What do I need to match a 350z/MS3/SRT-4?

[c7scayman]

All Stock 03 MSP.
I am getting Vibrant turbo back exhaust, Injen CAI, Corksport FMIC, AWR Motor mounts, a boost controller, a turbo timer, and a forged Wastegate Actuator, gauges, and a hard pipe so I can get a BOV installed. And a Stage 1 clutch when the stock clutch goes bad.

Planning to up the boost to 10psi.

What other parts do I need to run 10 psi?
And what would I need to get a 0-60 time of at the most 5.7 seconds?

I am on a budget so I cannot afford the Forged Pistons and Rods so 10psi is the most I can go safely on stock internals as far as I know.

Engine has 63,000 miles on it. Clutch is good.
I do not know that much about turbo engines so try to explain some things.

[zuku26]

Some sort of tuning, Split second works very well on MSP's.
intake mani...626 should do you some good.
SRT-4 you already got...probably stock.
MS3 you should have with those mods.
350z might take a bigger turbo.
Shit I wonder how I would fair against a 350z

[c7scayman]

According to some sites, the stock 0-60 time for the msp is 6.9 seconds at best.

The SRT-4 stock is 5.9.
The mazdausa.com site says the MS3 is 5.5 seconds.
The 03-05 350z is 5.8 seconds and the 06-09 350z is 5.2 seconds.

So there is no chance I can beat them stock.

And every part I get has to be street legal so I can pass inspection.
I have to keep the cats unfortunately. Vibrant Turbo back exhaust is street legal and gives 4-7HP and 19-21 lb-ft torque, which is great, but not enough for under 6 seconds.

[Ricktalife]

srt-4's are shit. it's a dodge...seriously.

[MSP2k3]

With my mods, at 8psi on the superstock map on the AFC i was dead even with a 3.5L Altima with a intake,exhaust and i dunno what else through 3rd and 4th gear. I started to pull just barely at the end of 4th, so i bet i would have walked on him at 10psi. Dunno if that helps you or not.

[Patrickenator]

I am trying to do the same thing. I'll be happy if I can beat a srt-4 cause I hate them. keep us updated on how this turns out as you get things installed :D

[jred321]

i think you forgot to add "prayers that things don't break" to that list

ditch the turbo timer and put that money towards something to control your air/fuel ratios.

with all of those parts you'll be close enough that it'll be more dependent on the driver than the car. assuming the other cars are stock of course. don't get hung up on numbers and who you can beat. modify your car, make it quick, and enjoy it. there's always going to be someone faster

[Patrickenator]

. modify your car, make it quick, and enjoy it. there's always going to be someone faster

word. but the less of them the better.

[jred321]

if straight line performance is what interests you though the MSP is the wrong platform. to compete with those other cars stock you're going to be stretching yours to the limit until you spend a good chunk of change on a new engine. if you get hung up on straight line numbers you'll never like your car because it's never going to be a superstar

[slo03.5msp]

Seriously how many times has this subject been covered? I can speak from my own personal experience that you should walk those cars like that. I know I do. Stage 2 srt-4, 350z with full nismo exhaust and a pop charger and a ms3 with gutted exhaust and an intake. Our cars are faster than everyone thinks do your mods get an s pipe, do a liteweight flywheel when you do the clutch get a ssafc and run 12lbs of boost.

[Ricktalife]

well its not as easy as upping the boost lol. gotta get all the supporting mods first ;D. plus it's more fun that way.

edit: getting supporting mods that is.

[Patrickenator]

agreed :)

[cmahlig]

srt4 - with light mods those would spank us
ms3 - same thing
350z - good race if you have full mods

our turbo screws us in straight races. it just falls off too early which gives every one of those an advantage except for the z.

i love the way my car looks but as far as speed, its just the wrong platform unless you dump money into it

[lestat13]

srt-4's are shit. it's a dodge...seriously.

I know we all hate SRT-4s (blarf).... but I have seen some really fast ones. With intake and catless downpipe on my MS3 I got spanked by about 3 cars by one. When we were still on the street I could hear his turbo spooling over his exhaust. No, not intake suction sound, spool sound.

So as much as we hate them, they can be very fast. Watch yourself

[Patrickenator]

not arguing they are fast lol, and not looking for straight line monster power, but rather a well rounded, performance-based vehicle -- and guess what? I found it in the MSP which is why I bought it...but you can't in your right mind say its not worth it to want to be faster than an ugly neon; no matter how fast they are from the factory

[SeR_Cyclops]

everyone says these cars can be fast, well yes they can. it just takes more money up front than a srt-4 or ms3 does, but what you are forgetting is to get a srt in the same condition as my msp i would have had to pay 18,000 at the time and i only payed 8,500 so i could take the 9,500 and kill a srt-4 so its all about $$$

[jred321]

who was trying to sell an SRT4 for $18,000 at a time when you could get an MSP for $8,500? i'm pretty sure i remember hearing of people buying new SRT4's for $18,000. i haven't looked but i'd imagine they're around the $10,000 mark now

[c7scayman]

if straight line performance is what interests you though the MSP is the wrong platform. to compete with those other cars stock you're going to be stretching yours to the limit until you spend a good chunk of change on a new engine. if you get hung up on straight line numbers you'll never like your car because it's never going to be a superstar

I am into handling with high speed turns.
The MSP is best choice for that since it is supposedly the best handling FWD car.
But I hate SRT-4's so I would like to be faster.
My friends have 350z and MS3 and I just want to keep up with them when we go driving.

I am not into drag racing-not fun.
Autocross is best.

[Patrickenator]

I am into handling with high speed turns.
The MSP is best choice for that since it is supposedly the best handling FWD car.
But I hate SRT-4's so I would like to be faster.
My friends have 350z and MS3 and I just want to keep up with them when we go driving.

I am not into drag racing-not fun.
Autocross is best.

couldn't have put it better.(thumb)

[c7scayman]

who was trying to sell an SRT4 for $18,000 at a time when you could get an MSP for $8,500? i'm pretty sure i remember hearing of people buying new SRT4's for $18,000. i haven't looked but i'd imagine they're around the $10,000 mark now

SRT-4's are still going for $18,000.
I know someone with an SRT-4 with 460whp and runs 1/4 mile in elevens.

I have looked at the prices online for them. Very expensive cars.
I am getting a MSP next week for less than $6,000 with only 63,500 miles.
Spend $8k on mods and it would be a very quick sleeper for $14k with mods and cost of car.

[jred321]

if anyone pays $18k for a 3-5 year old neon that only cost $20k new they're retarded. i think they're decent cars but not that good.

fwiw i found a few in the 60k mile range for in the $12,000 area

[c7scayman]

True, they should not cost so much and people should not pay so much for a Dodge.
I sold an 08 SRT-8 Charger where i work for $28,000 and it had less than 30,000 miles. Horrbile resale value.

[c7scayman]

So back to the topic. What do I need to keep up with these cars?

[SeR_Cyclops]

who was trying to sell an SRT4 for $18,000 at a time when you could get an MSP for $8,500? i'm pretty sure i remember hearing of people buying new SRT4's for $18,000. i haven't looked but i'd imagine they're around the $10,000 mark now

no new they were like 22,000

[jred321]

the 2003 had an MSRP of $19,450. there were a few options to bring it higher and 2004 and 2005 were a little more expensive because they added an LSD. when it came out it was billed as the fastest car under $20k

[SeR_Cyclops]

oh well im not sure, i know my buddy gave 22 for his.

[Outlawstar98]

So back to the topic. What do I need to keep up with these cars?

Offtopic for my own personal idea's:

U IZ IN PHILLY! nice...... haha im about a hourish away. once u get your MSP contact me, there's a Tristatetuners meet every Friday that i go to in Exton.

[c7scayman]

Offtopic for my own personal idea's:

U IZ IN PHILLY! nice...... haha im about a hourish away. once u get your MSP contact me, there's a Tristatetuners meet every Friday that i go to in Exton.

I go to TST almost every week on Thursdays at Sonic on Street Road, Bensalem, PA. 9p.m.-1a.m.
Street Road exit is off I-95. About 50 cars show up, but not at the same time.
Sometimes 20 people show up, 5 leave, 8 new people come, 10 leave, 2 new people come, and so on. So the most cars at the meet at the same time is like 25.

How big is the TST Exton meet?

[orng1]

Wow that's a tough race, I'd love to take it on but I bet I'd still lose. Any of those cars modded would easily beat a slighly modded MSP. If you really want to beat all those cars your going to have to go big. I really love my MSP and I do have a lot of mods but I do know it's not the fastest on the road.

So far mods are T3-60 (it's a big turbo with a 4" inlet), FMIC, full 3" straight through exhaust, MPI tuner and boost set at around 9psi got me 249whp.

[MSPLIFE]

put it this way, is possibly to beat this cars!! Im surronded by friends with the S200, srt4s and 350s.

[c7scayman]

Alright everyone, back to the original question.
I want to know what everyone does to there cars to get the 0-60 time uner 6 seconds.

[axisboldaslove]

well one thing is to work on a good launch...and also along with those mods that are needed to beat those cars...you're gonna have to have a lot of money to do that....with the money that i have put into my car just fixing it up this year i've could have bought a hiboost turbo kit...and then forged internals with ems when my taxes come ....make sure your car is running right before you go ahead and start ordering parts for it...it'll bite you in the ass in the long run

[zuku26]

make sure your car is running right before you go ahead and start ordering parts for it...it'll bite you in the ass in the long run


Well said. There are several aspects of the MSP that require attention before you start modding. In my case those things are what caused my mods.. lol.

[zuku26]

Wow that's a tough race, I'd love to take it on but I bet I'd still lose. Any of those cars modded would easily beat a slighly modded MSP. If you really want to beat all those cars your going to have to go big. I really love my MSP and I do have a lot of mods but I do know it's not the fastest on the road.

So far mods are T3-60 (it's a big turbo with a 4" inlet), FMIC, full 3" straight through exhaust, MPI tuner and boost set at around 9psi got me 249whp.
Are you forged??

[trev_speed6]

going back to paige one______
im not saying srt -4s are slow either but i raced one with my speed 6 with just a magnaflow catback and beat him ( not by much )

[Ricktalife]

well the speed 6 is a different story than the msp

[SeR_Cyclops]

yeah that is true, the msp is nothing like the speed3 or speed6, i guess mazda didnt want to be the laughing stock of the import seen this time around.

[axisboldaslove]

yeah that is true, the msp is nothing like the speed3 or speed6, i guess mazda didnt want to be the laughing stock of the import seen this time around.

lmao

[Ricktalife]

well they were noobs to turbos when they made the msp.

[jred321]

they weren't noobs to turbos with the MSP at all - the older turbo cars actually have more robust engines than the MSP. the weak engine in the MSP was a result of cost savings resulting from taking an existing NA engine and putting a turbo on it. the MSP is also not the laughing stock of the import "seen." power isn't its strong point but it has enough to get out of its own way. take it to an autocross course and see how many people in the "seen" are laughing at it

[axisboldaslove]

pretty much look at the nissan sentra se-r spec v...in example a higher end trim for the sentra from nissan....came out the same year pretty much a protege exterior rip off besides the wing..and it's slower then a protege...they they come stock with 190 chp and the protege is 170 chp...so i wouldn't say that the protege is the laughing stock of imports...that is just an opinion...plus the MSP was the first mazdaspeed car that was made...of course it's not gonna be the fastest ....that would be the reason why they made the speed 6 and speed 3...

[Ricktalife]

pretty much look at the nissan sentra se-r spec v...in example a higher end trim for the sentra from nissan....came out the same year pretty much a protege exterior rip off besides the wing..and it's slower then a protege...they they come stock with 190 chp and the protege is 170 chp...so i wouldn't say that the protege is the laughing stock of imports...that is just an opinion...plus the MSP was the first mazdaspeed car that was made...of course it's not gonna be the fastest ....that would be the reason why they made the speed 6 and speed 3...

actually i have a 2004 spec v that im tryin to sell right now and their chp is 175 lol. but it's a six speed so they're still run to drive :D

[SeR_Cyclops]

now that is true you take it to a autox and she will hold her own. i have never read this anywhere but how much slower is the msp compaired to evos and sti's in a autox course considering the same driver drove all of the cars?

[jred321]

fwiw i believe the MS3, MS6 and MSP are all classed in DS. clearly the MS3 and MS6 have the edge in a straight line but the MSP must have something going for it.

page 158 here http://www.scca.com/documents/Solo%20Rules/2008_Solo_Rules_2.pdf

[jred321]

now that is true you take it to a autox and she will hold her own. i have never read this anywhere but how much slower is the msp compaired to evos and sti's in a autox course considering the same driver drove all of the cars?
check out which cars are in which classes here http://www.scca.com/documents/Solo%20Rules/2008_Solo_Rules_2.pdf . starts on page 155. they keep cars that get similar times together to keep things competitive within the class. the evo and sti are in AS vs DS for the mazda crew. don't know what that equates to in terms of actual time but all else equal the evo/sti will win

[SeR_Cyclops]

that is a huge website its taking forever to load.

[jred321]

it's a 3MB file. right click->save as if you prefer