Can a stock boost, bolt-on MS3 run 12s with drag radials?

[FMOS Racing]

I have to wait until spring to find out, but how's a 13.0 for now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aOqOURZRwY

[opt_ms3]

damn dude, nice work

[wisniaPl]

driver did 12.8 or something with couple boltons he destroyed viper on the next lane hahah on youtube is vid ...somewhere

[FMOS Racing]

Yeah, Driver311, I saw his thread and videos (and all the drama). He had a MBC and was running, I think, 18 psi. I'm still at stock boost. One of the comments in that thread was something about a MS3 with a CAI and drag tires could get into the 12s. I'm pretty certain it can, though I can't powershift 2-3 consistently without the motor mount upgrade.

I think something he proved was how important sticky tires are on these cars at the strip. I'm an old school drag racer, so I'm a firm believer in traction!

[terbow]

Wow. Excellent job.

Hope the axels hold up with all that grip.

[SingleFin1969]

Great work, it's really cool to see MS3s having fun at the track (gaining respect, too).

[UHATEIT]

if someone can find driver311 video of him beating a viper I'd love to see that!

But if he had an MBC he wouldnt be running stock boost then I guess.

for the OP, great video!

[AAMguy]

I highly doubt it...but will you be doing any type of weight reduction?

but it would not shock me this car has some potentional with a good driver and the right mods. heck we got a stock turbo sti in the low 11s

[FMOS Racing]

Just the rear tires/wheels since those anvils on my car weigh 55 lbs each. I'll borrow some stockers to keep it honest. I really didn't expect the 13.1 or 13.0, 107 mph passes or I would've been better prepared. I wasn't even putting any heat in the tires on those two good passes so I'm actually fairly confident, given the mph, that the car will go lower 12.90s maybe even squeak into the 12.80s.

Here's the MS3 vs Viper video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lp-wZlzKVw

He doesn't beat it. It's a bracket race, the Viper gets the win light and runs an 11.90. Still a 12.80 pass in a car with minimal mods (cut air box, test pipe, 18 psi, good tires).

For what it's worth, I won two passes against a C5 Z06 one night at ORP, but that was a driver's deal. Hard to really claim a MS3 is faster than a Z06. ;)

[sleeper3]

I plan on being in the 12s with bolt ons on street tires and stock boost... I think it's very possible with the right driver... maybe I am he.

[UHATEIT]

I plan on being in the 12s with bolt ons on street tires and stock boost... I think it's very possible with the right driver... maybe I am he.

confident are we(shady) I wish you the best of luck. I too wish I can reach 12s but for having never dragged before at the strips at least, i doubt that will ever happen :( I hit 12s in my 300ZX TT back when I used to street race tho, but thats with those old skool G-tech pro :) anyone remember those bad boys?

[sleeper3]

hey all I've got is an intake and a top mount intercooler and I'm at a 13.5

I think 12s aren't THAT far away... besides, I haven't hit a perfect run on my setup yet... I'm thinking that my car, as is, is capable of at least a 13.4, maybe 13.3 I know I feel more potential off of the line than I am getting so far.

[mrjoshyman]

wow these are some great times given the mods. best mod is probably the driver mod.... there are people with a good amount more mods getting slower times.

good luck w/ breaking 13

[sleeper3]

being able to drive isn't a mod, it just takes practice.

[CWPspeed3]

confident are we(shady) I wish you the best of luck. I too wish I can reach 12s but for having never dragged before at the strips at least, i doubt that will ever happen :( I hit 12s in my 300ZX TT back when I used to street race tho, but thats with those old skool G-tech pro :) anyone remember those bad boys?

I'm interested in what mine would run at the track, I've never drag raced on a track before, I went for the cheaper Escort G-timer myself in my old integra but then I was just trying to break out of the 15s haha.

I think with the proper conditions and driver a lightly modded ms3 could do it.

[sleeper3]

all of those obdII and g-force things are bunk. it only matters what you run at an official track. I should run with my dashhawk and post how different the "times" are.

they sure don't hurt for practice though!

[UHATEIT]

dude those g-techs were badass back in the day, but they could be within 1 second up or down from what it was in actuality, so deifinately the track is more reliable. I woder how a DH compares to the g-tech tho, if it's more accurate. Still, I too rememver trying to break into 14s with my nitrous powered cavalier, and then inot 12s with my 300ZX TT using that pos g-tech

[supper squirrel]

Just the rear tires/wheels since those anvils on my car weigh 55 lbs each. I'll borrow some stockers to keep it honest. I really didn't expect the 13.1 or 13.0, 107 mph passes or I would've been better prepared. I wasn't even putting any heat in the tires on those two good passes so I'm actually fairly confident, given the mph, that the car will go lower 12.90s maybe even squeak into the 12.80s.

Here's the MS3 vs Viper video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lp-wZlzKVw

He doesn't beat it. It's a bracket race, the Viper gets the win light and runs an 11.90. Still a 12.80 pass in a car with minimal mods (cut air box, test pipe, 18 psi, good tires).

For what it's worth, I won two passes against a C5 Z06 one night at ORP, but that was a driver's deal. Hard to really claim a MS3 is faster than a Z06. ;)

What are you running for wheels and drag radials? (Size and type)

..and what was your 60'?

[CWPspeed3]

The dashhawk goes by the vehicle sensors though so some people have found reliability issues when using it for performance tests, the g-tech and g-timer used gyros and force so I'd say they are a little more accurate than the dashhawk but still wouldnt use those numbers. I havent used my dash hawk for performance tests yet...

[wisniaPl]

btw driver is back in a game;)

[FMOS Racing]

I was actually a beta tester for the original G-Tech Pro back in '92 or '93. That's been a while!

60's on the two better passes were a 1.85 and I think a 1.90. I wasn't even launching really hard since they were just two of my first three hot-lap passes. I really didn't expect the car to go that fast right off the street. I was just trying to get a feel for the tires.

Here's the best two timeslips:
http://www.fmosracing.com/images/ms3ts3.jpg

About the tires/wheels, I nabbed this from the quarter mile thread:

The tires were some seriously worn out BFG DRs, 255/60-16, mounted on 2nd Gen Probe GT wheels. A friend of mine ran them for a couple of years on his 300ZX (11.13@135 car on good gas). He just switched to some real fats and skinnies for the car (went 11.10@126 on pump gas Wednesday night, improved from a 1.73 best 60' to a 1.48 best 60') so I borrowed his old ones.

I really wouldn't recommend that tire for a couple of reasons. First, the BFG compound is old. Nitto, Mickey Thompson and Hoosier all make much better constructed and compounded tires now. Second, they're just too wide. They throw crap all down the side of the car when you do a burnout. If you turn onto the return road too fast, they'll rub pretty hard, too. Not sure on what, but the noise isn't pleasant...

These are what I intend to run on mine come spring, on a set of Rota Flights - http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HOO-17320&N=700+317726+4294793322+4294905041+115&autoview=sku. They're a much better tire in terms of tread and they're about an inch and a half shorter than the BFGs I ran, so I'll gain some gearing, too. Since I already have to shift into fifth, I might as well get all the torque mulitplication I can.

The term "driver mod" is kinda common around the dragstrip. When I botch a run, I'll typically joke that I, "lost the driver mod." The pass in the video is actually one almost totally devoid of "driver mod." It's just the only one I had recorded.

I don't think there's anything magic about running these times, just experience. Matter of fact, after I do it, I'm going to move the tires/wheels over to Dan Murney's car (the Cosmic car in the Injen CAI video) and let him do it in his just to prove my car isn't some "freak."

UHATEIT - If you're still into 300ZXs, check this out - http://fmosracing.com/videos/james300zx.wmv (that's on pump gas). I've been preaching tires and coaching his launch for a couple of years so I'm pretty proud of how well that car is getting down the track. Should go very low 10s on good gas.

[sleeper3]

proper staging would be worth a tenth too, I bet! he staged hella deep!

[FMOS Racing]

I said Rota Flights, by the way, and that's wrong, it's the Slipstream. Flights only come in a 15x6.5", not nearly enough wheel for that tire.

[bf360]

I wana get some nice 17 or 18's and run drag radials daily from march or april til october, not a bad idea lol

[FMOS Racing]

The answer to the original question is,"Yes." 12.91@105 backed up with a 12.94@106. I'll get videos up as soon as I get a chance to digitize them - and this was at IRP, which is not known for being a very "fast" track.

The car has a 12.8x in it if I can get it all together on a pass.

Now it's time for 18 psi.

[Circle9]

I know several guys running 12.7-12.9 with basic bolt-ons and slicks. The MS3 isn't bad considering that FMOS is running a high 12 with just 3 fairly cheap and basic mods with no tuning. We need someone running a 12.4-12.6 to show the Suby guys that our car has what it takes ;)

Time to get an upgraded TMIC FMOS, it will get you to about 18 psi and you will notice a difference.

[sleeper3]

12.9! nice! congrats!

I know I have a 13.2 in my car as it stands. I'm hoping to be in the 12s with basic bolt ons and radials. I think it's very possible!

[MSMS3]

Don't flame me guys for posting a couple GTech Pro charts! I, too, know this is not the same and not as reliable as strip time slips.

I'll be taking my little silver MS3 to the strip in a week or so, weather permitting. But I was curious as to what my current mods showed, so I made a couple runs recently.

My past experiece with the GTech Pro is that on several cars I have tested at the strip this accelerometer is the most accurate of the bunch out there and has been consistently plus or minus one tenth of a second from the strip data.

The only significant variation has been trap speed. The GTech Pro calculates absolute speed at the end of the quarter while the strip timers average the speed between two beams, the first being 60 feet before the end of the quarter and the second being at exactly 1/4 mile.

This means the GTech Pro will read trap speed optimistic by about 1 mph.

GTech Pro accelerometer is an excellent device for practice and to see if mods improve performance, but is not to be taken literally.

Just for fun, what do you guys think about these two "mid-13" runs on street tires? The hold back is still the crappy 60 ft. times and having to feather the throttle in first and second to hook up. I have other print-outs showing the g-forces on each run that really show the adverse effect of tire spin and trying to hook up on launch.

Congrats to FMOS for the real 12.9's.

[FMOS Racing]

I don't see any problem with those numbers for what you've got done to the car.

Video, as promised - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJE3BXHmB5s&feature=channel_page

[essejkcamraw]

if someone can find driver311 video of him beating a viper I'd love to see that!

But if he had an MBC he wouldnt be running stock boost then I guess.

for the OP, great video!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lp-wZlzKVw


didnt beat the viper but damn, mid 12's

[hectik1]

Wow! Some great driving.

[MSMS3]

I don't see any problem with those numbers for what you've got done to the car.

Video, as promised - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJE3BXHmB5s&feature=channel_page

Thanks for the very good vids and the excellent driving.

[sleeper3]

I don't see any problem with those numbers for what you've got done to the car.

Video, as promised - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJE3BXHmB5s&feature=channel_page

NICE!

these cars are pretty sick. 12s with minimal mods!

[spoolin_05]

Very nice what slicks were you running in that vid

[FMOS Racing]

They're Hoosier drag radials. 225/50-16s.

After watching the vids I realized I need someone who understands FWD burnouts to line me up in the waterbox. The guys at the track pull me too far forward and the back tires end up in the water. They slide instead of holding the car still so that I can get some heat in the front tires.

Only the first burnout is worth anything at all. And, of course, that was my best 60' of the evening.

[spoolin_05]

They're Hoosier drag radials. 225/50-16s.

After watching the vids I realized I need someone who understands FWD burnouts to line me up in the waterbox. The guys at the track pull me too far forward and the back tires end up in the water. They slide instead of holding the car still so that I can get some heat in the front tires.

Only the first burnout is worth anything at all. And, of course, that was my best 60' of the evening.

Oh i thought you hadnt put the hoosiers on before that race...im looking at doing the same set up. Did you put them on the rota slipstreams? If possible links to the rims and tires you have on your setup would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[FMOS Racing]

I picked up a set of FD RX7 wheels for really cheap here locally. At just over 13 lbs each, they're a great drag wheel. Another great choice is the early 2nd generation Probe GT wheels. They're fairly light, too. You don't want the chrome "swirly" wheels that came on the later cars because they're significantly heavier.

These are the tires - careful shopping can find them cheaper. They also make a 255/50-16 that would be a better choice in a higher horsepower car.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HOO-17320&N=700+400343+4294921520+4294793322+115&autoview=sku

[spoolin_05]

Do you think the 255/50/16 would fit on the ms3

[Speedkid]

Nice times dude.

[FMOS Racing]

Do you think the 255/50/16 would fit on the ms3

I am way, way late on this (been traveling for work since July), but I ran the 255/50-16 BFGs on my car in the early videos. They rub at around maximum turn, but they're fine for using at the track if you don't turn too tightly (that's on the Probe GT wheels, obviously wheel offset will impact this).

Now I have to tell you that the 255s throw a lot of crap down the side of the car when you do a burnout. The 225s don't.

[MGM_GT3]

That is awesome man!

[opt_ms3]

what happened to the youtube vid?

[Design]

Yeah that's odd. Seems like the account was closed for some reason?

Great times nonetheless, and very encouraging to see what our cars can do. :)