got money..want horsepower

[evanisonfire]

so i got about $1200 canadian and i want to know what i should buy to get some good horsepower. i have everything under the hood basically stock except for a boost conrol. i was thinking of getting the CXRacing FMIC kit off of ebay becuase that will save me alot of money. but what next? should i get a gt28? let me know what u guys think (i know i can probably search and find the answer but i figure id give u guys something new to reply to :p)

[Patrickenator]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123677826
here it is dude. Start with this stuff and go from there...with 1200 you can get started, thats about how much have invested partswise...and all i have installed is the Vibrant and some motor mounts lol. (couple more things to add but not til they are supported..)

[evanisonfire]

sweet thanx man

[mx-p5]

canadian money isn't real, so you won't get much



lol


j/k


Are you just wanting raw power or reliable power? what mods have you already got?

[evanisonfire]

well its a daily driver so i want some good reliable power. right now i have no engine mods other than a boost control

[mx-p5]

keep the boost dialed down if you don't want to spend that $1200 on a new block.

the link provided is a great place to start.

One other thing, if you're patient, keep checking the For Sale section on this site

Unreal deals can be had

Same parts you buy new can be as much as half the cost or more from some of the guys here

[special--k]

dont cheap out. Its not worth it in the long run. Buy the Turbolife FMIC. There are Dyno graphs that prove it, and there are a lot of people that stand behind them. Im in your boat too, with the CAD sucking and all, but im still going to pick up a Turbolife. just going to wait a week to see if the CAD comes back. For real, under the hood is the last place you want to go cheap.

[special--k]

O ya, +1 on the used section. But also it sucks for us in canada. with your 1200 i would start with the FMIC and a Fuel control unit. SS AFC from PG is the best money i have spent so far.

[evanisonfire]

k sweet. im thinkin the first thing i get will be a FMIC.

[special--k]

how handy are you? do you think you will install everything your self? Where in canada are you coming from?

[mx-p5]

Turbolife is a good bet. I've read nothing but good from thier reviews, other htan you can't relocate the MAF and run a BOV, without cutting pipes.


But that isn't really a mark against them, it's just something they didn't design into it

I think the deposit on a Turbolife is only $100 right now, with total due is like $650 shipped i think?

[turbolife]

Go used on as much as you can.

Catless mid-pipe, or catted with high-flow is great.

I'm partial to an FMIC too ;)

Anything done to the car yet?

I would make sure all basic things are up to speed too, plugs, etc, etc

[mx-p5]

speak-a-the-devil! lol

[shane02pro5]

May want to toss that mbc to the side until everything else is covered!

[evanisonfire]

ya i plan to so all the install myself. i always do on my own vehicles. i live in saskatchewan also. what do u guys know about the CXracing FMIC kits? they are very very low priced on ebay so if they are good i will likely get one of them

[shane02pro5]

Any core that is less than a few hundred bucks will probably be less efficient than the stock sidemount.

[evanisonfire]

well there are a few guys on here that i know have the same CXracing kit and they say it works just fine. but im with u on this one i think. the whole kit is only about $250 bucks and there is no way it can be top end performance at that price. it would almost be a good deal just to buy that kit and use the pipes then buy a quality core lol. cuz the cost of that whole kit is less than what most people pay for pipes.

[shane02pro5]

If your overly anxious on something I think a 2.5" midpipe catless or highflow will make a significant difference. The turbolife fmic is an awesome deal. FMIC kits used to be close to $1k!

[evanisonfire]

i already have a 2.5" catless. ill have the think about that turbolife. its a very nice system and im sure the extra money will be well worth it

[special--k]

Its the best bang for your buck, and once there gone, there going. I dont think he is going to do a 3rd round. I think hes already having trouble getting 20 ppl for this one.

[Ricktalife]

does the turbolife require cutting the front bumper?

[HondaNoMore]

exhaust and hardpipes FTW. mid-pipe at least. and Turbolife is the way to go!!!

[turbolife]

does the turbolife require cutting the front bumper?

Nope!!


well there are a few guys on here that i know have the same CXracing kit and they say it works just fine. but im with u on this one i think. the whole kit is only about $250 bucks and there is no way it can be top end performance at that price. it would almost be a good deal just to buy that kit and use the pipes then buy a quality core lol. cuz the cost of that whole kit is less than what most people pay for pipes.

Link?

Sounds like a kit w/a bunch of universal bends to me...but if it's bolt-on for that price...

[mx-p5]

i'm gonna agree it's abunch a universal bends.

It's worth the money to get the turbolife kit with, what, 2 pipes? lol

Not worth the hassle of getting everything to line up and make sure they all stay sealed

[Ricktalife]

well guys it sounds like the turbolife is the way to go

[special--k]

+1

[evanisonfire]

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=350119009720


thats the link to the kit that i beleive would be the best fit. it is a bunch of universal bends but would that hinder performance at all? let me know what u think about it

[Ricktalife]

well for one that doesn't say it fits the msp and i don't really trust ebay for performance products.

[evanisonfire]

well the guys that have installed the CXracing kit on their cars have told me that is the correct kit for the msp. its a DIY kit so it likely would not say what all it fits. and ya you are right about the ebay performance products but if i can save almost $600 on a FMIC kit and still have nearler the same performance than im willing to risk it lol.

[turbolife]

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=350119009720


thats the link to the kit that i beleive would be the best fit. it is a bunch of universal bends but would that hinder performance at all? let me know what u think about it

My thoughts on the universal eBay kit...


All the pipes are bead rolled on the end. This is a good thing. However, with a universal kit you are going to have to cut pipes to length...so one end will not be bead rolled anymore.
Piping will end up being longer. You questioned if universal bends would hinder performance at all. You won't be able to run as direct with the piping. If you clock your turbo, and run up some pipes a'la 505Zoom...that would be much better



well the guys that have installed the CXracing kit on their cars have told me that is the correct kit for the msp.

Any dyno runs from any of these guys?


if i can save almost $600 on a FMIC kit and still have nearler the same performance than im willing to risk it lol

How much is that seller charging to ship up Canada?

[evanisonfire]

i have not asked the guys about dyno runs so i am not to sure about that. and as for shipping to canada i have not gotten a reply from them but shipping for other similar products to canada is about the same cost as the product. so it will end up being $450-$500 canadian i beleive.

[mx-p5]

$450-500 of Ebay performance vs $600 for proven performance and ease of installation

if it were me, i'd spend the extra coin and do it right from the start

If you do get the ebay setup, keep us updated with the install and end results!!

[evanisonfire]

well the turbolife is 600 american plus shipping in american also. so i i figure it will be close to 800 canadain...well now that i think about that thats only a 300 difference for alot better quality lol. well i supose the ebay kit does come with a BOV but still. i think i might be leaning more towards the turbolife now lol

[mx-p5]

i don't know how much i'd trust that BOV that is included in that kit.

Turbolife is not setup to run a BOV though. So if you were wanting to do that, yo'd have to cut pipes on that setup as well to relocate the MAF and run on BOV

[HondaNoMore]

Turbolife is not setup to run a BOV though. So if you were wanting to do that, yo'd have to cut pipes on that setup as well to relocate the MAF and run on BOV

i was looking at something to solve just that problem the other day :

http://www.perrinperformance.com/shared/images/products/59/269_large.jpg

Perrin made this to work with SSQV and their intercooler (styled identically to Turbolife's). i've seen people VTA without relocating the MAF, and this should be able to work with the Turbolife intercooler setup. i'm just a little concerned with stalling.

[special--k]

Turbolife has the nipple to ad the BOV without cutting and welding. however im pritty sure that you need to relocate the MAF if you want to VTA. There is no way around that without stalling.

[HondaNoMore]

the only reason i think it can be done is because i've seen it before... CitizenPro did it with his Perrin:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/CitizenPro/Perrin_Install6.JPG

see thread here:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123698429

[special--k]

you can do it... for sure... but you will stall. Unless maybe you can tweek the fuel management system... but im not sure.

[evanisonfire]

well where would i relocate the MAF to on the turbolife kit if i wanted a BOV? (i am just thinking of buying the kit so the tubes would be uncut if that makes it easier to relocate)

[special--k]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123723293

ever questing you could have in in this thread... if you take the time to read it. In short, you need to hacksaw the coldpipe roughly 10 inches from the TB and then get some silicone coupliers and just put the MAF there... its really easy. if you look in the thread there are Pics and everything. I plan on doing the same thing once i get my Kit.

[evanisonfire]

seems it would be easiest to just mount the BOV on the hotpipe lol. then i dont gotta worry about MAF distance from the TB and th BOV, i can basically put it anywhere on the coldpipe.

[evanisonfire]

well ofcource i still gotta watch the distance from the TB

[special--k]

ya, it would work. If you read the thread you would see that i inquired about the same thing. If you are looking to do it without welding a flang then you will have to leave it in the "Stock" position on the cold pipe. should still be good tho.

[evanisonfire]

welding a flange isnt a big deal. i would just get the polished aluminum turbolife kit and then just repolish it after it got welded. i guess ill know forsure when i get everything and see how my spaceing works

[special--k]

exactly... there are like 100 ways of setting it all up in the end... so you might even change your mind.

[evanisonfire]

awsome thank you all so much for helping me out with this

[HondaNoMore]

that's what the forum's are for. and put evan out, he doesn't like to be on fire...

[orng1]

Change out the exhaust, the mid pipe on this car is one of the most restrictive pipe that I have seen. That alone will make a great improvement in reliability and performance.

[Ricktalife]

vibrant is probly the best deal you'll find in terms of exhaust.

[steedspeed]

$500 on a nitrous kit?

[orng1]

I thought e said he wanted reliable power. I always say exhaust as I feel the exhaust keeps to much heat in the head and doesn't let it get out.

[evanisonfire]

ya i already have a catless midpipe installed. so i figure fmic is next

[808MP5]

^turbolife

[Ricktalife]

lol we just had a 2-3 page discussion about the turbolife

[protegerider]

by all means if you have the money purchase the turbolife fmic, but i did the ebay intercooler set-up and it worked great.

i attatched some pics, and i got a whole bunch more.

[evanisonfire]

haha ya i got the money so i think turbolife is the way to go

[719prottege]

yea man, everything i heard is turbolife is the shit. i love my CXracing kit, and it pactically fit like it was made for the MSP, just a couple of small cuts. took maybe 1-2 hoursh to install. the BOV that it comes with is fine functionality wise, but it doesnt sound like the authentic GREDDY type-s. maybe ill hit the dyno this week and ill hit you up if i do. i just never had a smic to compare it to, as i was n/a prior to the fimc. i dont really see what would make the turbolife one worth double the cost. its just a bunch of pipes and a core either way right? maybe it is worth double because it takes less time to install, idk.

[HondaNoMore]

less piping, bigger core, proven performance, HUGE pimp factor.

[evanisonfire]

ya man well if u can get send your dyno sheet sometime that would be sweet just so i can compare it with the turbolife (if you want to compare your kit with the turbolife just search on his thread and he has his dynosheet posted with runs before and after the install)

[turbolife]

ya man well if u can get send your dyno sheet sometime that would be sweet just so i can compare it with the turbolife (if you want to compare your kit with the turbolife just search on his thread and he has his dynosheet posted with runs before and after the install)

As a correction, just so the comparison is fair, the runs posted in my thread are the Perrin vs. my kit, not vs. the stock setup.

[evanisonfire]

ooooh ok makes sense lol.

[CitizenPro]

Perrin made this to work with SSQV and their intercooler (styled identically to Turbolife's). i've seen people VTA without relocating the MAF, and this should be able to work with the Turbolife intercooler setup. i'm just a little concerned with stalling.

I did not relocate my MAF, and i rarely ever had any stalling. The same goes for Pirana with the same set-up. The few times it stalled, was when i was lazy in between shifts after giving it a good amount of gas.....and letting the rpm's drop quickly. The car catches it most of time and doesnt let it stall, but every now and then it just gives. Honestly, i didnt mind it....its nothing to be worried about imo. Daily driving it with VTA was not a problem....

[Patrickenator]

except that the turbo is still unwinding at high speeds (potentially) and not getting any oil after you stall...

[Ricktalife]

poor little turbo :(

[orng1]

poor little turbo :(

Poor MSP with such a small turbo...

[special--k]

yea man, everything i heard is turbolife is the shit. i love my CXracing kit, and it pactically fit like it was made for the MSP, just a couple of small cuts. took maybe 1-2 hoursh to install. the BOV that it comes with is fine functionality wise, but it doesnt sound like the authentic GREDDY type-s. maybe ill hit the dyno this week and ill hit you up if i do. i just never had a smic to compare it to, as i was n/a prior to the fimc. i dont really see what would make the turbolife one worth double the cost. its just a bunch of pipes and a core either way right? maybe it is worth double because it takes less time to install, idk.

There can be differences in the Core. just look at the Stock SMIC Vs. Custom SMIC. By your logic nothing should change, because its just a Core and some pipes right?

Wrong, there are a lot of factors: Air Flow, Volume inside the Core+pipes, and the amout of Heat that the core accually disipates. The stock SMIC heat soaks like crazy... that makes it shit. And im sure that a $100 FMIC core is going to heat-soak more then a proven quality product.
just my 2 cents. take it for what its worth.

[Ricktalife]

you get what you pay for. period.

[orng1]

If it were only so easy.

[evanisonfire]

that would be why i scrapped the whole ebay idea lol. for proven performance there is no cheaping out

[evanisonfire]

just put a downpayment on the turbolife! depinately stoked.

[Ricktalife]

congrats!

[special--k]

this dam canadian $ is pissing me OFF!

[evanisonfire]

i just sucked it up and put my downpayment in......... in the short time from now untill then end of the GB our dollar will not gain much ground if any.. a few shitty cents per dollar is not enough to make me back out of a kit that would otherwise cost me well over $1000 lol

[CitizenPro]

except that the turbo is still unwinding at high speeds (potentially) and not getting any oil after you stall...
Lol, the oil doesn't just instantly leave the turbo during the 2 seconds in between stalling and restarting. I'm pretty sure your doing more harm boosting an fs engine to begin with.....poor little mazda rods.