2007 M3 Engine meltdown!!...

[BaileyBlade]

Hello everyone… well I am new here and its desperate times that bring me to this forum.

I have a 2007 Mazda 3 w/16K miles on it and as of a few days ago my Engine kicked the bucket and blew out a cylinder or rod. Not sure exactly. Anyway… the dealership towed it in and said it has a blown cylinder. It makes a ton of metal to metal clucky sound when it runs. Well I have had the car serviced twice at the recommended mileage and looks like I went about 1500miles past my last oil checkup. Soooo as you can imagine the dealership will not cover anything and said so sorry bring the rental car back, pay us for it and oh we need $7900 bucks to install a new engine….

So after screaming every cussword in the book at them, I am left without a car that’s going to cost a fortune to fix that I still have to make payments on. Yeah I know it’s my bad for not doing the oil change on time and I am screwed by their nice fine print contract. (strike)

So here is my questions… What should I expect them to tell me what a new engine cost if I do the install, how much should a used one cost if I can find one and what are the differences with the MS3 vs. the M3 can I put a MazdaSpeed engine in it and maybe get something more for my money?

Any suggestions one what I can or should do?

Thanks,
-Neal

[shane02pro5]

You can try Ken at www.Protegegarage.com (http://www.Protegegarage.com) since he has alot of sources or and online junkyard that usually do some type of warranty like www.car-parts.com (http://www.car-parts.com) .

[evilmonkeyMSP]

how many miles since your last oil change?

[BaileyBlade]

You can try Ken at www.Protegegarage.com (http://www.Protegegarage.com) since he has alot of sources or and online junkyard that usually do some type of warranty like www.car-parts.com (http://www.car-parts.com) .

Hey thanks for those links… Is it difficult to get things like gasket kits and rebuild kits for a 2.3 engine? Honestly I never really got into 4 cylinders much so not sure how hard it is to rebuild a new model engine like this. If I have to spend $7K+ on a new engine then it’s going to have more power and torque and defiantly not break for no reason. Thanks for the link…

- Neal

[shane02pro5]

First off do you have a pool of oil under your car? If so you need a new/used block!

It will most likely be much cheaper to get a low mileage salvaged motor swapped in.

[arkenzo]

Please change the title of your post, you do not have an M3, that acronym is reserved for BMW, particularly the BMW M3. It is not to be related to your Mazda3.

Thanks

[BaileyBlade]

how many miles since your last oil change?

almost 7K I was suposed to bring it in at 5K...

The crapy thing is i believe we took it in to one of those mom and pop Jiffy lubes type places on our way out of town about three months ago. But now I can’t get anyone at the place to call me back or even if it’s still open. I was hoping they had a record or something of the oil change. I can’t even remember if I took it in or not… my wife says we did but the place is way out of town so I can’t just drive over there and see.

- Neal

[autoxes]

Please change the title of your post, you do not have an M3, that acronym is reserved for BMW, particularly the BMW M3. It is not to be related to your Mazda3.

Thanks

Please remove the sand from your vagina. Thanks.

[edrive73]

Dude, if there is a chance that you changed the oil in time, I would make the effort to go and check even if it's a little out of the way. If it will save you $7k then go and make sure.

[TropicalDelight]

if you can't afford it, why don't you go through insurance, I've seen that route taken before at my dealer

[BaileyBlade]

First off do you have a pool of oil under your car? If so you need a new/used block!

It will most likely be much cheaper to get a low mileage salvaged motor swapped in.

Yeah no oil under the car no leaks… no oil loss at all. To me the engine sounds like a Valve train issue rather than the piston as the master mechanic says. Usually in a V8 if you dropped a rod or broke a piston then the engine would not turnover or would lock up. Lots of bad things happen.

Yeah If I can find a good used motor then I think I will go that route.

[BaileyBlade]

Please change the title of your post, you do not have an M3, that acronym is reserved for BMW, particularly the BMW M3. It is not to be related to your Mazda3.

Thanks

Whoa!… man I have been driving this car for a year now thinking it was a BMW M3… Thanks for clearing this up.

LOL are you CRAZY…!? (hah)

I see on these forums all over the place and including other website refer to the Mazda3 as M3 and MS3, I think when your on a strictly Mazda site its auto assumed that M3 = Mazda3. But I guess there are those folks that cannot process such obvious differences.

Dude please… (fu)

[BaileyBlade]

Dude, if there is a chance that you changed the oil in time, I would make the effort to go and check even if it's a little out of the way. If it will save you $7k then go and make sure.

Yeah i am working on just got a call back from them... They have changed owners and not sure about the records they have. I told them I would pay them to find the damn receipt. Jus find it… please… “You’re my only hope Obi Wan”.

[StealthWyvern]

Yeah i am working on just got a call back from them... They have changed owners and not sure about the records they have. I told them I would pay them to find the damn receipt. Jus find it… please… “You’re my only hope Obi Wan”.

You dont keep recipits of all that crap in your glove box? I keep all service related crap in my glove box.

Edit: Also if you put it on your credit/debit card look up the transaction number and ive that place that serviced the car that number. That should help them locate the record that much faster.

[BaileyBlade]

if you can't afford it, why don't you go through insurance, I've seen that route taken before at my dealer

I already talked to the insurance company… and it kind of a sticky spot. It needs to be totaled out or some kind of claim or police report on it. Basically if it’s not accident related then they don’t want to cover it. I may just leave the keys in it and leave it somewhere… bad side of town for a little joyriding maybe?... hehe. Thats a joke son.... (dunno)

I can afford to replace the engine but it’s the principle of the thing... I did nothing wrong and it just died while going home from work. Oil does not break down that much to do that… and its obvious there is some problem with the engine.

Thanks for the sugestion though...

[BaileyBlade]

You dont keep recipits of all that crap in your glove box? I keep all service related crap in my glove box.

Edit: Also if you put it on your credit/debit card look up the transaction number and ive that place that serviced the car that number. That should help them locate the record that much faster.

Well I do keep the receipts and have all the other records as I have always taking it to the dealership for the tune ups. But we went out of town and had it done on the way out. And when you have two kids in the back and trying to entertain them all the time you tend to not keep track of things as well. Hell I don’t know… I don’t even remember the trip that much it was our first one with our 2 year old and 5 year old. 6 hours in the car man… I tuned the whole trip out. LOL

To your edit… Yeah we found the place, it’s up to them to find it in their records. That’s a good idea though.

[BaileyBlade]

So what’s involved in changing a Mazda3 into a MazdaSpeed3? What do I need?

-New computer?
-New wiring harness?
-New exhaust?

What would it take? And is it worth it.

Is the 5 speed different…?

And how the hell to you Heal-Toe these cars… man its impossible on the track.

[MakeMeGoFast]

Here's my thing, what if yo do you own oil changes. Are you supposed to Keep record's of that to. I think they are just looking for a reason not cover the problem.

[arkenzo]

Dude please… (fu)
Please stop calling your Mazda3 an M3, oh and have fun buying a new engine, next time do your oil changes on time (wink)

[MakeMeGoFast]

The Mazda3 has been referred to as an M3 many times before. Who cares

[arkenzo]

The Mazda3 has been referred to as an M3 many times before. Who cares

I care. (lol2)

[BaileyBlade]

Here's my thing, what if yo do you own oil changes. Are you supposed to Keep record's of that to. I think they are just looking for a reason not cover the problem.

Well if you do your own oil changes then you must keep all receipts, and log each time in a log book with the VIN number and millage next to it. You have to keep really good records… or they will void out any coverage. This is a somewhat new policy and they are getting strict about it. I have been reading all day on the web about cases just like mine and others where they will not cover the transmission and claim abuse on the component. Oh yeah also each time you hit your rev-limiter it stores it on the ECU and they can pull that data off and use that against you as well. All these new cars run on a CANBus system and communicate data back to the ECU for storage. (The Black Box Concept) Just something to keep in mind for all you tuners.

[skylar2ups]

I care. (lol2)

Why the heck are you on this website if all your going to do is bitch and complain about something as little as a title and I have read and watched lots of reviews where they said "Mazda 3 not to be confused with another 3" so basically you should shut your cunt mouth and go wine to your mother... she is most likely about to call you to come up from the basement to come and eat dinner anyway.




As for the thread I too had a run in with this oil change problem my 07 M3 : ] had about 30k when I was run off the road and hit a curb blowing a tire and messing up the whole tire housing they told me I had only had three oil changes and they couldn't fix my car I was pissed because my step-dad is a state trooper and he changed the oil in my car using the oil Mazda told him to use. We weren't asking them to pay for it we just wanted it fixed and they gave us the run around. I had it towed to another dealership who was more then happy to fix my baby as good as new.

[TropicalDelight]

Well if you do your own oil changes then you must keep all receipts, and log each time in a log book with the VIN number and millage next to it. You have to keep really good records… or they will void out any coverage. This is a somewhat new policy and they are getting strict about it. I have been reading all day on the web about cases just like mine and others where they will not cover the transmission and claim abuse on the component. Oh yeah also each time you hit your rev-limiter it stores it on the ECU and they can pull that data off and use that against you as well. All these new cars run on a CANBus system and communicate data back to the ECU for storage. (The Black Box Concept) Just something to keep in mind for all you tuners.


mazda does not have this black box concept you talk about, the pcm's in mazda's do not store stuff like that, such as hitting redline and if you drive the car hard. So what you were reading about is not a mazda.

[Antonio DiMarco]

Hello everyone… well I am new here and its desperate times that bring me to this forum.

I have a 2007 Mazda 3 w/16K miles on it and as of a few days ago my Engine kicked the bucket and blew out a cylinder or rod. Not sure exactly. Anyway… the dealership towed it in and said it has a blown cylinder. It makes a ton of metal to metal clucky sound when it runs. Well I have had the car serviced twice at the recommended mileage and looks like I went about 1500miles past my last oil checkup. Soooo as you can imagine the dealership will not cover anything and said so sorry bring the rental car back, pay us for it and oh we need $7900 bucks to install a new engine….

So after screaming every cussword in the book at them, I am left without a car that’s going to cost a fortune to fix that I still have to make payments on. Yeah I know it’s my bad for not doing the oil change on time and I am screwed by their nice fine print contract. (strike)

So here is my questions… What should I expect them to tell me what a new engine cost if I do the install, how much should a used one cost if I can find one and what are the differences with the MS3 vs. the M3 can I put a MazdaSpeed engine in it and maybe get something more for my money?

Any suggestions one what I can or should do?

Thanks,
-Neal

Guys can flame me if they want but trusting Jiffy Lube to do an oil change is like trusting a hack in a back alley to do surgery. I've know no less than 6 people who have had serious damage done to their car when they got their "oil" changed at Jiffy Lube.

1. Destroyed serpentine belt.
2. Damaged brake system
3. Didn't fill the engine with oil.
4. Filled Clutch Master cylinder with engine oil. (don't asked me how they did it)
5. Kill electrical system when they accidentally shorted out battery terminals.
6 Damaged Tensioner on timing belt which led to a eaten timing belt.

The truth is that the majority of those chains put their "tech" through minimal training with no specialized knowledge. To them an engine is an engine is an engine.

That's one of the reasons I go to my dealer. Good dealers are factory trained and are accountable for any work done to your vehicle. And they also have to keep history of your car on file.

You may pay an extra 10 to $20 bucks per oil change but given the headaches your going through it makes sense. My dealer for example made good on replacing two engines I know of over the past 5 years becasue the mechanic failed to tighten the oil pan plug. No arguements because it was apparent that they were the only ones who touched the car.

Bottom line accidents happen but being loyal to a good dealer insures you'll be taken care of. At least that's my experience.

End of soap box. :-)

[robin2660]

Guys can flame me if they want but trusting Jiffy Lube to do an oil change is like trusting a hack in a back alley to do surgery. I've know no less than 6 people who have had serious damage done to their car when they got their "oil" changed at Jiffy Lube.

1. Destroyed serpentine belt.
2. Damaged brake system
3. Didn't fill the engine with oil.
4. Filled Clutch Master cylinder with engine oil. (don't asked me how they did it)
5. Kill electrical system when they accidentally shorted out battery terminals.
6 Damaged Tensioner on timing belt which led to a eaten timing belt.

The truth is that the majority of those chains put their "tech" through minimal training with no specialized knowledge. To them an engine is an engine is an engine.

That's one of the reasons I go to my dealer. Good dealers are factory trained and are accountable for any work done to your vehicle. And they also have to keep history of your car on file.

You may pay an extra 10 to $20 bucks per oil change but given the headaches your going through it makes sense. My dealer for example made good on replacing two engines I know of over the past 5 years becasue the mechanic failed to tighten the oil pan plug. No arguements because it was apparent that they were the only ones who touched the car.

Bottom line accidents happen but being loyal to a good dealer insures you'll be taken care of. At least that's my experience.

End of soap box. :-)

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I just shake my head when people argue for (in defense of) Jiffy Lube.

[SuperStretch18]

Have you thought about trying another dealership?

[skylar2ups]

Have you thought about trying another dealership?

Thats what I say just don't mention you went to another dealership... what they don't know isn't going to hurt them.

[djthom]

There is no way an extra 1500 miles caused this!
have you read the warranty agreement closely? i would go through it with a fine tooth comb and check with a layer or something...right now your time and effort is worth $7K right?!
Good luck man!

Arkenzo is the ultimate troll!
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[eg6motion]

I would get an attorney involved. Or at the minimum, contact Mazda Corporate. Are your intervals 5K in the Manual? Or is this something the dealer said? I know my mazda manual claims 7K mile changes or 5K mile changes under "severe" driving conditions, aka city driving. They can't determine which category you fall into so I say you do one of the following: find another dealer, get a lawyer, or contact Mazda HQ. Dealers are notorious for this sh*t so don't bend over just because they said so. Dealers are not always right, often, they are wrong and must be proven wrong before they will honor a legitimate claim. Sad.

[Kurt07]

Jiffy Lube sucks. I just changed the oil on my buddy's Nissan. I didn't need a wrench to take the drain plug off. He barely had a quart of oil left in his car. It pays to do your own work or take you car somewhere that you know won't screw your car up.

As for putting the MS3 engine in you will need the following:
Complete Engine(with turbo)
Transmission
Exhaust
Intake
ECU
I know I am forgetting a few things, but it is not impossible.

[acidbbg]

My owners manual shows 7k for Mazda3 or 5k under sever driving conditions.

You need to push back on the Dealer or call Mazda corp.

They are just trying to weazel their way out of warrant claim.

-C

[93mx6]

if nobody else touched the vehicle you should have no problems getting this covered under the warranty

an extra 1500 miles would not cause it to blow, have you checked the oil level yourself? it could not even be oil related,

what records do you have of them performing service on your vehicle, post that up and we can help you some more

but now way did that cause, this guy that comes to my dealership, went 14k miles over an oil change in his Armada, and of course he blew the motor, but we still replaced under warranty. so something is fishy theyre either trying to rip you off, or that mom and pop place fucked u.

[RHoughton1]

I have a 05 Mazda 3,That was involved in the storm we had,no rain damage. And the motor has 12,000 on it and it still runs. If the insurance lets me buy back the car i will have a god solid motor for sal you can still hear it run.. lmk

[techspeak]

Sounds like you ran out of oil. Sounds like the ma and pop Iffy Lube didnt put enough, left something loose or you burned it out over the course of your oil change interval and never checked... or a combination of any of those factors...

The Stealership wants to rob you.... You could fully build an engine with rods and pistons, and some bolt ons like header, bored TB, cams to on a used engine for that price... or you could just save the money and get a used replacement and remember to check the oil level

[techspeak]

ps- ditto on contacting head office