California & Federal Models

[fructus]

Does anybody know what the difference is between the two? According to the AP I apparently have the California model, even though I live in NJ.

[phillyb]

california has different laws regarding emissions...
c.a.r.b.
i think that's the only difference if there is a difference at all...

[fructus]

That's what I thought. But what would Cali model do in NJ? Some glitch in distribution?

[phillyb]

you bought it new from the dealership?
sometimes dealers to dealer trades...sometimes it happens on a factory level before the cars get distributed to the dealers...
my question to you is...
how does your ap know that?
why would you trust what the ap says?
get under the car and look for some c.a.r.b. stickers. they are supposed to be down there

[fructus]

I bought the car new from the dealership. I downloaded the stock map into the AP before installing one of the Cobb's maps. The map was marked as a map for California model. I was unable to run a Federal model map from Cobb, only the Cali map.
I'll check out the stickers though.

[dread]

all mazdas in nj are cali spec. Mine is cali spec and so is everyone I know. Its because the neighboring states ie new york use cali emissions standards so we get the cali spec ecu as well. Just make sure you use the cali spec maps from cobb.

[CoolWhip]

all mazdas in nj are cali spec. Mine is cali spec and so is everyone I know. Its because the neighboring states ie new york use cali emissions standards so we get the cali spec ecu as well. Just make sure you use the cali spec maps from cobb.

Hmm interesting does that affect the performance of the AP for cali spec's?

[FrequentFlyer]

I'm pretty sure NJ uses Cali emissions standards also. We're the East coast Cali. I had a 1999 Miata that had two cats because it was a Cali model.

[dread]

no it does not affect performance. Cali spec is not required for jersey but most cars are cali spec.

[fructus]

Good to know. Thank you.

[FMOS Racing]

I'd love to know what the differences are since I may have to move back to CA. The documentation with my car says it isn't legal for CA and the under-hood emissions plaques have X-ed out blanks for the CA emissions information.

[hyperpasta]

These are the two systems I've seen on CA cars. A sticker under your hood will let you know if your car has any of these systems.


ULEV2 Emissions Equipment
REQUIRED in California, Massachusetts, Maine, New York and Vermont.


Anyway, ULEV II (Ultra Low Emissions Vechicle, Tier II) is pretty clean. It's the second-cleanest tailpipe emissions rating there is. SULEV II (Super Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle, Tier II) is the cleanest. (although technically ZEV (Zero Emissions Vehicle) is cleaner still, with no tailpipe emissions)

PZEV (Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) vehicles are all SULEV II. In addition, PZEV engines are specially designed so that they have no evaporative emissions, which aren't directly covered by the tailpipe emissions ratings. They also come with 10-year, 100,000-mile warranties on their emissions equipment.

[hyperpasta]

I'd love to know what the differences are since I may have to move back to CA. The documentation with my car says it isn't legal for CA and the under-hood emissions plaques have X-ed out blanks for the CA emissions information.

Your good to go if you have at least 7500 miles on your car. Under that your screwed. This law keeps folks from bringing in new non CA smogged cars into the state to get around the smog laws.

[Bonafide_Spd3]

I have 16000 miles on my car right now. So your telling me since I don't have any of these stickers on my car I could do some of my exhaust? I'm moving to cali next year in march and that would be sweet if this was true

[hyperpasta]

I have 16000 miles on my car right now. So your telling me since I don't have any of these stickers on my car I could do some of my exhaust? I'm moving to cali next year in march and that would be sweet if this was true

No! In Calif, they will be looking for a stock 49 state car. Come in with a loud or hacked exhaust system and they are going to ask you for a CARB number for it.

The 7500 miles shows that you owned and drove the car and lived in another state before you came into Calif. The purpose of this law was to stop folks from driving out of state and purchasing a new car then bringing it into the state to skirt the newer smog laws. It also means that you don't have to bring your car up to current California specs.

[Bonafide_Spd3]

cali emissions = no good

[hyperpasta]

cali emissions = no good

cali emissions = No Fun!

[FMOS Racing]

Thanks for the information. Guess I'd better do some driving since I only have 3300 miles on the car so far.

[Bonafide_Spd3]

Okay, so let me read this again... Is this a yes that I can get a test pipe with a high flow cat and cbe before I move to cali. When I get there I will have to get a carb number for it? What the heck is a carb number?

[FrequentFlyer]

No, you still won't pass CA's visual inspection with an aftermarket pipe, but you can try. A CARB number means it's been approved by the Californa Air Resources Board. If a tuner wants to get something CARB approved, they have to go through quite a lengthy process to have the mod tested and proven to be able to pass CA emissions testing. This costs a lot of money and is why most tuners don't have their mods CARB approved.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/homepage.htm

[gtlaw]

fuck cali that place is a hugh shit hole. when I die, and go to hell it will be just like cali

[Bonafide_Spd3]

Well that sucks for people that move there from another state and have a complete exhaust and stuff on their vehicle. What do they tell them... Well you can't drive it around until you get the stock exhaust back on. I'd be pissed because most of them got rid of their stock exhaust and would have to purchase the exhaust again. Is there any test pipe or dp out there that is carb approved?

[Rotus8]

Well that sucks for people that move there from another state and have a complete exhaust and stuff on their vehicle. What do they tell them... Well you can't drive it around until you get the stock exhaust back on. I'd be pissed because most of them got rid of their stock exhaust and would have to purchase the exhaust again. Is there any test pipe or dp out there that is carb approved?
That's right. Why do you think it is called a "test pipe"? It was invented to test your exhaust system by temporarily removing the cat. It is illegal to sell a cat eliminator anywhere in the US, but they get around that by calling it a test pipe.

Anyway, there are too many people in California already. Maybe this will convince you to go somewhere else; more space for me! (evil)

[Bonafide_Spd3]

Nah, I'm gonna go out there so I can make some good money. Even though I don't really like the west coast. Out east is alot better in my opinion. But I have a job out there next april so I gotta go where the money is. Hell, I'll call these retards up later on and tell them I already got a mid pipe and see if there is any way of getting around it.