Mazdaspeed Project!!

[mattj3636]

Just letting everyone know that I'm going to make my 2008 Mazdaspeed 3 into a project within the next couple months. Major work under the hood. I'm not gonna go public about the details because if it does fail, i don't wanna let everyone down, and don't want them to try it and fail as well. If you absolutely want to know what I'm going to be doing, just shoot me a PM. It's gonna be intense and in a couple months when I start it, to the couple months when it's done, the car will be a monster. Bye Bye Z06's.

[mdavis]

good luck getting all this new found power to the ground.

you should really reconsider and post pics of the build

[CWPspeed3]

Good luck with your rebuild. Photos along the way would be cool to see your progress.

[intak3_bLkMs3]

ive seen srt-4s with 700+ whp any car that is that high wont do a 40 roll at least they'll do a 60 and he'd probably spin athrew third and a bit threw 4th but once it catches by by

[mattj3636]

yeah thats what knowing how to drive with a turbo, hoosier exact fit DOT approved racing slicks, and high way rolls are for. plus suspension upgrades. haha.

[AAMguy]

the purpose of this post...???

"release to the public"

are you kidding me, what a tool

[CoolWhip]

You're 18, when I first got my car I wanted to do the same thing. Big turbo, built engine, big brakes, beefed up suspension. I suggest saving the cash for your classes and going out.

Sit down and see how much that is all going to cost you lol seriously its not worth it.

Big turbo - 1800$
TBE - 1000$
FMIC - 1000$
ECU - 400-500$
Pistons - 600$
Rods - 800$
Fuel Pump - 500$
Upgraded Clutch - 500-900$

That's performance mods alone not to mention other things like a meth kit, turbo inlet, intake, BOV/BPV, front sway bar, rear sway bar, coilovers, brace set, etc ... your going to want to slap some real nice tires/rims on there too, it just goes on and on. Its a drug! Damn it I got myself all hyped up lol

If your not doing all this by yourself labor is going to be a bitch then you have to think of cost of ownership and maintance.

I was 18 when I got my car too man and after I got into my buddy's twin turbo 350z I wanted to go all out man. ITS NOT WORTH IT!

[AAMguy]

not to mentions thousands of dollars in labor and tuning. but let me guess your high school shop class taught you how to do all of that...

:)

[CoolWhip]

not to mentions thousands of dollars in labor and tuning. but let me guess your high school shop class taught you how to do all of that...

:)

No need to be a dick (notcool)

Same thing happened to me over at the other forums, just needed someone to let me know whats good.

[AAMguy]

ha i come from the suby community we are all dicks.

[KOSMOS]

So what are your plans anyway? Members here could share the knowledge and help you not to fail.

[CoolWhip]

ha i come from the suby community we are all dicks.

Lol

[AAMguy]

So what are your plans anyway? Members here could share the knowledge and help you not to fail.

he is not releasing them to the public...

[CoolWhip]

So what are your plans anyway? Members here could share the knowledge and help you not to fail.

Evil monkey's setup Dyno'd @ over 400 Hp

Pauter rods 9:1
New stock rod bearings (change them out!)
CP Pistons .20 overbore
cp-e hpfp
cp-e xcel cai
cp-e fmic
cp-e standback2 w/ map clamp
cp-e catted turboback
GT3076R @ 25psi
DNP Manifold
Snow Performance meth injection (stage2)
Eagle studs (A MUST)
Heat wrap the shit outta everything!!!
Cometic head gasket
Greddy ProfecB spec2 EBC
Spec stage3+ clutch
Gauges (boost, egt, oil pressure
Dash hawk

[AAMguy]

i do not like the thought of an 18yr old driving a 400+whp fwd car on the street.

if you want my honest to go opinion get an intake, downpipe, some sort of tuning device and get the car properly tuned. get springs you most likely dont need coilovers. this would be pleny of bling and to show off for your friends and romp up on most of the cars in your area.

-and the only time in my life in which someone has ever said im not releasing the details of my car build and been one of my best friends who owns a very nice shop and we were building a twin turbo buyeye wrx. so i really dont know what you could be doing that would seem so extreme....

[CWPspeed3]

i do not like the thought of an 18yr old driving a 400+whp fwd car on the street.

Oh crap I was going to say "at least I dont have to worry about it" until I realized hes near me...

[mattj3636]

theres a local shop around where i live thats gonna be doing everything, already have the inlet, tuning programs, gauges, exhaust, front mount, and tires. not too worried about money situation considering where i go to college, co-op program, im getting paid every other 3 months so i have the money, and schools already paid off. iv talked to 3 shops around here and how ihave it planned out itll be a monster

[CoolWhip]

Oh crap I was going to say "at least I dont have to worry about it" until I realized hes near me...

Lol, well atleast if he does build this street machine you can watch it go in person.

[CoolWhip]

theres a local shop around where i live thats gonna be doing everything, already have the inlet, tuning programs, gauges, exhaust, front mount, and tires. not too worried about money situation considering where i go to college, co-op program, im getting paid every other 3 months so i have the money, and schools already paid off. iv talked to 3 shops around here and how ihave it planned out itll be a monster

Just out of curiosity what exhaust and which front mount?

[mattj3636]

corksport front mount, which includes inlet pipe and top mount ram air intake, and turbo xs downpipe race pip, with stock cat back .. all resonators/muffler cut out, and i already have the c-pe engine management, all 3 AEM gauges that i need. most of the little shit is taken care of already

[mattj3636]

and AAM the onyl reason im not releasing it is cause the first person to do a projkect like this no one could tune and he blew his motor, so i dont want people to know exactly how im running it until i see it running right, its not cause i dont want you to know, so dont talk shit jsut cause u dont got the balls to do it yourself, the cars a piece of shit stock outta the dealership but has so much potential

[CoolWhip]

corksport front mount, which includes inlet pipe and top mount ram air intake, and turbo xs downpipe race pip, with stock cat back .. all resonators/muffler cut out, and i already have the c-pe engine management, all 3 AEM gauges that i need. most of the little shit is taken care of already

Very nice, I don't know about Turbo XS, 3" into stock catback? Stock's piping is how large? Back pressure FTL, get a CBE soon or just get a custom one with larger piping.

[AAMguy]

sounds like a lot of talk

[tunersteve]

Alright, I'm gonna step in here and say a few things:

First, welcome. You chose a great car to pick up (or daddy bought for ya). Being 18 and driving a car like this is a great privilege. Not many can do that.

Reading your posts I'm gonna guess that you're a trust fund baby and going to Kettering on your parents dime. Good for you. Don't flunk out.

Now, let's get to the car. The MS3 is a great car, right out of the box. That's why it continues to win comparo tests and shootouts against other cars available in its segment. To call it a piece of shit right out of the box is sheer ignorance. Sure, to someone, every car is a piece of shit. It's no Lambo, and even then, they have their limits of engineering.

Next, let's address your absolutely ridiculous claim that you'll be smoking Z06's. Someone should slap you right now. Comparing a 263hp, 3300 lb FWD car to a 505hp, 3200 lb RWD car is audacious. No matter what you do, you won't be beating a ZO6, short of installing the AWD drivetrain from a MS6 and stripping the car down, finding a standalone ECU and tuning the biggest turbo imaginable, pushing 30 psi+ on a built motor. Hate to say it, but it won't happen.

Also, you've got all these 'shops' lined up to do your work. Awesome. Let's get some names, websites, etc. and see what they've got. Living in MI, I know a lot about what's going on in the Mazda scene, and I'm anxious to hear where you're getting your work done. All these 'parts' you've got, we've yet to see a pic of anything. No brands, just part names. It sounds like you went on a website, wrote every mod down, and put them in your first post. Nice work.

College is paid for. Congrats. Hate to say it, but noone on this forum (or anywhere for that matter) gives a flying fuck. I suggest if you plan on sticking around this forum that you wise up. 18 and stupid is no way to go through life.

[AAMguy]

and AAM the onyl reason im not releasing it is cause the first person to do a projkect like this no one could tune and he blew his motor, so i dont want people to know exactly how im running it until i see it running right, its not cause i dont want you to know, so dont talk shit jsut cause u dont got the balls to do it yourself, the cars a piece of shit stock outta the dealership but has so much potential

HAHAHAHAHA i guess my lack of "balls" is why my 35r is just laying around the house. Gosh I wish I had some "balls' tp put it on. Oh what to do, please help me, I need your wise in put to guide me.

i spent more money on my last transmission which i earned myself (what a crazy idea) then your entire build will probably consist of. Now go run to daddy and...



stfu

[CoolWhip]

Alright, I'm gonna step in here and say a few things:

First, welcome. You chose a great car to pick up (or daddy bought for ya). Being 18 and driving a car like this is a great privelige. Not many can do that.

Reading your posts I'm gonna guess that you're a trust fund baby and going to Kettering on your parents dime. Good for you. Don't flunk out.

Now, let's get to the car. The MS3 is a great car, right out of the box. That's why it continues to win comparo tests and shootouts against other cars available in its segment. To call it a piece of shit right out of the box is sheer ignorance. Sure, to someone, every car is a piece of shit. It's no Lambo, and even then, they have their limits of engineering.

Next, let's address your absolutely ridiculous claim that you'll be smoking Z06's. Someone should slap you right now. Comparing a 263hp, 3300 lb FWD car to a 505hp, 3200 lb RWD car is audacious. No matter what you do, you won't be beating a ZO6, short of installing the AWD drivetrain from a MS6 and stripping the car down, finding a standalone ECU and tuning the biggest turbo imaginable, pushing 30 psi+ on a built motor. Hate to say it, but it won't happen.

Also, you've got all these 'shops' lined up to do your work. Awesome. Let's get some names, websites, etc. and see what they've got. Living in MI, I know a lot about what's going on in the Mazda scene, and I'm anxious to hear where you're getting your work done. All these 'parts' you've got, we've yet to see a pic of anything. No brands, just part names. It sounds like you went on a website, wrote every mod down, and put them in your first post. Nice work.

College is paid for. Congrats. Hate to say it, but noone on this forum (or anywhere for that matter) gives a flying fuck. I suggest if you plan on sticking around this forum that you wise up. 18 and stupid is no way to go through life.

Ouch! Burned (bowdown)

[mattj3636]

1. actually no, im paying monthly for the car, and got a full ride to kettering for engineering some from the college and some from financial aid becuase my dad passed away.

2. the car has so many issues with recalls and warranty problems.

3. speed industry in troy michigan. speedindustry.biz. they jsut did a speed6 that has 410 whp.

4. around 400 whp in a front wheel drive car with a thruway pull will beat a 450 whp zo6. ill upload a video of my buddys 400 hp tc pulling on a zo6.

5. FWD is better than AWD on the thruway, im going for a thruway race, not a stoplight racer.

6. corksport front mount, turbo xs downpipe racepipe, cpe engine management, mazda block with pauter rods, wiseco pistons, ARP main studs, ARP head studs, DNP Manifold, garret 3071 turbo, c-pe HPFpump, spec3 clutch... i kno what i have/ waht im getting/ and no, i paid for all my shit myself, including the car.

so when u decide to say daddy bought me the car? try to think shit through first.

[tunersteve]

1. actually no, im paying monthly for the car, and got a full ride to kettering for engineering some from the college and some from financial aid becuase my dad passed away.

2. the car has so many issues with recalls and warranty problems.

3. speed industry in troy michigan. speedindustry.biz. they jsut did a speed6 that has 410 whp.

4. around 400 whp in a front wheel drive car with a thruway pull will beat a 450 whp zo6. ill upload a video of my buddys 400 hp tc pulling on a zo6.

5. FWD is better than AWD on the thruway, im going for a thruway race, not a stoplight racer.

6. corksport front mount, turbo xs downpipe racepipe, cpe engine management, mazda block with pauter rods, wiseco pistons, ARP main studs, ARP head studs, DNP Manifold, garret 3071 turbo, c-pe HPFpump, spec3 clutch... i kno what i have/ waht im getting/ and no, i paid for all my shit myself, including the car.

so when u decide to say daddy bought me the car? try to think shit through first.


Bragging about what you've got and how things are paid off make you look like an ass on here. You'll learn that in time.

As far as the car goes, I'm not sure what you consider to be 'a lot'. Turbo seals, stereo issues, and a few other little things aren't all that bad. It could be worse, it could be a Chrysler product. The warranty issues are basically the risk you take when you mod it. I've been through it myself. You gotta pay to play.

I've been following that SI build of the MS6. I'm still interested to see your parts that are laying around your house. Sounds like you're going to have some traction and boost/fuel cut issues when you get all those parts on. Best of luck with the build.

[CoolWhip]

You probably won't be able to upload the vid, you'd have to send it via pm.

All in all, its just not worth it. If this car is your DD .....

[tunersteve]

You probable won't be able to upload the vid, you'd have to send it via pm.

All in all, its just not worth it. If this car is your DD .....

If the vid is on youtube, he can embed it into a post and it should show up fine.

[CoolWhip]

If the vid is on youtube, he can embed it into a post and it should show up fine.

Isn't street racing prohibited here?

M247 not MSF

[tunersteve]

Yeah, that is true. I'd settle for a PM with the link to the video.

[CoolWhip]

*Points to Youtube account link in sig*

[AAMguy]

took the liberty of emailing speedindustry.biz

its now a waiting game :)

[mattj3636]

aright guys, how about this, you worry about your car, ill worry about mine, and when/if its done, ill come back and show you pics and vids, until then, dont believe me, call me a tool, whatever you'd like, say im bragging because i backed myself up from all the shit your talking, whatever its all good. i posted originally because not many people have made projects out of a speed 3 and i was going to let people know how it went when it was up and running as it should have, not to start some stupid bickering about where/what/how much bullshit, worry about your own damn cars.

[tunersteve]

aright guys, how about this, you worry about your car, ill worry about mine, and when/if its done, ill come back and show you pics and vids, until then, dont believe me, call me a tool, whatever you'd like, say im bragging because i backed myself up from all the shit your talking, whatever its all good. i posted originally because not many people have made projects out of a speed 3 and i was going to let people know how it went when it was up and running as it should have, not to start some stupid bickering about where/what/how much bullshit, worry about your own damn cars.

So you sit here and run your mouth, then when you get called out, you try to play games and distract people? You opened the can of worms, not everyone else.

[mattj3636]

i didnt run my mouth at all, people ask about engine builds all the time so i was letting those people know that im gonna start one in a couple months and if they really wanted to know the details they could pm me. i didnt wanna go public because if it does turn out shitty then 1. the shop doesnt look like shit, 2. people dont do it to there cars and ahve the same results.

i didnt get called out either, everything i say i have i do, i dont care if u guys believe it or not lol cause it doesnt matter, i didnt open the thread to start a whos got what and an argument, as soon as i got the car running i was gonna post pics and videos of dyno pulls, i wasnt doing it to brag.

[haze20]

i do not like the thought of an 18yr old driving a 400+whp fwd car on the street.

if you want my honest to go opinion get an intake, downpipe, some sort of tuning device and get the car properly tuned. get springs you most likely dont need coilovers. this would be pleny of bling and to show off for your friends and romp up on most of the cars in your area.

-and the only time in my life in which someone has ever said im not releasing the details of my car build and been one of my best friends who owns a very nice shop and we were building a twin turbo buyeye wrx. so i really dont know what you could be doing that would seem so extreme....

I take it you know Kienan. If he ever get the tranny to hold the thing will be a absolute monster.

[KZL_99ES]

wow, i think i stumbled on a dramafest... enjoy yourselves!

[AAMguy]

I take it you know Kienan. If he ever get the tranny to hold the thing will be a absolute monster.

yea verns ra trans is in it now, i think he is going to put in an auto. but yea ive been around before the shop was a shop haha, we all went to school together.

[haze20]

yea verns ra trans is in it now, i think he is going to put in an auto. but yea ive been around before the shop was a shop haha, we all went to school together.

Yeah he seems to think the auto is the only way to get it to stay together.

[AAMguy]

Yeah he seems to think the auto is the only way to get it to stay together.

it is if a striaght cut wont hold it i dont know wat will, striaght cut held my wrx, but i wasnt over 500 whp...actually if you have been to the shop i am the one who painted the wall

[dandan2]

ill i have to say is you guys are assholes! let him do what he wants! its his fuckin money! look at all the poeple who threw shit loads of money into a car that cant even handle anymore that 450 horsepower safely on even a built tranny!(msp) i have thousands of dollars invested in my msp and earned every bit i put into the damn thing! and its still slow as fuck compared to the ms3! who are you guys to tell him he didnt earn that money to mod his car! if ur not interested in his build or u just wanna bash it stay outa his thread! nuff said!

[haze20]

it is if a striaght cut wont hold it i dont know wat will, striaght cut held my wrx, but i wasnt over 500 whp...actually if you have been to the shop i am the one who painted the wall

Ahh. Been there plenty of times. Are you Duncan by chance?

[jlocurto]

goddamn all i gotta say is im 19 yrs old with a speed3
i dont know shit so i take everyone's advice
and the best of luck with this car i cant wait to see it done!

[MakeMeGoFast]

wow, i think i stumbled on a dramafest... enjoy yourselves!

Right......a kid comes in say he wants to go big. And everyone jumps on ass about not wanting to disclose every detail to them as if its there rite to now. And that automatically makes him an ass. BLAh. Let him do his thing and sit back and watch the show.

[dandan2]

word

[mattj3636]

thank youu

[AAMguy]

Ahh. Been there plenty of times. Are you Duncan by chance?

nope not dunc

[MakeMeGoFast]

thank youu

Just be smart about this shit man. Don't fly to close to the sun

[AAMguy]

ill i have to say is you guys are assholes! let him do what he wants! its his fuckin money! look at all the poeple who threw shit loads of money into a car that cant even handle anymore that 450 horsepower safely on even a built tranny!(msp) i have thousands of dollars invested in my msp and earned every bit i put into the damn thing! and its still slow as fuck compared to the ms3! who are you guys to tell him he didnt earn that money to mod his car! if ur not interested in his build or u just wanna bash it stay outa his thread! nuff said!

no one here is putting him down for the money deal, but he came in here tooting his own horn, wtf who doesnt release stuff to the publice. makes him sound like an ass. plus everyone on here is an enthusiast so there cars are there projects, so for this kid to come in and say 1st off the cars are pos is putting down everyone that bought this car and cant afford to mod them. 2nd off a lot of us have tons of plans for our car, but you dont see me posting how I am going to do all this stuff. If he does what he says he is going to do then more power to him, he can just come at it a different way.

and btw if u have a car pushing 500+ whp stuff is going to break u moron. show me a bullt drag car that doesnt break?!?!? especially drivetrain failure.

[mattj3636]

i didnt mean it to sound like im tooting my horn, i didnt wanna release exact plans because if it doesnt work out then i make everything involved look like a fool, so i was gonna throw all that shit on after i knew it was running how i wanted it to. and i said mine was cause all little shit kept going bad and dealership wouldnt cover any of it so im going back and redoing the whole damn thing. i didnt meant o knock the speed3 or make it seem like i was.. tooting my horn. i know its gonna caost me a shit load and it might not be worth it cause of traction issues and what not, but its my goal and i wanted to post my goal, 1 to get people on here to ask about it and give opinions, positive ones really, 2 to show everyone when it was done exactly what i did. it might be a waste of money but it might be so worth it, thats the gamble im willing to take, you only live once so im gonna go big, i didnt mean to come off as a snob about it or anyhting

[AAMguy]

but we cant help you out if u dont at least tell us what u r doing ??

[CWPspeed3]

thats the problem with forums, tone is never interpreted and then this happens. I think if thats your goal and you have the means to do it go for it. Like with any built car your going to have different issues but if you have the cash to do it you should have cash to fix it so hopefully it works out for you. Are you going to do the build over winter?

[tunersteve]

but we cant help you out if u dont at least tell us what u r doing ??

Exactly. Sounds like you are new to the game, and there's a lot about these cars that is still unknown. I came from a Protege where everyone had most everything figured out and you could run a bunch of different setups, but with the MS6/MS3, it's not so simple.


i didnt mean it to sound like im tooting my horn, i didnt wanna release exact plans because if it doesnt work out then i make everything involved look like a fool, so i was gonna throw all that shit on after i knew it was running how i wanted it to. and i said mine was cause all little shit kept going bad and dealership wouldnt cover any of it so im going back and redoing the whole damn thing. i didnt meant o knock the speed3 or make it seem like i was.. tooting my horn. i know its gonna caost me a shit load and it might not be worth it cause of traction issues and what not, but its my goal and i wanted to post my goal, 1 to get people on here to ask about it and give opinions, positive ones really, 2 to show everyone when it was done exactly what i did. it might be a waste of money but it might be so worth it, thats the gamble im willing to take, you only live once so im gonna go big, i didnt mean to come off as a snob about it or anyhting

The initial post just pissed me off that you came in spouting off. The tone was misread in the posts. Coming in saying you'll beat things isn't going to do anything. If you start this build and you learn and show people what you find out, you'll gain loads more respect than just coming in saying things. Pictures speak a thousand words, especially when people don't know you. Being a MI guy, I'm hoping to see this build in some form. BTW, hit up the MI section of the forums and see whats going on there.

[mattj3636]

arihgt, my apologies, i didnt wanna siund like im gonna have the best mazda blah blah, i was just simply saying what i was planning on doing and adding the zo6 thing in for laughs, and another reason i wanted to keep it on the down low is because speedindustry didnt really want there shit public that they dont know will work out perfectly, which is respectible, thats another reason why. but its pretty much the same set up that the evil monkey guy did, and as soon as i get a price from SI im gonna set up a time for end of winter/beginning spring when my second class term begins for kettering. as soon as it begins ill have them take pics and ill be there as much as possible taking pics, and they will be up. so agian im sorry for making myself look like an ass and it came off completely wrong, and ill start a new thread as soon as this project goes underway.

[sperry]

"Thruway racing" eh? Is that SCCA or NASA sanctioned? ...I can't seem to find the class rules anywhere on their websites. (uhm)

If you really wanted to help the community out, you'd share everything you're working on, especially things that fail, since trying and failing is usually the very best (albeit expensive) way to learn.

For example, I recently learned that the stamped steel WRX LCA's can come apart catastrophically:

http://www.seccs.org/gallery/Car%20Pictures/Doink%20WRX/Broken%20Stuff/LCA%20Failure/BorkyMcWheel.jpg

Not wanting to share with your "cutting edge" work is like a big F.U. to those on the board.

*files thread under "I'll believe it when I see it"*

[AAMguy]

woohoo another suby brother! i feel home. lol

[mrjoshyman]

first off i've gotta say good luck dude -- i'm excited to see how this comes along.

for all the people making comments about his age -- just keep ur judgments to yourself, i too am 18 and i pay for everything myself...its not unheard of...

lets try and keep it positive

[sperry]

woohoo another suby brother! i feel home. lol
Yeah.. I was this >< close to pulling the trigger on a MS3, but I just couldn't justify a new car considering I just bought a house and the economy's decision to take a nose dive.

It's a lot cheaper to just keep the paid-for SVX running than to pony up for a $25k car, no matter how bad-ass they are out of the box. Plus, the race car seems to cost me just as much in maintenance as the MS3 would in payments. :mad:

[SwampAss]

I'm building an MS3 that beats the MS3 that beats the Z06.

[sperry]

I'm building an MS3 that beats the MS3 that beats the Z06.
I can think of two ways to pull that off:

1) Strap a rocket motor to the roof

or

2) Have an MS3 that's not imaginary

[SwampAss]

I work for the dept of the Navy. I bet I have a JATO connection and don't know it....yet

[tunersteve]

first off i've gotta say good luck dude -- i'm excited to see how this comes along.

for all the people making comments about his age -- just keep ur judgments to yourself, i too am 18 and i pay for everything myself...its not unheard of...

lets try and keep it positive

Well, I think this thread has already taken a positive turn. As for being 18 and paying for everything, been there and done that. More power if you can do that and still be responsible. Being 23 now and almost done with school, I realize that it made me a more responsible person because of it.

Hey, we could be SRT guys..(boom04)

[SwampAss]

I'm 34 and my mom bought my car, my house, and gives me an allowance for hookers and blow.

[sperry]

I'm 34 and my mom bought my car, my house, and gives me an allowance for hookers and blow.
Can I have your mom's phone number?

[AAMguy]

Can I have your mom's phone number for sexy time?

[AAMguy]

I can think of two ways to pull that off:

1) Strap a rocket motor to the roof

or

2) Have an MS3 that's not imaginary

no sir there is one more way...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/mattyk04/pimpmyride.jpg

[tunersteve]

WOW, classy!

Always something interesting on M247

[dandan2]

who u callin a dumb ass? i said 450, i dont know where u got 500+ from dumb shit! who said anything bout drag car! im pretty sure we are talkin dd car here! dont think the msp would ever make a good drag car! watch were ur throwing those words! keep ur smart ass remarks in the subi forum! for all im concerned ur a mazda community reject

[AAMguy]

who u callin a dumb ass? i said 450, i dont know where u got 500+ from dumb shit! who said anything bout drag car! im pretty sure we are talkin dd car here! dont think the msp would ever make a good drag car! watch were ur throwing those words! keep ur smart ass remarks in the subi forum! for all im concerned ur a mazda community reject

haahaha what a joke (fu)

[mattj3636]

yeah true, so since tunersteve as lightened up a bit, if everything goes as plans, how would you recommend keeping the wheels from spinning, ridiculous suspension work and hoosier a6 street slicks? lol

[mattj3636]

oh and sperry, like i said in the previous posts, when the project is underway im gonna be posting pics, im not planning on starting it for a couple months so i can save up money from my work term. so you can believe it when you see when i start a new thread of how its coming along, and what failed and what didnt.

[AAMguy]

yeah true, so since tunersteve as lightened up a bit, if everything goes as plans, how would you recommend keeping the wheels from spinning, ridiculous suspension work and hoosier a6 street slicks? lol

thats going to take the most work, most likely u will have to try a few different types of tires, tire pressure...suspension will play a big part. i would look at what other setups other high hp fwd cars are running and see if you can make a general plan around that for a start.

[tunersteve]

yeah true, so since tunersteve as lightened up a bit, if everything goes as plans, how would you recommend keeping the wheels from spinning, ridiculous suspension work and hoosier a6 street slicks? lol

Hey, I'm actually a nice guy once ya get to know me.

I'd suggest going with a wider tire, like an 18x8, and getting a sticky ass street tire. Not really sure what else to tell ya. Traction isn't much of an issue for me (2thumbs)

[MakeMeGoFast]

who u callin a dumb ass? i said 450, i dont know where u got 500+ from dumb shit! who said anything bout drag car! im pretty sure we are talkin dd car here! dont think the msp would ever make a good drag car! watch were ur throwing those words! keep ur smart ass remarks in the subi forum! for all im concerned ur a mazda community reject

Wow dude.....just stop.

And about the Protege not being a good drag car. I think it could compete.........

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Turbo-Drag-Protege-vs-SMP_182298.htm

End rant.....
Back on topic



And about the traction? What the widest tire anyone has put on the MS3 so far without major modification?

[mattj3636]

hhaa i already through 225s on my stock wheels, i was planning on keeping the stock wheels, but i dont think 235s fit.. maybe ill get some 18 x 8s and throw some 245s..


hoosier, bfg, yokohama, nitto make street drag radials that are all dot approved, theyre sticky as hell im assuming but ill wear them out being on a daily driver haha

[AAMguy]

hhaa i already through 225s on my stock wheels, i was planning on keeping the stock wheels, but i dont think 235s fit.. maybe ill get some 18 x 8s and throw some 245s..


hoosier, bfg, yokohama, nitto make street drag radials that are all dot approved, theyre sticky as hell im assuming but ill wear them out being on a daily driver haha

on my old gti that was only make like 320 i had 225 nitto drag rads on the car and the car still would get loose pretty bad, i didnt daily it, so i cant even imagine the pain that u r going to go through

[mattj3636]

yeah i kno i have that ocming, but daily driving i would be lettin full boost hit so im not worried about that, its when those civic tuners come up and see a wagon is when i need traction the most.. ill ask the guys at the shop or tire places i guess.. idk, im thinking the hoosiers cant be too bad, i mean.. its hoosier haha, its pretty much a slick with 2 small lines of tread

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hoosier&tireModel=A6&vehicleSearch=false&partnum=24ZR8A6&fromCompare1=yes&place=49

[mattj3636]

wouldnt be letting full boost hit *****

[AAMguy]

have fun replacing those every couple thousand miles...

remember the street is no where for 400whp to come loose when u try to have some fun with a honda....not worth it.

when i was younger yeah a fun race was from a dig to like 60 mph and it was done, it want until i had my first high powered car that i realize now a good race started at 60 mph and went well until someone ran out of juice

so just becareful

[MakeMeGoFast]

See if you can shove some 275/35-18 under there.....lol


That brings up the next question whats the widest wheel anyone has put on a MS3?

[AAMguy]

See if you can shove some 275/35-18 under there.....lol


That brings up the next question whats the widest wheel anyone has put on a MS3?

i think i saw a 245

[mattj3636]

if i could slam a 245 on that would be glorious, but it wouldnt be on the stock wheel, what if i got a 15 inch centerline drag wheel ahahah... but thats the only racing i like is highway rolls. tahts all the matters, digs are aright but obv i wouldnt take that cause ill spin through 3rd.

unless i throw 275s on there and have the wheel sticking out the side of the car.. cough gay cough.

[MakeMeGoFast]

PFFT.....not when you don't have traction problems.....lol

16's are the smallest you could fit over the stock breaks.

[mattj3636]

smaller wheel i dont thnk would help a whole lot... whats the widest 18 inch wheel there is?

[mattj3636]

i can try to find some 18x10 or 18 x 12s, haha or jsut a 235 hoosier racing slick on my stock wheels, it has to give me some traction

[MakeMeGoFast]

Wider than you need on the MS3.

There is a Wide body kit for the 3 but its ugly as sin

[mattj3636]

what do u mean, 235s would be too wide?

[MakeMeGoFast]

Sorry that was suppost to be a reply for post #86

[mattj3636]

ohh yeah, idk. im sure i could get a 18x8 thatll fit and throw 235s on it. hm. i problably shouldnt worry about that until the first part of the project is underway, huh. haha

[stockms3]

u want drag radials? thats weak lol

1. Smaller breaks
2. 14' wheels
3. Hoosiers with big sidewalls :D

[MakeMeGoFast]

In all honesty if your going as big as your say you are. Your gonna want to shove the widest tire you can into the wheel well.

[MakeMeGoFast]

u want drag radials? thats weak lol

1. Smaller breaks
2. 14' wheels
3. Hoosiers with big sidewalls :D

Bad idea. this isnt for a drag setup.

1. Bad idea If anything he is gonna want bigger brakes
2. bigger sidewall means less stability at high speed.

[mattj3636]

ill talk to the shop and see what they say the biggest wheel size is that i could throw on there without work, if it sticks out, hey it shows i got something under the hood right? haha.. im gonna stick with 18s tho.

then i can throw a fat 245+ street drag radial on there, or just a sticky extreme performance, as long as theyre wide as all hell

[mattj3636]

or what i should do is find this guy whos also running 400+ at the wheels and just see his traction issue and what hes done, if anyone knows his name or accfount Id, that would be greatly appreciated haha

[MakeMeGoFast]

These are 235/40's. 245/40's should be a problem.

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t130/eddieviper/DSCN2627.jpg

[mattj3636]

should/shouldnt? and how wide are those wheels, stock ms3 i believe are 7.5... i might need new wheels up front... 8's probably for 235 / 245

[MakeMeGoFast]

or what i should do is find this guy whos also running 400+ at the wheels and just see his traction issue and what hes done, if anyone knows his name or accfount Id, that would be greatly appreciated haha

Well traction bars will be in order most definitely. Aslo you may want to browse through some SRT4 forums for some traction help and see if you can adapt it to the MS3

[mattj3636]

yeah cus theres a hell of a lot srt4s with 400+, they gotta have some solutions haha

[MakeMeGoFast]

Those are 8"

[mattj3636]

aright so wheel shopping it is, haha. and have make a full brace set from front of the car to the rear that replaces stock plus adds more, should help a hell of a lot

[mattj3636]

yeah, the stage 2 cobb tuning suspension kit, front rear sway bars and springs, plus gt spec underbracing full kit... that would help a ton im assuming.

[mdavis]

Step 1: buy a used LS7
Step 2: find a way to cram it in the bay
Step 3: supercharge it
Step 4: NITROUS!!!!

that should make some pretty big numbers, and it would be a total sleeper

[pidass15]

Cobb has fit 255 in the front so as far as I know that's the biggest.

[pidass15]

Oh, yea I'm gonna be building a sweet ass ms3 that will romp on a viper. Might be starting in a couple months. Though I'm not releasing any information to the public. Just thought I put up this meaningless post.

[mdavis]

Oh, yea I'm gonna be building a sweet ass ms3 that will romp on a viper. Might be starting in a couple months. Though I'm not releasing any information to the public. Just thought I put up this meaningless post.

dude even better!!

Step 1: Get a salvaged viper block
Step 2: Contact Hennessy Motorsports
Step 3: Twin Turbo
Step 4: NITROUS!!!!!

[SwampAss]

I'm building an MS3 that plays Mp3s on the factory system and doesn't have a sooty tail pipe. Its warranty will also be un-voidable. Beat that bitches.

[Kain]

Alright, guys, here it is, the news you've been anxiously waiting for. I know you all have been on the edges on your seats in anticipation, but wait no longer:

I am driving my MS3 to the grocery store later this evening. I can't tell you what's on the shopping list, though, because that's top secret. But rest assured, a medley of frozen goods and crisp produce will be procured.

[mdavis]

Alright, guys, here it is, the news you've been anxiously waiting for. I know you all have been on the edges on your seats in anticipation, but wait no longer:

I am driving my MS3 to the grocery store later this evening. I can't tell you what's on the shopping list, though, because that's top secret. But rest assured, a medley of frozen goods and crisp produce will be procured.

can you post pics of your progress?

[Kain]

Sure, but I'll have to mosaic the labels in Photoshop first.

[mdavis]

just a hunch but i bet those bananas are gonna be Chiquita!

[Kain]

One might think, but Chiquita has its nanners on nationwide backorder due to a bad batch of peel straighteners.

[pidass15]

I'm building an MS3 that plays Mp3s on the factory system and doesn't have a sooty tail pipe. Its warranty will also be un-voidable. Beat that bitches.

Oh yea? Mine will play Mp5s and have rainbows coming out of the tailpipe.

[mdavis]

well I guess we will have to organize a group buy as soon as they are available. put me down for two pounds

we have officially ruined this poor boys thread

[intak3_bLkMs3]

yes u are all dicks fuck suby's u all think ur the hottest shit in the world.. i love putting wrx's and sti's to waste in races and watching them hand there cash to me. i love how u guys think ur the hottest shit in the world. guess what subaru''s slowly dieing and mazdaspeeds coming up look how much cobb is releasing for our cars fuck u and ur pos car with cloth interior

[tunersteve]

yes u are all dicks fuck suby's u all think ur the hottest shit in the world.. i love putting wrx's and sti's to waste in races and watching them hand there cash to me. i love how u guys think ur the hottest shit in the world. guess what subaru''s slowly dieing and mazdaspeeds coming up look how much cobb is releasing for our cars fuck u and ur pos car with cloth interior

A little punctuation and spellcheck would work wonders here.

[mdavis]

yes u are all dicks fuck suby's u all think ur the hottest shit in the world.. i love putting wrx's and sti's to waste in races and watching them hand there cash to me. i love how u guys think ur the hottest shit in the world. guess what subaru''s slowly dieing and mazdaspeeds coming up look how much cobb is releasing for our cars fuck u and ur pos car with cloth interior

whoa buddy! did your daddy never hug you?

[Alexsered]

Hey, to the guy that is building the Monster MS3, you forgot to put the flux capacitor in the list of mods. You are going to need that, seriously.

[///M Compact]

A little punctuation and spellcheck would work wonders here.


Opposable thumbs wouldn't hurt either...

[SwampAss]

hahaha and a present corpus callosum! (gossip)

[intak3_bLkMs3]

i rage over ass holes like that aam guy was. typical suby driver thinks they were sent by god to rule the streets RAWR

[stockms3]

Bad idea. this isnt for a drag setup.

1. Bad idea If anything he is gonna want bigger brakes
2. bigger sidewall means less stability at high speed.

Well I figured he wants to do drag if he's going to do all that work...

[AAMguy]

i rage over ass holes like that aam guy was. typical suby driver thinks they were sent by god to rule the streets RAWR

the kid came in here acting like a douche so im going to treat him like a douche, it wasnt until he understood his mistake that then he asked for help and i was pleasant. now on the other hand why dont u go "rage" about me somewhere else (bird)

[mdavis]

i rage over ass holes like that aam guy was. typical suby driver thinks they were sent by god to rule the streets RAWR

is your hatred for Subaru drivers due to the fact that the father that never loved you drove one? you need to put those bad memories behind you

[AAMguy]

plus i WAS a suby driver. i do drive mazda now, slowly but surely I will turn u to the dark side! muuuuahahahaha

[CWPspeed3]

whats this thread about again, hating suby drivers and grocery shopping while rainbows are firing from tailpipes?

[mdavis]

mainly rainbows

[intak3_bLkMs3]

no i hate suby's because of the people who drive them at least around her. constantly running into kids who think will beat me or anyone even on a freeway roll.. really cocky. and dont get me wrong the sti is nice but cloth interior come on. i test drove one and liked it but my friend introduced me to the ms3 and i pounced on it and do not regret it one bit

[intak3_bLkMs3]

dont pounce all over the pore guy cause he has a goal hes sharing with us its a great idea and definetly dont pounce on this kid cause hes 18.. im also 18 and consider my self a very resposible driver.

[mdavis]

imagine that another cocky angry 18 year old

[AAMguy]

dont pounce all over the pore guy cause he has a goal hes sharing with us its a great idea and definetly dont pounce on this kid cause hes 18.. im also 18 and consider my self a very resposible driver.

wtf is a great idea??? there is not idea! omg, do you not realize he had yet to shed light on a single thing that he is "going to do"... i gaurantee he will most likely if its true go 35r...wow thats never been done before. and yes we can tell u r 18 as well (gtfo)

[MTuning]

wow this forum is starting to sound like honda-tech

[CWPspeed3]

wow this forum is starting to sound like honda-tech

And starting to look like the reasons I left HT and TI.net

[MakeMeGoFast]

intak3_bLkMs3: if you hadn't noticed yet. AAMguy and mattj3636 have moved on from the subject. I suggest to do the same and stop stirring shit up.

[Alexsered]

flux capacitor!!!!

[MTuning]

And starting to look like the reasons I left HT and TI.net

HAHA dont get me started on TI (gun)

[MakeMeGoFast]

Why? to many " Because I said so" arguments

[mattj3636]

yeah i apologized and it was all a miscommunication. my issue is traction mainly and i switcfhed the forum to that. haha. how would i fit a 255 like cobb did, should i just find out directly from them?

[MakeMeGoFast]

PM MS3-oholic, Its the MS3 that I showed you with the 235/40's he could probably tell you how much more room there is under there.

[mattj3636]

i just called cobb, there running 255/35/18s with a flared out fender and there cobb suspension, which i was planning on getting anyways, so that would work. the wheels are 8.5 width with a 52 mm offset, hard to find, and if i do, probably pricey. but hoosier makes the street slicks for 255/40/18s. that would definately give me traction

[AAMguy]

i just called cobb, there running 255/35/18s with a flared out fender and there cobb suspension, which i was planning on getting anyways, so that would work. the wheels are 8.5 width with a 52 mm offset, hard to find, and if i do, probably pricey. but hoosier makes the street slicks for 255/40/18s. that would definately give me traction

dude u love some hoosiers...there are other brands btw :)

[mattj3636]

hah i know, i dont want comp tires anyways, theyll wear out like a mother. i heard the bfg kdw 2s are a good street tire, especially 255s

[AAMguy]

hah i know, i dont want comp tires anyways, theyll wear out like a mother. i heard the bfg kdw 2s are a good street tire, especially 255s

i ran bfgs on all of my old cars very good tires and they actually will last awhile. man its going to be some serious $$$ to get 255 on that car. do u have a bankroll like cobb??? (boom04)

[MakeMeGoFast]

So very nice

http://blogs.cobbtuning.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ms3_gtlive_03.JPG

[ericrapp]

it is nice to hear about a project car Matt. the mazdaspeed does have alot of potential. Some folks have been trying to work around the ecu for awhile and had a fair amount of difficulty even with alot of effort. Tuner steve has a good point about the standalone I think. but I believe many many hours of tuning will be a great learning experience for you. since you are young and eager to learn I think that is great. I would like to run the 505 hp vettes myself but our car is quite heavy as a street car. I am trying to get a nice balance between chassis and power to have a gt style car and it is going rather well although slow as I am also learning about forced induction and tuning. And I am happy with my project. I hope you are able to get your car quite fast and keep you and your car safe! Good luck

[AAMguy]

it is nice to hear about a project car Matt. the mazdaspeed does have alot of potential. Some folks have been trying to work around the ecu for awhile and had a fair amount of difficulty even with alot of effort. Tuner steve has a good point about the standalone I think. but I believe many many hours of tuning will be a great learning experience for you. since you are young and eager to learn I think that is great. I would like to run the 505 hp vettes myself but our car is quite heavy as a street car. I am trying to get a nice balance between chassis and power to have a gt style car and it is going rather well although slow as I am also learning about forced induction and tuning. And I am happy with my project. I hope you are able to get your car quite fast and keep you and your car safe! Good luck

ecu issues hopefully will be solved shortly ;)


shhhh....

[MakeMeGoFast]

Oh............?

[ericrapp]

i ran bfgs on all of my old cars very good tires and they actually will last awhile. man its going to be some serious $$$ to get 255 on that car. do u have a bankroll like cobb??? (boom04)What is the point of running big wheels and tires. It seems that a softer compound is a good way to increase traction without gaining weight? I am willing to learn. But I cannot spin third anymore with a tire compound upgrade. Still chirps though!!

[ericrapp]

ecu issues hopefully will be solved shortly ;)


shhhh....sure they will. But my hands are in my lap and you have my attention sir you can pm

[AAMguy]

well i already brought out the fact im trying to get a good deal on a fmic for everyone but no one has shown alot of interest but i am working a "friend" in md for a tuning device :)

muahaha

[ericrapp]

Hahaa. the evil laugh. for kind of a jerk you seem alright. Aaah yes Maryland. Things are going on in Mary land are they not?

[AAMguy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/mattyk04/agent-smith-sunglasses.jpg

"oh im not so baddd....once you get to know me"

[mattj3636]

AAM, the guy from cobb said all it is done to make the 255 fit is their stage 2 suspension (sway bars and springs) 590$ and they flared the fenders inward a bit, which cant be too much.

[AAMguy]

AAM, the guy from cobb said all it is done to make the 255 fit is their stage 2 suspension (sway bars and springs) 590$ and they flared the fenders inward a bit, which cant be too much.

i meant with rims and tires as well, and btw my name is matt too :)

to be honest i think 255 is just a tad to much, im going 235 with some really sticky rubber and i dont think that should be a problem

[mattj3636]

the tires are 500 for two, and the volk rims cobb has are expensive but im sure i could find 2 18 x 8.5s for not too much. but even though u dont believe me, if i do pull 400 at the wheels, i think im gonna need the 255s lol unless it wont make too much of a difference

[MakeMeGoFast]

Well there is always Rota.

[mattj3636]

not too sure what that is

[mattj3636]

oh rota wheels ha

[AAMguy]

the tires are 500 for two, and the volk rims cobb has are expensive but im sure i could find 2 18 x 8.5s for not too much. but even though u dont believe me, if i do pull 400 at the wheels, i think im gonna need the 255s lol unless it wont make too much of a difference

you shouldnt NEED 255s but whatev

[mattj3636]

well yeah, ill see what happens with the 225s i have now, if i have to ill get 235s, and if its still a huge problem, then ill look into the 255s. whats our bolt pattern?

[CoolWhip]

5-114

[mattj3636]

aright cool

[mattj3636]

its 5 x 100

[tunersteve]

its 5 x 100

Standard Mazda bolt pattern is 5x114.3

[AAMguy]

Standard Mazda bolt pattern is 5x114.3

+1

[mattj3636]

oh shit, 5 x 100 fits to tho im assuming then?

[tunersteve]

oh shit, 5 x 100 fits to tho im assuming then?

Nope, not close. I also think you'll need around a +45 offset to keep the wheels sitting right. Lower offsets and you might need to roll the fenders.

[mattj3636]

yeah the wheels that cobb has on there car has a 52 mm and still has the fenders flared inward. im gonna start with some 235s on my stock wheel and see how decent the traction is

[tunersteve]

yeah the wheels that cobb has on there car has a 52 mm and still has the fenders flared inward. im gonna start with some 235s on my stock wheel and see how decent the traction is

I went from a stock 215/45 to a 225/40 today actually and I'm interested to see how that changes the dynamics. I'd definitely get rid of the stock wheels somewhere in that equation, since they are a heavy wheel.

[dandan2]

im sorry for the way i acted but someone had to say something! that was the first bad post ever for me! im a really nice guy and i didnt like what i was seeing when mattj3636 was keeping his cool they were still bashing on him! looks like everything is settled down now and i do appoligize!

and i didnt say u couldnt make a drag car outa the msp! i just said it wouldnt make a good drag car!

[ericrapp]

I went from a stock 215/45 to a 225/40 today actually and I'm interested to see how that changes the dynamics. I'd definitely get rid of the stock wheels somewhere in that equation, since they are a heavy wheel.With a wider wheel your options open up for some nice sticky tires. Go 18/8. I have forty five offset on 225/40 with stage two suspension subbed Hotchkis on the bars. seriously adifferent animal altogether. Very much a handler. Dynamics are improved, steering is heavier but high speed cornering and braking continue to impress me I cannot say enough good things about wheel/ tire suspnsion upgrde regardless of the ponies. As if the car was designed for it. I did pussy out on 235s for fear of rubbing rear fender with the lower springs, and 400 horse will need it with a softer compound tire should hook up. Good luck guys

[ericrapp]

yeah the wheels that cobb has on there car has a 52 mm and still has the fenders flared inward. im gonna start with some 235s on my stock wheel and see how decent the traction isBear in mind 255s will throw stones all over the side of your car no matter what offset you use. Maybe you could just run a dedicated slick for racing at the track and a softer 235 for DD?

[mattj3636]

yeah man, thanks, i appreciate it

[MakeMeGoFast]

Rally Armor

http://www.rallyarmor.com/store/images/mazdaspeed_rally_mud_flaps_blue_logo.jpg

[ericrapp]

its too late for me and my bazillion stone chips, save the others!