The Official "Engine Bay" Picture Thread

[jam_asian85]

I've seen a couple members with pictures of their engine bays here and there on the forum and thought it would be nice to have a thread for everyone to refer to instead of searching through the sub-forums. Well having said that feel free to post your pictures! :D

I guess I'll start with mine ... yup it's a little messy but it'll do for now (eekdance)

http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp54/jam_asian85_album/EngineBcopy.jpg

[UHATEIT]

not the entire engine bay, but the main noicemaker inside :)
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/3087000-3087999/3087711_83_full.jpg

[ComeBack]

I've seen a couple members with pictures of their engine bays here and there on the forum and thought it would be nice to have a thread for everyone to refer to instead of searching through the sub-forums. Well having said that feel free to post your pictures! :D

I guess I'll start with mine ... yup it's a little messy but it'll do for now (eekdance)


What did you use to paint the piping i like alot =]

[jam_asian85]

What did you use to paint the piping i like alot =]

It's powdercoated wrinkle black ^-^

[b-ron]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/Sarah396/IMG_0001.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/Sarah396/IMG_0002.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/Sarah396/IMG_0003.jpg

[IDRVSLO]

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/4351/img0889dq2.jpg

[jam_asian85]

^^^ I knew I would attract you to post in here ;) your engine bay actually inspired me to start this thread. You sir, have a well kept engine bay.

[IDRVSLO]

LOL thanks! I could not resist.

[madvillian]

tip of the hat to you, idrvslo, you're engine bay is very admirable.

[jayspeed3]

^^^Damn thing has a L/A Intercooler!!!

Here is mine:

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk186/2008jayspeed3/_MG_6159_Final.jpg

[Kain]

jam_asian85: love the PC'd valve cover.


I don't have as many engine bay mods as most of you guys, but mine's clean at least.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Kain/ms3_10-06-08_04.jpg

[DaleNixon]

Placeholder for when my HKS intake finally arrives. (headbang) Ken, HAAAAAALP!

[AutoEuphoria]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/Sarah396/IMG_0002.jpg

Is that an open port on your valve cover?

[b-ron]

no the smart guy that i am snapped one of the bolts

[sleeper3]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/seeyounever/The%20Z/thecar2.jpg

yayyy go fast parts!

[magnumP5]

You MS3 guys too good for the rest of us?

"Original" Current Engine Bay Pictures Thread (http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123639907)

[sleeper3]

You MS3 guys too good for the rest of us?

"Original" Current Engine Bay Pictures Thread (http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123639907)

Yes.

[08cosmic3]

Yes.

I was thinking the same thing. LOL

[magnumP5]

*Sigh* Typical MS3 owners (shrug)

[DaleNixon]

No engine mods yet, but here is mine all gutted so I could get to the tranny fill hole.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/2974195221_9d6046bd7d_b.jpg

[954_ms3]

*Sigh* Typical MS3 owners (shrug)

i lawl'd

[Jasnall]

I need to take a full bay picture, but here's a teaser.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/jasnall/255965.jpg

[controlo]

i lawl'd

as did i.

[madvillian]

heres a shitty one, but it'll do for now.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a235/tylerstuntz0/5.jpg

[BSTD3]

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k159/nopstnz/REDBLUR/TurboSmart%20BOV/DSC02195.jpg

[sleeper3]

*Sigh* Typical MS3 owners (shrug)

I think it's warranted;)

[Bravnik]

Here is mine :)

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9300/dsc07520ch6.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc07520ch6.jpg)

[justanothermp5]

nice walmart devil/angel thing lol

[blue-sun]

Bone stock except for a drop in K & N filter (though not in this pic)

http://blue-sun.net/Pics/MS3/MS3-Images/3.jpg

[sleeper3]

awe that makes me remember when I first got my car!

[SPEEDYHANS]

here my
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/EGhansel/2_3L_DISI_Turbo_by_Johnny23xx.jpg

[boosted1]

Engine Bay Pic.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e95/KeithGTP/HPIM0082.jpg

[DaleNixon]

Here's mine as of now. Next mods I'm getting are Forge BPV and (possibly) Redline hood lifts.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/3022321857_4d0e032a45_b.jpg

[oaklandopen]

Bone stock except for a drop in K & N filter (though not in this pic)

http://blue-sun.net/Pics/MS3/MS3-Images/3.jpg

guess mine can fit right in with yours...i have also done just a k&n filter, got 5 more cfm than stock filter. just substitue white with black

[RichB]

thought I would revive this thread

http://i549.photobucket.com/albums/ii398/Rich_B1521/My%20Mazdaspeed%203/IMG_0242.jpg

[RichB]

I noticed a few people have the ATP FMIC Kit. it looks nice in the engine bay but what about the fitament and performance?

[Fenrir]

Here's mine brand new home from the dealer:
http://www.rirnef.net/images/ms3/enginenew.jpghttp://www.rirnef.net/images/ms3/enginenew.JPG

And again when after SRI installation, only engine mod right now :P
http://rirnef.net/images/ms3/sri/sri1.jpg
Yeah, it's dirty. I need to clean it up :P

[08cosmic3]

I'll help bring this thread back from the dead. I recently added the boost tubes and the Cobb Turbo Inlet, combined with the Cobb intake it adds a touch of color under the hood. I'm going to get blue coolant hoses when it comes time to change out the coolant fluid.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg70/scottyskywalker/DSCF6127.jpg

[Mazdanspeed]

Here is mine....
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i127/digidan13/005.jpg
(Kink is no more)
Need to clean! ASAP!

[RichB]

I'd try and put a 90 Deg fitting on that Breather hose right where it is kinked. They are like 3 bucks at Advance Auto or Autozone.

[ComeBack]

Here is mine....
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i127/digidan13/005.jpg
(Kink is no more)
Need to clean! ASAP!

wrx/sti bpv???????

[squidmotion]

Bone stock except for a drop in K & N filter (though not in this pic)

http://blue-sun.net/Pics/MS3/MS3-Images/3.jpg


you and i, sir, have identical cars. :)

did you notice any extra noise with the k&n? i didn't... seems as quiet as before. most of the cars i put a k&n filter on make a lot more intake noise.

[strytnyne]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt119/Strytnyne/bay.jpg

[Wastegate13]

wrx/sti bpv???????

1G DSM.

[H3br3w_Ham3r]

Question.... If you get an aftermarket TMIC will it fit under the stock cover? I know the ETS comes in different sizes and probably wouldn't

[scatt nasty]

No, it wont.

Jamasian -- What is that type of shield covering your intake manifold and where the hell do I get one ?

[martyxcore]

Here is mine :)

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9300/dsc07520ch6.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc07520ch6.jpg)

holy huge hotside pipe batman

[sleeper3]

No, it wont.

Jamasian -- What is that type of shield covering your intake manifold and where the hell do I get one ?

Buy this (http://www.bellengineering.net/product_info.php?cPath=1_31&products_id=213)

[RichB]

Can a CAI fit with that kit?

[Retrobmx63]

Question.... If you get an aftermarket TMIC will it fit under the stock cover? I know the ETS comes in different sizes and probably wouldn't

Even if you got it to fit by cutting or cramming it. There's no way to bolt it down like stock. You'd have to figure out another way. Zip ties, elmers, or Mighty Putty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_4a4O7kXQo)

[RichB]

you have sold me on Mighty Putty!!!!

[DaleNixon]

Current Shot:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3413/3316675566_2c84fecd73_b.jpg

[08cosmic3]

How's the performance gain Dale?

[DaleNixon]

Down low torque is improved, BATs appear healthier (will datalog to confirm). Overall BIG thumbs up! I don't really go WOT ever, but this gives the car a bit more grunt when cruising around the city.

[08cosmic3]

I go WOT everyday. Drive it like I stole it.

[DaleNixon]

I can count the times I've gone WOT on one hand. I'll probably be venturing into that realm more when I get new motor mounts.

[H3br3w_Ham3r]

Idea: That BEGi cold air box they sell doesn't replace the stock hose or anything. It just gives you a new filter. Suppose you buy the box and fit it around a cobb or CPE sri since Cobb won't sell the one they have on their car. Think it would fit?

[djza2u1]

old pic, but still good

[blackdragon0731]

Here's mine: COBB SRI and HKS SSQV Black Limited

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/blackdragon0731/Mazdaspeed%203/Photo0090.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/blackdragon0731/Mazdaspeed%203/Photo0087.jpg

[SallySpeed3]

jam_asian85: love the PC'd valve cover.


I don't have as many engine bay mods as most of you guys, but mine's clean at least.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Kain/ms3_10-06-08_04.jpg

Wow, I love that metallic cover with the red MazdaSpeed letters. I know the post is months old, but I just came across it, and I need something like that. Makes the engine bay look really nice, except I would want blue letters. Please tell.

[Kain]

Wow, I love that metallic cover with the red MazdaSpeed letters. I know the post is months old, but I just came across it, and I need something like that. Makes the engine bay look really nice, except I would want blue letters. Please tell.

Got it offa eBay. Do a search for "fuse cover mazdaspeed" and I'm sure you'll find some. The company that makes them offers the "MAZDASPEED" portion in different colors. The red matches True Red exactly.

[blackdragon0731]

didnt find it on ebay, googled it, its on MRZ.com or something like that... its kinda nifty.

[SallySpeed3]

Awesome, thanks guys, hopefully it's not too expensive but its a nice touch to the engine bay. thanks again.

[RichB]

Here's mine: COBB SRI and HKS SSQV Black Limited

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/blackdragon0731/Mazdaspeed%203/Photo0090.jpg


That HKS BOV Interfere with your TMIC cover?

[DaleNixon]

I painted my ETS TMIC shroud black.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/3336465631_2c06687d4a.jpg

[steven88]

looks real sharp dale...and so does the amsoil blue and cobb :)

[DaleNixon]

Thanks! Unfortunately the hood gasket has begun removing the paint where it contacts. Oh well it made for some pretty pictures before I closed the hood.

[Jacobra]

looks P I M P

[DaleNixon]

Thanks! My solution to the rubbing problem was to order a black anodized shroud from ETS! I'll snap more pics when I get that bad boy on!

[RichB]

Thanks! My solution to the rubbing problem was to order a black anodized shroud from ETS! I'll snap more pics when I get that bad boy on!

how much that shroud run you? and how are we on all of the same posts today?

[DaleNixon]

You follow me around man!

I think they're charging me $60 + shipping... total will be around $72.

[Renzokuken]

This is basically what it looked like before i revamped it. Ill update it when its ready.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/Marivic007/ROXYatNight024-1.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/Marivic007/Picture021.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/Marivic007/Picture019.jpg

[RichB]

what are your new mod plans?

[sleeper3]

I wish you had left the shroud black:(

[PaPaSpeed]

Ok, here's my contribution to the E bay thread:

[08cosmic3]

Ok, here's my contribution to the E bay thread:

That sure is a purdy engine bay.

[SallySpeed3]

Not too many mods, but it's slowly getting there. Next up is a silver/blue turbosmart dual blowoff valve, and SU TMIC

[PaPaSpeed]

Not too many mods, but it's slowly getting there. Next up is a silver/blue turbosmart dual blowoff valve, and SU TMIC

Looks good, like the fuse cover.

[08SPEED3Veteran]

not too many mods, but more are on the way.

146700

146701

[dizzin9]

mods? what mods?

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h255/jatkins6969/Mazda/dznms3-engine7.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h255/jatkins6969/Mazda/dznms3-engine5.jpg

[jezterr]

you guys ever hose down the engine bay after spraying it with degreaser? i heard that's how a lot of folks clean their bays. i'm too scurred to do it.

[Fenrir]

you guys ever hose down the engine bay after spraying it with degreaser? i heard that's how a lot of folks clean their bays. i'm too scurred to do it.

That's actually a good question. Anyone have any other tips or tricks on how to get the bay nice and shiny? I'm going to want to do this before I head to Indiana and have my car on display to everyone :P

[dandydaniel]

That's actually a good question. Anyone have any other tips or tricks on how to get the bay nice and shiny? I'm going to want to do this before I head to Indiana and have my car on display to everyone :P

make sure you cover your fusebox/ecu/any wires with a trashbag and tape it down. dilute ur apc, spray it on, let it sit for like 10-15 minutes, agitate with brush, then spray it down with some high pressured water. dry it off and coat with whatever plastic polish you guys use.

[sleeper3]

Don't spray degreaser on your engine and let it sit if the block is warm! trust me you will regret it!

[kilik2]

Here is mine ...forgot to put batt cover back on before taking picture.
I know its not clean and I will probably dress it up later on I have been in and out of the engine bay so much the last 2 weeks that I don't feel like scrubbing.
edit: apparently all of my nice pics are too large ...gheysauce
edit2: just noticed my windshield wiper fluid cap is not on all the way...

[djza2u1]

an upadated one
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt214/djza2u1/speed%203/DSCN0488.jpg
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt214/djza2u1/speed%203/DSCN0486.jpg

[sleeper3]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/seeyounever/The%20Z/Engine2.jpg

New go fast parts :)

[RichB]

How do you like the Cobb FMIC?

[sleeper3]

I love it. It looks sick. Only problem is that they sent it with two dents in one of the pipes. I'm waiting for an answer from Cobb on what they want to do to make this right. Shouldn't be a huge deal to make an extra pipe and ship it out. We'll see.

[Sport6]

an upadated one
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt214/djza2u1/speed%203/DSCN0488.jpg
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt214/djza2u1/speed%203/DSCN0486.jpg


Isn't it better to run with the intercooler cover on? It provides a sealing area so no air can just go by the intercooler, so it directs more air into it. Also the little grate cross pieces are angled to pull more air into it as well. But the biggest part would be the sealing area.

[djza2u1]

Isn't it better to run with the intercooler cover on? It provides a sealing area so no air can just go by the intercooler, so it directs more air into it. Also the little grate cross pieces are angled to pull more air into it as well. But the biggest part would be the sealing area.

I just took the pic after i put the boost tubes on, I run with the cover on.

[DaleNixon]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3385/3419134343_ce712c848e_b.jpg

I put my HKS intake back in. I was sick of my fucked up fuel trims from the Cobb. It looks like a Christmas party in my engine bay!

[08cosmic3]

What problem have you had with the Cobb intake? I have a Aeroforce scan gauge on it's way so I can not yet see what my fuel trims are but my car pulls hard.

[PaPaSpeed]

I put my HKS intake back in. I was sick of my fucked up fuel trims from the Cobb. It looks like a Christmas party in my engine bay![/QUOTE]

Looks nice. Is that black powdercoat on the shroud? How's it holding up?

[RichB]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3385/3419134343_ce712c848e_b.jpg

I put my HKS intake back in. I was sick of my fucked up fuel trims from the Cobb. It looks like a Christmas party in my engine bay!

I like your TMIC. I'm thinking of getting an ETS with the intercooler and the shroud powdercoated black.

[DaleNixon]

What problem have you had with the Cobb intake? I have a Aeroforce scan gauge on it's way so I can not yet see what my fuel trims are but my car pulls hard.

Dude it's ridiculous. Lately my car was idling between 13:1 and 15:1 AFR with STFTs going all over the damn place. The final straw was yesterday when I noticed my STFTs were bouncing up to +24 when coasting to a stop.

I was working with Cobb trying to get a handle on the fuel trim problems (sending them data logs and stuff), but they eventually completely ignored me.

As an added bonus, when I removed the Cobb SRI, my damn Cobb turbo inlet sleeve was crushed from the clamp. Cobb should have included better sleeves with this inlet. Oh, the MAF housing was slightly bent from the clamps as well. And I honestly didn't tighten them super tight.

Looks nice. Is that black powdercoat on the shroud? How's it holding up?

It's anodized black from ETS. I ordered it when I realized the shroud that came with my used ETS was cut too short and my black duplicolor paint job on it was a disaster anyway.

I like your TMIC. I'm thinking of getting an ETS with the intercooler and the shroud powdercoated black.

Highly recommended (2thumbs)

[sleeper3]

Wow, I have the cobb inlet and SRI too. I guess I will start watching my fuel trims...

[speed3driver]

http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss94/speed3driver/CIMG0603.jpg
http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss94/speed3driver/CIMG0600.jpg
http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss94/speed3driver/CIMG0602.jpg

[SHAGwagn]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3385/3419134343_ce712c848e_b.jpg

I put my HKS intake back in. I was sick of my fucked up fuel trims from the Cobb. It looks like a Christmas party in my engine bay!

i thought the shroud came powder coated from ETS? All the websites that sell them have powder coating as an option.

[DaleNixon]

The shroud is anodized.

[SHAGwagn]

how do i get that as an option? call ETS? I was just quoting what SU, PG and CS have on their sites. No need to be short (drinks)

[SHAGwagn]

anyone know if powder coating the end tanks will retain heat and make the TMIC inefficient? Im really digging that black and red setup for my TR.

[DaleNixon]

I called ETS directly and orderd a new black shroud from them. They told me they anodize. The one I painted ended in disaster. It's possible ********** does the powdercoating themselves on their TMIC. From what I've read, even rattle can spray paint on an intercooler won't affect BATs in any appreciable way.

[SHAGwagn]

kool that makes sense and is a possibility..is the TMIC u bought the same price directly through ETS? Thanks Dale

[SHAGwagn]

seems they are a bunch of liars...this is their website (dunno)

[RichB]

If you call them and ask about coloring options they say they anodize as well. This is a custom coloring option that is better and more expensive that powdercoating.

[djza2u1]

New bay:
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt214/djza2u1/DSCN0600.jpg
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt214/djza2u1/DSCN0597.jpg

[08SPEED3Veteran]

cobb fmic FTW(cabpatch)

[kilik2]

djza..looking good man. I want to go with red and black couplers for my engine bay as soon as I get my cpe fmic.

[DaleNixon]

kool that makes sense and is a possibility..is the TMIC u bought the same price directly through ETS? Thanks Dale

I bought my TMIC used from a forum member. I'm not sure what the pricing's like these days.

[RichB]

If you order the TMIC from ETS online they will charge you shipping. Call them and they will give you free shipping therefore the same price as PG and SU

[AB Chief]

this one is mine. still more to come.

[SHAGwagn]

If you order the TMIC from ETS online they will charge you shipping. Call them and they will give you free shipping therefore the same price as PG and SU

Good to know! U wudnt happen to know how much the charge to anodize would u? Im lookin to get the red/black version that SU has on their site for +$139.

[SHAGwagn]

this one is mine. still more to come.
Street unit 3.5?

[RichB]

Good to know! U wudnt happen to know how much the charge to anodize would u? Im lookin to get the red/black version that SU has on their site for +$139.

When I was talking to them they said to Anodize the intercooler it would cost $80. Their color options are Black, Blue, Red, and Gold.

[SHAGwagn]

When I was talking to them they said to Anodize the intercooler it would cost $80. Their color options are Black, Blue, Red, and Gold.

Wow that's pretty cheap compared to SU's powerdercoating. So I could get the shroud and endtanks anodized for 80? Sorry for asking u so many Qs, I'm in Asia and it's 4 bucks a min to call the states.

Red andodized is the one that comes off as pink right? Maybe I cud have them anodize the shroud black then I just hit the end tanks with high temp engine paint after some taping. I assume it wudnt get fucked up since nothing sits on the endtanks to seal.

[kilik2]

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww135/kilik2/intercooler%20paint/21035.jpg

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww135/kilik2/intercooler%20paint/21031.jpg

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww135/kilik2/intercooler%20paint/21028.jpg

[08cosmic3]

It's Deja Vu all over again.

[kilik2]

haha..I know right. I don't think boost wants to sell me his mani and fmic so I will keep posting these until I get that installed.

[RichB]

Wow that's pretty cheap compared to SU's powerdercoating. So I could get the shroud and endtanks anodized for 80? Sorry for asking u so many Qs, I'm in Asia and it's 4 bucks a min to call the states.

Red andodized is the one that comes off as pink right? Maybe I cud have them anodize the shroud black then I just hit the end tanks with high temp engine paint after some taping. I assume it wudnt get fucked up since nothing sits on the endtanks to seal.

Yea I think they said $60 for powedercoating as well.

Red anodized does come off as pink I believe but I'm not sure.

[AllLostThings]

Bam

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq247/Rwil77/100_1786.jpg

[8.5MS3]

My engine, now the filter is an awesome purple since i used a K&N filter recharge kit

[SHAGwagn]

oldy but goody...my old turbo p5

[SallySpeed3]

My engine, now the filter is an awesome purple since i used a K&N filter recharge kit

Might be a complete noob question, but what is that mini-filter/cylinder thing next to your intake?

[8.5MS3]

Might be a complete noob question, but what is that mini-filter/cylinder thing next to your intake?

its an equivalent of a catch can. It replaces the PCV pipe that runs from the valvecover back into the intake (1" hole on the side of the Cobb SRI). Doing it this way ensures that absolutely no oil vapor gets into the intake whatsoever. the filter just allows the pressure to escape to the atmosphere without getting oil all over the place

[Element]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/Elementality987/Mazdaspeed3%20Mods/P7150939.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/Elementality987/Mazdaspeed3%20Mods/P7150954.jpg

Pictures are after I stripped most of my aftermarket parts today. All that is left is the Forge BPV, Corksport TP, MS CAI, and RPMC Turbo Inlet.

[kilik2]

are you parting out or are you going to the stealership?

[Element]

are you parting out or are you going to the stealership?

Parting out. I bought a new toy and my Speed3 will move to my daily driver. I wanted something that was going to be reliable and worry free. I was heavily modded with pretty much all bolt-ons except the turbo manifold. All these popped motor threads had me a little paranoid lol.

[Hank3]

Element - what do you use to shine up the black bits (plastic and hoses) in the engine bay?

[kilik2]

Well, do you want to sell your garage vary front lip? maybe?

[leadf00t]

Nice detail job on the engine bay Element !!

[MaikuMS3]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/Elementality987/Mazdaspeed3%20Mods/P7150939.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/Elementality987/Mazdaspeed3%20Mods/P7150954.jpg

Pictures are after I stripped most of my aftermarket parts today. All that is left is the Forge BPV, Corksport TP, MS CAI, and RPMC Turbo Inlet.

are you selling your parts?

[Element]

Element - what do you use to shine up the black bits (plastic and hoses) in the engine bay?

I used an engine detailing spray from Turtle Wax. Works great in restoring the black bits.

Well, do you want to sell your garage vary front lip? maybe?

I was planning on keeping it. Just the performance stuff is what I removed. If I do decide to part ways with it, I'll let you know.

Nice detail job on the engine bay Element !!

Thanks!

are you selling your parts?

I will be soon. Just going to clean everything up, and I will be making a big FS thread sometime soon.