new pictures like a promise(blown engine)

[blackmica08]

like i said here are the pics i promise look at the piston pin and fragment of the aluminun block, also look at the blown speed3 engines i told you guys with less than 5000 miles, and last look at my car in the lift waiting for the new engine. happy now doubters.

[TheDoc]

Let me first say, I'm not going to be combative... in fact, I will probably make this post and never reply again...

The pictures do not tell enough of the story. I would LOVE to see the connecting rod. Did they find the clip? If your pin had actually fallen out, it would be severely damaged. The most damaged part of your pin looks to be right where the connecting rod sits. If I had to guess... I'd say the connecting rod came apart... but I don't know. I am legitimately curious to see more.

Secondly, I work in the automotive service industry. I buy about 40 new vehicles per year. When an engine blows, it's not the dealer's choice about who gets covered under warranty. The engine is pulled and analyzed by corporate representatives. They will make a clone copy of your ECM and send that out to Mazda. They will also send accompanying pictures. If you truly believe that your car with a big turbo and chopped up ECU harness isn't going to be picked up on by people who's job it is TO find stuff like that.. you're being very foolish.

I don't doubt that they'll go ahead and do the work- I'd just get everything in order because you're going to get stuck with a bill at the end of it.

I wish you luck, but I don't think you stand a chance- regardless of how good you are in with your dealer.

[Olestra]

^ouch.

License plate and VIN pls or I call bs. j/k.

Good luck with everything. They may have done the tear down without any notice of bill but if they do find out that your warranty doesn't hold, they may stick you with the bill for tear down and then ask if you want to pay additional for a new engine+labour.

[blackmica08]

Let me first say, I'm not going to be combative... in fact, I will probably make this post and never reply again...

The pictures do not tell enough of the story. I would LOVE to see the connecting rod. Did they find the clip? If your pin had actually fallen out, it would be severely damaged. The most damaged part of your pin looks to be right where the connecting rod sits. If I had to guess... I'd say the connecting rod came apart... but I don't know. I am legitimately curious to see more.

Secondly, I work in the automotive service industry. I buy about 40 new vehicles per year. When an engine blows, it's not the dealer's choice about who gets covered under warranty. The engine is pulled and analyzed by corporate representatives. They will make a clone copy of your ECM and send that out to Mazda as well. As well as accompanying pictures. If you truly believe that your car with a big turbo and chopped up ECU harness isn't going to be picked up on by people who's job it is TO find stuff like that.. you're being very foolish.

I don't doubt that they'll go ahead and do the work- I'd just get everything in order because you're going to get stuck with a bill at the end of it.

I wish you luck, but I don't think you stand a chance- regardless of how good you are in with your dealer.

those two engines on the floor you see on the pictures are going to be disposed, mazda are notasking for a return neither are they asking for mine, im not going to keep fighting and explaining all of you who think that know everything there is to know, whatever you said from this point foward really it doesnt bother me anymore.

[NYSP33D3]

BLACK what dealership did you bring it to?

[TheDoc]

those two engines on the floor you see on the pictures are going to be disposed, mazda are notasking for a return neither are they asking for mine, im not going to keep fighting and explaining all of you who think that know everything there is to know, whatever you said from this point foward really it doesnt bother me anymore.

Trust me, I don't want to see you pay- I'm just speaking from experience, and that's not how this game works. I sincerely wish you luck.

[jam_asian85]

BLACK what dealership did you bring it to?

Send him a PM.

[jbiird317]

well im gonna subscribe to this thread to combat the flames. blackmica08 - i think you are being overly sensitive now, TheDoc seems to make a good point and have some good questions, im curious to know the answers as well.

[Element]

We have the same tires!

[MSP2024]

fuck that shit up haha thought i was looking at another MSP for a min hahahah

[blackmica08]

well im gonna subscribe to this thread to combat the flames. blackmica08 - i think you are being overly sensitive now, TheDoc seems to make a good point and have some good questions, im curious to know the answers as well.

really im not i decided already i was going to keep the car and be more carefull next time, but man what else can i say, i have nothing else to say or prove, my point is those engine you saw on the pic were engines that blew as well as mine and mazda never asked for them to be send back to inspect anything, i was talking to my tech and he said that probably he is going to be the one tearing that block open to check what went wrong and that techline never requested that engine, is that too hard to accept or some of you really want for me to get screw, really i dont know men. you tell me.

[DaleNixon]

Subbin' for interest.

[jbiird317]

really im not i decided already i was going to keep the car and be more carefull next time, but man what else can i say, i have nothing else to say or prove, my point is those engine you saw on the pic were engines that blew as well as mine and mazda never asked for them to be send back to inspect anything, i was talking to my tech and he said that probably he is going to be the one tearing that block open to check what went wrong and that techline never requested that engine, is that too hard to accept or some of you really want for me to get screw, really i dont know men. you tell me.

oh i wasnt talking about the warranty stuff, that is your problem. i was talking about the actual engine failure. Like did the tech have a little better idea on what the weak point was during the tear down? My engine knowledge isnt extensive but i'm definitely curious for more details besides, "the pin fell out"

[blackmica08]

oh i wasnt talking about the warranty stuff, that is your problem. i was talking about the actual engine failure. Like did the tech have a little better idea on what the weak point was during the tear down? My engine knowledge isnt extensive but i'm definitely curious for more details besides, "the pin fell out"

he hasnt taken the engine off the car yet, he also wants to know what went wrong so as soon as the new engine arrive hopefully tomorrow and he put the new one in he will open it and see what did what, i will post pictures of the blown engine when he opens it. im not looking for symphaty here and i know i went off by blaming the car for what happened and calling it a pos but in reality i love the speed3, i posted what happened just to let the members here know. i really aprreciated all of you for taking interest and read the post, hopefully it has a happy end.

[F430TECH]

Wonder if the two blown engines are for sale...

Headwork and cams anybody?

[SuperStretch18]

Wonder if the two blown engines are for sale...

Headwork and cams anybody?

I was thinking the EXACT same thing. (2thumbs)

[F430TECH]

Great Minds think alike...or insane ones...

Some Cosworth CAMS with a full PNP and ferrea sodium filled dished turbo intake valves and dished sodium filled inconel exhaust valves

I am also researching into into Cosworths BILLET throttle body will work with our Intake manifold...

Yummy..

http://www.cosworthusa.com/store/pc/catalog/ydthrottle_97_general.jpg

[F430TECH]

Their freakin cams for the 2.3 are sooo cheap...287.00 a piece

[TropicalDelight]

really im not i decided already i was going to keep the car and be more carefull next time, but man what else can i say, i have nothing else to say or prove, my point is those engine you saw on the pic were engines that blew as well as mine and mazda never asked for them to be send back to inspect anything, i was talking to my tech and he said that probably he is going to be the one tearing that block open to check what went wrong and that techline never requested that engine, is that too hard to accept or some of you really want for me to get screw, really i dont know men. you tell me.

lol, what the dealer is telling you is funny....because i know people that work for mazda. The techs at the dealer don't take the engines apart, and all engines are sent back to mazda if its under warranty. They may not be asking for it now, but eventually they will want it. Trust me on that.

If the dealer tech tears down the engine, and mazda asks for it back and they get it back all fucked up, the dealer will get charged back, and probably then send you a bill.

Warranty parts are kept at the dealer until the claim goes through to mazda which can take a few weeks. They review every claim and then decide what they want back, I'm SURE an engine will be called back, especially on a MS3.

Trust me on this...you may be all happy now, but it may turn out bad for both you and your dealer later on.

[F430TECH]

damn the small print...

Note: Camshafts listed are not compatible with Mazda variable cam timing feature. Application power levels listed show the potential of the camshaft with suitable performance engine modifications.

[J-Villa]

I just wish black mica would use some more periods, commas, and maybe a little of the grammar he learned in 5th grade. I think it's more of the fact no one can understand what he is trying to say that is causing people to ask him soo many questions.

Also... Blackmica... can you post up a picture of your rods, maybe get more then just a picture of two engines in your dealers service area (you said your engine was still in the car, correct?). It's not that I don't believe you blew your engine, nor do I care how you blew it (giggle).... I just want to know what broke inside the engine and maybe get a picture of the cylinder bore that it happened in. If not for the forum, atleast take the pictures for your own records incase something happens in the future.

[SPEEDYHANS]

wow thats bad

[dkswim]

probably send the block back to mazda japan for evaluation and root cause...

[Olestra]

I see how you're frustrated that people are doubted you blackmica but do you understand how its hard to believe that your dealer will get paid out several thousand dollars for three seperate MS3 engines without being asked any questions by corporate Mazda?
For all corporate knows, the dealer could be filing false claims and taking in the cash (not saying they are so don't flame me).

Everything seems too good to be true and usually it is. Hope you understand other ppl's point of view.

[pdqgp]

BLACK what dealership did you bring it to?

wouldn't be too hard to figure out...

Ocean Mazda
Potamkin Mazda

are both close.

[blackmica08]

I just wish black mica would use some more periods, commas, and maybe a little of the grammar he learned in 5th grade. I think it's more of the fact no one can understand what he is trying to say that is causing people to ask him soo many questions.

Also... Blackmica... can you post up a picture of your rods, maybe get more then just a picture of two engines in your dealers service area (you said your engine was still in the car, correct?). It's not that I don't believe you blew your engine, nor do I care how you blew it (giggle).... I just want to know what broke inside the engine and maybe get a picture of the cylinder bore that it happened in. If not for the forum, atleast take the pictures for your own records incase something happens in the future.

maybe if you read right like they taught you in 2nd grade you will find out that the engine its still mounted on the car, but i guess that will be asking to much out of you.

[blackmica08]

I see how you're frustrated that people are doubted you blackmica but do you understand how its hard to believe that your dealer will get paid out several thousand dollars for three seperate MS3 engines without being asked any questions by corporate Mazda?
For all corporate knows, the dealer could be filing false claims and taking in the cash (not saying they are so don't flame me).

Everything seems too good to be true and usually it is. Hope you understand other ppl's point of view.


lets say they do ask for the blown engine and my dealer ship it back to then, how are they going find out that i had an aftermarket turbo and all that shit i had on the car by just opening the block.

[J-Villa]

maybe if you read right like they taught you in 2nd grade you will find out that the engine its still mounted on the car, but i guess that will be asking to much out of you.

You are just trying to start stuff man, stop being soo sensitive. Proof read what you type before posting it also... It usually helps.

but anyways...

Your engine is still in your car?

Then what does the picture of the two engine blocks have to do with anything besides the whole shipping back blah blah blah

I'm more intrested in how you blew your motor with pictures of YOUR motor and inside the cylinder bores. I like to examine all the blown engine threads I come across, yet yours has been the most.... (deadhorse

[blackmica08]

You are just trying to start stuff man, stop being soo sensitive. Proof read what you type before posting it also... It usually helps.

but anyways...

Your engine is still in your car?

Then what does the picture of the two engine blocks have to do with anything besides the whole shipping back blah blah blah

I'm more intrested in how you blew your motor with pictures of YOUR motor and inside the cylinder bores. I like to examine all the blown engine threads I come across, yet yours has been the most.... (deadhorse

because i told some members of this forum that there were two blown engine with less than 5000 miles stock at the dealer, so i told these guys i was going to post pictures of both of them. those two engines that i took pictures of had been there for at least 2 months now. both of them had a problem with cylinder 4, either way im keeping my car. i keep telling these guys that mazda told the dealer to dispose of the engines, they dont want the engines back, in what other language should i explain it, thats the point im trying to get across, but everytime someone new comes with their own theories.as soon as they tear open my engine i will post pictures, maybe then they will believe me.

[Speed3Rookie]

Man...you can't win.
If I were in your shoes I would have stopped replying to these posts after the first 5 replies.
It's just human nature...some ppl are just jealous and whatever you do or say you will not prevail.
Good luck mang...I'm rooting for ya!

Peace

[blackmica08]

Man...you can't win.
If I were in your shoes I would have stopped replying to these posts after the first 5 replies.
It's just human nature...some ppl are just jealous and whatever you do or say you will not prevail.
Good luck mang...I'm rooting for ya!

Peace

im telling you man like you said is a not win situation here. thanks brother.

[jbiird317]

ok ok ok lets chill out a little bit in here

[J-Villa]

i'm done.

I just want to see pictures of the blown motor that was in the OP's car... not motors from around his dealers service area.

[jbiird317]

well i wanna see the pictures of his motor too, but since he says its still on the car that may be kinda tough.

[BillTheCat]

All warranty talk aside, I'd love to see the pics of the engine internals, along with any diagnosis that might be done, just for information's sake. If the OP can priovide that later, it might be a great asset to some folks, and I'd certainly appreciate it.

Thanks for the pics you have provided, by the way.

[714ms3]

because i told some members of this forum that there were two blown engine with less than 5000 miles stock at the dealer, so i told these guys i was going to post pictures of both of them. those two engines that i took pictures of had been there for at least 2 months now. both of them had a problem with cylinder 4.

How do we know how many miles they have on them just from the pics alone? They could be brand new motors, or they could have 45,000 miles on them for all we know. Lets stick to the pertinent information here (meaning information relative to the thread and your personal situation). Most people merely want to see some pics of your actual blown engine, not some "said" blown engines that are apparently lying around the dealership.
Did you ever wonder why they still have them sitting around if they have already been replaced? Perhaps a Mazda rep is coming to take a look.
In regards to your comment about how will Mazda know that you had a bigger turbo in there; simply they will pull your ECU, asses some of the information on the maps, and see the higher boost numbers = you fucked, and that is not a situation I would like to see you in.

[F430TECH]

I just wish black mica would use some more periods, commas, and maybe a little of the grammar he learned in 5th grade. I think it's more of the fact no one can understand what he is trying to say that is causing people to ask him soo many questions.

I almost said something like that, I dont think he is from America though, so I restrained...thanks!! Now you look like the a-hole(bowdown)

[FMOS Racing]

Getting the wrist pin out of a piston in an assembled engine simply isn't going to happen unless something else failed first.

Piston seized in the bore near the top of the stroke due to heat and the rod tore the pin out? Bent rod pulled the piston out of the bottom of the bore?

Whatever the case, that little hole on the outside of the block is just a window so you can get a peek at the damage that's on the inside!

[mckraut]

So will the dealer be swapping out your mods from the old engine to the new one for you?

[blackmica08]

I almost said something like that, I dont think he is from America though, so I restrained...thanks!! Now you look like the a-hole(bowdown)

what does not being from america has to do with anything, and when you referr to america does that mean then im from the eastern hemisphere then. last time i checked we got north, south, and central america, just in case you forgot geography. what a brilliant comment out of you.

[blackmica08]

How do we know how many miles they have on them just from the pics alone? They could be brand new motors, or they could have 45,000 miles on them for all we know. Lets stick to the pertinent information here (meaning information relative to the thread and your personal situation). Most people merely want to see some pics of your actual blown engine, not some "said" blown engines that are apparently lying around the dealership.
Did you ever wonder why they still have them sitting around if they have already been replaced? Perhaps a Mazda rep is coming to take a look.
In regards to your comment about how will Mazda know that you had a bigger turbo in there; simply they will pull your ECU, asses some of the information on the maps, and see the higher boost numbers = you fucked, and that is not a situation I would like to see you in.

dont fucking ask me anymore stupids question, when an engine is blown as mine or as the one you see on the pictures mazda dont want them as per my tech guy, how many freaking times do i have to say that mazda dont want them engines, they will be disposed of, and as per mine the thech will open it and check what went wrong, btw no one is pulling my ecu to check anythig because there is no mazda rep coming, let me repeat it for you einstein, NO MAZDA REP IS COMING, THERE IS NOBODY COMING, NADA, ZERO, KISS IT GOODBYE, GET IT NOW, NOBODYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

[jbiird317]

i think blackmica08 is actually a spy from mazda. he is trying to convince everyone that mazda doesnt care about mods and wont check up on stuff afterwards, just blindly pay warranty work. Quick! Get the torches and pitchforks! traitor!!!!

[Sport6]

Won't they want to take the turbo with the motor? Seems to me that if a motor came apart, there's a possibility of debris going into the turbo on the hot side? I wouldn't think they would risk putting it back together and having a blown turbo anyway so they would probably swap that with the motor, no?

Also meaning you should check the condition of your bigger turbo.

[jam_asian85]

i think blackmica08 is actually a spy from mazda. he is trying to convince everyone that mazda doesnt care about mods and wont check up on stuff afterwards, just blindly pay warranty work. Quick! Get the torches and pitchforks! traitor!!!!

^^^ lol, nah he's a kool dude. Haven't stopped by the dealership to see the car though, too busy with school

[jbiird317]

listen, this isnt MazdaForums America, people post here from all over the world. If you cant handle a little bad english every now and then then feel free to GTFO

Perhaps that wasnt very sensitive of me, but you're just being an ass, no one likes the grammar police. It's just not necessary to call someone out like that, lets focus this thread on the matter at hand.

[shane02pro5]

Can't we all just get along!! You know some good mazda bonding!
(group)


He is definately one of the lucky ones getting things taken care of and I think we all learn from experience. This is not your typical Mazda warranty thread!

[jbiird317]

OK - youre right. Both of you. Youre both being D-bags. And so am I. but since this thread has been the source of some controversy the last couple days im gonna let it go. Im curious to see how this warranty situation plays out and what the cause of the failure was, but pretty soon no one will get to know cuz im gonna have to close this thread. So lets just drop the my dick is bigger than urs bullshit and get back on topic

[jam_asian85]

Quick question, are you going to re-install all your mods w/ the new engine or are you going to build it first?

[blackmica08]

Quick question, are you going to re-install all your mods w/ the new engine or are you going to build it first?

lol, im reading your thoughts, im not selling you anything lol, im putting everything back but i wil try to find a better tunning.

[Sport6]

So do they or do they not replace the stock turbo with a engine replacement?

I think my post got lost in everyone's bitching.

[mckraut]

My question never got answered either. Is the dealer going to take off all of your mods and put them on the new engine for you?

[blackmica08]

So do they or do they not replace the stock turbo with a engine replacement?

I think my post got lost in everyone's bitching.


sorry man, it depends i usually go by the dealer every other day to shoot the shit with my a few people i know there even if my car is working fine, on one of those ocassion they were replacing a blown engine but they were not replacing the turbo of that same engine, it all depends if something went into the turbo and caused it to fail. In my case my thech told me that before he assembles everything back together he is checking the exhaust manifold for little fragments that might have gone in.

[jam_asian85]

lol, im reading your thoughts, im not selling you anything lol, im putting everything back but i wil try to find a better tunning.

HAHAH nah I wasn't thinkin about that. Are you going to be looking into the standback for the better tune?

[blackmica08]

HAHAH nah I wasn't thinkin about that. Are you going to be looking into the standback for the better tune?

man whatever prevents my engine from going boom boom boom, hey i have a turboxs fuel cut defender that i never even open the box, interested?

[jam_asian85]

HAHAHA the one thing you got for sale I don't need :P

[SPEEDYHANS]

aww mwn i was lookinf to get ur D/P and ur R/P lol geuss not lol J/K. im guessin ur not going to make it to the meet on the 14th then

[Betelgeuse]

Just realized the op is from good ole Miami. A few months back I was getting an oil change at Ocean Mazda and the mechanic told me he was putting a big turbo in a car like mine, same color and everything. He took some pics and even showed the car off outside in the parking lot after taking it for a spin. I wonder if we're talking about the same car here, lolz. Anyway good luck and definitely post some pics when they take it apart.

[blackmica08]

Just realized the op is from good ole Miami. A few months back I was getting an oil change at Ocean Mazda and the mechanic told me he was putting a big turbo in a car like mine, same color and everything. He took some pics and even showed the car off outside in the parking lot after taking it for a spin. I wonder if we're talking about the same car here, lolz. Anyway good luck and definitely post some pics when they take it apart.

no problem man, see you at the ocean, lol

[SPEEDYHANS]

yea i love going to ocean

[Speed3Rookie]

listen, this isnt MazdaForums America, people post here from all over the world. If you cant handle a little bad english every now and then then feel free to GTFO

Perhaps that wasnt very sensitive of me, but you're just being an ass, no one likes the grammar police. It's just not necessary to call someone out like that, lets focus this thread on the matter at hand.

Well said.....

[kendon]

i would like much a visssit bye the gamer police?!

When will an English professor join the forum?

To be clear though, Ford recently sold all of its shares of Mazda, correct? I am assuming that when this took place, if in fact it did, the Ford service attitude went out the door as well. This is my explanation for the engine replacement.
(kiss) <------ that's me kissing this thread and making it all better.

[Reyan]

so when your getting your car back.

[blackmica08]

so when your getting your car back.

as soon as the new engine arrive.

[RC08MS3]

didnt the DISI 2.3 get rated one of the top 10 motors for how many years? and still is i believe..... why would something like that happen without some kind of abuse? im a mazda rookie that just got my MS3, but ive blown up cars one to many times, and they were from getting the piss run out of them, not from factory engineering error or poor build..... I take the side its from your mods, not from the MS3 being a POS, like you stated in your first Thread.

[mattj3636]

+1.

just because u werent giving it boost when it blew, doesnt mean when u were giving it boost it wasnt weakening the internals.

its not even a question on only our cars, if u wanna go bigger turbo, on any car, u gotta build internals man

[blackmica08]

didnt the DISI 2.3 get rated one of the top 10 motors for how many years? and still is i believe..... why would something like that happen without some kind of abuse? im a mazda rookie that just got my MS3, but ive blown up cars one to many times, and they were from getting the piss run out of them, not from factory engineering error or poor build..... I take the side its from your mods, not from the MS3 being a POS, like you stated in your first Thread.


did you read what i said later in thread,that i refrained myself from saying the ms3 is a pos and, that i was going to keep this car and that i really enjoy it, but not only ms3 with heavy or slighty mods were blowing up but also some stocks ms3 are blowing up, people should read the whole thread, this one and the last one before making a statement like this, and for your records i do not beat on my car, neither do i abuse it.

[mattj3636]

send me link to a thread of a COMPLETELY stock ms3 blowing its engine with NORMAL driving, obviously downshifting into 2nd on highway by accident is enough to blow a stock engine. so normal driving, lemme see a thread ?

[jam_asian85]

you do know that not everyone with a MS3 is on a forum right?

[mattj3636]

well yeah obv, okay il change my request. however he found out about stock ms3s blowing engines while not making a driving error, id like to kno too. i just figured he found them on the forums

[jam_asian85]

Aaaaaaaah ok. Well I get my car serviced at the same dealership as he does, so I'll just stop by and ask either the service advisor or the speed tech what happened to the stock cosmic blue speed.

[///M Compact]

I still call BS; no way is Mazda replacing three engines-one modded with a bad tune-without even looking at the engines.
Question: Does anybody know of any other Mazdaspeed dealer in the US with 2-3 blown engines sitting on the shop floor?

[jazzman]

i would like much a visssit bye the gamer police?!

When will an English professor join the forum?

To be clear though, Ford recently sold all of its shares of Mazda, correct? I am assuming that when this took place, if in fact it did, the Ford service attitude went out the door as well. This is my explanation for the engine replacement.
(kiss) <------ that's me kissing this thread and making it all better.

Didn't sell all it's shares see below, Ford is still the largest holder of Mazda shares...

"Ford is to sell about two-thirds of its 33.4 per cent stake for around $538m to Mazda and more than 20 undisclosed Mazda business partners.

Slowing auto sales and the global financial crisis have sent shares of Ford plunging and led to a worse-than-expected $2.98bn operating loss in the latest quarter.

But it will remain the Japanese car maker's biggest shareholder with a 13.8 per cent stake."

[Demo]

Geez, you guys really need to give it a rest!

For those who happen to just "jump" into the thread talking non-sense, make sure you get your facts correct before accusing others. First, start by reading his previous thread...http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123726958

Its all "he said, she said"

So, IF or WHEN he provides distinctive evidence of his engine being replaced, the results will clearly show what happens to a blown modified engine under warranty...

I would like to see better pictures of the engine internals and I'm sure others would too!

[robin2660]

I don't know what happened here (seems no one does) yet but I found this:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2536158/5
which, if you scroll a little more than half way down - patience, lots of pics - you'll see where the piston snapped in half at the pin, which would probably free it, no?

Excellent photo documentary from this guy.

[m5rMS3]

Didn't sell all it's shares see below, Ford is still the largest holder of Mazda shares...

"Ford is to sell about two-thirds of its 33.4 per cent stake for around $538m to Mazda and more than 20 undisclosed Mazda business partners.

Slowing auto sales and the global financial crisis have sent shares of Ford plunging and led to a worse-than-expected $2.98bn operating loss in the latest quarter.

But it will remain the Japanese car maker's biggest shareholder with a 13.8 per cent stake."


33.4% is a controlling share of a Japanese company, 13.8% is not. Now that Ford doesn't have a controlling share any more they don't call the shots. They will still have a lot of influence with a 13.8% share, the largest of any single investor, but it will no longer be what Ford says goes.

[Sport6]

I don't know what happened here (seems no one does) yet but I found this:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2536158/5
which, if you scroll a little more than half way down - patience, lots of pics - you'll see where the piston snapped in half at the pin, which would probably free it, no?

Excellent photo documentary from this guy.

Yeah that what I was thinking must have happened. Nice find.