motortrend tests the 09 wrx...

[AAMguy]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/112_0810_2009_subaru_impreza_wrx_test/index.html

Cliffnotes:

0-30: 1.6 sec.
0-60: 4.8
1/4mile: 13.5 @ 101.1mph....only 1/10 slower than the 08 STI

[mazdaspeedster3]

Sounds impressive. To bad it looks like it does... I wanted a WRX so bad. I had settled in 2000 for a Y2K civic, 3 weeks later the WRX came out. I was pissed. I hunted after one for a long time but could NOT justify that 27k sticker price. Then the speed came out, it was settled! I dont care if it is faster, it should be, you pay more for it!

[AAMguy]

Not that much more though....

hmm I think the wife may need a new car.

[F430TECH]

Almost 29,000 as tested?

Still an Ugly Fooker too...not bad though at least its an improvement.

This means the next STi has to be just downright mean...oh and 45,000 I am sure...

history repeats itself once again a the japanese turbo cars die off from people not being abele to afford them once more...

[AAMguy]

Yea becuause it had every feature on it. You can get a base model for 25k.

I am sure the new sti is going to be a beast most like 330+ hp.

[mazdaspeedster3]

Pricing isnt out yet is it? No way a base WRX is going to be 25k, last years wasnt, why would the upgraded one be? The Impreza GT (last years WRX) will be 25k.

[AAMguy]

its on subaru website, u can build them.

starts at 24,995...so 25k

not that bad...


http://www.subaru.com/shop/overview.jsp?model=IMPREZAWRX&trim=WRX&command=overview

[mazdaspeedster3]

Yep, just looked. 24995 then 695 destination... $500 for the 5 door though. LOL... That impreza 2.5 GT is 26-28. That is strange. You start getting into options on that WRX though to match a speed3 GT and you are up there. Still cheaper than the outgoing WRX. You are going to see them every where now.

[SwampAss]

the posts at the end of that article make me weep for future generations.

[AAMguy]

Yea but I still like the suby more, but I am content with the mazda.

Its been awhile since subaru has stepped up there game, if the sti is going to be a pontent as I hope it will be I may just have to pick one up and sell all the project cars.

[souper]

I'm starting to wish I held off on the Mazda just a tad longer. I keep having to remind myself that it's 5k cheaper + better interior.

[mazdaspeedster3]

It will be interesting to see how quickly these flood the streets. Going to steal that Cobalt business with the price so low. Why didnt they price them like this 5 years ago damnit!?

[SwampAss]

that's an insane price for a sub 5 second 0-60 car. When I first started driving, 7-8 second 0-60 was fooking fast.

the 16V sciroccos and GTIs were the shit!

[AAMguy]

its what makes a subaru.

a subaru.

[mazdaspeedster3]

The price? Ouch... LOL...

[15min5k]

that's an insane price for a sub 5 second 0-60 car. When I first started driving, 7-8 second 0-60 was fooking fast.

the 16V sciroccos and GTIs were the shit!

Yeah I wonder how long that drive train will last with the launches required to get below 5sec 0-60. My guess is not long.

[SwampAss]

If they can keep engines from falling out, they've got one up on Mazda. (glare)

[powderider87]

Yeah I wonder how long that drive train will last with the launches required to get below 5sec 0-60. My guess is not long.

Exactly, ive seen people blow there axle's launching to hard on youtube, and its gotta be hard on the clutch too? But yea those times are quick, id like to be in one when launching and feel it!

[coololddude]

MS3 powertrain is 3 yrs. old. still hangs with the latest! MS3, still cool after all these years. i just wet my pants!!

[mazdaspeedster3]

Exactly, ive seen people blow there axle's launching to hard on youtube, and its gotta be hard on the clutch too? But yea those times are quick, id like to be in one when launching and feel it!

Feel what?(lol2)

[mckraut]

Impressive numbers actually. Should give us a run for our money.

[SPEED3TYPE2]

we would be in those numbers if 4whd..

[gtlaw]

if I didn't already have the MS3 I would probably get one of those

[Retrobmx63]

the posts at the end of that article make me weep for future generations.

Agreed. That was almost as bad as reading youtube comments...

[TRDMS3]

WRX HAD to step up the game as it was expected...I see some folks jump the gun and choose the 09 Rex over MS3 if they were asked right now just cuzz it's a tad faster AND it's AWD.
I stand strong behind my little red hatch Rex's imo new ext. design is dreadful, biggest drawback, ms3s are so much more sleeker looking, oh there's another hatch comin out with 10 more hp and tenth of a second faster like next month so wait up if u wanna chase the fastest pocket rocket of the month trend. (wedge) (lol2)

[souper]

oh there's another hatch comin out with 10 more hp and tenth of a second faster like next month so wait up if u wanna chase the fastest pocket rocket of the month trend. (wedge) (lol2)
Which car is this? *puts on running shoes*

[ZooMIN3]

Which car is this? *puts on running shoes*

2010 AWD 450hp/525whp MS3..(boom04)(cheers)

[souper]

2010 AWD 450hp/525whp MS3..(boom04)(cheers)
whp = wet horsepower? What do women and the 2010 MS3 have in common?

[ZooMIN3]

whp = wet horsepower? What do women and the 2010 MS3 have in common?(wiggle)(rockon)

[stageup]

damn i think this is the new best bang for your buck. u dont need any of the options really, so it is ~26k.
i still think it's ugly as shit, but now that it's price is on par with the ms3 gt, faster, and has awd, i would probably grab one over an ms3 if i were buying right now. i'd deal with the uglyness

[coyfish]

"Its what makes a subaru, a subaru" . . . I take it they speak of the horrific interiors?

When car shopping before I got my 6 i looked at the 08 WRX. Opened the door . . . like a baron desert. My sisters ken and barbie corvette had more functional features. Every exterior and interior designer of subaru needs to be fired. If the car was an sti or an evo then maybe I could deal with the interiors just because of what was under the hood. Even the evo however has racing components in the cockpit. The wrx . . . nothing . . . its like what you would expect from 1998 dodge neon.

I haven't seen the newest wrx interior but I hope they stepped up their game like they stepped up the engine.

[bjjer]

My next car, I love the looks and the new performance sealed the deal. Just have to ride the MS3 out for another couple a years.

[mckraut]

Here's a shot of the interior, for those who are curious.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/07/10_2009_subaru_impreza_wrx.jpg

[souper]

My next car, I love the looks and the new performance sealed the deal. Just have to ride the MS3 out for another couple a years.
I'm with ya... if I can wait the 2 years. I LOVE the speed3 but AWD is where it's at... at least when you live in New England.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

mmmmmmmmm 09 WRX.....Come to Butthead.....

the performance and visual improvements over the 08 are what made me want this car...

We'll take a premium in Satin White Pearl...thanks!

[souper]

Here's a shot of the interior, for those who are curious.
It's not MS3 quality but i'll take it.

[15min5k]

I hear the tranny is weak and no where near strong as the one in the STI. Few good hard 6k launches / mis shifts and bye bye tranny! If I'm gonna spend about 30k on a AWD sport compact it'll be a EVO X GSR (5-speed manual) - Get it tuned via VINSHU for $995.00 and have a car running 12.7@109ish and handling to match.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

no one knows for sure...some slight changes were made to the tranny but it should be able to take just as much abuse as any other tranny...true, its no STi tranny but its also $10k cheaper lol


I hear the tranny is weak and no where near strong as the one in the STI. Few good hard 6k launches / mis shifts and bye bye tranny! If I'm gonna spend about 30k on a AWD sport compact it'll be a EVO X GSR (5-speed manual)

[coyfish]

Yeah im sort of confused as to subaru's goal with this car. The kids spending their parents money like me / people interested with modding and speed are going to go with the STI. Normal DD people who arent necessarily looking for something with crazy power but something with kick and balance like the speed 6 wont go for it either because the interior / plainness for lack of better word . . . yawn.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

I dont think your opinion accounts for the entire countries taste. And the goal of the car is to compete w/ the MS3 & Lancer RalliArt for the most part...if anything its direct competition is only the Lancer...

and the people interested in modding and speed more often than ot go with the WRX and have been for some time...cheaper and can made just as fast.
Yeah im sort of confused as to subaru's goal with this car. The kids spending their parents money like me / people interested with modding and speed are going to go with the STI. Normal DD people who arent necessarily looking for something with crazy power but something with kick and balance like the speed 6 wont go for it either because the interior / plainness for lack of better word . . . yawn.

[mazdaspeedster3]

I beg to differ. With the starting price lower (assuming you can get one without options in the US) and the AWD and upped HP I think sales are going to be good for them. Everyone loves and respects the WRX and this one seems to tie back to what was lost last year. More power, better handling and a much nicer interior. I would consider it if I cared enough to spend over 25k on essentially what is an economy car. I love and respect the fact that my Speed3 only cost me 22k.

[VermZ06]

This just means that other car companies will be stepping up their games as well. We can all thank Subaru for doing this as it will hopefully create more competition and force other competing companies (nudge mazda) to keep upping their games.

[coyfish]

Sorry for the confusion but I was reffering to the older WRX 08 model . . . the one I looked at when car shopping. This new one is much faster but im still not digging the looks.

[mazdaspeedster3]

I dont know... It has taken mazda a LONG time to throw a car into that ring. Now with the Cobalts new output who knows. Mazda isnt saying anything about future speed editions and with the new 3 coming out in 2010 it could be two more years before we see Mazda do anything about this. I would hope Mazda just gets smart and makes the Top 3 model have the DISI option.

[ZooMIN3]

hawtness.... honestly, i can dig it, both the new STi and the WRX.. =D (maybe I should've waited another year to check these bad boys out...lol)

The only reason I didn't get an 08 STi when I picked up my MS3 in the first place; was because how the seats made my buttocks numb... and the fact that the interior was definitely lacking in the gizmo/gadgets department... =\

go Subaru!

[evilmonkeyMSP]

an STi lacking in Gizmos? lol

the dif and Si-Drive seems like a decent amount of gizmos lol

[TRDMS3]

Cmon boys where's the loyalty??? No one said anything like: "I am happy with my purchase and wouldnt trade it for anything else..."
it's just a rally, jump on what's a tenth of a sec faster...
I guess the WRX IS the next flavour of the month...

[bjjer]

Cmon boys where's the loyalty??? No one said anything like: "I am happy with my purchase and wouldnt trade it for anything else..."
it's just a rally, jump on what's a tenth of a sec faster...
I guess the WRX IS the next flavour of the month...

...or fanboism. The WRX is an awesome car (except 2008). Im pissed because I wanted one but when I was car shopping it was when the 2008's were out. And the WRX has been popular since its release here in the States so its hardly the "flavor of the month."

[ZooMIN3]

an STi lacking in Gizmos? lol

the dif and Si-Drive seems like a decent amount of gizmos lol

well... I'm like a go go gadget guru... i like shiny and electronic sparkling things... (guitar) the 08 STi(not the newest STi unless I got the models mixed?) lol was just plain on the inside... nothing that kept me interested really... (whip)

[mckraut]

Cmon boys where's the loyalty??? No one said anything like: "I am happy with my purchase and wouldnt trade it for anything else..."
it's just a rally, jump on what's a tenth of a sec faster...
I guess the WRX IS the next flavour of the month...

It's more than half a second faster in the 0-60, correct?

[15min5k]

It's more than half a second faster in the 0-60, correct?

Yeah if you don't mine dropping the clutch @6grand killing your drivetrain.

During normal every day driving the 09 WRX isn't going to feel/ be any faster than a MS3 except in a drag race IMO.

MS3 Advantage: Power to weight (slightly better)
Torque (280 vs 244) Chassis / Balance

WRX Advantage: Gearing (5 speed; better for the 1/4)
AWD (Great from dig, inclimate weather and exiting corners at the track)

[UHATEIT]

Here's a shot of the interior, for those who are curious.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/07/10_2009_subaru_impreza_wrx.jpg

looks very similar to the ms3:
-accented trim around the dash, red stitching on steering wheel, red stitching on seats, similar carbon style material on center of seats, red lighting, very close to what we have, maybe slightly less in wuality but still looks good

[stageup]

yea i was gonna say their interior looks so similar to us
i'd get one :)

[stockms3]

our shifter is nicer!

[Speed3@UCI]

BOO! its still a 5 speed manual...

[Kain]

BOO! its still a 5 speed manual...

I too am disappointed it's not a CVT.

[AAMguy]

i still dont get wat is sooo amazing about the ms3 interior. a lot of it feels like cheap plastic. granted they use pretty colors and shiny stuff. maybe to me the interior i could care about less.

[ZooMIN3]

i still dont get wat is sooo amazing about the ms3 interior. a lot of it feels like cheap plastic. granted they use pretty colors and shiny stuff. maybe to me the interior i could care about less.

coming from an 98 Chevy Metro,

and then an 01 Ford Focus,

it just seemed like the 08 STi compared to those interiors...

now the MS3 is a big step up from those..lol

like i mentioned though, the 09 Sti's and WRX's are looking delish!(rockon)

[evilmonkeyMSP]

I thought the MS3 interior looked pretty much standard...its looked the ssame since the Mazda 6 came out...big black and plastic lol

[happy and angry]

I too am disappointed it's not a CVT.I'm doing a CVT swap mod for my MS3, actually.

[15min5k]

The interior of the WRX looks more driver oriented, straight forward and raw. I actually like it a lot.

[stageup]

yea if i wasn't going to get raped on trade in, i'd consider getting an 09 wrx right now.

[marffeus]

Having just purchased my Speed3 last week (knowing full and well of the upcoming 09 WRX) I can say that I don't regret the Speed3, but at this point I better never drive an 09 WRX!

I think it will be interesting to see how the powertrain holds up to the new gains (I'm sure it will be fine though, but you never know..)

[ZooMIN3]

its all good peeps... why not just get a good used 02-07 model WRX/STi and hold onto your current MS3? I'm thinking of going that route late next year if at all lol... maybe pick up an EVO at that...

possibilities are endless. =)

[15min5k]

Buy the 09 WRX and 2 years or less later something else "better" will come out. It's a never ending cycle and you'll never be satisfied.

[gtlaw]

Buy the 09 WRX and 2 years or less later something else "better" will come out. It's a never ending cycle and you'll never be satisfied.


unless you bought an evo VIII or IX

[coyfish]

"good used 02-07 model WRX/STi " Thats a paradox. . .

[SwampAss]

Hell, that's 3 of em!

[SwampAss]

I've got a good friend who's thinking about buying one. If/when he does, he's gonna let me beat on it. I'll report back

[ZooMIN3]

"good used 02-07 model WRX/STi " Thats a paradox. . .

You neva know... there is always that slim chance that some owner took very care of his/her WRX/STi; never raced or beat on it; and just so happened to have left it stock. It's doing the researching that'll kill ya(maybe)..lol but I think it'd be worth it. Be it the Evo VIII/IX or STi/WRX.

SwampAss, we'll be waiting on your full 5 page report!! (yippy)

[coyfish]

Yeah good deals are out there but its risky business. People selling the car are not going to tell you they raced it, so its hard for you to know. Just find an old grandma selling a stock evo :).

[ericrapp]

I just started to pay attention to this thread. And I am alittle dissapointed in a lot of you. The NEW wrx was an excellent response by Subaru owners complaints about the interior and lack of performance. And damn good for them I say. I certainly respect the car. But I bought the MazdaSpeed 3 for its design and performance. I will keep this car till i die. And I am delighted every time i get in and go. The Mazda Engineering group did a nice job on this and some such as Road and Track consider it a bit of a benchmark. Of course now the stupid Cobalt is a better handling car and faster but I think the Mazda is a very nice piece all in all and pushed the other manufacturers to keep up or exceed our value and performance. Just my opinion

[ZooMIN3]

Yeah good deals are out there but its risky business. People selling the car are not going to tell you they raced it, so its hard for you to know. Just find an old grandma selling a stock evo :).

lol

yeah I see what you mean, carfax carfax carfax...then a test drive to your local trust worthy mechanic, unless you know what to look for.... but of course, it'd be the shit to find a granny into the performances of these things!

[ZooMIN3]

I just started to pay attention to this thread. And I am alittle dissapointed in a lot of you. The NEW wrx was an excellent response by Subaru owners complaints about the interior and lack of performance. And damn good for them I say. I certainly respect the car. But I bought the MazdaSpeed 3 for its design and performance. I will keep this car till i die. And I am delighted every time i get in and go. The Mazda Engineering group did a nice job on this and some such as Road and Track consider it a bit of a benchmark. Of course now the stupid Cobalt is a better handling car and faster but I think the Mazda is a very nice piece all in all and pushed the other manufacturers to keep up or exceed our value and performance. Just my opinion

I see your point, and I agree witcha as well. I love my MS3; however if I don't have to limit myself to just this car, I'd def. look into buying an 04-07 WRX/STi in near excellent condition just so I can have the best of both worlds. (spin)

[15min5k]

I see your point, and I agree witcha as well. I love my MS3; however if I don't have to limit myself to just this car, I'd def. look into buying an 04-07 WRX/STi in near excellent condition just so I can have the best of both worlds. (spin)

That would still be pretty damn expensive after you factor in insurance, maintence, etc..Oh and good luck finding one in near excellent condition.

[ZooMIN3]

That would still be pretty damn expensive after you factor in insurance, maintence, etc..Oh and good luck finding one in near excellent condition.
This is what I'd be most worried about really...(eekdance) (shrug)(hear ya)

[ericrapp]

I see your point, and I agree witcha as well. I love my MS3; however if I don't have to limit myself to just this car, I'd def. look into buying an 04-07 WRX/STi in near excellent condition just so I can have the best of both worlds. (spin) I have a couple of cars and do not drive MazdaSpeed3 during winter. So I can appreciate having different drivetrains. I am also looking at all wheel drives. just on the cheap. Not only for winters, but we have wild seasonal gravel or dirt roads that are open during summer months for even more driving fun.

[PCspeed3]

Suby enthusiasts <? will find ways to make the exterior more appealing. Just look at the current cosworth sti, its pretty badass looking, especially in person. As for the interior, it looks like the gave the driver 70% of the width of the car lol. Should be a good competitor though.

[copperkid]

One thing to take into consideration is fuel efficiency. My old normally aspirated 01 Impreza RS used to get an avg of 23 mpg. My MS3 gets an average of 24 mpg and has twice the power.

Subaru’s are great cars. I loved my Impreza RS. But Subaru aren't known for being very fuel efficient cars and the AWD adds to this. You'll be lucky if you get a combined mileage of 20-22mpg. The 09 Wrx is rated at 18/25.

[AAMguy]

you are buying a high performance sport compact...you do not buy the for the mpg.

with my wrx i got 10-12 mpg but it was completely worth it.

if i cared about that rating at all i would buy a prius.

[happy and angry]

Yes, clearly we live in a world where we should stop trying to find a happy middle ground between mutually exclusive wants like performance and fuel economy. The only options are 12 mpg and a Prius, this is a black and white subject where there are no shades of gray. Screw wanting to have fun at a reasonable fuel cost, and to hell with compromise.

What are you, twelve?

[evilmonkeyMSP]

no, he's just not someone thats willing to give up whats important to him in a car (power) for gas mileage. Not all people are looking for the same thing in a car....there are plenty of people out there that dont care about gas mileage...

There's nothing wrong with that as its his own perogative.
Yes, clearly we live in a world where we should stop trying to find a happy middle ground between mutually exclusive wants like performance and fuel economy. The only options are 12 mpg and a Prius, this is a black and white subject where there are no shades of gray. Screw wanting to have fun at a reasonable fuel cost, and to hell with compromise.

What are you, twelve?

[AAMguy]

canadians....

lol.


ive never had a car that had good gas mileage, i care more about going fast and that requires:
1.money for gas
2.money for all the parts that will break

thats what i live with and thats what i enjoy.



what are you 80?

[evilmonkeyMSP]

(lol2)

[15min5k]

Yes, clearly we live in a world where we should stop trying to find a happy middle ground between mutually exclusive wants like performance and fuel economy. The only options are 12 mpg and a Prius, this is a black and white subject where there are no shades of gray. Screw wanting to have fun at a reasonable fuel cost, and to hell with compromise.

What are you, twelve?

Thank you.

[15min5k]

no, he's just not someone thats willing to give up whats important to him in a car (power) for gas mileage. Not all people are looking for the same thing in a car....there are plenty of people out there that dont care about gas mileage...

There's nothing wrong with that as its his own perogative.

Dumb and or rich people

[evilmonkeyMSP]

(jerkit)

Dumb and or rich people

[AAMguy]

Dumb and or rich people

thats completely ignorant.

i make good money, but everything i do comes at a cost and I budget what I can/can not afford. I love my high performance cars, I've been racing for years and building cars since I was an early teen. When doing a build the last thing on my mind was gas mileage. If i am building a 500hp car do you honestly believe that you are going to get 20+ mpg. People get into cars for various reasons. I got into them for the power that can be acheived and for the shear fun of it. If you got into them for the mpg than you are def. in the wrong place bud.

Go hug and tree with your peta friends. ...Nobama...

[happy and angry]

you are buying a high performance sport compact...you do not buy the for the mpg.Then perhaps he should phrase his response to someone who wants some measure of fuel economy without an imperative. You know, not telling them what is important to them when purchasing performance compacts. Maybe.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

Im sorry but if you're buying a performance anything, MPG is not the first thing you're looking at when buying the car, so he has a point either way.

[happy and angry]

Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that when people want to buy a vehicle, performance or otherwise, their first priority is decided by you. Or that secondary considerations don't matter.

My bad.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

hey, if you can make a wild assumption, then why the hell cant I? (potkettle
Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that when people want to buy a vehicle, performance or otherwise, their first priority is decided by you. Or that secondary considerations don't matter.

My bad.

[ElSpeedDiablo]

2010 AWD 450hp/525whp MS3..(boom04)(cheers)

Apprently me and you have the same dreams(shocked)

[evilmonkeyMSP]

and by the way, just so that I can help you comprehend since you're having difficulty...I didnt say mpg WASNT a factor, I said that it definitely isnt the first thing I'm sure most of you looked at...

[happy and angry]

Who is making wild assumptions here? Do you need to re-read this little thread here to figure out just where the assumptions were made, or do I have to spell it out for you? I will give you a hint before you go off on your little investigative journey trying to find the assumptions: they did not come from me.

The fact of the matter is that people evaluate the vehicles they want to buy for a number of different reasons, and you would be incredibly narrow minded (and stupid) to suggest that your priorities are somehow more relevant or better than someone else's.

You can read this little MS3 forum and find out that people have bought the MS3 because it's fast and gets good fuel economy, because they have a family and find the hatchback design very livable for day to day use with a baby, because they wanted a fast car, because they liked the interior, because they felt the vehicle was a good deal, etc etc etc. Every single person that buys a car has a different story behind why they finally decided on the one they now own. For some of those people, fuel economy is a driving force, even if they are looking for a car that can do a 14 second 1/4 mile. You guys need to stop being mental by suggesting that just because the car is fast the ammount you spend on fuel doesn't matter. That is such a simple-minded perspective, and I find in monumentally juvenile to have to read some lukewarm pudding-for-brains suggest that performance is the only metric that matters. You'd all be driving Cobalt SS Turbocharged or 2004 SRT-4s if that was the case.

You sure might not be suggesting that performance is the only metric that matters, but that other guy certainly was, which is why I called him on it. This is all easily picked up with a basic grade 6 level of reading comprehension, guy.

[SwampAss]

I bought this car because my wife said I could.

[AAMguy]

how dare you ASSUME that I would drive a cobalt or a srt-4.


someones panties are all bunched up.


GO USA!

[evilmonkeyMSP]

lol and how.....

and dont call me guy, budday.


how dare you ASSUME that I would drive a cobalt or a srt-4.


someones panties are all bunched up.


GO USA!

[happy and angry]

My panties are in a bunch because I think one guy telling another guy that the things he wants in a car don't matter is kind of stupid? I feel like I've fallen down the rabbit hole here, Jesus.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

Well the thing is, his comment was correct. When you bought your MS3 it was for performance over MPG because if MPG was more important then you would have bought a regular 3. No one said you cant have your cake and eat it too, which is what you've done with the MS3, but if you read what he originally said then you'll see plainly that this is what he most likely meant...
My panties are in a bunch because I think one guy telling another guy that the things he wants in a car don't matter is kind of stupid? I feel like I've fallen down the rabbit hole here, Jesus.

[ElSpeedDiablo]

Buy the 09 WRX and 2 years or less later something else "better" will come out. It's a never ending cycle and you'll never be satisfied.

I agree with you 100%, people need to stop being fanbois and stop comparing oranges to berries...lol...you should be happy with what you got...my best friend drives a 2.5rs and its pretty clean, hes building the motor and the suspencion on that fuckers cost more than the damn car, but he could easly go out an get an sti, it would be the easier thing to do, but he loves his car and will evently pawn stis and I'll be there with him once money starts raining from the heavens. Be happy with what you got, we got awsome deals on our cars and everytime I get into mine I can say I'm home. As soon as the new speed comes out which it will (I hope), I'll be on that like a fat kid is on chocolate cake.

[happy and angry]

Well the thing is, his comment was correct. When you bought your MS3 it was for performance over MPG because if MPG was more important then you would have bought a regular 3.Oh, shit, that's right, that IS why I bought the MS3, I'm so glad you told me! Man, it's a good thing you guys are here telling me why I bought my car. For a little while there I thought I had a mind of my own, but it's a good thing you guys are here to keep the record straight!

[evilmonkeyMSP]

glad we could help!
Oh, shit, that's right, that IS why I bought the MS3, I'm so glad you told me! Man, it's a good thing you guys are here telling me why I bought my car. For a little while there I thought I had a mind of my own, but it's a good thing you guys are here to keep the record straight!

[happy and angry]

It's a good thing I didn't buy my car for a variety of reasons, relative MPG being one of them, when I have more than enough money and could have purchased faster (thirstier) cars. It's almost as if I *gasp* made compromises between things I want in a vehicle!

[AAMguy]

omg you sound like my wife. stfu!

I was simply making a point that MPG ... USUALLY ... is not on the mind of .... MOST .... performance/can enthusiast minds.


GO USA!

[happy and angry]

... your wife thinks you are kind of slow too?

[evilmonkeyMSP]

Nobody here really cares about your financial situation...If you would sit and think about whats being said you will see it makes sense...

NO ONE SAID PERFORMANCE WAS THE ONLY REASON YOU BOUGHT THE CAR!

But, with MOST people (I wont count you in this any longer since apparently its making your butthole sore) looked at the MS3 for its performance as a main selling point on the car because if that wasnt the driving factor then they had a choice of a regular 3 or any other "zippy" cars with decent MPG....

either way, I'm done arguing with you as it's a lost cause on both ends.
It's a good thing I didn't buy my car for a variety of reasons, relative MPG being one of them, when I have more than enough money and could have purchased faster (thirstier) cars. It's almost as if I *gasp* made compromises between things I want in a vehicle!

[evilmonkeyMSP]

anyways.............We stopped at the subie dealer on Monday and test drove an 09 WRB Sedan...It's sweet car. Loved the ride, the acceleration and the subtle improvements over the 08 were fantastic. I enjoyed the short trip in that more than I did in the MS3 we test drove. It's definitely worth the $ now.

I actually didnt mind the sedan in the flesh but we're definitely sold on the Hatch.

[happy and angry]

Actually yes he did say exactly that, and supported it by suggesting that is MPG is a consideration he'd have bought a Prius.

[AAMguy]

Omg Stfu!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/mattyk04/Squinty1k.jpg

[ElSpeedDiablo]

Buhahahahah I love that smiley!!!

[mckraut]

Any mods in the house? Kill this thread already.

[AAMguy]

there is not need to kill this thread. finally people are talking on a thread!

I say let it live on and see where it goes!

[ElSpeedDiablo]

All hail the smiley!!!!!

[mckraut]

lol, two of your replies have been "stfu!" I still think we can get it locked. You guys have already gone a long way toward getting it there.

In any case, I'm keeping my MS3 although I would give the new '09 WRX consideration if I was currently in the market and didn't have a performance vehicle already.

[AAMguy]

stfu is a well thought out and educated response to his posts....duh.

ok but i will put it back on subject to pleae you sir.

I ask myself would I want an 09 wrx?? I think the power it makes is amazing especially for the price. I love subarus, I have enjoyed every single one that I have owned. Unfortunately subaru has yet to make the appropriate changes the wrx drivetrain. If i bought another wrx I would have 5k sitting aside for another ppg tranny, considering the tranny will most likely fail, especially after mods.

Personally I am waiting for the 2 door rwd 6 speed to come out. Until then I will continue to build the ms3 to its potentional.

[Kain]

Any mods in the house? Kill this thread already.

Even Tom Brokaw couldn't moderate this thread at this point.

[AAMguy]

yea but at least this thread isnt plagued with bov. cobb sri. and boost gauge questions. I know someone who could moderate this thread and he is...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/mattyk04/co1.jpg

[evilmonkeyMSP]

I'm Ron Burgundy..............?

[AAMguy]

-me - "Hey Ron what does the word Canada mean...??"

-Ron "I believe it means a whales vagina"


-me (shakes head)

[Kain]

Stay classy, m247.

[mckraut]

-me - "Hey Ron what does the word Canada mean...??"

-Ron "I believe it means a whales vagina"


-me (shakes head)

Seriously, let the shit go man. Let's move on with the conversation.

[AAMguy]

I do not have anything to "let go" I could seriously care less. its a joke. hence why I've been saying since the beginning not to take me toooo seriously. Its the internet and its a place to have fun, geesh people get way to worked up.

And if you look at one of my more recent posts I did move the convo on. And you arent helping by saying "keep the conversation going." why dont you enlighten us with your opinion on the matter.

[jbiird317]

crap, this thread smells like a turd covered in burnt hair...

How bout we all chill out a bit and take this one back on topic....

[mckraut]

I do not have anything to "let go" I could seriously care less. its a joke. hence why I've been saying since the beginning not to take me toooo seriously. Its the internet and its a place to have fun, geesh people get way to worked up.

Fair enough


why dont you enlighten us with your opinion on the matter.

It would appear I already did. :)


In any case, I'm keeping my MS3 although I would give the new '09 WRX consideration if I was currently in the market and didn't have a performance vehicle already.

[AAMguy]

crap, this thread smells like a turd covered in burnt hair...

How bout we all chill out a bit and take this one back on topic....

hey you need to call him and stop yelling at me all the time lol.

[ericrapp]

This is what makes democracy great! Dialogue with a passion and no one gets killed over it. I bought the Mazdaspeed 3 because it is a very nifty car. Well designed functionally and in appearance. And it is rather quick. And for that much power and comfort i get pretty good mileage with my mods. Over twenty five mpg and mstly abouts 28. What more could one want? I want to drive the car I want to drive. Sometimes I want differnt cars for different reasons and sometimes I can even have them. But this one is my favorite. The MazdaSpeed #3 is a great effort towards world peace. The way I see it, if you want to drive slow stay in the right lane and I will never hurry you or tailgate. But if you stay in the passing lane and will not move aside after I flash my lights respectfully and it is safe to move over, well you are just being stubborn. This is my sage wisdom for today. Peace, safety of others and high performance is where i am at man! and that is all I have to say about that.

[jbiird317]

hey you need to call him and stop yelling at me all the time lol.

im gonna assume that youre not one to get his e-feelings hurt too easily, so nah, I think you can handle it... just dont poke the (happyand)angry bear

[Sveivo]

So the new WRX has what like 230 whp and it runs 13.5 in the 1/4? Does this seem too good to anyone?

[AAMguy]

So the new WRX has what like 230 whp and it runs 13.5 in the 1/4? Does this seem too good to anyone?

wow READING OWNS YOU....

click the link for the answer to your pitiful question.

:)

[ericrapp]

So the new WRX has what like 230 whp and it runs 13.5 in the 1/4? Does this seem too good to anyone?13.5 is quite good for any car. But seems a bit surprising for that horsepower rating you sure it is not 14.5?

[Sveivo]

wow READING OWNS YOU....

click the link for the answer to your pitiful question.

:)

Hi, thanks for being a dickhead.

The article you referenced states: "The updated WRX's 2.5L boxer-four now delivers a healthy 265 hp and 244 lb-ft of torque."

And I estimated 230 whp. Am I way off? Reading owns you.

kthx

[AAMguy]

the hp is 260...

and awd is a launching machine.

when the 04 sti came out i ran a 12.9 with a drop in filter.

[AAMguy]

Hi, thanks for being a dickhead.

The article you referenced states: "The updated WRX's 2.5L boxer-four now delivers a healthy 265 hp and 244 lb-ft of torque."

And I estimated 230 whp. Am I way off? Reading owns you.

kthx

ahh ok ok u win this round. i gaurantee you though that with a very good driver you can most likely get even better than a 13.5.

[Sveivo]

Un-sub

[ericrapp]

ahh ok ok u win this round. i gaurantee you though that with a very good driver you can most likely get even better than a 13.5.Be sure to put a very good driver in my car Too!

[AAMguy]

haha. Hp does not determine 1/4 times. With the wrx/sti the car is a synch to launch and hooks immediately, instant spool, and the sti comes with some nice rubber. So smoking down the track is easy as go.

[brunoxmatoss]

can anyone clarify why the impreza gt "2008 wrx" costs MORE than the 2009 wrx???

[ZooMIN3]

I bought this car because my wife said I could.

Hey... you too?? lol same here! (bump) (iagree)

[ZooMIN3]

Apprently me and you have the same dreams(shocked)



great minds think alike... lol I wouldn't be surprised if you had a BlackMica MS3 as well... (cabpatch)(werd)(mspblack)

[ElSpeedDiablo]

great minds think alike... lol I wouldn't be surprised if you had a BlackMica MS3 as well... (cabpatch)(werd)(mspblack)

Oh well what do you know I do. Great minds indeed!!!!

[happy and angry]

im gonna assume that youre not one to get his e-feelings hurt too easily, so nah, I think you can handle it... just dont poke the (happyand)angry bearOy vey, my e-feelings aren't hurt, it's just frustrating to see such stupidity on here.

[happy and angry]

haha. Hp does not determine 1/4 times. With the wrx/sti the car is a synch to launch and hooks immediately, instant spool, and the sti comes with some nice rubber. So smoking down the track is easy as go.Then why is it you can estimate WHP fairly accurately (within ~5%) knowing a 1/4 mile time and vehicle weight? This is actually a rhetorical question. Please do not answer as if I care about what your thoughts on this subject are.

[AAMguy]

Then why is it you can estimate WHP fairly accurately (within ~5%) knowing a 1/4 mile time and vehicle weight? This is actually a rhetorical question. Please do not answer as if I care about what your thoughts on this subject are.

right. so i guess now we dont need drivers anymore we can just predict everything with forumlas.

Speed at 1/4 mile point = 220 * (HP / Weight) ^.3138

Quarter Mile time = 6.9446 X (weight / HP)^.2841

0 to 60 time = .0078 * X^2.4849

(where X is the quarter mile time).

[boostdog]

I hear the tranny is weak and no where near strong as the one in the STI. Few good hard 6k launches / mis shifts and bye bye tranny! If I'm gonna spend about 30k on a AWD sport compact it'll be a EVO X GSR (5-speed manual) - Get it tuned via VINSHU for $995.00 and have a car running 12.7@109ish and handling to match.

no you haven't...the car just hit the market...i want to see your proof of broken 09 trannies(braindead)

[boostdog]

I've got a good friend who's thinking about buying one. If/when he does, he's gonna let me beat on it. I'll report back

EWWW...What you and your friend do is between you and should be kept in private (sssh)

[boostdog]

One thing to take into consideration is fuel efficiency. My old normally aspirated 01 Impreza RS used to get an avg of 23 mpg. My MS3 gets an average of 24 mpg and has twice the power.

Subaru’s are great cars. I loved my Impreza RS. But Subaru aren't known for being very fuel efficient cars and the AWD adds to this. You'll be lucky if you get a combined mileage of 20-22mpg. The 09 Wrx is rated at 18/25.

This is true...i wish my rex got better gas mileage...but you gotta pay to play..atleast the price of gas is coming down (spin)

want speed and perfomance with good mpg..get a bike.

[AAMguy]

no you haven't...the car just hit the market...i want to see your proof of broken 09 trannies(braindead)

the 09 trannies will break, they made a few improvements in the 08 but none in the 09.

it will happen

[boostdog]

the 09 trannies will break, they made a few improvements in the 08 but none in the 09.

it will happen

ohhh i am not saying it won't but it has yet to happen...plus alot of broken trans. are due to how it's launched...you have to must 100% slip the clutch on these cars or the trans is going to break. I bet we'll see alot of 09's 5 years from now that were beat on still with the stock trans...just like there are alot of 02-03 models that way now. I have well over 100 launches on mine and have yet to have any issues.......but i prob just jinxed myself.

[AAMguy]

on my last wrx i was shifting into second at like 2300 rpm and BOOM tranny broke.

granted i was making around 350hp

[Olestra]

can anyone clarify why the impreza gt "2008 wrx" costs MORE than the 2009 wrx???

Haha, I guess they thought they could get away with it because it bore the WRX nameplate. =)

[boostdog]

on my last wrx i was shifting into second at like 2300 rpm and BOOM tranny broke.

granted i was making around 350hp

nice...what were you mods?