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[alexanderig]

sup guys basically im car shopping for an ms3 right now decided to hop on and learn some more i test drove one and it had a lot of torque steer is this normal ? well heres my old ride it got jacked r.i.p lol

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[MSP2024]

torque steer is normal with the ms3, sorry about that ride though it looks clean as hell

[zim]

nice hatch man. I know what it's like (shrug)
the one in my sig was stolen

[PCspeed3]

mucho torque + FWD = damn tourque steer. lol

[xtrememps]

Yeah what pcspeed3 said..I'm assuming your Honda was N/A. Welcome to the world of Torque ;-)

[alexanderig]

Yeah what pcspeed3 said..I'm assuming your Honda was N/A. Welcome to the world of Torque ;-)

lol ive considered alot of cars and all the ones ive test driven im like TORQUE!!! wow lol. i really like the ms3 i was considering an evo and a g35 coupe but im going with the ms3 because its unique not many around here. ill get use to the torque steer right ? because i drove one and it was kinda hard to control. one more question where is traction control located because on the left side of the steering wheels theres the DSC is this the same thing as traction control? wellim happy to be joining ill hopefully be pickign mine up on monday (dance)

[Parad0x01]

yep DSC is the same as traction contol

[daonly1around]

lol ive considered alot of cars and all the ones ive test driven im like TORQUE!!! wow lol. i really like the ms3 i was considering an evo and a g35 coupe but im going with the ms3 because its unique not many around here. ill get use to the torque steer right ? because i drove one and it was kinda hard to control. one more question where is traction control located because on the left side of the steering wheels theres the DSC is this the same thing as traction control? wellim happy to be joining ill hopefully be pickign mine up on monday (dance)

it controls both, but to turn the tractional control off as well as the dsc you have to hold the button while the car is off, keep holding it, turn it on and hold it for a couple more seconds, then release and they both should be off

[alexanderig]

ok so hitting it once will just turn off dsc, and one more question the seats are recaro right ? im sorry for all the questions i have done my research im just a noob when it comes to mazda. so give me some time lol

[240ka]

springs will do a good deal of taking it away.

i just installed my springs thrusday and there is virtually no tq steer anymore.

[essejkcamraw]

ok so hitting it once will just turn off dsc, and one more question the seats are recaro right ? im sorry for all the questions i have done my research im just a noob when it comes to mazda. so give me some time lol


i wishhhhhh! still nice seats though.

[daonly1around]

i wishhhhhh! still nice seats though.

yeah, this isn't a prosche... not even a 944

[essejkcamraw]

yeah, this isn't a prosche... not even a 944

thats a good thing my man! (stash)

[squidmotion]

well the one i just bought doesn't seem to torque steer all that bad, i mean nothing that isn't easily managed... never does it feel out of control....

but then again i have yet to launch it hard, and might not do much of that (not saying it's badd, just not really why i bought it)...

under normal driving, and giving it the boot from a roll, i don't notice it at all... in fact, i think it is better than in front drivers with less power...

just my opinion anyway... coming from an older guy who is used to massive HP in rear wheel drive cars...

[alexanderig]

well im use to a no torque b16 hatchback and a honda s2000 lol ive been driving those two cars for a long time. the reason i asked about the recaro is because the other cars i was looking at came standard with it like evos, sti,s but thanks guys for all the info ill have my soon hopefully ill post some pics when i get it

[alexanderig]

o and btw ive owned one mazda i had a miata for a little bit before selling it for the s2000. it was a drift slut lol

[240ka]

you have to remember, these cars have 280ft lbs of tq.


the little B16 doesnt which means you are going to feel alot of tq steer you arent use to. get some springs, easy fix

[Rotus8]

The torque steer is quite manageable, but it can surprise you. I had a brown pants moment one day when I punched it heading onto a nice sweeping off ramp. There was a transition where one front wheel was on cement, the other was on asphault. The slight difference in traction was enough to give me a big yank on the steering wheel and I suddenly was heading toward that concrete pointy thing between the roads. I got it under control, but the point was made that if you punch it, be ready for a little reaction.

[daonly1around]

the seats do have a good amount of bolster support. Although i don't know how big you are, i'm 5-10 190 and they fit me well... not too tight, but i can feel the bolsters on my sides, which i like

[squidmotion]

yes, and i've run around with the DSC on so far... a bit cooler this morning, and while showing the oldest daughter how it ran, i got it to torque steer a bit... but i feel it is very well managed for a front driver...

and torque steer is the reason i always used to discount front drive performance cars... just didn't feel right... not so with these... it's obviously there, but i praise what mazda has done to eliminate it.....


i forgot how much a turbo (and intercooler) really like the cold weather.... :)


as far as the seats... i'm 6'4" and about 245... and they fit very nicely, and i am very wide in the shoulders... if i was a wider guy around the buttocks, i might think they are a bit snug.......

this was a big selling feature for me... most small cars are totally unusable for guys my size... (hehehe scion XC)... i was immediately impressed by the way the seats can be LOWERED... some others do this, but in the speed, i have to actually move the seat up a tad and forward some as well, to be comfortable... how refreshing!

[zim]

the torque steer really comes in when powering out corners with an uneven road or on a straight in 3rd (sometimes 4th) gear with an uneven road at full boost. it's definitely manageable but if you're not used to it, it can be quite difficult to maintain especially trying to steer with one hand. you really have to man handle it but I think it's fun

[alexanderig]

alright thanks guys for all the info i was looking at the g35 but i really want the potential of boost and a more unique ride

[alexanderig]

ok and question when i do a blow off valve i want to do hks ssq ive been reading about two different modes what are the difference ? recirculating and the otehr ? which is better ? and does any have a hks ssq sound clip

[mr_mazda329]

The car came with recirc. So go that route. You can get BOV, but it will run really rich between shifts and will get nasty pops too. I like the Forge BPV myself.

[alexanderig]

so if i were to run a hks bov i can run the recirculating mode ? will it run fine ?

[240ka]

yeah, i have the greddy type s and running in recirc. you want to run these cars in recirc mode. thats how they were made to run

[GoFast]

welcome!!!!!!

[alexanderig]

one more question opinions on springs? what brand? and hows the camber on them thanks for all the info so far

[GoFast]

my opinion on springs is to wait. there are some good ones coming, jsut have to be patient. if you cant wait then id say run the eibach pro kit

[alexanderig]

my opinion on springs is to wait. there are some good ones coming, jsut have to be patient. if you cant wait then id say run the eibach pro kit

im looking at the H&R it offer 1.5-2 in. drop will i need a camber kit ?

[Retrobmx63]

The torque steer is quite manageable, but it can surprise you. I had a brown pants moment one day when I punched it heading onto a nice sweeping off ramp. There was a transition where one front wheel was on cement, the other was on asphault. The slight difference in traction was enough to give me a big yank on the steering wheel and I suddenly was heading toward that concrete pointy thing between the roads. I got it under control, but the point was made that if you punch it, be ready for a little reaction.

Couldn't have said it any better. The torque steer on this car is no reason to steer you away from this car [pun intended].

The damn windshield creak/tapping is more of a "problem" on this car than torque steer.

You will have tons of power going to the front wheels, just realize when you punch it sometimes the wheel may tug depending on traction.

[squidmotion]

as it has probably been said before...


263hp + 280lbft + FWD = torque steer... no way around it...


that said, i still find it pretty nifty how mazda has knocked it down a lot...

[GoFast]

im looking at the H&R it offer 1.5-2 in. drop will i need a camber kit ?

dropping that far i am going to go out on a limb and just say yes. you will also need new shocks/struts. your stockers will blow out even quicker with that kind of drop.

[bacarl]

I experience the same thing Rotus describes, but it got 10x worse when I installed a new wheel/tire package (18x8 with 235/40 Falken 452). Brown pants moments galore. One time was so bad, the car jerked severely towards the lane of traffic I was merging into and spooked an older guy in a Commander. He swerved and took out a Malibu. And all I did was gas it up an entrance ramp! One tire caught an asphalt patch and caused the car to sweve. (nailbyt)

Needless to say I don't run those tires anymore for daily driving.

[alexanderig]

so the drop will help eliminate soem torque steer ? and should i just go with the eibach pro kit for a less drop and avoid getting to much camber

[alexanderig]

if i do go with h&r what would be the best camber kit

[coololddude]

What torque steer? I just dont hammer it while eating!

[240ka]

so the drop will help eliminate soem torque steer ? and should i just go with the eibach pro kit for a less drop and avoid getting to much camber

since installing my springs. the tq steer is virtually gone. stock the tq steer is so strong you really have to hold on to the steering wheel pretty tight

[alexanderig]

but is there anyone having problems with blowing shocks ?

[08_MS3_GT]

i don't even notice the torque steer except in snow, oddly enough.

you get used to it. sometimes it's even fun. probably as close to riding a bull as i'll ever get.