F*** the GT3076R

[LV Tunerz]

i installed everything , including the corksport FMIC and im getting no boost what so ever , this is f***ing gay, if anyone would know why plz let me know and also if this corksport BS is the reason please let me know and ill trade the corksport for the stock TMIC + a little bit of cash !!!!! HELPPPPPPPPPPPPP, i dont have any cat or mufflers on this car , would that be a reason and also my MAF if thats going backwards would that cause it not to create boost ???

[Metallic36]

Umm.. and you have everything connected correctly?

[Dr. D]

i dont see the corksport being the problem... check and re-check all vacuum lines.

[KZL_99ES]

...this is f***ing gay...

please don't say this, there are many other words that are less offensive to others.

thanks


and, it NEVER hurts to double check your connections!

[mdogg]

here are the pics , i will load vids soon , its cold here and dont have time right now sorry but it runs really nice
what happened to "runs really nice"?

either you fucked up the installation(most likely) or you bought a bad turbo (sometimes it does happen)

[YelloP5]

Double check the WG vacuum lines. make sure the turbo spins freely

[808MP5]

I love the gt3076rs

Check all connections and vac lines. If your wastesgate is stuck open for some reason you can check that by looking into the compressor side and see if it's even spinning

What wastegate are you running because I'm sure it's external and what kind of boost controller

[Igve2shtz]

Do you have the right MAF on the Corksport? I remember people having the original 3.0" MAF and the car sucking so Corksport came up with a 2.5" replacement

[bova80]

that wouldn't cause the car to not boost right. no boost equals something hooked up wrong with solenoid, wastegate stuck open, or worse bad turbo. even a car with a leak would make boost, unless it was huge.

[LV Tunerz]

im sorry about my few choice words im very sorry , well come to find out my now old friend went about and started messing with my motor , and i found alot of things that were disconnected and cut about . Ill have more info sooner then later lol

[MAZDA_SPEED]

cut?? 0_0

[maestro]

Always best to jump to conclusions before double checking the work done.

(poke)

[CorkSport]

Give us a call! 360 260 2675, we are on the telephones from 9am PST to 6 pm PST monday through friday.

Derrick

[Gitt24_84]

please don't say this, there are many other words that are less offensive to others.

thanks


and, it NEVER hurts to double check your connections!

Seriously? Get a life dude. It's a free country. Adapt to who's around you. If you don't like it, ignore it. Better yet get off the internet.

If only you had a jump to conclusions mat. You see, it's a mat with a bunch of conclusions that you can jump to.

[Dr. D]

now now kids...

[Dr. D]

hey vegas how you makin out champ???

[LV Tunerz]

im talking with corksport right now , i tried talking with ATP at first but they kept hanging up on me and didnt want to help me thru my issues , which piss me off . So i got corksports number and called them up they are as I speak helping me out !

[LV Tunerz]

right now we are at the wastegate fucking up

[Dr. D]

damn dude well good luck and keep us posted... IMO just do a custom EWG. as of right now i think that is the best route for those turbos...

[LV Tunerz]

Ewg ? ?????

[Dr. D]

External Waste Gate as opposed to the Internal Waste Gate provided with the ATP turbo.

[andre0121]

external wastegate.... dude those trubos have crazy creep unless you port it, and still creep exist. if you creep to much you blow. ewg ftw

[andre0121]

lol u beat me d

[LV Tunerz]

so you are saying that i would have to get a external wastegate or my car will blow ???? I hope not i have already spent so much time and money on this car

[andre0121]

lol no dude only thing is you have to watch out for the boost creep those turbos have. the reason they creep is because of their iwg setup but if you weld it shut and run ewg no more creep. Just as an example i installed my standback today and creeped to 28 on my stocker somehow n saw 7 degrees of knock right away....thats not good

[LV Tunerz]

omfg great well how about this , someone please type in what i need to buy so that i can buy it now and go ZOOM ZOOM BOOM please . I dont want to be a part of that forum also LOL

[Dr. D]

lol u beat me d

(fuoops)

[bova80]

don't you think you should have researched all this before installing? you need to either port the wastegate or get an external wastegate to prevent boost creep. if you start boosting and you see your boost climb with rpms then thats boost creep.

[LV Tunerz]

yes i did research this , im not stupid , it just pisses me off when they say straight drop in , and then down the road ive now spent 3K on top of the turbo , this is F***ing BS , sorry im not in the best moods right now . So someone Please PM ME WITH WHAT I NOW NEED NUMBERED PLEASE AND I WILL MAKE A PURCHASE FOR THOSE PARTS THANK YOU

[mdogg]

don't you think you should have researched all this before installing? you need to either port the wastegate or get an external wastegate to prevent boost creep. if you start boosting and you see your boost climb with rpms then thats boost creep.
that's exactly what it seems like.... couldn't agree more!

yes i did research this , im not stupid , it just pisses me off when they say straight drop in , and then down the road ive now spent 3K on top of the turbo , this is F***ing BS , sorry im not in the best moods right now . So someone Please PM ME WITH WHAT I NOW NEED NUMBERED PLEASE AND I WILL MAKE A PURCHASE FOR THOSE PARTS THANK YOU
and this response completely reinforces that thought.... if you had researched, you would have seen the boost creep issues with the ATP turbos that have the internal WG. It didn't just happen. And now that you mention it, there are actually quite a few people that keeps saying over and over and over that the ATP turbos, despite the "bolt-on" description, ARE NOT TRULY BOLT-ONS.

mazdaspeed forums.org - 'nuff said

[LV Tunerz]

so then i was im sorry yall but im going to say it once , so i was FUCKED over ????

[MS6mike]

my best advise is for you to get rib off the gt3076

[BoostedSpd6]

no turbo swap is just a drop in kit.. and stop complaining about how uve spent 3k on it.. some of the guys on here like whoosh for instence have spent way more..and countless hours on their cars. u shouldve also put in the motor internals before doing any of this because ur just going to have to take it all apart again anyways.. plan ahead.

[LV Tunerz]

get rid of ??? wtf why

[MS6mike]

big story... its not the turbo for this car... get rib off the gt3076 or do as boostedspd6 says.... get internals!

[BoostedSpd6]

my best advise is for you to get rib off the gt3076

i dont think he has to get rid of it i think he just needs to check everything out and put in an EWG,rods,pistons, and go from there.. and quit crying about it.

[LV Tunerz]

wow i love it this is just like any other forum , i try and do something good and now i cant because everyone is telling me do this do that , i dont know wtf to do and yes i am going to be doing my internals also , i just need a car to get my ass to work right now thats all , im trying to get my car back and forth to work , im not trying to run the 1/4 everyday and set records

[MS6mike]

I tell you not to do it because i did IT! and my car blew.... simple as that but the car going BOOM is not my concern because i new people in mazda who gave me a new motor and a bunch of parts free.... but it is the fact that that turbo starts making power way ahead on the power band.. you wont be satisfied on how fast the car is.... You will feel the car faster but it wont be faster..... the gt3076 its not the turbo for this car is just to big for the application... and get the internals before the turbo not after... unless you can afford to blow you engine !

[BoostedSpd6]

wow i love it this is just like any other forum , i try and do something good and now i cant because everyone is telling me do this do that , i dont know wtf to do and yes i am going to be doing my internals also , i just need a car to get my ass to work right now thats all , im trying to get my car back and forth to work , im not trying to run the 1/4 everyday and set records

SO THIS IS A DAILY DRIVER!!!! that ur throwing this much money into and time,mods.. that much boost isnt necessarily for daily driving u shouldve gotten the 3071r or the smaller 28( dont know the exact name for it).

[motocrosser614]

wow i love it this is just like any other forum , i try and do something good and now i cant because everyone is telling me do this do that , i dont know wtf to do and yes i am going to be doing my internals also , i just need a car to get my ass to work right now thats all , im trying to get my car back and forth to work , im not trying to run the 1/4 everyday and set records


Do you have a dashawk or a tuning solution?Did you buy the car new? Do u have a warranty? Who the Fuck installed all this shit and didnt know a damn thing about turbos? Depending on the answers to the above questions will let me know where to tell u to go after that.

As for ur situation now, take it to a tuning shop it sounds as if it just doesnt boost but runs?(you still really havent said what exactly the car is doing?) boost, a/f's? Take it to a professional instead of crying read a book in this case a phonebook to # of a tuning shop

[BoostedSpd6]

heres a silly question that u shouldve also bought before putting in the FMIC..do you have the hpf pump? that can handle the amount of fuel that the 3076r needs to run efficently

[motocrosser614]

i still have seen no tuning solution? Did you think all your different brand parts would work together perfect to make the fastest LV_TUNRZ MS3 FTW!!!!!

[BoostedSpd6]

i still have seen no tuning solution? Did you think all your different brand parts would work together perfect to make the fastest LV_TUNRZ MS3 FTW!!!!!

i believe he did.this is him now(bang)

[bova80]

i think you need to go to the "OTHER" forums and read up. this forum doesn't get a lot of traffic in this section so you aren't goign to have all the hard facts you will on the other forums. you aren't the first person to have this turbo so i would follow in others footsteps.

[BoostedSpd6]

(iagree) and then once u get it all working and figured out we can all have some (drinks)

[mdogg]

1. don't listen to MS6mike. He blew his motor, blames it on the car, and he gave up on it.
2. don't listen to BoostedSpd6. he doesn't know anything. long story short - he said he did a modification that was straightforward and ended up costing a few guys a considerable amount of money to correct it. it only worked for one guy in the end. as of now, we are still waiting on his write-up of the mod.... lol
3. listen to bova80. go to other forums and sign up
4. read all you can on those forums without posting stupid comments like "how do i swap turbos?" absorb the information. if you can't put it together, you shouldn't be modding.

[LV Tunerz]

alright thanks alot mdogg i will do that , as for this thread yall can keep it going or not its kool , i know what im going to do from now on and thats that

[LBV]

Let's remember too guys that the boost creep issues with the ATP turbos happen only when the throttle is allowed to be opened fully by a programming change to his ecu. If he didn't get his ecu flashed by CP-E, Cobb, or Piasini he shouldn't have that issue.

Mind you, he's not even close to worrying about that issue in particular as it sounds like he can't even get the car running properly.

[skylinemonster]

LV, Listen up sir. Your head is in the right place. You want power. It's an addiction for most of us males. You have the hardware for it so far. Let me tell you. I have a gt3071r with forged pistons and rods and alot of supporting modifications, time and money. Let me give you the facts.

1. The atp turbo kit is not worth the money they sell it for because of the internal gate issue. In my opinion ATP is a chop shop that makes frankenstein parts and pushes them out the door and doesn't stand behind them. You will not get anywhere talking to them. But they are all we have for bigger turbo upgrades at this point so you have to put in some more time and money to make it work as I did.

2. Don't listen to people on these forums unless they have hard evidence to back up their claims. Yes the rods in these engines are thin, but so are many other rods in different engines and I have seen stock blocks put down serious hp, over 350 wheel. Your engine detonating all boils down to proper tuning and engine care. The nice thing about direct injection is that engine knock is minimul if at all non-existant on 93 octane and a boost range of 23-26 psi, AS LONG AS IT IS TUNED PROPERLY. Most cars with standard fuel injection have to run higher octane, e85, etc in order to accomplish this feat. This is the beauty of direct injection and the atomization of fuel. I BLEW MY ORIGINAL BLOCK BECAUSE OF IMPROPER TUNING. I TRIED TO SHORT CUT AND SAVE MONEY BY USING OTHER PEOPLES TUNES, WELL YOU KNOW THE STORY. ANYHOW HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TUNE IT.

3. You need to clarify/elaborate on why your car was working at one point and then stopped building boost. Also, it's very important you don't rev past 4000 rpm until you get the piggy back tuned.

4. Get an external wastegate. Unfortunately its not a simple and cost effective task. You need to replace your turbo manifold if it is stock or buy an after market one and modify it, or just buy something like this straight up : http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4211979&posted=1#post4211979. It is already setup for a 44mm v-band gate, in which you will need to buy as well. This will set you back around 1200 dollars total to go this route but in my opinion it is well worth it. I experienced so many minor exhaust leaks from the 38mm flanges that I just upgraded to the 44mm v-band and all is perfect. V-band is the greatest invention since zip-ties. Anyhow, a big turbo car will not have perfect engine response if there is the smallest exhaust leak.

5. Finally, you will run into another road block when this is all said and done. You will not be able to rev the engine out without hitting a nasty MAF RELATED fuel cut around 5500rpm. Now his is caused mainly by the diamater of the maf housing. Current CP-E is working on a 3.5 inch maf housing which is almost 1 inch larger over stock and this will alow for up to 700hp before it reads max voltage near the 4.8v range. You will need to send in your factory ecu for cp-e to flash in order to rescale the maf tables.

6. Oh and I almost forgot, you will consume alot of oil in the engine especially under hard acceleration. The factory crankcase vent plumbs right into your turbo inlet and all the oil vapor is recycled back into your motor. try looking into a catch can or even better an air oil separator which is what I bought from www.ixizconcept.com. It is one of the most useful devices I have purschased for this car next to the dashhawk. It will separate all of your blow-by/pressurized oil and recycle the oil back in your engine and vent clean air into your turbo inlet. It actually works. I did many hard pulls and my oil level never drops.

If you have any questions, email me at japanesemonster@gmail.com. Good day.

[LV Tunerz]

i am taking it to a shop this up coming friday here in denver CO and im going to see what they can do for me , my grandmother is will to pay whatever for it to get back up and running so yeah but skylinemonster i will be looking into everything that you said for sure !

[MS6mike]

1. don't listen to MS6mike. He blew his motor, blames it on the car, and he gave up on it.
2. don't listen to BoostedSpd6. he doesn't know anything. long story short - he said he did a modification that was straightforward and ended up costing a few guys a considerable amount of money to correct it. it only worked for one guy in the end. as of now, we are still waiting on his write-up of the mod.... lol
3. listen to bova80. go to
4. read all you can on those forums without posting stupid comments like "how do i swap turbos?" absorb the information. if you can't put it together, you shouldn't be modding.

Kind off hard to keep trying after i fixed the engine that i blew The car got totaled! some guy t boned me like 2 weeks after i got my new engine! get the fact straight piece of shit!

[USAFVMI08]

Now now...let's not all get pissy at each other. :)

[LV Tunerz]

oh wow i didnt mean for any of this to happen , im listening to everyones opinion

[BoostedSpd6]

1. don't listen to MS6mike. He blew his motor, blames it on the car, and he gave up on it.
2. don't listen to BoostedSpd6. he doesn't know anything. long story short - he said he did a modification that was straightforward and ended up costing a few guys a considerable amount of money to correct it. it only worked for one guy in the end. as of now, we are still waiting on his write-up of the mod.... lol
3. listen to bova80. go to
4. read all you can on those forums without posting stupid comments like "how do i swap turbos?" absorb the information. if you can't put it together, you shouldn't be modding.

ur garabge my car still runs with the modified in tank pump..like mike said get ur facts straight kid. there will never ever be a write up about it because u guys caused so much drama and chewed me out just cuz it didnt work for u. noob

[LV Tunerz]

please do not direct any rude comment towards me , im here trying to learn what to do with the car tats all

[Dr. D]

i think he was talking about mdogg no worries killer

[BoostedSpd6]

i think he was talking about mdogg no worries killer

yeah mdogg(piss)

[mdogg]

ur garabge my car still runs with the modified in tank pump..like mike said get ur facts straight kid. there will never ever be a write up about it because u guys caused so much drama and chewed me out just cuz it didnt work for u. noob
your post reminds me of something..... oh yeah....

[Donas64]

This thread is going down the crapper fast.

[ms6acton]

its funny tho

[808MP5]

Why are we calling the turbo ATP when it's a GT3076R?

Anyhow couldve opted for a different compressor housing that doesn't have an internal waste gate. Hope you get everything sorted out LV

[BoostedSpd6]

its funny tho
i couldnt agree more.

[bova80]

Why are we calling the turbo ATP when it's a GT3076R?

Anyhow couldve opted for a different compressor housing that doesn't have an internal waste gate. Hope you get everything sorted out LV

because ATP makes them. and they don't make a different compresor housing that would bolt up to the speed6. only option for that is to weld the wastegate shut and run an external one.

[808MP5]

I thought Garrett made GT3076R turbos. Were talking about atpturbo.com right? Pretty sure you meant to say there selling them and not making them. Because that turbo has Garrett nomenclature wrtten all over it.

[mdogg]

yes, it's a Garrett turbo sold/designed by ATP.

[808MP5]

Thx for clearing that up. Cuz I was like WTF how can ATP make GT turbos. Since a few ppl where calling the turbo ATP

[ssinstaller]

It's a Garrett CHRA and compressor housing, but ATP designed and manufactures the exhaust housing--which is a POS and causes boost creep..

[Dr. D]

midievil MS will be coming out with an exhaust mani with a T3 flange which should give us many different possibilities and finally a solution to all this b/c now we arent forced to buy ATP turbos...

[LBV]

It's a Garrett CHRA and compressor housing, but ATP designed and manufactures the exhaust housing--which is a POS and causes boost creep..

Well let's be clear ... it causes boost creep when the throttle is programmed to be fully open by an ecu flash. No one had problems with boost creep until they started getting these throttle flashes.

[Dr. D]

Well let's be clear ... it causes boost creep when the throttle is programmed to be fully open by an ecu flash. No one had problems with boost creep until they started getting these throttle flashes.

not to start an arguement but buying a turbo upgrade is to make your car faster now why wouldn't you allow the throttle open the entire rpm range? if you wouldn't get the flash then why go big turbo? the fact remains not to point fingers or whatever but this problem should not exist point blank. i know we can ALL agree on this.

[LV Tunerz]

ECU is getting flashed and i also have the COBB AP now so everything should be good for right now , rods , pistons and all internals are on their way !!!!

[LBV]

I hear ya Dr D but put yourself in the shoes of ATP. You invest in putting out a turbo that work fine on the DISI motor with the way Mazda has had the ECU flashed (ie. throttle closes after 5500 rpm). You sell a bunch of them and life's ok.

Then CP-E, Piasini, and Cobb find a way to alter the throttle mapping and they program it to stay open all the way to redline and all of a sudden those people with the turbos that get the flash are having problems with them.

Is that ATP's fault? How did they know someone was gonna come out with a flash that was gonna 'cause the creep? Heck, they wouldn't have even been able to test it on a full-throttle car as no one had yet done it even if the thought crossed their mind on what would happen if the throttle stayed open all the way. Again, put yourself in their shoes as a businessman.

Now can they use this opportunity to re-design the wastegate and make it work? Absolutely.

[skylinemonster]

I hear ya Dr D but put yourself in the shoes of ATP. You invest in putting out a turbo that work fine on the DISI motor with the way Mazda has had the ECU flashed (ie. throttle closes after 5500 rpm). You sell a bunch of them and life's ok.

Then CP-E, Piasini, and Cobb find a way to alter the throttle mapping and they program it to stay open all the way to redline and all of a sudden those people with the turbos that get the flash are having problems with them.

Is that ATP's fault? How did they know someone was gonna come out with a flash that was gonna 'cause the creep? Heck, they wouldn't have even been able to test it on a full-throttle car as no one had yet done it even if the thought crossed their mind on what would happen if the throttle stayed open all the way. Again, put yourself in their shoes as a businessman.

Now can they use this opportunity to re-design the wastegate and make it work? Absolutely.

Hate to break up the lovefest, but my ATP turbo induced creep well before a flash was introduced. If i'm going to design a baseline 1700 dollar turbo with a gt30,35,42 compressor housing, that turbo for one is not going to be tested on a vehicle, but on a rig that supplies the exhaust housing an accelerated pressure that is held constant, while i'm measuring boost on the other end. Immediately I would have had conclusive evidence and reason to increase port diameter or adjust actuator geometry. This is just the basics to how turbos work and to deliver a quality product. They fell short and really don't care about it or else they would chime in on forums and talk to their customers who have expressed much concern. When it comes to this particular issue, it is either two things, lack of knowledge or lack of care. You pick which one.

[ssinstaller]

Hate to break up the lovefest, but my ATP turbo induced creep well before a flash was introduced. If i'm going to design a baseline 1700 dollar turbo with a gt30,35,42 compressor housing, that turbo for one is not going to be tested on a vehicle, but on a rig that supplies the exhaust housing an accelerated pressure that is held constant, while i'm measuring boost on the other end. Immediately I would have had conclusive evidence and reason to increase port diameter or adjust actuator geometry. This is just the basics to how turbos work and to deliver a quality product. They fell short and really don't care about it or else they would chime in on forums and talk to their customers who have expressed much concern. When it comes to this particular issue, it is either two things, lack of knowledge or lack of care. You pick which one.


That is exactly why I spent my 2k on a custom manifold and DP so I could run a standard T3 gt35, with Garrett housings and an external wastegate..

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/CreativePerformance/DSC00305.jpg

[LBV]

Hate to break up the lovefest, but my ATP turbo induced creep well before a flash was introduced.

I frequent all the forums and that's the first I heard of that ... I'm not too big to say "I stand corrected".

[Killer]

I think it is done. LV, if you need to further discuss these issues please start a new thread. Thanks.