spin-on oil filter conversion for MS3?

[jjjxlr8]

I've noticed that quite a few people have converted their Mazdaspeed 3s using, what appears to be the OE oil filter housing designed for the 2.0l / 2.3l NON-turbo engines.

Is this a good idea?

I really would prefer the screw on type oil filter, but I wonder why Mazda would have developed a completely different cartridge style setup for the Turbo models?

[MTuning]

there's a conversion kit for a ms3

[jjjxlr8]

there's a conversion kit for a ms3

Yes, the conversion "kits" that I have seen consists of the Mazda oil filter housing (from the 2.0l), gasket, and the option of spin on oil filters.

My original question still stands....

[MikeHTally]

I did it on mine a week or so ago. No leaks, and it'll be easier (and cheaper) to do the changes in the future. I don't know why it's a different unit. From what I've read, the Euro Speeds have the spin-on filters.

I think it's a great idea. I've bought a stock of K&N HP 2009 filters (Amazon has 'em on sale), so I"m pretty well fixed for two years or so. This conversion allows you to use the filter from the B3000 pickup. More capacity means better cooling.

Found this today:

http://www.mazdastuff.com/product.cfm?ProductID=2871


It's a bit cheaper than I paid for mine (sad1), but I'll have to live with that.

Whoops, that one WILL NOT work (no oil cooler connection). Go here, it's where I got mine:

http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?cPath=160_256&products_id=1210

[jjjxlr8]

So the housing you received was different than the one pictured?

[TonyMS3]

does anyone know why mazda didn't use a spin-on in the first place?

[Nutari]

So the housing you received was different than the one pictured?

yes, there is a specific one MADE for the MS3. It has the fitting for the oil cooler.

[justanothermp5]

u guys dont have a spin on?
what other type is there?

[steven88]

does anyone know why mazda didn't use a spin-on in the first place?

I know! this is the 21st century come on now!

[Kain]

u guys dont have a spin on?
what other type is there?

Cartridge.

[MikeHTally]

So the housing you received was different than the one pictured?
If you're addressing me, yes, mine has the oil cooler connection on top, which is why it was more expensive. Sorry, I should have just deleted the link to the "regular 3" unit.

[MikeHTally]

does anyone know why mazda didn't use a spin-on in the first place?
Hoping the dealers will get the maintenance revenue?

[WTF MATE]

I've heard that the K&N filters shouldn't be used with synthetic oils, any one else heard this because it sounds like bs?

[mr_mazda329]

Sounds like BS. I've been overpaying for years, but autozone here doesn't sell wix and I'm not going to touch a FRAM. Nice thing about the spin-on is you can use larger filters.

[WTF MATE]

Do you think that the Mobil and K&N filters provide any more protection then a WIX filter? I guess I also planned on just using the 06 Tribute filters.

[mr_mazda329]

Not really. I got them just becuase of the welded nut on the bottom. I too am using the tribute filters.

[MikeHTally]

Not really. I got them just becuase of the welded nut on the bottom. I too am using the tribute filters.
Same here. Don't like hammering a screwdriver through the filter to get it off. Done there, been that.

[djza2u1]

Does anyone have any leaks with this conversion????

[Nutari]

Does anyone have any leaks with this conversion????

No.......

[WTF MATE]

What the hell is the deal with the sst for the cartridge cap on the ms3. I bought a 76mm 15 point wrench and it didn't work, so I went back and tried 3 more, none of them fit correctly. Definitely doing this conversion.

[MikeHTally]

No runs, no drips, no errors. The Fumoto valve completes the project and makes it very neat and easy.

[Hank3]

No runs, no drips, no errors. The Fumoto valve completes the project and makes it very neat and easy.

+1 - although I haven't had to change my oil yet with this since I just put it on a month ago, I'm almost looking forward to doing the oil change next time :)

No drips thus far from what I can tell.

[jlocurto]

errr what are the benifits of a spin on oil filter?

[DaleNixon]

I might do this soon. Worfit? And what filters do you people buy for this? How hard is the install? etc. etc.

[Nutari]

errr what are the benifits of a spin on oil filter?

easier to do oil changes.

[Nutari]

I might do this soon. Worfit? And what filters do you people buy for this? How hard is the install? etc. etc.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123735593

You use the Mazda 3 2.0L filters, which im selling in the above thread.

Install is 1/5. Really easy. Take off old, put on new, after you have drained your oil of course... so best to do this mod at your next oil change. :)

[DaleNixon]

I have an oil change coming up soon. Do you guys have the kit in stock right now? And would it be easy to go back to stock if needed? Thanks!

[jlocurto]

easier to do oil changes.

thats it? is there like any benefits for the car from this? like is it better for the car?

[DaleNixon]

A bigger filter is better for cooling and oil capacity right?

[Nutari]

I have an oil change coming up soon. Do you guys have the kit in stock right now? And would it be easy to go back to stock if needed? Thanks!

yes and yes.

[Nutari]

A bigger filter is better for cooling and oil capacity right?

I dont really think the oil capacity is increased. Its about the same volume.

[Nutari]

thats it? is there like any benefits for the car from this? like is it better for the car?

Its not gonna add any HP if thats what you are looking for. It is a convenience modification.

If you havent changed your own oil yet, you will understand just how much the spin on helps after you do.

[MikeHTally]

I dont really think the oil capacity is increased. Its about the same volume.
Depends on the filter -- the NAPA truck filter I used on mine increased the fill from 5 1/2 to 6 1/2 quarts. That's GOTTA be a good thing.

[Nutari]

Depends on the filter -- the NAPA truck filter I used on mine increased the fill from 5 1/2 to 6 1/2 quarts. That's GOTTA be a good thing.

.. the filter was a quart bigger? holy shit.

[MikeHTally]

thats it? is there like any benefits for the car from this? like is it better for the car?
No performance gain, but more oil=cooler running. Can't be bad.

[MikeHTally]

.. the filter was a quart bigger? holy shit.Yeppir. From that tiny cartridge to a B3000 filter is a sizable jump.

[DaleNixon]

I read somewhere that increasing the filter size can fuck your shit up on cold starts. Any truth to that? Also, does that B3000 filter fit neatly under the car and not contact the undertray?

[WTF MATE]

I would also expect that a bigger filter will affect your oil pressure. I don't know how mazdas react but I know people running s2000 filters on their integras will result in a decrease in oil pressure because of the bigger filter.

[MikeHTally]

Filter size has no bearing on oil viscosity. If 5w-30 is "5" at 0 degrees, it's may be "10" at 30 degrees. The filter won't affect it either way. The filter barely clears the splash shield when the car is motionless. I don't know what's going on when it's moving (don't care either, the most it might do is wear the paint off the nut). I suspect when the sandwich plate goes in for the pressure gauge, it'll be in constant contact with the filter.

It's a closed system. Pressure and volume are independent. The oil pump generates x lbs. of pressure (I have no idea how much -- I'd guess 60psi or so).

[WTF MATE]

If your refering to my post I never said anything about viscosity. An oil filter can affect oil pressure. The oil goes through the filter. If there's a problem or bottleneck in the filter it can and will lower oil pressure. The filters design can also lower or increase oil pressure. Think of an affect similar to a venturi.

[MikeHTally]

Dale made a reference to cold starts. That sounded like a viscosity reference.

If the filter bottlenecks, the bypass will kick in. For a filter to lower the pressure, it would somehow have to open up. To raise the pressure, something would have to constrict the flow.

I did "mis-speak" on the volume/pressure relationship: I know several people who use the pressure indicator to determine when it needs oil. For that to be useful, though, the volume has to be down too much to be safe.

[DaleNixon]

I've got like 5 more OEM filters for the cartridge loader in storage. I guess I'll run those out before I go for the spin on conversion.

[MikeHTally]

Man, it would take me three years to use up five filters. (drive)

[spoolin_05]

Does anyone know the normal oil pessure for our cars

[danagirl]

i dont know to many speed owners with an oil pressure gauge, i heard it was a pain to get it all set up.

to bad you cant monitor it with the d hawk.

[Peak64]

From what I've read, the Euro Speeds have the spin-on filters.

No, we don't...