.5 stock.

[Speed3Rookie]

Believe it...the last time I looked this was a Mazdaspeed site.
I'm sure all you Cobalt lovers know the way to the Cobalt forums. Why not go praise them over there...I'm sure you'll be welcome to "show the love" for the Cobalt there.

[SwampAss]

I believe it's stock. That's impressive too.

[LOL WUT]

Believe it...the last time I looked this was a Mazdaspeed site.
I'm sure all you Cobalt lovers know the way to the Cobalt forums. Why not go praise them over there...I'm sure you'll be welcome to "show the love" for the Cobalt there.

Oh please if you cant respect a car and what it brings to the table then GTFO. We are all car enthusiast here so why not try and respct something other than what you drive. And dont give me that "ill give credit where credit is due bullshit" because you know damn well that the new SS/TC cobalt has earned more than enough credit in the performance division. I came from a SS/SC cobalt into my MS3 and I love my MS3, I have my reasons for doing so but I still give the turbo cobalt credit for what it has done.

[SwampAss]

Nevermind the fact if it was someone in an 09 MS3 doing it everyone would be high fiving them.

Lighter car, launch control, and less torque might be the .4 seconds. Our biggest hurdle is the first 2 gears. Maybe the Cobalt is actually able to put it's power to the ground.

[Speed3Rookie]

Oh please if you cant respect a car and what it brings to the table then GTFO. We are all car enthusiast here so why not try and respct something other than what you drive. And dont give me that "ill give credit where credit is due bullshit" because you know damn well that the new SS/TC cobalt has earned more than enough credit in the performance division. I came from a SS/SC cobalt into my MS3 and I love my MS3, I have my reasons for doing so but I still give the turbo cobalt credit for what it has done.

Reread my post.
Never said anything negative OR positive about the Cobalt.
These type of threads do not but cause infighting. Just look at all the locks on threads such as this.
Just a matter of time before this one meets it's fate.

Carry on....Cobalt lover.
I should have known you were a Cobalt owner...otherwise you wouldn't have got your panties in a bunch.

[LOL WUT]

Reread my post.
Never said anything negative OR positive about the Cobalt.
These type of threads do not but cause infighting. Just look at all the locks on threads such as this.
Just a matter of time before this one meets it's fate.

Carry on....Cobalt lover.
I should have known you were a Cobalt owner...otherwise you wouldn't have got your panties in a bunch.


Well it is obvious you have something against the cobalt if your telling people to go to the cobalt forums if they want to talk about it. I bet had this thread said nothing but negative things about the cobalt you would have stayed out. God forbid a cobalt rival the MS3 in performance... And god forbid anyone on a car site likes anything other than what the site is geared towards.

[ForceFed]

God Forbid....Amen.

[Speed3Rookie]

Well it is obvious you have something against the cobalt if your telling people to go to the cobalt forums if they want to talk about it. I bet had this thread said nothing but negative things about the cobalt you would have stayed out. God forbid a cobalt rival the MS3 in performance... And god forbid anyone on a car site likes anything other than what the site is geared towards.
Nope...nothing against the Cobalt, STi, GTR, GTO or any other car for that matter.
Simply put...this is a Mazda forum. Get over it and go spew your love for the Cobalt on their forum.

[ForceFed]

Nope...nothing against the Cobalt, STi, GTR, GTO or any other car for that matter.
Simply put...this is a Mazda forum. Get over it and go spew your love for the Cobalt on their forum.
Dude..your attitude make you a loser.
WHy dont you take your newb ass on down the road if you can't respect other cars for what they are.

The car is a Factory screamer...I hate to say it but GM put together a nice performance package on that car.

It does what its supposed to do well...Go.

[LOL WUT]

Nope...nothing against the Cobalt, STi, GTR, GTO or any other car for that matter.
Simply put...this is a Mazda forum. Get over it and go spew your love for the Cobalt on their forum.

So you are trying to say we should talk about nothing but mazdas here? Nothing at all? That sounds pretty exciting.

[kbrennan]

In my quest for a fun commuter car I test drove the Cobalt SS. Performance wise its all its cracked up to be particularly with the launch control. If I was after something that was strictly a fun car and didn't have to serve as my daily driver, it would probably be my choice.

With that said I'm currently stuck in a dilemma between the Scooby and the MS3. But had the cobalt been slightly more refined I could be driving one today.

[LOL WUT]

Dude..your attitude make you a loser.
WHy dont you take your newb ass on down the road if you can't respect other cars for what they are.

The car is a Factory screamer...I hate to say it but GM put together a nice performance package on that car.

It does what its supposed to do well...Go.

Shut up it's not a mazda, we are not aloud to talk about it here!!!...........

[ForceFed]

I dont even own a Mazda currently..But that doesn't close my mind to anything but what I currently drive.
I have owned many cars....and each one has its Benefeits.

My mazda did what it was supposed to do well....Turn....And While I thought it turned better than 90% of cars out there....I have respect enough for my passion, to recognize another good vehicle, whether it be performance, Luxury or limited..for what they are.

[Speed3Rookie]

Dude..your attitude make you a loser.
WHy dont you take your newb ass on down the road if you can't respect other cars for what they are.

The car is a Factory screamer...I hate to say it but GM put together a nice performance package on that car.

It does what its supposed to do well...Go.

Dude.. just because you dont have a life beside posting on this site what does that make you...a winner? lol...hardly.
I know you are proud of your high post count answering as many non-technical questions as you can to make you look like you know something about cars. Gimme a break.
You're the loser...moron.

[ForceFed]

Dude I will roll enough Technical right around your ass that your head will spin.

You better just check out my postings....I am one of the more informed and helpful members on this forum.
But I won't put up with childish BS from some Kid with a superiority complex and a chip on his shoulder.

And BTW...No..your car doesnt have any torque.
If you think it does...You need to drive something else.

And as far as my post count....I have been here over 6 years....Thats enough said.

[Speed3Rookie]

Dude I will roll enough Technical right around your ass that your head will spin.

You better just check out my postings....I am one of the more informed and helpful members on this forum.
But I won't put up with childish BS from some Kid with a superiority complex and a chip on his shoulder.

And BTW...No..your car doesnt have any torque.
If you think it does...You need to drive something else.

And as far as my post count....I have been here over 6 years....Thats enough said.
lol...one last comment for you sir.
I can give a rat's azz about the low level of technical skill you claim to have. You don't squat about what I know nor do I care to know IF you do indeed know anything about cars.
So.. you've been on here for 6 years answering childish posts about what BPV valve to run...big deal.
Get a life.

[ForceFed]

You have no idea.
I see that now and I realize arguing with you is worthless.

You have no idea who I am or what I know because obviously you have choosen to bump your gums rather than to do a bit of research before spouting off.

A Sure sign of immaturity.

[axisboldaslove]

lol...one last comment for you sir.
I can give a rat's azz about the low level of technical skill you claim to have. You don't squat about what I know nor do I care to know IF you do indeed know anything about cars.
So.. you've been on here for 6 years answering childish posts about what BPV valve to run...big deal.
Get a life.

dude give it up...forcefed fucking owns you...and you are telling him to get off the forums and get a life...then again who the fuck are you...bitching like a little girl about this and that...yes it's the mazda forums but dude ...who are you to say what we can and cannot discuss...i think that you need to get a life by not getting into bitch wars with other members man (jerkit)

[Speed3Rookie]

dude give it up...forcefed fucking owns you...and you are telling him to get off the forums and get a life...then again who the fuck are you...bitching like a little girl about this and that...yes it's the mazda forums but dude ...who are you to say what we can and cannot discuss...i think that you need to get a life by not getting into bitch wars with other members man (jerkit)
(butthump)

[LOL WUT]

Speed3Rookie do you or do you not care about what forcefed knows about cars? Because it seems in one post you were trying to point out that he didn't know shit about cars, but then once he decided to explain that he does know quite a bit, you decide it doesn't matter.

[bluelion]

if we can't talk about other vehicles here, how will we know what the competition is..... people who are closed minded like that are the ones that get surprised they just got beat by a cobalt, or even a ms3 for that matter....so many people have been beat by a ms3 and are totally confused cause they didn't know anything about it....and chances are, those are the people that only talked about their vehicle on their forum....

[bjjer]

Wow this thread turned into teh suck(notcool)

[MicaSp33d]

people here has some bruised egos ...

this tread lost meaning a few pages ago... pretty lame and a waste of time .. what happen to "lock"???

[Alexsered]

Nevermind the fact if it was someone in an 09 MS3 doing it everyone would be high fiving them.

Lighter car, launch control, and less torque might be the .4 seconds. Our biggest hurdle is the first 2 gears. Maybe the Cobalt is actually able to put it's power to the ground.

on this forum??? lol, everyone will be ripping into them for claiming they ran a time stock that is not possible, don't kid yourself.

I didn't start this thread to say anything bad about the cobalt, I might pick fun at it by saying the slowbalt, but I know that thing is fast, but from the few that I have seen, they perform almost exactly the same as my speed3, so it's so hard for me to believe that a cobalt can run 1/2 a sec. faster in the 1/4 mile than the speed3.

If someone posted a mazdaspeed3 video saying they ran 13.5s stock, I would be posting the same exact thread.

[Circle9]

The 2010 Speed3 needs 275's!!

[Alexsered]

Okay everyone, I just got more information about this cobalt, a 50 shot was used in this run, there might have been more mods, but that is as far as I know so far.

I knew this cobalt couldn't do those times stock.

[Circle9]

Just came from lurking around the Cobalt forums, the normal SS's seem to run mid to high 14's stock, while the T/C's run low 14's.

One guy in their claims a 13.56 stock, but there seems to be confusion as to whether he was running 5 more lb's of boost or not. Seems to be a lot of people talking B.S. on there.

[coololddude]

Cant we all agree that the MS3 is the bestess most wonderfulness car in all the world?

[lil_red_wagon]

on this forum??? lol, everyone will be ripping into them for claiming they ran a time stock that is not possible, don't kid yourself.

I didn't start this thread to say anything bad about the cobalt, I might pick fun at it by saying the slowbalt, but I know that thing is fast, but from the few that I have seen, they perform almost exactly the same as my speed3, so it's so hard for me to believe that a cobalt can run 1/2 a sec. faster in the 1/4 mile than the speed3.

If someone posted a mazdaspeed3 video saying they ran 13.5s stock, I would be posting the same exact thread.

yeah they would be ripping into whoever made that claim because that is what the people on these forums seem to do for some reason. sometimes, it doesn't really matter what someone says, there always has to be someone stepping right behind them to rip it apart.

anyways, a good driver can make the difference in 2-3 tenths in a 1/4 mile and launch control with weather situations can make up for another 2-3 tenths. it isn't that hard to believe, most people just don't want to believe it.

[squidmotion]

This thread = MS3 fanboi thread. Com on guys teh SS is an excellent performer stock and modified, none of their motor mounts failed or threw a rod upping the boost. GM did a good job on this one.

except for the fanboy comment (i'm 40... i consider myself a 'fanman' :) ), i totally agree with you...

GM hadn't built a compact i cared to drive for a long time... that thing really is a bullet... faster than the speed i bet, at least in a straight line...it's the road-course times that i'm doubting... but, who the hell am i?....

it still felt like a rental on the inside, and made a few weird noises that didn't sound too pleasant... a clunk after i shifted and let the clutch out? honestly, it might have been something wrong that needed to be looked at..... bad mount or something. this was a kind of demo model with about 200 miles..... it looked a bit plain and indifferent, but a VERY fresh approach at GM. and much different than the cobalt SS of the last few years, IMO...the handling may be great, but it felt more disconnected to me... but the ride wasn't too bad...


i still chose the speed3 over the others, as i liked the refinement, fit and finish, good neautral balance, handling, and affordable fun factor... if the cobalt or some of the other contenders would have been priced more friendly, i might have re-considered... but as it is, after 5 days of MS3 driving, i think we made a good choice.... i go by feel with my cars. and this car feels good. :)

[sanblaster]

Cant we all agree that the MS3 is the bestess most wonderfulness car in all the world?

no.

[MSP2024]

^agree cuz we all know the msp is the best damn car in the world haha

[sanblaster]

no, no mazdaspeed vehicle can be considered.

[SwampAss]

on this forum??? lol, everyone will be ripping into them for claiming they ran a time stock that is not possible, don't kid yourself.

I didn't start this thread to say anything bad about the cobalt, I might pick fun at it by saying the slowbalt, but I know that thing is fast, but from the few that I have seen, they perform almost exactly the same as my speed3, so it's so hard for me to believe that a cobalt can run 1/2 a sec. faster in the 1/4 mile than the speed3.

If someone posted a mazdaspeed3 video saying they ran 13.5s stock, I would be posting the same exact thread.


My post wasn't directed at you, but at the overall mentality displayed here.

[MSP2024]

damn i fail again

[my3needsaname]

haha, the MS's aren't the best car teh worldz. Teh MZ3's are teh bestest!! I can beat any SS, cobalt or impala! lolzerz.

[zim]

Alexsered, stop claiming you know this car did not run the time in the video. just stop. it's apparent that you know nothing. jealousy is a bitch. who cares if it ran a 13.5 or not anyway? why does it bother you so much?

[my3needsaname]

Seriously, you have to keep in mind that when an MS3 and an SS both hit 155 and hit a pothole, you'll have a busted control arm in the Cobalt and maybe a misalignment in the Mazda. It doesn't matter how fast they go the only car that can actually give the Speeds a run for their money is an STI purely because us Americans can make them fast but can't keep them together.

Jap on Jap action FTW!

[ForceFed]

Seriously, you have to keep in mind that when an MS3 and an SS both hit 155 and hit a pothole, you'll have a busted control arm in the Cobalt and maybe a misalignment in the Mazda. I really hope you arent serious....I dont care if your in a Mack....pothole at 150 can likely break any suspension part on any car.

DO you think you drive a M1 Abrams or what.

You kids kill me with your Abundance of Knowledge and the Fanboism you show daily.

[my3needsaname]

Obviously that's a bit of exaggeration, but you get my point. The MS3 and STI are the best built cars in their segment. The only GM's that I know of that are well built are Pontiacs and half of those come straight from Holden in Australia. Even though Holden is partially owned by GM, they're mostly on their own out there. Yes, there are other nicely built GM's but Chevys are not some of them.

I do have to be a fanboi of the cars that are built by the company I drive. Otherwise, I would've bought a Tacoma. TRD Sport FTW!

[latina4sho77]

naw.. that cant be true... ive raced a stock cobalt.. when i was stock and i got him by a car... they are pretty quick but not 13.5 stock....unless its a professional driver that can drive that car perfectly... which i doubt

[oaklandopen]

Obviously that's a bit of exaggeration, but you get my point. The MS3 and STI are the best built cars in their segment. The only GM's that I know of that are well built are Pontiacs and half of those come straight from Holden in Australia. Even though Holden is partially owned by GM, they're mostly on their own out there. Yes, there are other nicely built GM's but Chevys are not some of them.

I do have to be a fanboi of the cars that are built by the company I drive. Otherwise, I would've bought a Tacoma. TRD Sport FTW!

REPRESENTTTTTTTTTTT (except i took the TuRD sticker off like im sure most do)

http://www.imageput.com/hosted/7492dscn0004.jpg (http://www.imageput.com/)

[my3needsaname]

REPRESENTTTTTTTTTTT (except i took the TuRD sticker off like im sure most do)

http://www.imageput.com/hosted/7492dscn0004.jpg (http://www.imageput.com/)
Damn I love those trucks!
But take the TuRD sticker off?!!??! What are you insane!???!?!!?!? If I'm stuck up enough to drive the world's most perfect truck, I want people to know I'm no low-baller. lol jp, but I would never take off the TRD Sport sticker, it adds to the appeal of my favorite truck.(..and lets everybody know I'm no low-baller hehehe. (glare))
http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/08_TacomaACab17.jpg
Speedway Blue FTW!

[lil_red_wagon]

I really hope you arent serious....I dont care if your in a Mack....pothole at 150 can likely break any suspension part on any car.

DO you think you drive a M1 Abrams or what.

You kids kill me with your Abundance of Knowledge and the Fanboism you show daily.

odds are, you would end up going home on a stretcher if you hit a pothole at 150.

furthermore, if you have the stand-alone that will eliminate the top end (140), odds are that you have a decent amount of money in your car and you would need to be slapped for taking that kind of car out to destroy it. others would enjoy the part-out though.

[my3needsaname]

odds are, you would end up going home on a stretcher if you hit a pothole at 150.

furthermore, if you have the stand-alone that will eliminate the top end (140), odds are that you have a decent amount of money in your car and you would need to be slapped for taking that kind of car out to destroy it. others would enjoy the part-out though.
(check my post not about the Tacoma)
Probably would die doing that at 150 but my car's limited to 118, stupid Mazda. I do want to have a significant amount of money in my car but somewhere I have to get that significant amount of money and right now it's nowhere to be found.
Sadly, I don't think people would enjoy the part out since my car's stock! lol

[RC08MS3]

uhh, i thought the limit was 155.... ive done wayyy more than 118 and that was when i was stock

[lil_red_wagon]

the speed models are 140 (that's what C&D said anyways) and n/a models are 118 apparently.

[Yamaha72]

the speed models are 140 (that's what C&D said anyways) and n/a models are 118 apparently.

:bs: Your vision must be impaired.... 155 is the Governed Limiter in the Speed3. IDK about the N/A 3.

[GoFast]

yes where is this 140 number coming from??? the speed what? proteges, miatas, 6's, waht one?? its not the 3

[rosskoss]

Seriously, you have to keep in mind that when an MS3 and an SS both hit 155 and hit a pothole, you'll have a busted control arm in the Cobalt and maybe a misalignment in the Mazda. It doesn't matter how fast they go the only car that can actually give the Speeds a run for their money is an STI purely because us Americans can make them fast but can't keep them together.

Jap on Jap action FTW!

This is some of the most ignorant rubbish I've ever read on this forum. Ignorance has no bounds.

FWIW, I drive the MS3 and have driven mostly Japanese cars.

[RC08MS3]

o, my bad. but this is the MAZDASPEED 3 part of the forums, so i thought that was the subject.

[ForceFed]

o, my bad. but this is the MAZDASPEED 3 part of the forums, so i thought that was the subject.
Actually ...Smart guy..The subject here is The Chevy Cobalt SS T/C.

So, I guees a little grammar refresher course is in order for you.

[lil_red_wagon]

the speed models are 140 (that's what C&D said anyways) and n/a models are 118 apparently.


yes where is this 140 number coming from??? the speed what? proteges, miatas, 6's, waht one?? its not the 3

the SPEED3.

and the info came from CAR AND DRIVER like i said before. i am sorry that the info i provided is wrong, i will personally go and test the top ends of all cars before i say anything since all of you check your facts so fastidiously here.

[lil_red_wagon]

oh, and i just checked my newest car and driver, we're all wrong. the top end is 152, not 155. the cobalt SS is 156.

it goes on further to say this;

stats: ------------0-30------0-60--------0-100-------5-60--------1/4 mile
Cobalt SS----------2.2--------5.5---------13.3---------6.0---------14.2
MS3---------------2.3---------5.5---------13.2--------6.2----------14.0

basically, what that means is this would be a driver's race, just as has been stated several hundred times before. the SS could pull the MS3 in 0-30, they would be neck and neck 0-60, and the MS3 would be MARGINALLY BETTER in the 0-100 and 1/4 mile runs. i am seriously ready to have this thread locked. it is proving no purpose but to listen to people flame.

[GoFast]

the SPEED3.

and the info came from CAR AND DRIVER like i said before. i am sorry that the info i provided is wrong, i will personally go and test the top ends of all cars before i say anything since all of you check your facts so fastidiously here.


lmao dont get all butt hurt here, i was just unsure where the numbers came from because i know the ms3 is not governed at 140. i thought maybe you were mixing it up with another car or something. i dont even thiink that the 152 is accurate. maybe thats what c&d said but i am pretty sure its not right. i have seen my speedo go above 152

[GoFast]

top speed 155 (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/wagons/112_0610_2007_mazda_speed3/index.html)

if oyu google it, there are a few more car sites that have 155 as the top speed

[RC08MS3]

Actually ...Smart guy..The subject here is The Chevy Cobalt SS T/C.

So, I guees a little grammar refresher course is in order for you.


Grammer or not, the thread turned into a comparison of the MS3 and the SS T/C

[GoFast]

with all due respect, what did you expect was going to happen by posting this?? you didnt honestly think that we would smack eachother on the ass and say go ms3 did you?

[ForceFed]

i have seen my speedo go above 152Factory Speedo Are QUITE inaccurate.
Especially when you are that high up in the range.
The resolution of error will get progressively worse depending on where the speedo is at its highest accuracy which I am sure will be closer to most LEGAL Limits of between 35-75MPH.
At 150 on the speedo and an error rate of only say 7%...Which is not at all uncommon..SOmetimes even higher..you may actually be only doing 139MPH or so.

Speedo are almost never Innacurate as to read slow on a stock car...but they will typically read high.

[lil_red_wagon]

lmao dont get all butt hurt here, i was just unsure where the numbers came from because i know the ms3 is not governed at 140. i thought maybe you were mixing it up with another car or something. i dont even thiink that the 152 is accurate. maybe thats what c&d said but i am pretty sure its not right. i have seen my speedo go above 152

you also have to take into consideration that the speedo isn't incredibly accurate after 100 mph. the term "an inch here means a mile there" applies here. if it is 1 mph off at 30 (very common), it will be about 5 mph off at 150. radar is the most reliable, and i am sure that they use radar to compare that many car's stats so that nothing is askew and all is based on one standard.

i posted that up like that because it was the second time i did so. i don't like to repeat myself, especially when it is written directly in front of you and all you have to do is scroll up a little.

[lil_red_wagon]

Factory Speedo Are QUITE inaccurate.
Especially when you are that high up in the range.
The resolution of error will get progressively worse depending on where the speedo is at its highest accuracy which I am sure will be closer to most LEGAL Limits of between 35-75MPH.
At 150 on the speedo and an error rate of only say 7%...Which is not at all uncommon..SOmetimes even higher..you may actually be only doing 139MPH or so.

Speedo are almost never Innacurate as to read slow on a stock car...but they will typically read high.

wow, you ninja-ed me on that one.

[ForceFed]

LOL...SOrry...and I type slow.

[GoFast]

right, if you notice i did not say i went over 152, i said my speedo has read faster than that. and the governor doesn't engage from actual speed, it engages when the speedo says 155. so odometer accuracy means squat here.

[lil_red_wagon]

it engages when the VSS says that it is going that fast. the VSS still has to "speak to the speedo", so to speak, and the speedo has it's own calibration settings. the VSS and the speedo can be off and make this effect amplified to you, but the governor will only be off as far as the VSS is off.

[GoFast]

regardless, to say that the governor is set at 152 is wrong just like saying it was set to 140 is wrong. the governor is being told to engage at 155 whether the speedo says that is completely irrelevant.

[ForceFed]

Bllah..blah blah..WTH were we originally talking about?

At this point in time this thread has run its course and I think its time to kill it.

[lil_red_wagon]

regardless, to say that the governor is set at 152 is wrong just like saying it was set to 140 is wrong. the governor is being told to engage at 155 whether the speedo says that is completely irrelevant.

alright, you are right whether or not any of the facts prove it.

[GoFast]

Bllah..blah blah..WTH were we originally talking about?

At this point in time this thread has run its course and I think its time to kill it.

quite true. on the positive side though, atleast the ms3 vs cobalt ss debate ended(usa)

[lil_red_wagon]

no, i am afraid it hasn't. this debate will never end. this is only one of the two threads about this right now. this one has been going on for about a week and it is up to 9 pages already. it will probably go on for 10-12 pages before another thread saying exactly the same thing will pop up.

[GoFast]

no, i am afraid it hasn't. this debate will never end. this is only one of the two threads about this right now. this one has been going on for about a week and it is up to 9 pages already. it will probably go on for 10-12 pages before another thread saying exactly the same thing will pop up.

i do suppose you are correct. but what the heck, its an ms3 forum of course we are going to debate the differences between our cars and others. the difference between a good debate(r) and a bad one(s) is knowing that the ms3 isnt the greatest car since sliced bread and there will be better and faster cars out there

[my3needsaname]

This is some of the most ignorant rubbish I've ever read on this forum. Ignorance has no bounds.

FWIW, I drive the MS3 and have driven mostly Japanese cars.
Well maybe but honestly, have you ever heard of an American made car lasting longer than an import?
Japanese cars just last longer, are built better, and usually have less damage caused when doing stupid shit at high speed since in Japan the people just drive and drive stupidly part of the time.
I don't give a damn what you think because what you think about me is wrong.
Besides that this is a forum where Japanese cars RULE it. MS3's, Evo's, STI's, what the hell do you expect from it?

[Alexsered]

Alexsered, stop claiming you know this car did not run the time in the video. just stop. it's apparent that you know nothing. jealousy is a bitch. who cares if it ran a 13.5 or not anyway? why does it bother you so much?

Zim, get your head out of your ass, I already found out this guy in the video was running a 50 shot, and now on the SS forums it seems as though this guy was also running 5 more lbs of boost.

And it bothers me because people post crap like this an slower people like you actually believe it. Have to protect the people that ride the short bus.

[GoFast]

Well maybe but honestly, have you ever heard of an American made car lasting longer than an import?
Japanese cars just last longer, are built better, and usually have less damage caused when doing stupid shit at high speed since in Japan the people just drive and drive stupidly part of the time.
I don't give a damn what you think because what you think about me is wrong.
Besides that this is a forum where Japanese cars RULE it. MS3's, Evo's, STI's, what the hell do you expect from it?

1,000,000 mile chevy (http://news.cnet.com/8301-9373_3-9868823-55.html)

[my3needsaname]

1,000,000 mile chevy (http://news.cnet.com/8301-9373_3-9868823-55.html)
Well, that is a truck and a siverado to beat. You can't get any more bang for your buck in an engine than a Ford truck or Chevy Silverado...or a Volvo but that's a different boat.
But I'm talking about their cars, they've been making trucks for at least 90 years but their cars haven't been around nearly as long so they aren't built as strong.
I guess what I meant to say was have you ever heard of an American car lasting longer than an import car?

[LOL WUT]

Zim, get your head out of your ass, I already found out this guy in the video was running a 50 shot, and now on the SS forums it seems as though this guy was also running 5 more lbs of boost.

And it bothers me because people post crap like this an slower people like you actually believe it. Have to protect the people that ride the short bus.

Sorry but if that car had a 50 shot and 5 more pounds of boost he would be trapping higher than that for sure. My cobalt trapped 99mph stock..

[clos561]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30UxICiLlss&feature=related

watch this video

[GoFast]

Well, that is a truck and a siverado to beat. You can't get any more bang for your buck in an engine than a Ford truck or Chevy Silverado...or a Volvo but that's a different boat.
But I'm talking about their cars, they've been making trucks for at least 90 years but their cars haven't been around nearly as long so they aren't built as strong.
I guess what I meant to say was have you ever heard of an American car lasting longer than an import car?


now you are just making excuses (hand) truck or not its a chevy that has outlasted maaaaany import cars. on top of that, a could almost promise you that truck works harder than many of the import cars that have blown up with less than a million miles on it.

[Alexsered]

Sorry but if that car had a 50 shot and 5 more pounds of boost he would be trapping higher than that for sure. My cobalt trapped 99mph stock..

I am not sure about the 5 lbs, but a 50 shot was used. I think with a normal driver, a 50 shot and 5lbs+ boost is reasonable to think a 13.5s time and 104 trap. It would be around 300whp and we see that with people in the mazdaspeed3's.

[my3needsaname]

now you are just making excuses (hand) truck or not its a chevy that has outlasted maaaaany import cars. on top of that, a could almost promise you that truck works harder than many of the import cars that have blown up with less than a million miles on it.
Of course I am!!! Trust me I know that truck works harder than ANY import car. I drive an Expedition on the off days and that thing works harder than my MZ3 EVER will or can.
It's just that I've grown up with the view that imports run better and last than most American vehicles in the car department. (except I will NEVER EVER give ANY credit to a prius. Those are crap and pollute more than the 5.4L V8 I got in the driveway, I don't give a damn what people say.)

[GoFast]

oh trust me i understand your thinking i am just playing devils advocate here a bit. I don't necessarily agree with it because i truly think longevity is on a case by case basis and there are too many variables to put a blanket statement out there claiming imports run longer than domestics.

It is sort of like saying imports get better gas mileage than domestics. is it true? not completely. chevy does have more cars getting over 30mpgs than any other car maker.

[zim]

I trapped 104 with CS inserts, so what? it's all about the track prep, temp, elevation, and most importantly, a good driver.

[clos561]

did u guys click the link i posted? is that the same ss or what? same color, but it ran 13.6 trapped 104 stock

[mdl247]

i actually believe it!! they have the ms3 bone stock clockin at 13.9's i saw but the new cobalt ss has had their shit revamped literally. they went from a super charger to a turbo and when i read up on it in 07 when they said they were gonna make the change to turbo instead of super charger it was gonna be faster than the ms3 and the specs that they had at the time seemed true so i actually do believe that it is stock although i wouldn't like to simply the up they ante and did it i would say

[my3needsaname]

oh trust me i understand your thinking i am just playing devils advocate here a bit. I don't necessarily agree with it because i truly think longevity is on a case by case basis and there are too many variables to put a blanket statement out there claiming imports run longer than domestics.

It is sort of like saying imports get better gas mileage than domestics. is it true? not completely. chevy does have more cars getting over 30mpgs than any other car maker.
It does depend on the car, day it was made, how close to perfect the people cared to make it, how precise the equipment was working that day, etc. etc...
In most cases I have seen imports do better in the long run than domestics.

But the question is, do you want to drive any of Chevy's cars that get over 30MPG???
I wouldn't mind driving a 4 bangin' 2-door Accord ever day but a 4 bangin' Malibu or Aveo...you might have to pay me to take that off the lot. Then again, that's just how I feel about them. I did drive by a Chevy dealer the other day...$18K off a brand new already lifted Silverado quad cab, dunno the price but $18K off just for looking at it sounds like a good deal to me.

[widowedeight]

I normally don't care about videos on youtube, but this one struck a nerve because a stock cobalt is not going to be able to run 13.5's, and this guy is trying make people believe he is running 13.5's stock. I had to laugh at some of these people that believe him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHxW6WAr848

(lol)

i literally made an account on this forum just to call out ANY ms3 or other mazda that is stock or minor mods that doesn't think a ss/tc can run this so i can ruin your day and ruin your posts showing they do run mid 13's BONE STOCK i live in jersey but go back and forth from central jersey to lancaster pa if any one of you are in the area i can make you wish you didn't call BS on this vid.... take it slo cars

[widowedeight]

maybe its stock but turned up boost, technically its still stock just running more psi. i find this hard to believe cuz its not like u can powershift to gain more time like in our cars, mags ran 13.9 already doing powershift and 2step, our cars ran 14.0? without 2 step launch and no powershift. usually thats how drivers shave off the extra time , by powershifting (cobalt already does this)

it isn't powershifting for one cause you have to use the clutch, and you can't turn the boost up on them cause the ecu "sees" you do this and adjusts to make it so you arn't able to break 260whp and 260 lbtq w/o a tune, also my first time ever at a track i ran 13.9 at 103 and i am not really that good at launching yet (btw launching of the launch control i ran 14.7 the launch control is just useless the only positive of it is no-lift-shift)

[my3needsaname]

i literally made an account on this forum just to call out ANY ms3 or other mazda that is stock or minor mods that doesn't think a ss/tc can run this so i can ruin your day and ruin your posts showing they do run mid 13's BONE STOCK i live in jersey but go back and forth from central jersey to lancaster pa if any one of you are in the area i can make you wish you didn't call BS on this vid.... take it slo cars
Well that's a p.o.s move and you should be banned.

[ForceFed]

Well that's a p.o.s move and you should be banned.
Stop your whining.....He is simply saying Bring it...and I am glad he is.

A lot of you guys are nothing but Fanboi's who cannot see the good in other cars or that something is possibbly faster than you.

I will race you MS3 guys...In my heavy arse 5000lb pig.

Dont get butt-hurt if you lose though.

Man...You guys kill me.....THe MS3 is not god gift to great cars.
Its still a performance based addition to an Economy car....Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Circle9]

it isn't powershifting for one cause you have to use the clutch, and you can't turn the boost up on them cause the ecu "sees" you do this and adjusts to make it so you arn't able to break 260whp and 260 lbtq w/o a tune, also my first time ever at a track i ran 13.9 at 103 and i am not really that good at launching yet (btw launching of the launch control i ran 14.7 the launch control is just useless the only positive of it is no-lift-shift)

Dude, do you even know what you are talking about?

[Alexsered]

Stop your whining.....He is simply saying Bring it...and I am glad he is.

A lot of you guys are nothing but Fanboi's who cannot see the good in other cars or that something is possibbly faster than you.

I will race you MS3 guys...In my heavy arse 5000lb pig.

Dont get butt-hurt if you lose though.

Man...You guys kill me.....THe MS3 is not god gift to great cars.
Its still a performance based addition to an Economy car....Sorry to burst your bubble.

dude, nobody is saying the ms3 is the best car in the world here, maybe you should read the posts before you go out attacking other ms3 owners. We all pretty much agreed that with launch control and no lift shift that the SS is faster than the ms3. So your comment about fanboi's here really doesn't make any sense because there isn't anybody on this thread that was acting that way.

[Alexsered]

i literally made an account on this forum just to call out ANY ms3 or other mazda that is stock or minor mods that doesn't think a ss/tc can run this so i can ruin your day and ruin your posts showing they do run mid 13's BONE STOCK i live in jersey but go back and forth from central jersey to lancaster pa if any one of you are in the area i can make you wish you didn't call BS on this vid.... take it slo cars

dude you do realize that the SS is faster in the 1/4 mile because of the launch control and no lift shift right? To make it fair, race a ms3 that intalled launch control and no lift shift on there car and it will probably be dead even.

[ForceFed]

dude, nobody is saying the ms3 is the best car in the world here, maybe you should read the posts before you go out attacking other ms3 owners. We all pretty much agreed that with launch control and no lift shift that the SS is faster than the ms3. So your comment about fanboi's here really doesn't make any sense because there isn't anybody on this thread that was acting that way.Actusally...I have read this entire thread and there is plenty of non-beleivers and guys who are so hard headed they can't even hear anything else over the sound of how AWSOME the MS3 is....Please....
If thats not Fanboism.....I dont know what is.

Maybe you need to go back an re-read and actually take in all the Smartass, hardheaded, closed minded comments.

I am by no means saying thr Cobalt is better..or faster...but the MS3 is no Refined Audi R8 either.

I mean....Damn...These cars are both fairly Equal in all Depts.
And asking the Cobalt to Turn off one of its stock features that makes it better is like asking a V8 to remove four Spark plugs when running you since they have four more cylinders.

Its assinine to think that way at best.

[Alexsered]

Actusally...I have read this entire thread and there is plenty of non-beleivers and guys who are so hard headed they can't even hear anything else over the sound of how AWSOME the MS3 is....Please....
If thats not Fanboism.....I dont know what is.

Maybe you need to go back an re-read and actually take in all the Smartass, hardheaded, closed minded comments.

I am by no means saying thr Cobalt is better..or faster...but the MS3 is no Refined Audi R8 either.

I mean....Damn...These cars are both fairly Equal in all Depts.
And asking the Cobalt to Turn off one of its stock features that makes it better is like asking a V8 to remove four Spark plugs when running you since they have four more cylinders.

Its assinine to think that way at best.

pretty much anyone that has test driven the cobalt and the ms3 has said that the ms3 is definatly more refined, and feels higher in class. Nobody here is saying the ms3 is faster than the cobalt though, and I was the one that started this thread, so I have been reading the posts, all we are doing is refuting that a stock cobalt ran 13.5's.

So pretty much you don't want anybody to criticize any other car on this forum? Get real and stop talking like ms3 owners here are retarded, nobody here is comparing it to an r8 or saying our ms3 is the best car in the world. We all know our ms3 strong points and our week points.

On a side note, the V8 needs the spark plug to run, the cobalt doesn't need launch control or no lift shift to run. When the cobalt gets tested without the launch control and no lift shift, it's slower than the speed3. So if these cars are so similar in HP and TQ, of course the launch control and no lift shift would give the cobalt the advantage, so why not race equally equiped cars to see which one really is faster?

[ForceFed]

pretty much anyone that has test driven the cobalt and the ms3 has said that the ms3 is definatly more refined, and feels higher in class. Nobody here is saying the ms3 is faster than the cobalt though, and I was the one that started this thread, so I have been reading the posts, all we are doing is refuting that a stock cobalt ran 13.5's.

So pretty much you don't want anybody to criticize any other car on this forum? Get real and stop talking like ms3 owners here are retarded, nobody here is comparing it to an r8 or saying our ms3 is the best car in the world. We all know our ms3 strong points and our week points.

On a side note, the V8 needs the spark plug to run, the cobalt doesn't need launch control or no lift shift to run. When the cobalt gets tested without the launch control and no lift shift, it's slower than the speed3. So if these cars are so similar in HP and TQ, of course the launch control and no lift shift would give the cobalt the advantage, so why not race equally equiped cars to see which one really is faster?I dont mind Criticism..I really have no dog inthis fight...But I hate people who are closed minded and not able to see anything past their own Ego. (not directed at you BTW...In General)

Equally equipped would be stock for stock IMHO...
And the V8 Comment was rhetorical at best to provide an Example of how ridiculous it is to ask them to not use what they have from the factory.

That how the car was designed and if using that nets the best Stock for stock numbers...Then thats what they are.
Stock comparisons.

And I do beleive the Cobalt SS is capable of these times.

There were a ton of guys who couldn't get there MSP's out of the 15's when stock...and some when modded as well.
Then there where others, like myself , who could get mid 14's stock and a 14 flat with a mere $400 in mods.And that was s low time considering spinning through three gears and still trapping 103.

SO yes..every car will be a bit different.

And you may not be one of the Little guys who think there car is golden....But just read back the last couple of pages...Its ridiculous some of the things that are said by some hardheaded MS3 owners.

WE are not talking refinement here either....You posted about track times....That is what we should be discussing.

And you saying them without the their factory equipment being utilized makes it fair..I do not agree with this.
Stock for Stock is just that.
Use what you brung.

[Alexsered]

I dont mind Criticism..I really have no dog inthis fight...But I hate people who are closed minded and not able to see anything past their own Ego. (not directed at you BTW...In General)

Equally equipped would be stock for stock IMHO...
And the V8 Comment was rhetorical at best to provide an Example of how ridiculous it is to ask them to not use what they have from the factory.

That how the car was designed and if using that nets the best Stock for stock numbers...Then thats what they are.
Stock comparisons.

And I do beleive the Cobalt SS is capable of these times.

There were a ton of guys who couldn't get there MSP's out of the 15's when stock...and some when modded as well.
Then there where others, like myself , who could get mid 14's stock and a 14 flat with a mere $400 in mods.And that was s low time considering spinning through three gears and still trapping 103.

SO yes..every car will be a bit different.

And you may not be one of the Little guys who think there car is golden....But just read back the last couple of pages...Its ridiculous some of the things that are said by some hardheaded MS3 owners.

WE are not talking refinement here either....You posted about track times....That is what we should be discussing.

And you saying them without the their factory equipment being utilized makes it fair..I do not agree with this.
Stock for Stock is just that.
Use what you brung.

it's nothing personal but it just seems like on this forum that there are a few people that hate when any ms3 owner criticizes another car or compares a ms3 to another car that the ms3 owner is just being a fanboy. I think on this forum the word "fanboy" was way over used in 2008.

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