2009 Ward's top 10 engines

[Alexsered]

The 2.3l DISI Turbo isn't on the list anymore, I am surprised by some on the list like the 5.7l hemi or the honda 3.5l SOHC.


Audi AG: 2.0L TFSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (A4 Avant)
BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (135i Coupe)
BMW AG: 3.0L DOHC I-6 Turbodiesel (335d)
Chrysler LLC: 5.7L Hemi OHV V-8 (Dodge Ram/Challenger R/T)
Ford Motor Co.: 2.5L DOHC I-4 HEV (Escape Hybrid)
General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)
Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)
Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd.: 4.6L DOHC V-8 (Genesis)
Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
Volkswagen AG: 2.0L SOHC I-4 Turbodiesel (Jetta TDI)


On a side note, what is mazda going to do with the 2.3L DISI motor? I havent seen it mentioned in any of it's future cars.

[ElGaspo]

a 6 liter overhead valve engine is one of the world's top 10?!? in the 21st century? this engine is a dinosaur, and it sucks down precious dino juice. what are these people smoking & where can i get some? (smoke)

[Donas64]

I think some of the DISI's issues might have kept it off (the seals etc) but not a bad list of engines.

[Kain]

a 6 liter overhead valve engine is one of the world's top 10?!? in the 21st century? this engine is a dinosaur, and it sucks down precious dino juice. what are these people smoking & where can i get some? (smoke)

I'd take tried-and-true anyday. Just because pushrods and leaf springs are older tech doesn't mean they don't perform well.

[fatti03msp]

how the hell is the 5.7 hemi on that list, that motor is garbage.

[Alexsered]

I'd take tried-and-true anyday. Just because pushrods and leaf springs are older tech doesn't mean they don't perform well.

true that, we actually agree on something kain. (thumb)

[ElGaspo]

I'd take tried-and-true anyday. Just because pushrods and leaf springs are older tech doesn't mean they don't perform well.


true dat. no wonder Formula 1 relies so heavily on ohead valves & leaf springs. who would want 19k rpm engines & carbon fiber, when you can have carburetors & solid rear axles eh? :rolleyes:

[Alexsered]

true dat. no wonder Formula 1 relies so heavily on ohead valves & leaf springs. who would want 19k rpm engines & carbon fiber, when you can have carburetors & solid rear axles eh? :rolleyes:

lol, don't formula one engines only really run one race with all of it's parts?

[fatti03msp]

FSDE should def. be on that list haha.

[Kain]

true dat. no wonder Formula 1 relies so heavily on ohead valves & leaf springs. who would want 19k rpm engines & carbon fiber, when you can have carburetors & solid rear axles eh? :rolleyes:

I lawl'd. By that rationale, open-wheel design should filter down to the consumer, too. I want to run negative-offset wheels without having to roll fenders, dammit!

[ElGaspo]

lol, don't formula one engines only really run one race with all of it's parts?

2 races. why, how many races does a NASCAR engine last? as a matter of fact, as long as we're talking outdated, wasteful technology, instead of at least using different parts on 1 car, i believe teams use a different car, each w/ its own suspension setup etc for each different track. how sane is that? instead of swapping springs & shocks, they build a car specifically for the 1 race of the yr on that track. 20 races, 20 cars...yee-haw! and let's not forget...once you get up to 4th gear [!] you leave it there for the rest of the race. racing at its finest it ain't (second)

[ElGaspo]

By that rationale, open-wheel design should filter down to the consumer, too. I want to run negative-offset wheels without having to roll fenders, dammit!


as a matter of fact, if your car has 4-valves and fuel injection you have F1 technology to thank. they were both originally developed for those cars. open wheel racing tech does indeed filter down- on good cars, that is. if things were up to FoMoCo and GM, we'd still be rolling on solid rear axles- like the stang still does...

[Kain]

as a matter of fact, if your car has 4-valves and fuel injection you have F1 technology to thank. they were both originally developed for those cars. open wheel racing tech does indeed filter down- on good cars, that is. if things were up to FoMoCo and GM, we'd still be rolling on solid rear axles- like the stang still does...

I'm just bustin' your and anyone else's balls who use the "well, dedicated race cars use it" argument to discount the benefits of holding on to "ancient" tech. Yes, I'm well aware of the trickle-down effect of technology from the race track to the street. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday, right?

[Alexsered]

as a matter of fact, if your car has 4-valves and fuel injection you have F1 technology to thank. they were both originally developed for those cars. open wheel racing tech does indeed filter down- on good cars, that is. if things were up to FoMoCo and GM, we'd still be rolling on solid rear axles- like the stang still does...

check out the video of TOP GEAR where Richard Hammond learns how to drive an F1 car. The show was okay, but the part where they talk about the car and engine themselves is insane. Like the engine has to be hooked up to an oil pump to keep the oil pumping and heated to a certain temperature or else the cylanders and crap will seize up and wont start. F1 is the craziest thing on wheels on earth, but those engines are strong and fragile at the same time if that makes any sense.

Anyway, I don't know that much about f1, but I did learn alot from that top gear show. Some of that technology might be ancient, but at least we know it works :)

[Donas64]

I'd take tried-and-true anyday. Just because pushrods and leaf springs are older tech doesn't mean they don't perform well.

Ergo: Corvette in all guises.

Pushrod V8 & leafsprings FTW!!!

[Young Roids]

I have lost confidence in WARDs top ten list ever since I found out the disi is not such a great motor quite a few are blowing up and proving unreliable.

[stockms3]

check out the video of TOP GEAR where Richard Hammond learns how to drive an F1 car. The show was okay, but the part where they talk about the car and engine themselves is insane. Like the engine has to be hooked up to an oil pump to keep the oil pumping and heated to a certain temperature or else the cylanders and crap will seize up and wont start. F1 is the craziest thing on wheels on earth, but those engines are strong and fragile at the same time if that makes any sense.

Anyway, I don't know that much about f1, but I did learn alot from that top gear show. Some of that technology might be ancient, but at least we know it works :)

I love F1 I wish my parents had the money to push me towards F1 racing when I was younger :(

[MicaSp33d]

I have lost confidence in WARDs top ten list ever since I found out the disi is not such a great motor quite a few are blowing up and proving unreliable.

yea, its unreliable because people mod it and it blows ...

i don't think its the engine's fault ...

[Alexsered]

I have lost confidence in WARDs top ten list ever since I found out the disi is not such a great motor quite a few are blowing up and proving unreliable.

I think the ratio of people blowing their motors to the people that are completely fine is probably 1 in 1000. And usually the people blowing their motors are modded pretty heavily. So in stock trim, the DISI is an awesome motor.

[Donas64]

what about the issue with the seals and smoking? Isn't that happening on stock motors? And if so, might that not cause the DISI to be left off the list?

[daonly1around]

lol, don't formula one engines only really run one race with all of it's parts?

nope, not any more, if they finish a race on a motor they have to run it a second race.... but after the second they can put a new one in

[Alexsered]

what about the issue with the seals and smoking? Isn't that happening on stock motors? And if so, might that not cause the DISI to be left off the list?

suprisingly, there was a thread for people with smoking turbo's and non smoking turbo's on here a few weeks ago, and there were alot more people without smoking turbos. 47,000 miles on mine and no issues.

[Super Unique]

I just hit 18k, no issues so far. Doesn't loose oil between changes, and not smoking at all. Stock except for cobb sri and short shifter.

[F430TECH]

check out the video of TOP GEAR where Richard Hammond learns how to drive an F1 car. The show was okay, but the part where they talk about the car and engine themselves is insane. Like the engine has to be hooked up to an oil pump to keep the oil pumping and heated to a certain temperature or else the cylanders and crap will seize up and wont start. F1 is the craziest thing on wheels on earth, but those engines are strong and fragile at the same time if that makes any sense.

Anyway, I don't know that much about f1, but I did learn alot from that top gear show. Some of that technology might be ancient, but at least we know it works :)

The customer F1 Cars (mostly schumi's old ones) are hooked up to a pumparound system and the oil is warmed for about an hour before they can even get in it. The sytems pre-check are like getting ready to fly a fighter jet. But up close and personal, which I have seen, F1 Cars ARE simply uhmazing. Made to do one thing very very well. Anytime engineering is pushed to its limits like that, it usually produces amazing and beautiful results, unlike 2009 cars which have been dumbed down be people who aren't engineers..and are therefore UGLY...anyway heres a nice pic for ogling...

http://www.msprotege.com/members/F430TECH/ResizedF1andFXX.jpg

[F430TECH]

I love F1 I wish my parents had the money to push me towards F1 racing when I was younger :(

Buy a shifter kart like me, closest thing to F1 as far as grip and acceleration most people get to experience...

[Donas64]

Buy a shifter kart like me, closest thing to F1 as far as grip and acceleration most people get to experience...

You mean the go carts I drove at the mini-golf course don't count?

[MicaSp33d]

what about the issue with the seals and smoking? Isn't that happening on stock motors? And if so, might that not cause the DISI to be left off the list?

i thought people with the smoking turbos was due to them (dealers included) using 5w20 oil, being too thin and getting pass the seals.

i read somewhere that someone had a smoking turbo, changed to 5w30 after putting 5w20 oil and it stopped smoke almost instantly. Probably why the dealer diagnosed it as a bad seal because oil was getting through.

[CrazyT]

unlike 2009 cars which have been dumbed down be people who aren't engineers..and are therefore UGLY...

Not to mention that there is no Honda for 2009, Ferrari threatening, no chance for smaller teams to compete with drastic regulation changing every year, and of course, no North America race at all. 2008 was a bad year for F1 management. Hopefully 2009 can be as exciting.

Anyway, now that I'm WAY off topic.......

[CosmoMS3]

as a matter of fact, if your car has 4-valves and fuel injection you have F1 technology to thank. they were both originally developed for those cars. open wheel racing tech does indeed filter down- on good cars, that is. if things were up to FoMoCo and GM, we'd still be rolling on solid rear axles- like the stang still does...

I agree. If there was no outside US pressure with other companies selling better cars, the only difference is US models from decade to decade would be LARGER radio controls. Where is no competition in US auto industry there is zero improvement. Take a look at the van Ford Econoline, same exact van for 25 years. I cannot believe as well how the school buses are made - I bet they will look the same 50 years from now.

[stockms3]

I agree. If there was no outside US pressure with other companies selling better cars, the only difference is US models from decade to decade would be LARGER radio controls. Where is no competition in US auto industry there is zero improvement. Take a look at the van Ford Econoline, same exact van for 25 years. I cannot believe as well how the school buses are made - I bet they will look the same 50 years from now.

12 years ago back when i was in poland i always wanted to ride in the yellow american school bus LOL

[speed3se-r]

That list is overrated and seems to be pretty much a selling gimmick now....

[robin2660]

what about the issue with the seals and smoking? Isn't that happening on stock motors? And if so, might that not cause the DISI to be left off the list?

Yeah, well, the inclusion in Wards list does not specify a turbo, and the DISI exists in various forms without it. Ergo, the turbo does not make the motor.

[speed3se-r]

Yeah, well, the inclusion in Wards list does not specify a turbo, and the DISI exists in various forms without it. Ergo, the turbo does not make the motor.


acutally, it does specify the turbocharged 2.3L DISI engine on the list (06-08).

[robin2660]

acutally, it does specify the turbocharged 2.3L DISI engine on the list (06-08).

Woops!

Is there a foot-in-mouth smilie?

[jomil91]

WOW! Nissans VQ engine is not there anymore.. :(!!!