So how does everyone like there eibach prokit? [Archive]

09speed3

11-06-2008, 11:02 AM

I been looking to lower my car and I seen that eibach came out with the prokit for our car. So I was just wondering for the people who have it on there car how do u like it, how's the drop? Is it bouncy? Does it have a nice stance to it now?. And also if u have pictures of your car lowered on the eibach prokit springs please post them up.

I have searched and found a couple of threads about it but I want to be 100% sure about it .

turbo23

11-06-2008, 04:18 PM

I do like like it, saying that though after Ive had the good break in. They are fine for street use, but the shocks could be changed out. Im at 27k on the shocks, and I feel the dampening isnt there or right. But they did make a great improvement! I think have a front sway bar as well as a rear would make the car great

CWPspeed3

11-06-2008, 05:20 PM

I like them a lot. The drop is perfect in my book, it is a bit bouncy but MI roads suck, I'm going to combine it with the cobb RSB eventually i think that will be a perfect setup for less than $400 and not going full coilovers.

Heres the link to my pictures, I think the springs have settled some since I took these. Oh and the alignment was fine after doing them, i paid $50 to have them tell me it was still in spec.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123722021

09speed3

11-07-2008, 02:53 PM

anyone else experience a bouncy ride cause I deffinately don't want that

bacarl

11-07-2008, 04:23 PM

Anytime you increase spring rates without increasing damping rates you'll get bounce. How much bouce you end up with is dependant upon how much you increase the spring rate over the stock rate. The more the shock is overpowered by the spring, the more bouncy your ride will be. If you don't want that, upgrade your shocks along with the springs.

Bumpin Mazda

11-16-2008, 04:41 PM

im lookin at buying an eibach pro kit with 1.0 drop in front and back but i have huge tires on my car 215/50 x 17 and im worried about the rub, which is why im only looking at a suttle drop. help?

Txsandman

11-18-2008, 02:08 PM

It's stiffer than stock, for sure. I don't really notice added bounce.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t110/TxSandman/IMG_0423.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t110/TxSandman/IMG_0420.jpg

lestat13

11-18-2008, 02:15 PM

Been looking at the Eibach and Cobb springs but.......

That looks like mine does now stock. I've got one finger gap in the rear and 2 fingers in the front. My car rolled off the showroom, but I know for sure it doesn't have coilovers or anything. Could mine be altered or broken? Different springs?

Txsandman

11-18-2008, 02:44 PM

It's not much of a drop, here's b4 and after
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t110/TxSandman/IMG_0251.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t110/TxSandman/IMG_0411.jpg

chippy

11-18-2008, 03:01 PM

are those 18's or 17's?

Txsandman

11-18-2008, 03:34 PM

18's w/ 225-40

opt_ms3

11-18-2008, 05:43 PM

I think the drop is just right, I'm very happy with mine.

BurnoutX

11-19-2008, 09:16 AM

nice looking drop there...subtle. in my book, not everything needs to be dragging nuts to look good :D

boosthead

11-20-2008, 04:04 PM

Is cornering flatter? Car rotate better?

SingleFin1969

11-20-2008, 04:32 PM

CWPspeed3

11-20-2008, 04:35 PM

Just installed my Pro Kit springs yesterday. The car looks great and handles much better.

Here are some photos:

http://s423.photobucket.com/albums/pp312/SingleFin1969/MazdaSpeed%20Mods/?albumview=slideshow

Wow you got that done quick. My next step is the cobb RSB. How does it feel with both the springs and the sway?

I've driven a ms3 with just the rsb and mine with just the springs, i think the combo would be great. Lock that rear end down, maybe eventually get a mid brace.

SingleFin1969

11-20-2008, 04:52 PM

Wow you got that done quick. My next step is the cobb RSB. How does it feel with both the springs and the sway?

I've driven a ms3 with just the rsb and mine with just the springs, i think the combo would be great. Lock that rear end down, maybe eventually get a mid brace.

Yeah, the "how to" section on this forum helped a ton. I installed the RSB first, since it came last week. It made a big difference in how the car moved side to side and turned. With the springs installed now, to be honest, it feels like a totally different car. As stock, it is a family 5 door, but now it seems to be more of a sports car. Body roll and acceleration lift are really reduced. Anyway, thanks to you and your good advice.

CWPspeed3

11-20-2008, 05:09 PM

Glad to hear it, cant wait to get my RSB, the only thing is the endlink bolts keep coming loose on some peoples, even with loctite so make sure to watch those.

fructus

11-20-2008, 08:35 PM

So the consensus is for better performance and overall drivability to go with Eibach instead of Cobb?

CWPspeed3

11-20-2008, 08:51 PM

So the consensus is for better performance and overall drivability to go with Eibach instead of Cobb?

I have no experience with the cobb springs but thats what it seems like. Price on the eibach's is better too, cobb commands a premium for their parts that i dont know if its worth it. Then you also have to have everything in blue.

Climbingace

11-21-2008, 07:39 PM

Got mines installed yesterday. I would kill for some new rims tho.

CWPspeed3

11-21-2008, 08:28 PM

Got mines installed yesterday. I would kill for some new rims tho.

I just got my new rims, now its winter and like hell im putting my bridgestones on so I have to wait until spring

Climbingace

11-22-2008, 09:26 PM

I just got my new rims, now its winter and like hell im putting my bridgestones on so I have to wait until spring

what kind of tires would you recommend for winter other than bridgestones? I don't have a clue right now

CWPspeed3

11-22-2008, 11:52 PM

what kind of tires would you recommend for winter other than bridgestones? I don't have a clue right now

if your in ca get a nice set of all seasons, i have some pirelli M&S and they work great.

Climbingace

11-23-2008, 01:47 PM

if your in ca get a nice set of all seasons, i have some pirelli M&S and they work great.

I'll have to check em out. thanks.

CWPspeed3

11-23-2008, 02:09 PM

I'll have to check em out. thanks.

$155 a piece at tire rack right now
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Sizes.jsp?make=Pirelli&model=PZero+Nero+M%26S+PINNA

bykeryder4life

11-24-2008, 12:06 AM

here in so. cali I drive on summer tires all year round

Nliiitend1

11-29-2008, 12:45 PM

Does anyone know the spring rates of these Eibachs?

boosthead

11-30-2008, 01:51 AM

Does anyone know the spring rates of these Eibachs?

front rates 160lbs-239lbs
rear rates 148lbs-228lbs

Nliiitend1

12-01-2008, 04:27 PM

Those springs are entirely too soft, IMO.

Why can't anyone make a proper spring for these cars??

bacarl

12-01-2008, 06:23 PM

Possibly because no one makes a proper damper.

Nliiitend1

12-01-2008, 10:22 PM

Possibly because no one makes a proper damper.

Well then somebody should do BOTH!

Dampers are obviously a MUST for this car, but I agree that the lack of options that might actually help to solve the problem is staggering.

fructus

12-09-2008, 12:19 PM

Could anyone post the fender-wheel clearance in inches before and after the install?

CWPspeed3

12-09-2008, 01:05 PM

I forget the exact measurements because I never really wrote them down, the springs have settled since I took this pic too. Around 1" to 1-1/8" drop total.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j255/lazyboymsu/Car%20stuff/b4after.jpg

fructus

12-09-2008, 01:23 PM

The reason I asked is that it seems to me that my car seats pretty low as it is and I wonder why. So I just wanted to compare the clearances with others. Take a look and let me know if I'm wrong:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/fructus/th_DSC00111.jpg (http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/fructus/?action=view&current=DSC00111.jpg)
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/fructus/th_DSC00117.jpg (http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/fructus/?action=view&current=DSC00117.jpg)
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/fructus/th_DSC00118.jpg (http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/fructus/?action=view&current=DSC00118.jpg)

CWPspeed3

12-09-2008, 01:27 PM

The reason I asked is that it seems to me that my car seats pretty low as it is and I wonder why. So I just wanted to compare the clearances with others. Take a look and let me know if I'm wrong:

That does look pretty low, I wonder if it has to do with the 8" wide wheel with a 225/45 tire. That extra sidewall height may make the gap seem smaller. I went with a 225/40 on mine.

fructus

12-09-2008, 01:35 PM

CWPspeed3

12-09-2008, 02:04 PM

You are probably right. I have an Eibach kit sitting in my garage waiting to be installed. It's pretty cold right now to be messing with anything and knowing me it's probably gonna take me a couple of days to put these things on.

The rears are real easy to do and you could probably have the entire back end done in 30min. The fronts are a bit tricky and will take a little longer, especially if your working in the cold, it might be a good idea to wait until spring. Thats when I'm finishing off the rest of my suspension and throwing my new rims on.

fructus

12-09-2008, 03:33 PM

I rub when I have people in the backseat, and I wonder if installing the springs will fix that. It did when I upgraded the suspension in my TL.

CWPspeed3

12-09-2008, 03:52 PM

I rub when I have people in the backseat, and I wonder if installing the springs will fix that. It did when I upgraded the suspension in my TL.

They will be stiffer so it may cut down on the rubbing, then again it will also be lower so I dont know if it will continue to rub or not. I hardly ever have passengers in the back seat of my car. Maybe for your next set of tires you might want to cut it down to a 40 series tire in either 225 or 235 since your running 8" wide. Dont know what that would do for rubbing though.

fructus

12-09-2008, 04:04 PM

Yep, if I knew that it would rub I would've gone with 40's.

opt_ms3

12-10-2008, 01:41 AM

I have the eibachs with my winter setup, 225/45/18 Blizzaks on stock wheels and I rub a little now.

AutoXRacer

12-10-2008, 02:08 PM

Has anyone raced with these yet; autocross or track?
I'm wondering how they perform in a racing environment...

kneedragger241

01-04-2009, 06:35 PM

That does look pretty low, I wonder if it has to do with the 8" wide wheel with a 225/45 tire. That extra sidewall height may make the gap seem smaller. I went with a 225/40 on mine.

I'm running 18x8 225/45 on my car as well, and it really does fill the wheel gap quite a bit.
I've had some rubbing issues, so I will definitely need to roll the fenders if I go with these springs.

Remspeed3

01-05-2009, 12:11 AM

boosted3

01-05-2009, 12:26 AM

I have a pro-kit that will be coming off my car on Friday. They've been on about 6k miles and I'll make you a screaming deal on them.

Pm if you're interested.

CWPspeed3

01-05-2009, 01:19 AM

I have a pro-kit that will be coming off my car on Friday. They've been on about 6k miles and I'll make you a screaming deal on them.

Pm if you're interested.

Howd you like them for those 6k miles? Why are u getting rid of them, are you going to coilovers or something?

boosted3

01-05-2009, 12:48 PM

Yeah, I'm going with coil-overs. The car handles really well with them, but I would like to be able to control my suspension. I've had adjustable suspension on my other cars and I do miss it.

abovie3

01-06-2009, 12:24 AM

with the eibach drop, will i rub with 18x7.5 with a 42 offset?

Remspeed3

01-06-2009, 01:18 AM

Just installed my springs yesterday, so far i love the ride with the stock shocks even, it would be alittle better with the Koni FSD's to help control dampening, but i couldn't wait any longer..the power doesn't overwhelm the suspension anymore so alot less lift when you hammer on it. The drop is perfect, i really wouldn't want the car any lower than it is now. I measured the before and after..before the Fr was a 2'' gap and the Rr was a 1.5''..now the Fr is about 1.25'' and the Rr is an 1.0'' im running the stock 215-45's so if you go 225-40's there will be alittle more. I didn't want coilovers because of my last set on my Vw was nothing but problems and the ride was horrible and yes they were adj. i kept them on the softest setting and still hated the ride quality. Eibach FTW on this car. Well its day 3 and im getting some cracking sounds from the top spring hats i think...not sure why but i plan on pulling them back off next weekend to see what the problem is..i hear it only when i go over the edge of my driveway or the crevices in the pavement, but other wise its noise free, I did kinda notice alittle of the same noise when it was stock but its louder now..hopefully i can go back and realign and check the torque on all the bolts. Anybody else notice the same type of noise?

Kindred

01-06-2009, 10:56 AM

I'm on day 2 with mine and so far so good. Of course it's been raining here the past two days, so it's kinda hard to hear anything other than the rain and various shit on the road getting kicked up under the wheels.

CWPspeed3

01-06-2009, 11:04 AM

Well its day 3 and im getting some cracking sounds from the top spring hats i think...not sure why but i plan on pulling them back off next weekend to see what the problem is..i hear it only when i go over the edge of my driveway or the crevices in the pavement, but other wise its noise free, I did kinda notice alittle of the same noise when it was stock but its louder now..hopefully i can go back and realign and check the torque on all the bolts. Anybody else notice the same type of noise?

Nope, mine doesnt make any kind of noises like that, in the cold the front dash rattles like crazy and i had some stuff in my trunk so the seat down rattled but nothing from the springs or suspension.

Remspeed3

01-06-2009, 05:05 PM

with the eibach drop, will i rub with 18x7.5 with a 42 offset?Possibly but I haven't tried wider wheels/tires on mine yet, the amount of clearance is minimal tho, i'd suggest rolling the rears anyway to avoid cutting your tires if you need to load your car down with stuff.;)

abovie3

01-06-2009, 09:47 PM

yeah i was thinkin to roll the rears just in case, thinking about getting these once spring rolls around.

mazdaspeed32007

01-07-2009, 01:27 PM

CWPspeed3

01-07-2009, 01:38 PM

if i put on these springs with i believe i have a 225/7.5/18 or something liek that i should just be able to throw the bad boys on and be set?

forgetting the mechanical rule that nothings wrong but probably is.

That setup should be fine, I'm running a 225/40 on the stock 18x7 and come spring will be on a 18x7.5. I've been hearing people say they rub with 225/45 though.

fructus

01-07-2009, 03:55 PM

Yes, 225/45 do rub occasionally.

mazdaspeed32007

01-07-2009, 03:59 PM

That setup should be fine, I'm running a 225/40 on the stock 18x7 and come spring will be on a 18x7.5. I've been hearing people say they rub with 225/45 though.

im not sure the offset thats why i left that out. ill have to check. i hope its a 40 for the sake of me just wanting to do the old throw it on and be set.

mazdaspeed32007

01-07-2009, 04:00 PM

Yes, 225/45 do rub occasionally.

how....occasionally. i live in MA and some of the roads are well....sub par. would i be looking at rubbage over the acute bumps or the roller coaster humps? no rhyme intended

CWPspeed3

01-07-2009, 04:03 PM

im not sure the offset thats why i left that out. ill have to check. i hope its a 40 for the sake of me just wanting to do the old throw it on and be set.

you mean a 40 series sidewall? hopefully the offset isnt +40. stock is +53 and the book speced range is +45 to +60.

Kindred

01-07-2009, 10:38 PM

Just thought I'd post some before and after close up shots with a tape measure from the install this past Sunday in case anybody wants to see.

Front Before and After:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/doubleAron/MS3/Front-BEFORE.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/doubleAron/MS3/Front-AFTER.jpg

Rear Before and After:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/doubleAron/MS3/Rear-BEFORE.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/doubleAron/MS3/Rear-AFTER.jpg

Eibachs on the left, Stock on the right

Front:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/doubleAron/MS3/frontsprings.jpg

Rear:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/doubleAron/MS3/rearsprings.jpg

kneedragger241

01-07-2009, 10:42 PM

Thanks! Those are helpful.

AutoXRacer

01-08-2009, 09:03 AM

fructus

01-08-2009, 10:36 AM

You do have to compress eibachs as well. The frustrating part of the install is reinserting the front struts, as even with the antiseize they don't really wanna go back in.

CWPspeed3

01-08-2009, 10:46 AM

You do have to compress eibachs as well. The frustrating part of the install is reinserting the front struts, as even with the antiseize they don't really wanna go back in.

I thought the front struts went in a lot easier than they came out. I didnt use anti-seize though.

To confirm yes the fronts need to be compressed to be removed.

Kindred

01-08-2009, 11:01 AM

double A-ron, how long did the install take? Did you run into and complications or frustrations?

Did you have to use a spring compressor to install the Eibachs?

Reason I ask is when I installed springs on my last car, I needed a compress to remove the stockers and the new springs did not need them.

Thanks for the info!!!

I think Sok07 who helped with the install said the time breakdown was 2 hours for the front and 1.5 for the rear. It was my first time working on such an install, so my noobishness with it all, may have made it take a bit longer. And as others have said, yes, you need a compressor for the fronts.

I thought the front struts went in a lot easier than they came out. I didnt use anti-seize though.

I agree, it was a pain in the ass getting the fronts out and it was much easier getting them back in.

AutoXRacer

01-08-2009, 11:06 AM

So just to be clear:

Front dis-assembly: requires spring compressor
Front install: requires spring compressor

What about the rears?

Rear dis-assembly: ?
Rear install: ?

fructus

01-08-2009, 11:25 AM

I don't know whether there's a technique to reinsert them, but I did have a hard time doing that. Taking them out though was pretty easy using lots of PB blaster and the scissors jack after.
The rear install is as easy as installing the RSB, and you don't need the compressors for that.
By the way, regarding the compressors, you can rent them out for as long as you wish from Autozone. And, guess what, the rent is free. You leave $50 deposit and you collect it back upon the return.

Kindred

01-08-2009, 11:28 AM

So just to be clear:

Front dis-assembly: requires spring compressor
Front install: requires spring compressor

What about the rears?

Rear dis-assembly: ?
Rear install: ?

The rears do not require a compressor at all.

CWPspeed3

01-08-2009, 11:33 AM

As stated the rears are simple, did them in maybe 30min on a lift, no compressor required.

Remspeed3

01-08-2009, 12:40 PM

My fronts came out pretty easy, I used a spindle spreader tool that i had to use with my MKIV GTI, it had the same slot in the rear of the front spindle as the Mazda. Here's the part if your curious http://www.ecstuning.com/stage/edpd/pagebuild_v2.cgi?make=Volkswagen&engine=1.8T&model=Golf%20IV&submodel=&category=Tools&subcategory=Suspension Its simple to use, just insert the tip at the bottom of the strut and turn to the flat side of the bit and it stays put..opens the spindle right up without having to use the jack method.

mazdaspeed32007

01-08-2009, 01:10 PM

you mean a 40 series sidewall? hopefully the offset isnt +40. stock is +53 and the book speced range is +45 to +60.

srry....mis-type. thinking one thing typing another.

AutoXRacer

01-08-2009, 01:43 PM

I had a brain fart... (doh) Yeah, the MS3 has separate spring shock setup...
I just help my little brother install springs and his setup is spring over shock (coilover style) on the rears...

Remspeed3

01-10-2009, 12:57 AM

Well its day 3 and im getting some cracking sounds from the top spring hats i think...not sure why but i plan on pulling them back off next weekend to see what the problem is..i hear it only when i go over the edge of my driveway or the crevices in the pavement, but other wise its noise free, I did kinda notice alittle of the same noise when it was stock but its louder now..hopefully i can go back and realign and check the torque on all the bolts. Anybody else notice the same type of noise?

Realigned the top hat on the drivers side..the bottom nipple was more than half way around from the rear align point..which is way off, passenger side was ok..now its pretty much completely noise free..thats what rushing got me, A BIG do over!(braindead