Corksport MM Inserts. My first Mod!

[mr_mazda329]

T-Drive complete= Holy crap is there a big difference.

Shifting = way smoother
Throttle response = better
Heel Toeing = a lot easier now
Engine rock = hardly there now
Vibrations = none, car feels more solid :D


Tools Needed:Breaker Bar, 17mm socket, Jack, and Jack Stands

I used the scissor jack in between the oil pan and chassis to aid in with the removal & installtion. So easy, even my wife could have done it. 10-15 min

Stock Mount out:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee297/mr_mazda329/Speed%203/100_1529.jpg

Inserts installed:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee297/mr_mazda329/Speed%203/100_1531.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee297/mr_mazda329/Speed%203/100_1532.jpg

Scissor Jack Method:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee297/mr_mazda329/Speed%203/100_1537.jpg

Finishing up the install:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee297/mr_mazda329/Speed%203/100_1538.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee297/mr_mazda329/Speed%203/100_1539.jpg

Overall, I am very satisfied with the results and I think its a very worthwhile mod. $45 shipped FTW (wiggle)

[jon619]

Good pictures. Did you order direct from corksport because it's $40 shipped from PG. I ordered some black ones and can't wait to install them.

[Bonafide_Spd3]

It made that much of a difference?

[coondogg]

Good 1st mod...

Pics are always a +!

[mr_mazda329]

Good pictures. Did you order direct from corksport because it's $40 shipped from PG. I ordered some black ones and can't wait to install them.

Yea, I ordered direct from Corksport.



It made that much of a difference?
It sure did. It's amazing what two little plastic pieces will do. But the TRZ makes more of a difference tho, if you can live with the hard starts. I think when these finally wear out, I'll go that route.

[ms2dt]

How hard was it to change? If i'm an amature, could I do it?

[Kain]

I used the scissor jack method too since I couldn't break loose that one recessed 19 mm bolt on the tranny bracket. The other two came out with no fuss, but I was literally moving the engine with my breaker bar trying to make the recessed one budge. After much grunting and sweating in mid-90 degree weather, I said fuck it, used the scissor jack and was done ten minutes later.

[DaleNixon]

Does this make the car even more difficult to get rolling from a stop without either burning out or stalling?

Also, it looks like you don't even have to butcher the stock motor mount for this. Are you just adding two pieces to the complete mount? If so, that's awesome!

[Kain]

Does this make the car even more difficult to get rolling from a stop without either burning out or stalling?

Just the opposite. Shifting and launching from a stop are more predictable since you don't have to account for engine rotation. And those who complain about vibes from the CS MMI need to clean the sand out of their vajayjays. Even with the A/C on full blast, the car hardly has any more resonance than stock.

[DaleNixon]

Ok, where do I sign up for these inserts!~?!

Edit: Nevermind. protegegarage.com... durhhh!

How long do these last? I'm thinking about pulling the trigger. Did Mazda make their motor mounts soft for a reason?

[ms2dt]

How hard is it to remove the inserts? or do they just pop out?

[Kurt07]

I used the scissor jack method too since I couldn't break loose that one recessed 19 mm bolt on the tranny bracket.

Is there room to get an impact wrench in there?

[Kain]

Is there room to get an impact wrench in there?

Yeah, plenty of room. You might need a deep socket 19 mm.

[mr_mazda329]

The inserts can be removed just as easily as they were installed. Anyone can do this mod providing they have jack+stands or ramps and 17mm socket setup. Scissor jack method is highly encouraged tho.

[ericrapp]

Yea, I ordered direct from Corksport.



It sure did. It's amazing what two little plastic pieces will do. But the TRZ makes more of a difference tho, if you can live with the hard starts. I think when these finally wear out, I'll go that route.I have been very pleased with this product also and we aprreciate the sharing and pics. Great first mod ! for me.

[phillyb]

Just the opposite. Shifting and launching from a stop are more predictable since you don't have to account for engine rotation. And those who complain about vibes from the CS MMI need to clean the sand out of their vajayjays. Even with the A/C on full blast, the car hardly has any more resonance than stock.

hahaha...

[coondogg]

You think it grabs now... ?

Try adding a ETD!

Even on my MZ3 with the insert, it is day and night after the ETD.

[DaleNixon]

The fuck is ETD?

Edit: I got drunk and ordered these inserts!

[fremast]

^^^^^
Gotta second that.
'Ya lost me with ETD too...

[dkswim]

good cheep mod

[MS3Zoom24]

im quessing Engine Torque Dampner

[mr_mazda329]

im quessing Engine Torque Dampner

Yes Sir.

[dkswim]

i think mine was 35 shipped.

[fremast]

im quessing Engine Torque Dampner

Dur.
Aren't I the smart one?

Thanks!

[coondogg]

ETD = Engine torque dampner...

[08cosmic3]

CS MM inserts was my first mod. 30 min job and I removed the 3 bolts no problem without breaker bar. I did use a long handled socket bar and gave each a whack with a rubber malet.

I wish I had ordered mine in black instead of blue. The blue stand out and black would be hard to detect by the dealership.

[canyondrive]

I followed this forum and finally made the move. Man! I don't call this the easiest job - I'm not exactly a car mech type and I was not comfortable going underneath the car and trying really hard to get that 1st vertical bolt loose. I wish I paid someone to do this...

That being said I'm glad I went under...LOL

SO it was the engine/trans that was shaking all along!

Since the purchase I felt disconnected with the car when I go on roads and curves that are bumpy, it kind of reminded me of current Eclipse convertible, which yields a lot of body flex. I first thought bad suspension flexing or car body bouncing, so I thought this car is not as solid-built as reviews say.
I'm glad I didn't try to install coilovers or body reinforcements.

I think it's a major step to get close to cars like current Si. (in terms of direct feel handling, which I've owned), without the harshness.

Another thing I've noticed is that I don't have to account for timelags of gearshifts anymore (as others mentioned many times). I used to wait a millisecond before going from a gear to another, since the gears did not want to engage right away. Now that wait is gone, and I can learn to naturally shift faster, like any stick cars should be.

I used to feel the engine "roll" when I release the crutch on 1st, now the engine movement is unnoticeable and the power feels going straightly to the road.

No wonder why everyone raves about this mod. No noticeable bad vibration coming to the cabin and I bet Mazda techs can't tell about this mod from driving it. The car just feels natural and broken-in.

Well, as others say, if people have chance, they should do this 1st before anything. To me, setting up and buying ramps and tools took kind of all day but I'm glad I did it. Such tiny parts made quite a bit of improvement.

Oh and I installed a stable horn might as well. (looked up other threads for how-to's)
Which was another bitch to me to get the car's bracket bent right without the vice, but the sound worth it. No more "horn complex" when I'm pissed at cut-off people.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee82/canyondrive/P1000612-1.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee82/canyondrive/P1000610.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee82/canyondrive/P1000615.jpg

look how tiny the stock horn - are you kidding? for a 260 hp car?

[mr_mazda329]

Glad you like the CS Mount inserts. That vertical Bolts is kinda tight, I had to put some ass into it also. Good stuff

[guy_incognito]

How long do these last?

+1

I'm planning on keeping this car for at least another 4+ years, so I don't want something that would just need replacing in a year, otherwise I'd just go with the SU or CP-e mount.

So has anyone used a CS insert for 1+ year? Has anyone really had one "wear out" yet, or is it just speculation at this point?

[guy_incognito]

I used the scissor jack method too since I couldn't break loose that one recessed 19 mm bolt on the tranny bracket. The other two came out with no fuss, but I was literally moving the engine with my breaker bar trying to make the recessed one budge. After much grunting and sweating in mid-90 degree weather, I said fuck it, used the scissor jack and was done ten minutes later.

Interesting. So the jack method makes it easier to loosen the bolt? I had thought it was mainly to make it easier to slide the mount out.

[dkswim]

i did just removed the tranny bracket it was easy.

[DaleNixon]

I'd like to bump this question. It seems important!


+1

I'm planning on keeping this car for at least another 4+ years, so I don't want something that would just need replacing in a year, otherwise I'd just go with the SU or CP-e mount.

So has anyone used a CS insert for 1+ year? Has anyone really had one "wear out" yet, or is it just speculation at this point?

[Kain]

Interesting. So the jack method makes it easier to loosen the bolt? I had thought it was mainly to make it easier to slide the mount out.

No. After taking out the two bolts for the rear mount (one that mounts to the tranny, the other to the frame), you have to take the stock mount out. Unfortunately, there is not enough clearance to remove it, so you have two methods:

1) The scissor jack method pushes the engine forward enough to slip the stock mount out and put the new one in. Place the jack horizontally so it rests against the frame and pushes against the block above the oil pan.

2) Removing two of the three tranny bracket bolts and loosening the third. You don't need to remove all three because once the third is loosened, you can swing the bracket downward to create clearance.

I tried #2, couldn't get the third bolt loose.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I've heard of some people who said the inserts wore down after time. But to be honest, I think you just get used to it.

Add me to the list of CS owners, as I just ordered mine from PG! Can't wait to install and comment!

[mr_mazda329]

Getting used to the mount is a good thing. I can actually drive the car better as it feels more solid.

[coondogg]

No. After taking out the two bolts for the rear mount (one that mounts to the tranny, the other to the frame), you have to take the stock mount out. Unfortunately, there is not enough clearance to remove it, so you have two methods:

1) The scissor jack method pushes the engine forward enough to slip the stock mount out and put the new one in. Place the jack horizontally so it rests against the frame and pushes against the block above the oil pan.

2) Removing two of the three tranny bracket bolts and loosening the third. You don't need to remove all three because once the third is loosened, you can swing the bracket downward to create clearance.

I tried #2, couldn't get the third bolt loose.

I have a MZ3 and I was able to put a breaker bar on one of the bolts on the bracket that the mount attaches to. Just a pull on the bar moves the engine enough to slide the mount in and out. Actually, rocking the engine this way this way helped push the mount back in after installing the insert into the mount. It's a tight fit going back in... lol

[DaleNixon]

I can't get up the damn rhino ramps. They slid out from under me on the way up. This shit is scary. Any tips? I tried putting wood blocks in front to drive up, but those slid out too.

[nazgul350r]

I have a set for the Protege and they are great!

[DaleNixon]

Edit: Sorry for being a douche bag. I was frustrated with my ramps!

[coondogg]

^ try hitting them at 12-15mph...

[DaleNixon]

Man I'm too damn nervous for that shit. I just bought a damn floor jack and some stands. I'll have a few beers tonight and get on this tomorrow morning.

[coondogg]

I WAS JOKING!

Sounds like getting it in the air is going to be the most difficult part for you...

[Kain]

Use wheel chocks to hold the ramps in place, and drive up them in one smooth motion. After the car is on the ramps, take the chocks and place them behind the rear wheels.

[DaleNixon]

I placed chocks behind the ramps then a heavy wooden board then a few more heavy objects against the board. I tried driving up with some wooden boards to help clear the ramp. It still kicked the ramps out and moved all the heavy stuff. I guess my carport floor is too damn slippery.

My jack was a massive fail as well. I tried to locate the center jack point, located it, then started jacking. Once the tires started coming off the ground I couldn't jack the damn thing any more (I was a little scared to get under the car for more torque being supported by just a 2.5 ton hydraulic jack).

Has anyone had success placing jack stands by jacking up one side of the car then the other? I would feel more comfortable doing it this way, but I can't get the jack stand under the jack point while the damn jack is using it.

I guess I'll reset and try the ramps again tomorrow. I've got to find a way to keep them from slipping.

Sorry I hijacked the thread a bit. I'll move this to a new topic if you guys would like. The motor mount inserts look really slick sitting on my computer desk.

[mr_mazda329]

Quite simple. Thats how I lift my car. Place your jack under the one of the FWD lower control arms where it bolts up to the chassis. Look for the solid portion of the chassis. There's not much clearance doing this but it still works. You might have to do a bunch of short pumps just to get enough clearance to start really jacking. The jack stand mounts are just underneath the side skirts in front. You will see the re-enforced lip that sticks dow about a 1/4 of an inch.

whoa, It's time to go to bed now. Little drunk. i'll post pictures tomorrow if you still need help.

[DaleNixon]

Edit: Nevermind! Mission accomplished!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3108/2912422904_10106f545a.jpg

[Kain]

You might have to do a bunch of short pumps just to get enough clearance to start really jacking.

lawl achieved.

[opt_ms3]

I think its farther back, it looks like a big circle. The ball on the hydrolic jack fits up with it pretty easily. Its more towards the middle, but closer to the drivers side. Once you start lifting at that point, it should lift up both sides of the car and you will be able to put up both jack stands at once

[DaleNixon]

http://wmdeez.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/envy-vs-eli-porter-i-really-mean-it.jpg

I did it! I used the ramps combined with a crazy contraption consisting of bags of sand, cat litter, tires, and shelf liner. I also positioned a long mirror next to the car so I could watch myself drive up the ramps.

I was beginning to wonder if this would be worth all the hassle. Now I know it was! The car feels tight as hell now! I'm noticing no extra vibrations (maybe in the steering wheel, but feedback is good!)

Shifting is unbelievably smooth. I'm loving this mod!

Thanks again everyone for the help.

[mr_mazda329]

Glad you like it. Very worth while mod indeed

[ericrapp]

Try putting doormats or old carpet under neath the ramps so they wont slide so easy

[jon619]

I installed my CS inserts today. It was a bitch. I jacked up one side and had one jackstand behind the driver's front wheel and the jack as a backup. It probably took me 2 hours. I used my facom breaker bar to rotate the engine to pull out the stock mount. With the inserts, I shaved down the actual insert a tad and used the scissor jack to move the engine. The car feels better. There's a small amount of vibration when just sitting that I didn't notice before. It may or may not go away, but it's not bad. Shifting is also better. I plan to test this at the track and see if my wheel hop goes away. We'll see.

[mr_mazda329]

Why did you shave the insert? Its supposed to be a tight fit

[jon619]

Why did you shave the insert? Its supposed to be a tight fit

I barely shaved it. Just a tad. It wouldn't go in and I didn't want to move the engine any more. I spent too long on it already. I'm sure it didn't do anything. If it still wheel hops, I'll get the CPE mount when that comes out.

[DaleNixon]

Mine went right in.

</that's what she said>

[dkswim]

did you put the inseert in correctly? notice how in first post second pic. how the blue inserts are diffrent sizes

[ericrapp]

Jon mine was tight also and I had trouble with the angle too. Wheel hop is long gone. You cannot put the inserts or mount in wrong I don't think. You will be pleased

[dkswim]

it can be installed backwards has been its tight going in backwards and smoth if done right.

look at this thread pic 2
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123705196&highlight=inserts

[UHATEIT]

anyone talking about this scissor jack method... just unbolt the 3rd bolt, its MUCH EASIER. I remember trying to pry the thing in there and then looked online and saw you just take the bolt off the block and that silver hangar comes out that the MM bolts to and it was much easier.

As far as wearing out, i have had mine for 4 months, I think I am just used to them. still feel fine, just not as noticeable after driving with them forever, much like most mods you get used to the difference over time

[jon619]

did you put the inseert in correctly? notice how in first post second pic. how the blue inserts are diffrent sizes

I didn't know it was possible to put them in wrong, but yes, I did install correctly. I'll think about removing that mount next time. I'd rather take off as few parts as possible. We'll see what happens at the track.

[DaleNixon]

I've driven on these for a few days. I really like the feel. The only vibration I've noticed is on engine start. It's a little jarring, but that'll probably go away after these break in. It just lets me know the car is ready to get down to business!

[ericrapp]

[quote=UHATEIT;4111025]anyone talking about this scissor jack method... just unbolt the 3rd bolt, its MUCH EASIER. I remember trying to pry the thing in there and then looked online and saw you just take the bolt off the block and that silver hangar comes out that the MM bolts to and it was much easier.
Yep thats what i also did in frustration. seemed way easier and called CS and suggested as an alternate method. I wish I had match marked the bracket though because the wholes are a bit sloppy. Car has worked fine since. DaleNixon, glad to hear you like the more serious nature of the car! When the maintenance schedule allows or a little sooner, Try a performance synthetic trannsmission fluid. You might notice a difference. Not very expensive for some reputable products. I used Redline because lots of members recommended. And i knew that I was driving the car hard already. But there are quite a few that are very high quality and are suitable for our cars' 6 speeds. Just a thought as you go along.

[DaleNixon]

Thanks for the advice. I've ordered the TWM shifter bushings and will consider replacing the tranny fluid with some synthetic. Is there a how-to on that procedure?

Also, when I tightened the two motor mount bolts back I torqued them to 70 ft/lbs. I did not put loctite on them. Would everyone here recommend that I loctite them, or is it sufficient to torque them to the factory setting? Thanks!

[dkswim]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123692757&highlight=redline
tranny fluid change

[Kain]

Thanks for the advice. I've ordered the TWM shifter bushings and will consider replacing the tranny fluid with some synthetic. Is there a how-to on that procedure?

Also, when I tightened the two motor mount bolts back I torqued them to 70 ft/lbs. I did not put loctite on them. Would everyone here recommend that I loctite them, or is it sufficient to torque them to the factory setting? Thanks!

I wouldn't make a special trip under your car just for that, but next time you're doing an oil change, apply some blue Loctite on those bolts since you're under there anyway.

[DaleNixon]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123692757&highlight=redline
tranny fluid change

Thanks man. Any problem with doing this at only 1800 miles? Also Kain, yea I guess i'll loctite them up when I do my first oil change.

[dkswim]

no problem with it but i would wait a little longer on it. i used royal purple on mine there are a lot of people using redline. i would locktite them as well whenever your under the car again.

[ericm]

I would use Redline. I tried Amsoil synthetic and it's not as good... shifting was no better than stock and it lacks the friction modifier, so the limited slip differential makes a lot of noise when turning. To be honest even the Redline is not that much of an improvement over stock and the LSD still makes a little noise.

I put in Corksport inserts this weekend also. I did not locktite the bolts but did torque them to 70 ft-lbs. I think that's plenty.

[ericrapp]

I suppose on the bolts just get under there and recheck them. i do crawl back under after a week or so to recheck hardware for any thing i have worked on. I think those bolts attach to aluminum threads. Cannot remember for sure. Do any of you guys know? That might make a difference in loctite used. ericm probaly is right on LT if it is alum. But if they are coming loose at all I believe the blue is correct but check the Loctite web site, I think they still have one for details, on the right stuff for every application imaginable

[copperkid]

I'll be posting some new, never installed Corksport motor mount inserts for sale tomorrow. They are blue.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Question for you guys:

Two other MS3's that i've driven, I absolutely loved how the clutch felt and how it shifted. They both had TRZ poly's. Tons more vibrations, but I loved how the car felt.

How would you say your clutch and shifting has improved with your corksport inserts?

[DaleNixon]

I'm not very technical with cars so I'll just describe what I felt when I first test drove it.

Clutch in, first gear, gas to 2500rpm, ease off the clutch, car starts moving very solidly and urgently as soon as I hit the engagement point. No stuttering or perceivable motor mount flex/engine bucking around under the hood, just straight power to the ground. And it isn't more jarring... it's less jarring to me since the power is predictable.

Shifting is just much smoother. No violent engine movement when shifting hard, and it's actually easier to shift in a civil manner when you have passengers. I think it's all about the predictability of the power being put to the wheels.

Trust me, you will not be disappointed if you do this mod. You will be waving your hands in the air with a smile on your face after the first test drive :)

[Silver Ecstasy]

I definitely hope so! I should be receiving it soon, so i'm hoping for a sunday (help me jesus) install. lol

[ericrapp]

I'm not very technical with cars so I'll just describe what I felt when I first test drove it.

Clutch in, first gear, gas to 2500rpm, ease off the clutch, car starts moving very solidly and urgently as soon as I hit the engagement point. No stuttering or perceivable motor mount flex/engine bucking around under the hood, just straight power to the ground. And it isn't more jarring... it's less jarring to me since the power is predictable.

Shifting is just much smoother. No violent engine movement when shifting hard, and it's actually easier to shift in a civil manner when you have passengers. I think it's all about the predictability of the power being put to the wheels.

Trust me, you will not be disappointed if you do this mod. You will be waving your hands in the air with a smile on your face after the first test drive :)On this last bit i also believe you will be quite pleased. Someone mentioned a long ways back that is was almost like the suspension was stiffer! Trust Dale and Eric on this little mod

[ericrapp]

I definitely hope so! I should be receiving it soon, so i'm hoping for a sunday (help me jesus) install. lolYou will be fine, another reason why great first mechanical modification. If you run into trouble call one of us I will check up on this thread or pm a couple times Sunday. Good luck!

[Silver Ecstasy]

Black Corksport inserts, installed courtesy of Matt (CWPspeed3) and his highly intelligent father!!!

Taking the stock mount was super easy, but trying to install the mount back in was extremely difficult. We were trying to rotate the engine trying to give his dad some space to wedge the thicker mount mount back in and it wasn't working. What DID end up working was, unhooking the exhaust from one of the hangers and it helped a great deal.

Impressions: Wow....honest to God, this is exactly how the car should have came from the factory. The rpms don't hang between shifts, and I don't have to "try" between shifts. It's actually more effortless trying to drive and I don't need to slip the clutch or anything.

Granted, this was only after a 20 minute cruise, I still feel a huge difference. Only vibrations felt are when you bog in 1st or 2nd gear, otherwise it's quiet even with A/C on. The engine and engine pitch even sounds different, slightly more aggressive! All in all, i'm extremely satisfied!!

[ericrapp]

We told you so!!

[jon619]

I've had my CS inserts in for a week and they're nice, but I still got wheelhop at the track. The wheelhop wasn't as bad, but it was still there. I dropped my 1/4 from 15.2 to 14.9, so that was decent with a 2.4 60'. I know I'm a bad driver, but still. I was hoping for better. I'll be picking up the CPE mount when that becomes available again to see if that gets rid of the wheelhop completely. We'll see. Not too bad for $40 though.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I think wheelhop is going to happen, regardless of the motor mount. Tires, compound, temperature, a lot has to go into slamming a bunch of power onto the wheels.

But yes, you guys did tell me so. Holy shit I love this mod!!!!

[Captain KRM P5]

just so everyone knows, all we offer are the black ones

[jon619]

just so everyone knows, all we offer are the black ones

Ken, I bought mine 2 weeks ago from Protege Garage and they were blue. Any idea when the CPE mount will be available again?

[Captain KRM P5]

Ken, I bought mine 2 weeks ago from Protege Garage and they were blue. Any idea when the CPE mount will be available again?

right, at that time we were getting a mix. now all i order are black. josh at cp-e told me one more week on thier mounts.

[DaleNixon]

Darn! I really wanted black. No way in hell I'm taking those blues out and putting in black now though!

[Silver Ecstasy]

Black looks hot under there, really stealth, looks stock! No one would really notice.

I am not excited to see how many times they're going to stall my car at the dealership since it is different now.

[Frisco speed3]

just so everyone knows, all we offer are the black ones

Thats funny because mine showed up yesterday in blue.

[Captain KRM P5]

Thats funny because mine showed up yesterday in blue.

yours may have been shipped before that point. if you want black i will swap them.

[PCspeed3]

My question is where the hell are my inserts, I ordered the CP-E mount ages ago and got tired of waiting so I canged my order or the CS inserts a week ago and still havent seen them. I am usually patient but this is getting rediclious.

[Kain]

Yeah, a week is far too long for a customer to be asked to wait. I expect my purchases to be wrapped in gold flake set atop a satin pillow outside my front door the instant I hit the Submit button.

C'mon, Ken, get with the program.

[dkswim]

its doable it just might cost you an arm and a leg. the cost of the jet and the helicopter to get it there almost instantly.

[gtlaw]

I think wheelhop is going to happen, regardless of the motor mount. Tires, compound, temperature, a lot has to go into slamming a bunch of power onto the wheels.

But yes, you guys did tell me so. Holy shit I love this mod!!!!

with the trz delrin mount I was trying to get hop. I had to do a burnout over good sized bumps in the road to force it to. on a smooth track I can't imagine there is anything you could do to make it hop. this mount is hardcore, and IMO sucks on a DD. soon I'm going to get the inserts, and only swap this in on track days.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I noticed my corksport inserts doing a lot when the temperature was cold. When it warmed up recently, I don't think they were as effective (but it's sorta common sense actually, the plastic flexes).

[Silver Ecstasy]

So either i've gotten used to it already, or I think they've already worn in. The inserts still provide that vibration during initial cold startup, but the engine tone isn't what it was when I first installed them. Kinda curious if they already broke in.

[ericrapp]

I think mine broke in within a week or so. But I had no wheel hop unless over revving and hitting limiter or on rough surfaces. Once the wheels start to spin try backing out of the throttle alittle bit and shift early at about half throttle start to work second. You might be hitting the limiter at the track especially in first, which might cause anyone trouble. Silver I am used to mine but I still believe any motor mount upgrade is worthwhile. I just wish a full package, all the mounts, was available for some of the more hardcore peoples.

[jon619]

I just wish a full package, all the mounts, was available for some of the more hardcore peoples.

SU now has a preorder for a sidemount. Kinda pricey ~$300. Give it enough time and demand, there'll be aftermarket mounts for all of them.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I think mine broke in within a week or so. But I had no wheel hop unless over revving and hitting limiter or on rough surfaces. Once the wheels start to spin try backing out of the throttle alittle bit and shift early at about half throttle start to work second. You might be hitting the limiter at the track especially in first, which might cause anyone trouble. Silver I am used to mine but I still believe any motor mount upgrade is worthwhile. I just wish a full package, all the mounts, was available for some of the more hardcore peoples.

I was looking over the Corksport manual and it says at the very bottom that it will feel different as the inserts break in. I can say I honestly loved how they felt when they were brand new. My clutch doesn't feel different or worse. But my engine tone doesn't sound like the same as the first day I installed them. Makes me feel like it's not there anymore. I'll bet if I uninstalled it and threw on a completely bone stock rear mount that I'd feel the sloppy-ness ensue.

I'll have to debate whether or not I want to get the TRZ poly or not. Hate the vibes, like the fact it'll be consistent.

[strytnyne]

i guess its like the power 1st day holy shit, 1month later mod just to get that feeling again XD

[Silver Ecstasy]

That sucks because it's such a great mod, why wear out? I e-mailed corksport asking what's up.

[mr_mazda329]

It hasn't worn out on mine yet. Its just that you have gotten used to it. Just like any other mod...

[DaleNixon]

Exactly. The break-in + you getting used to it is the combo here. Take the inserts out and you'll feel that engine shifting around in the bay like a Mexican jumping bean!

[Frisco speed3]

I just put my corksport inserts in today and wow, what a difference! The vibes are nit bad at all. I should have done this first.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I got a response back from corksport regarding the break-in. Their claim is that it is still functioning and he pretty much invited me to install my stock mount again and see what a huge difference it made, as they did that themselves on their test MS3 and threw the CS inserts right back in.

I agree though. It's real nice with them in, minimum vibes and all.

[Kain]

I ruv my CorkSport MMI rong time.

[ericrapp]

Has anyone developed a full set of mounts for our car yet? sorry to stray.

[Captain KRM P5]

we have the driver's side mount done, and the passenger side mount is next up

[gtlaw]

we have the driver's side mount done, and the passenger side mount is next up

when will they be avaliable?

[ericrapp]

Yes please, and have you some details about them. I will head to the website to check out what else you have going on for us that i've missed.

[Huligan]

question:

let me get this straight... you take out the stock MM, and you add this rubber insert to the stock mount, then place it back in?

or does it come w/ its own mount? cuz in PG all i see is the actual insert, no mount.

sorry dumb question :(

[dkswim]

yes you pull out your stock mount place the Urethane nserts in and reinstall the factory mount+insert

[Kain]

question:

let me get this straight... you take out the stock MM, and you add this rubber insert to the stock mount, then place it back in?

or does it come w/ its own mount? cuz in PG all i see is the actual insert, no mount.

sorry dumb question :(

The CorkSport are inserts, so they fill in the gap in your stock mount. And they're poly, not rubber.

[qluber1]

just installed the Corksports(drive2) and digging it

[ericrapp]

just installed the Corksports(drive2) and digging it Glad to hear it! it seems almost everyone has been happy with the motor mount or insert upgrade. I have not heard of anyone's mounts failing or causing problems. Worst case, it seems, is that; it vibrates too much. And most folks are very pleased. Glad you are on the team gluber1!

[qluber1]

Glad to hear it! it seems almost everyone has been happy with the motor mount or insert upgrade. I have not heard of anyone's mounts failing or causing problems. Worst case, it seems, is that; it vibrates too much. And most folks are very pleased. Glad you are on the team gluber1!

I am on the team, and its Q luber(bang)....(drinks)

[ericrapp]

Q, my apology. Happy no more wheel hopping when the tires accidently start spinning!

[Kain]

gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1

[qluber1]

gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1 gluber1

Dude, on every forum I have ever been on, someone does it, but back to the Corksports, drove home from work, 25 miles in the rain, nothing to say that everyone hasn't already said, I was a little taken back at how immediately the car loses traction now when I get in the throttle.........

[qluber1]

Q, my apology. Happy no more wheel hopping when the tires accidently start spinning!

no apology need(drinks)

[strytnyne]

mine should come in sometime next week !

[08cosmic3]

The CS inserts are truely an no brainer. Cheap and easy to install. My first mod.

[qluber1]

now I got these lights that keep coming on my dash, something about traction when I nail it in 1st and 2nd(headbang)

[IKE=MS3 08.5]

now I got these lights that keep coming on my dash, something about traction when I nail it in 1st and 2nd(headbang)

I got this light without the inserts

[IKE=MS3 08.5]

Did anyone put lock-tite back on the bolts when they reinserted the mount? If so let me know, Im about to put the inserts in. Thanks

[qluber1]

I got this light without the inserts

...I did too, I just get them a little quicker now(2thumbs)

[Silver Ecstasy]

Did anyone put lock-tite back on the bolts when they reinserted the mount? If so let me know, Im about to put the inserts in. Thanks

Yes!

[DaleNixon]

I did not.

[IKE=MS3 08.5]

The car feels great! Took about 30 min, took longer to jack up the car then anything else.

[ericrapp]

There is a little switch that will make the flashing go away but in exchange you will have a solid light come on. I prefer to switch to the solid light and do smokey burnouts in the dry weather.

[ericrapp]

Yes!yes on the single long bolt that runs up through the center to frame! alot of vibration there. probably why it is a fine thread.

[PCspeed3]

Hey everyone, I am just in the middle of my install and cant seem to get the mount back in. I have tried switching the inserts around but i know i have them in correctly now. I just have one question: Can i take out these bolts to give it more space? Thanks in advance.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj265/huntercall/MOTORMOUNTWORD.jpg

[mr_mazda329]

Yes you can. Have you tried using your scissor jack instead?

[08cosmic3]

Hey everyone, I am just in the middle of my install and cant seem to get the mount back in. I have tried switching the inserts around but i know i have them in correctly now. I just have one question: Can i take out these bolts to give it more space? Thanks in advance.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj265/huntercall/MOTORMOUNTWORD.jpg

Removing those three bolts is the easiest way to do the install. The inserts are not reversable, there is only one way for them to fit into the stock mount. If you don't have them in correctly the mount will be hard to get back in.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Don't use a scissor jack, just unhinge the exhaust fromn those hangers near the engine, and so you can move the engine around. That helped us.

[08cosmic3]

Why move the engine around, just remove those three bolts and your done.

[mr_mazda329]

Either way, both methods work. Dont know about the exhaust hangar deal.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I don't like the idea of removing those three bolts. They were installed from the factory, i'd rather not touch them with the risk of them backing out. By unhinging the exhaust from their hangers at that area, it allows more room to move the engine so you can wedge the mount back in.

And I don't like the scissor jack method because I don't like the idea, lol.

[mr_mazda329]

And I don't like the scissor jack method because I don't like the idea, lol.



Hahaha...fair enough

[Silver Ecstasy]

Seriously, I don't enjoy the idea of wedging a jack between the engine and the frame, especially when someone made mention of positioning it between the OIL PAN? No thanks..i'm not putting that kind of pressure against my oil pan.

Not to mention, someone's going to eventually fuck something up, and they're not going to enjoy explaining that to the dealership. So i'd rather leave the scissor jack method out of the equation.

When we were installing the CS inserts on my car, I was dealing with a slight knee injury so I wasn't able to get underneath the car. What we heard is, the motor mount is significantly thicker with the inserts. By unhinging the exhaust from the hangars, we were able to move the engine enough so that Matt (CWPspeed3)'s dad could slide it back into place.

[PCspeed3]

Thanks for all of the responses. I took a look at the TRZ Dogbone How to before I started but that didnt help in terms of needing to know I had to take those 3 bolts out Maybe sombody should make a quick how to with this mount....

[mo4130]

When I was searching their website the other day, they had a combo deal on two sets of inserts, I imagine the passenger side and the mm. Also they didn't list a different color.

[Silver Ecstasy]

You do not need nor do I recommend removing those 3 bolts. Leave it alone and have a friend move the engine or rock the engine.

[spdjnke]

Well When I did mine it took SERIOUSLY only 15 minutes. I took off the 3 bolts holding the mount brace and the 2 on the mount, totally easy did it by myself with no rocking of motor, just a slight pull forward to reinstall and torque the motor mount bracket bolts. So EASY.

[mattj3636]

i jsut took the old MM out, driving around with no MM is soo much better

[Silver Ecstasy]

Matt, please tell me you're kidding lol...

[mattj3636]

i tried making one outta cardboard but it didnt work out, so now im rolling without one

[08cosmic3]

Well When I did mine it took SERIOUSLY only 15 minutes. I took off the 3 bolts holding the mount brace and the 2 on the mount, totally easy did it by myself with no rocking of motor, just a slight pull forward to reinstall and torque the motor mount bracket bolts. So EASY.

Easiest way. 30 mins. tops.

[Silver Ecstasy]

i tried making one outta cardboard but it didnt work out, so now im rolling without one

Either i'm gullible or you're crazy.

[mattj3636]

lol im crazy.. but it drives a lot better without one... its pretty sick

[spdjnke]

Easiest way. 30 mins. tops.

Well I don't know about you, but Copperkid was over and he was there timing me when I did it. He's took like 2 hours cuz we just couldn't get 2 out of the 3 bolts loose on the brace even with a breaker bar. Mine really only took 15 minutes, the key is to drive the car get the block heated and the bolts came right off like butter, plus I was on ramps.

[NiteRunner]

It's been 17 days since Ken told me these shipped and no mounts.
I sent him a message Thursday night and no reply, any ideas?
Did you guys get a tracking number?

[mr_mazda329]

No, but I did get mine in 2 days UPS ground direct form Corksport.

[jon619]

It's been 17 days since Ken told me these shipped and no mounts.
I sent him a message Thursday night and no reply, any ideas?
Did you guys get a tracking number?

Check your account info at PG and then ask Ken for a tracking #. 17 days is not acceptable. Mine came in about a week to CA.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Did you follow the instructions properly when ordering through PG? Most people end up not continuing towards the end of the instructions with Paypal, and the order never gets put through.

[spdjnke]

It's been 17 days since Ken told me these shipped and no mounts.
I sent him a message Thursday night and no reply, any ideas?
Did you guys get a tracking number?

Ken is starting to worry me actually, Copperkid ordered a CorkSport CBE from him and the damn thing never showed and he even called and talked to him, he gave him the "SHIPPED" date but never a tracking #, said it was being drop shipped from CorkSport so we called them and they said NO one ever order no CBE from PG about any customer...needless to say he's still dealing with that as we speak actually 1 month later.

[PCspeed3]

PG's setup is wack. You have to return to the website after you send the payment via Paypal and click continue to fully complete the order.

Otherwise, the Corksport MM is very nice! Some vibrations at idle but they arnt anything to worry about. However, they should label them top and bottom to make sure it is installed correctly, I was confused.

[NiteRunner]

Did you follow the instructions properly when ordering through PG? Most people end up not continuing towards the end of the instructions with Paypal, and the order never gets put through.

No, I didn't even see the additional requirements. I shop mostly online, and this is unusual. Also I don't like being redirected from site to site. I try to log in using my own bookmarks for security purposes. Sent Ken PM, he is looking for a tracking number as of yesterday. If most people make this mistake, maybe it should be changed.


PG's setup is wack. You have to return to the website after you send the payment via Paypal and click continue to fully complete the order.

+1(headshake

[MS3Steve]

Mine took about a week from PG, just wanted to add myself to list of satisfied customers of this cheap mod. I've read so much about the mm upgrade on are cars, for $40 you can't go wrong.

[PCspeed3]

just to let y'all know, I installed these upside down at first on accident and it vibrated quite a bit. Today I switched it to the correct orientation and there is next to no vibes. So if you are getting vibrations, your put it in backwards!

[Captain KRM P5]

No, I didn't even see the additional requirements. I shop mostly online, and this is unusual. Also I don't like being redirected from site to site. I try to log in using my own bookmarks for security purposes. Sent Ken PM, he is looking for a tracking number as of yesterday. If most people make this mistake, maybe it should be changed.



+1(headshake

i believe i sent you an email regarding your order yesterday. if you did not get it, let me know.

as for paypal, i am not the only site that requires you to click the yellow "return to merchant" icon. ATP turbo for example requires it and has for years. before customers even select a payment method it is, no offense, written in bold and italicized print on the checkout page. paypal is an external system that shopping cart programmers have to work around, paypal is not going to make adjustments for us. for any change to be made, we would have to ditch our current shopping cart and go with an entirely new system from scratch. and right now, that is most definetely not in the cards as a desire or nessecity for us.

[NiteRunner]

It's been 17 days since Ken told me these shipped and no mounts.
I sent him a message Thursday night and no reply, any ideas?
Did you guys get a tracking number?

Well after 23 days my inserts finally came today. Not sure what happened, but Protege Garage paid to overnight express these to me.

Question; Are there supposed to be installation instructions? I've looked at the pics here that seem easy enough to figure out, but I'd like a little something more. Sorry if there is a how to I missed, I did check, but to no avail.

[MS3Steve]

They don't come with instructions, but there used to be a how to for installing a TRZ MM and you're right I can't find it now either. It's pretty easy to get the mount out, but is a little more difficult to put back since the mount becomes thicker with the inserts installed.

[DaleNixon]

Mine came with instructions.

[MS3Steve]

Actually Niterunner I just found the post, like I said its for the TRZ but its very similar, between that and the pics at the beginning of this thread you should be fine.
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123688136&highlight=dogbone

[mr_mazda329]

Mine came with instructions

[NiteRunner]

Actually Niterunner I just found the post, like I said its for the TRZ but its very similar, between that and the pics at the beginning of this thread you should be fine.
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123688136&highlight=dogbone

Thanks Steve, will be putting them in while I install my CP-E SRI on Tuesday hopefully.

[mr_mazda329]

Thanks Steve, will be putting them in while I install my CP-E SRI on Tuesday hopefully.


Any update on you getting yours installed?

[YOX]

I had my motor mounts installed by a repair shop. I really have to rev the engine alot in first gear so I don't stall. It definitely doesn't start as smooth as it used to. Some people have said that they could have been installed backwards, but others say the mm can't be installed incorrectly. Is this bad vibration the way it's supposed to be? Thanks.

[mr_mazda329]

It must be installed wrong if you are getting bad vibrations. It's not supposed to be noticable

[DaleNixon]

I think the wrong insert can be forced in on the wrong side of the mount. This install should make your car EASIER to avoid stalling not harder.

[mr_mazda329]

Can you get under your car and take pictures? We can better assist you if you did that.

[jon619]

I had my motor mounts installed by a repair shop. I really have to rev the engine alot in first gear so I don't stall. It definitely doesn't start as smooth as it used to. Some people have said that they could have been installed backwards, but others say the mm can't be installed incorrectly. Is this bad vibration the way it's supposed to be? Thanks.

I say give it a little time to settle in. If it still feels bad, then get under the car and take a look. It CAN be installed backwards. There are pictures.

[Abilor]

AHEM. Dogbone FTW.

[mr_mazda329]

LoL Abilor...He said he doesn't like the vibes.

[Abilor]

LoL Abilor...He said he doesn't like the vibes.

Vibes? It vibes? I hadn't noticed really...

[mr_mazda329]

Which one do you have. My friends TRZ derlin vibes bad at start up.

[Abilor]

Which one do you have. My friends TRZ derlin vibes bad at start up.

Nah man, I was being a dick. It vibes like the chair at the mall. I actually quite like it though. So do the ladies... (bolt)

[mr_mazda329]

ROTFL... I bet they do. Gets them all warmed up for you.

[DaleNixon]

Cat avatars only on this page, plz.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I had my motor mounts installed by a repair shop. I really have to rev the engine alot in first gear so I don't stall. It definitely doesn't start as smooth as it used to. Some people have said that they could have been installed backwards, but others say the mm can't be installed incorrectly. Is this bad vibration the way it's supposed to be? Thanks.


You're just not revving enough and the engine is bogging. Your engine was flexing alot to get the car moving before. Now, it's being kept more in place and when you try to get the car moving with the clutch, it's going to take a tad more gas. But the positive is more power to the ground and more precise shifting without the pain of extreme vibes. Mine already broke right in, i'm almost going to order a new TRZ or AWR..

[Abilor]

Cat avatars only on this page, plz.

Very well.

[Abilor]

Even better...

[ericrapp]

You're just not revving enough and the engine is bogging. Your engine was flexing alot to get the car moving before. Now, it's being kept more in place and when you try to get the car moving with the clutch, it's going to take a tad more gas. But the positive is more power to the ground and more precise shifting without the pain of extreme vibes. Mine already broke right in, i'm almost going to order a new TRZ or AWR.. yes, i would check to see if it is installed correct first. I have the CS for about a year and at first it was quite noticable and good for getting rid of wheel hop. But it is the mildest upgrade onthe market i think. A good piece for sure! But I also am ready for a more track oriented setup, all the motor mounts package that is now available for us, And i hope my fillings fall out as long as the car is tight and the power gets to the ground!

[Silver Ecstasy]

So..I installed the motor mount inserts quite a while ago (last October I think). As of now, they're completely transparent. AWR Race Motor Mount goes in tomorrow...

Who else thinks these things were transparent after a while? I guess I should have listened to other reviews. They definitely did well at first.

[DaleNixon]

I think they were great, but I moved on to TRZ mounts. Even broken in, I think the inserts at least keep the stock mount in good shape. That's a plus for sure.

[08cosmic3]

The inserts are a beginning, not a fix. I too started with the inserts and moved to a full mount.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I feel like it's done a poor job of keeping shifting and engine movement under control, as opposed to how it did when it was brand new, it did great. Why not make a stronger insert?

[mr_mazda329]

With having mine installed for 6 months and 5k miles now, Shifter feel is still good I think. The motor does rock a little, but nowhere near like stock or as violent. I agree, these mounts are just a temp fix because you still have the stock mount rubber that degrades. Maybe mine feels still pretty good, but possible becuase it doesn't get that cold here or something.

[gtlaw]

So..I installed the motor mount inserts quite a while ago (last October I think). As of now, they're completely transparent. AWR Race Motor Mount goes in tomorrow...

Who else thinks these things were transparent after a while? I guess I should have listened to other reviews. They definitely did well at first.


Take them out and see how transparent they are.. I did a week ago, and now I get crazy wheel hop, and it sounds like the motor is hitting the firewall.. The inserts are a great comprimise for a DD if you don't want tons of vibration

[Silver Ecstasy]

I agree, i'm sure it'd be unbelievable how much more the engine rocks.

But in terms of clutch consistency and improvement, I have to say on a scale of 1-10 this mod is a 6, with initial response of 8. It felt great at first and even felt like the exhaust note changed to a more aggressive tone. But it naturally faded away and so did my confidence it was doing anything.

I'm installing the AWR race mount tomorrow. After already having driven in a AWR-equipped MS3, i'm pretty confident i'll feel the power again of what it's like to keep the motor truely in place.

[dizzin9]

does it really make THAT big of a difference? why would the shifting improve?

[Silver Ecstasy]

Your engine moves and everytime it does, it pulls at your shift linkages and you can't always expect the same performance when the motors rocking back and forth.

[gtlaw]

I agree, i'm sure it'd be unbelievable how much more the engine rocks.

But in terms of clutch consistency and improvement, I have to say on a scale of 1-10 this mod is a 6, with initial response of 8. It felt great at first and even felt like the exhaust note changed to a more aggressive tone. But it naturally faded away and so did my confidence it was doing anything.

I'm installing the AWR race mount tomorrow. After already having driven in a AWR-equipped MS3, i'm pretty confident i'll feel the power again of what it's like to keep the motor truely in place.

I tried the trz delrin first it was way too loud,, the inserts don't help the shift feel as much, but they are doing something positive without a doubt.


does it really make THAT big of a difference? why would the shifting improve?

with a real solid mount it it night, and day

[tru-boost]

At least you check your part every now and then, good work. Make sure to do the samw with the awr. I ripped both street and race bushings right in half. If you dont drive too hard too often, you should be ok.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I hardly drive it hard, atleast compared to other folks who mash on it all the time.

But, even AWR equipped, the person who's car I drove has had zero issues with the mount.

[tru-boost]

You should be ok then. My awr's felt good, they just didnt last. Both of them broke in rather cold temps. I think their poly gets brittle in the cold and cracks.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Just installed the AWR 20 minutes ago with mazdaspeedster3, a couple notes:

-the cs insert mount was a total pita to remove. Had to undo the exhaust hangers near the mount to move the engine.

-the AWR mount is sick!!! The car is a totally transformed beast and feels 100% like it should have came like this. Vibes are very minimal at best!

Tru- what symptoms did you experience when the mounts broke on yours?

[gtlaw]

you could have removed the three bolts holding the aluminum bracket its very easy.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I could have, but I didn't feel like removing that. No need taking more stuff off the car that doesn't need to be removed!

[ericrapp]

[quote=Silver Ecstasy;4446041]Just installed the AWR 20 minutes ago with mazdaspeedster3, a couple notes:

-the cs insert mount was a total pita to remove. Had to undo the exhaust hangers near the mount to move the engine.

-the AWR mount is sick!!! The car is a totally transformed beast and feels 100% like it should have came like this. Vibes are very minimal at best!

I appreciate all your comments and agree on most too, but it is funny that you say " it should have come from the factory like this!" when I remember we all said the same thing after installing the Inserts. I least i did. What is the stiffest rear mount i can buy and who would you folks recommend has the best price? My insert is no longer cutting it. Vibrations be damned. Any thoughts on this

[Silver Ecstasy]

I agree that we all said that. Because that's how it was in the very beginning!

The awr mount is amazing. Trz is a little more rough for my liking..

Its very firm, and the shifting is fantastic. But both are amazing and a total must do mod.

[tru-boost]

TRZ makes the stiffest most race ready mounts avaiable. You can get them at Protege garage.

[08cosmic3]

This is the stiffest mount available. I hope this link is OK.

http://www.pt-performance.com/showProduct.php?vID=3&cID=4&pID=125&sID=fb9b8f5173858c43d25a68bf9f00f113

[Silver Ecstasy]

I can't say this enough, the AWR is hotness. Seriously, this mount is fantastic!

[ericrapp]

Thank you both. I am now on the hunt.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I believe Protege Garage is the only place that carries them. Not a lot of people know or care about the AWR since everyone and their mother make a motor mount now...too many on the market.

[Captain KRM P5]

I believe Protege Garage is the only place that carries them. Not a lot of people know or care about the AWR since everyone and their mother make a motor mount now...too many on the market.

you can get them straight from AWR as well if you wanted to

[ericrapp]

I was also looking at some solid mounts! and the side mounts that are now available too.

[meicalnissyen]

I can't get up the damn rhino ramps. They slid out from under me on the way up. This shit is scary. Any tips? I tried putting wood blocks in front to drive up, but those slid out too.

Have helpers brace the ramps with their feet (smash)

[DaleNixon]

Haha thanks for the BROTIPS! I'm a ramp expert now though!

[08cosmic3]

Ramps scare me. I never use them.

[DaleNixon]

The key is to use a mirror. Having someone guide you doesn't work very well. You really need to see where the wheels are.

[Hank3]

Ramps are easy to get up on after you've done it a few times. For me, it's about modulating the clutch and gas so you don't move the ramps too much. Once I'm up on the wood pieces, then I just make sure the ramps are lined up with the front wheels and slowly go up.

[Abilor]

Ramps Ftw

[ericrapp]

work in progress. i now have ramps. but i loaned them to my kid. i think ramps are probably ok

[UHATEIT]

I can't say this enough, the AWR is hotness. Seriously, this mount is fantastic!

have you tried the SU mount? if so, can you compare that for me with the AWR?

I drove someone elses car with the SU on it and it was perfect, but on my car is still feels a tad soft compared to the other car I drove with the SU on it.