Hope for us Auto Guys yet...

[BinoMP5]

So this thread is for us Auto Guys! We may not have been blessed or even chosen a Manual Protege but we still love our cars and still have the passion to Speed in MazdaSpeed.......

that was lame... if you can think of one better, do so...

so i've done a lot of research with this transmission and will post up codes and details about it when i find the files...

i've also modded my whole car so i, and hopefully other people, can tell you what they have felt with their mods...

so people... let's ask away some questions and show others they shouldnt count us out!(nana)

List of us Auto Guys:

NA:

BinoMP5
fishdontbounce
Tom03es
Kura808
jeg0024

Turbo:

bazooka_joe
KrayzieFox
fLiPiNoY7
asmo_03_mp5
SIBaller23

[MakeMeGoFast]

http://www.lentechautomatics.com/4f27eproducts.html#

[fishdonotbounce]

Alright so I'm wondering what my quarter time should be with an OBX header, catback, high flow midpipe catted and microtech?

[Tom03es]

Go to the track and find out. As much as I dislike drag racing, it does take some skill to do it right and be fast about it.

[fishdonotbounce]

I will definitely take it to the track once those mods are installed. Until then, I'll just cower down and accept my slowness. lol

[BinoMP5]

i ran 17.2 with CAI 4-3-1 Header back 2.25" on balding tires...

*edit: 4-2-1 Header... not 4-3-1... how unefficient..*

perfect reaction time 0.04

2.6 60"

trap speed... 80mph

this was also with the big exhaust leak... i'm sure i'd break 16's with new tires, and the sealed exhaust leak

another note... it was on a NHRA track...
Gainesville Raceway is all asphalt except the launch pad and slightly inclines... i'd break 16s at Cecil SGMP, a non-NHRA track

[kura808]

subbin cause i'm auto!

haha where's bazookajoe? xP

[BinoMP5]

http://www.lentechautomatics.com/4f27eproducts.html#

i'm glad this was brought out.... Lentech has transmission upgrades for us... some members here have bought stuff from lentech, such as the valave body mostly...

the valve body:
makes the tranny shift faster
doesnt cause as much delay in between shifts
causes less power loss in between gears

i wish i had this mod, but am saving up for the Street Terminator

I also reccomend, even if youre not upgrading the tranny, is a Tranny cooler... definitely keeps the transmission cooler under the weather and a lot of shifting

Hayden makes them and they are fairly cheap... around $50 - $60
i see that Tom03es has this in his mod list... perhaps he can enlighten us about the installation, for i did not do the installation

[Crazee D]

Cool thread!!

http://www.lentechautomatics.com/4f27eproducts.html#

I got me a ST TC

subbin cause i'm auto!

haha where's bazookajoe? xP

right?

i'm glad this was brought out.... Lentech has transmission upgrades for us... some members here have bought stuff from lentech, such as the valave body mostly...

the valve body:
makes the tranny shift faster
doesnt cause as much delay in between shifts
causes less power loss in between gears

i wish i had this mod, but am saving up for the Street Terminator

I also reccomend, even if youre not upgrading the tranny, is a Tranny cooler... definitely keeps the transmission cooler under the weather and a lot of shifting

Hayden makes them and they are fairly cheap... around $50 - $60
i see that Tom03es has this in his mod list... perhaps he can enlighten us about the installation, for i did not do the installation

Bazooka Joe DIY'd the valve bodies

I def want a oil cooler and relocate in addition to the tranny cooler
am i going overboard? certainly

[BinoMP5]

i might be too scared to do the DIY... but i bet it'd be a money saver... a shop said they will swap out the whole thing to the ST... that should be somewhat easier to do than a AT -> MT swap i suppose

Crazee D- enlighten us about this Torque Converter... pros? cons? installation? chick magnet? hahaha

[Wojtek]

the only hopw for ya'll is to swap manual tranny in :-)

[BinoMP5]

we'll see who blows our motor first because of a mishift caused by human error... the new EVO X MR are Auto...

[fishdonotbounce]

NEVA!!!! lol you give me a wrecked manual P5 with all the tranny stuff in great condition and I'll do it. Till then, get your ass outta my thread! :-P

the only hopw for ya'll is to swap manual tranny in :-)

[BinoMP5]

some of us prolly didnt have a choice in the matter... would i pick a manual P5 over an auto P5 if i were to go back in time? yes... but that wasnt an option for me then...

i know that when my mileage gets too high on the motor, i'll just swap to a KL-ZE motor and its 5speed LSD tranny... but that's about 60 - 100k miles from now... until then... this auto will suffice and one day prevail!!!

[fishdonotbounce]

I too did not have a choice in the matter and will eventually make this thing scream. It will become my project car eventually and you know what I'm thinkin? I may just drop an LS-1 in that bitch. lol jk but it will eventually be the project car for sure.

[Tom03es]

Yes, an additional fluid cooler is a must have. The Hayden cooler seems to work OK. Right now, I'm seeing a 30*F change in temps between fluid out and fluid in to the transmission. I think I may try swapping the order in which the coolers are plumbed. I think I screwed up the order and put the Hayden cooler first inline and then the radiator cooler. I think the radiator is warming the fluid back up too much.

I just got my Lentech ST VB earlier this week. Install looks pretty straight forward and easy. Plus this coincides with my 60,000 mile transmission service.

I too would rather have an manual gearbox- but even those aren't without their problems in Proteges, although they only seem to have problems with high amounts of boost.

[BinoMP5]

maybe take pix of the cooler? and manybe a bfore and after video when u get the valve body installed (o.0)

i'm sure that will be greatly appreciated among us

im eventually going to put everything on the first post when we get enough information so it's all in one post instead of searching for it in the future and reading every post...

[Not Jo3L]

Subbin for further info.

My automatic could really use upgrades. Just a question. What tranny fluid should I purchase and how often do you change it? I know right now I have two leaks. A slight oil drop (black) that builds up as a dot on the ground after having my car sit for a few days. The other leak is brownish fluid right under the tranny.

[Tom03es]

I'll try to do a before and after video.

Here's some pics of my temp sendors for my transmission temp gauge:
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Tom03es/transmission_temp_sendors%20(3).JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Tom03es/transmission_temp_sendors%20(5).JPG
My wiring is certainly not the greatest here.

And here is the cooler installed:
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Tom03es/trans_cooler_instl%20(3).JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Tom03es/trans_cooler_instl%20(2).JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Tom03es/trans_cooler_instl.JPG
The above pics were taken before the the temp sendors were installed. The one pic with only 3 attachments- that's because getting to that 4th was just too difficult without removing more "stuff" and the cooler appeared to be sufficiently secured.

[BinoMP5]

thanks for the pix! exactly what temperatures r u reading... haha keep that cold air intake cold

not jo3l- i'm looking it up! i was going to get the purple oil from ProtegeGarage... but that's me... i heard change them 70k - 80k miles??? anyone else hear something different? will look more into it... may have to edit this post when i do find out

[Tom03es]

Uploaded more pics to the above post.

thanks for the pix! exactly what temperatures r u reading... haha keep that cold air intake cold

Trans temps are about 180-210 on the hot side and 150-180 on the cold side at the extreme.

Intake temps are about 3-4 degrees above ambient temps. Which isn't bad considering the air is getting picked up off the hot asphalt.

i heard change them 70k - 80k miles??? anyone else hear something different?

I've been changing my fluid at 30,000 mile intervals. It might be excessive, but I swear I remember reading that interval in some Mazda maintainence schedule somewhere. The filter should be changed every 60,000 miles. I've been using Red Line D4 fluid.

[Not Jo3L]

I am sure my tranny fluid has been changed when I got my car over a year ago. But Im not sure if it what kind of fluid and just want to but the best in.

That cooler looks sick Tom.

[Tom03es]

I believe the onwer's manual states Ford Mercon V, but the Red Line D4 and Royal Purple and Mobil 1 equivalents should satisfy the Mercon V criteria.

[Crazee D]

i might be too scared to do the DIY... but i bet it'd be a money saver... a shop said they will swap out the whole thing to the ST... that should be somewhat easier to do than a AT -> MT swap i suppose

Crazee D- enlighten us about this Torque Converter... pros? cons? installation? chick magnet? hahaha

not in yet

i still think a MTX mayb easier way to go

[BinoMP5]

but my motor in my other car was blown due to mis shift/human error(not my human error)... so i am liking built controlable auto's right now....

[bazooka joe]

auto tranny and been boosted about 50k miles, no tranny isssues at all...i don't beat it but i do push it, no neutral drops...i have the lentech valve bodies, awesome mod! tranny cooler going in this fall....had it for a yr now, just getting around to installing it finally(hand). i haven't been on the dyno, but @ 6psi, probably about 160hp...? i have no cats and the RB cat back. i had the mpi on the car, but just couldn't tune it right...i'm using the begi rrfpr and fm O2 clamp, works awesome!! for those who haven't boosted their auto, it's just not the same car...i could never go back!!:D

[bazooka joe]

couple more

[InFlames]

Have you tracked it? any 1/4 mi #s?

[bazooka joe]

nope, i'll do it some day....next yr i probably looking at a new car...so this will become a "project" car...i'd really like to build the engine and tranny (lentech street terminator $3k+-)

[i12drivemyMP5]

i was going to get the purple oil from ProtegeGarage... but that's me... i heard change them 70k - 80k miles??? anyone else hear something different? will look more into it... may have to edit this post when i do find out Have had the same Hayden stacked plate cooler 18000gvw as tom03es for couple of years running AMSOIL atf. It's good for 70k & supposedly cooler temps than other atf. Changed mine to this at 35k, am around 80k now, have the filter & am about to swap fluid again. Not going to 105k like advertised. Trying to score the VB & do that all at the same time. 2 gallons of AMSOIL is about 100.00 then about 30 to have lube place put it in their machine & pull 95% of old out while pushin the new in & no mess & hassle vs. at home yourself. That's 30 I'll spend everytime. Done in less than 1/2 hr without a hassle or mess. stacked plate cooler 30% more effecient than tube & fin coolers.

[BinoMP5]

bazooka joe finally chimes in! prolly the fastest auto on here! thanks for all the pix and info!

[bazooka joe]

haha...22v is where my powa comes from!!!(cabpatch)

[fishdonotbounce]

Guys I just realized I never changed my tranny oil. Should I do so and what should I use? Also, how hard is it to do?

[bazooka joe]

my video...1st to second...half throttle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UdFeT5lIXg

[BinoMP5]

u let ur foot off the gas before u shifted..... i wish the clarity was a little better to watch the RPM drop... other than that, very nice! i forgot u said half-throttle and was like omg he's not that fast.... hahha maybe next time at a place where you have to increase speed... perhaps entering a highway instead of the trooper's street hahha.... ive been waiting for that vid.... thank you bazooka

fish-earlier posts show what choices of oil there are and approximately when to do it....

i'll work on putting some info on the first post

[i12drivemyMP5]

Guys I just realized I never changed my tranny oil. Should I do so and what should I use? Also, how hard is it to do?
It's not really that hard, just a potential fluid mess if you're not careful & requires more than one person so you have someone to play start/stop engine guy while the other juggles fluid containment & signalling key worker. MERCON V is the fluid type. AMSOIL synthetic atf will get ya double service intervals. Just make sure whatever fluid is mercon v compatible.


edit - IIRC the service intervals were 35k for oem fluid & 60k on the filter?

[bazooka joe]

u let ur foot off the gas before u shifted..... i wish the clarity was a little better to watch the RPM drop... other than that, very nice! i forgot u said half-throttle and was like omg he's not that fast.... hahha maybe next time at a place where you have to increase speed... perhaps entering a highway instead of the trooper's street hahha.... ive been waiting for that vid.... thank you bazooka

fish-earlier posts show what choices of oil there are and approximately when to do it....

i'll work on putting some info on the first post
ya, i do that real quick, just trying not to bust the tranny....i really don't need to though at that low psi...i'm doing another vid flat out, just gotta find a road.(drive)..around here there is so much traffic and cops it's nuts!(crazy)

[BinoMP5]

i12drivemyMP5-that's what i read and hear from people

bazooka_joe-safest is at the track lol... dont get busted trying to do the vid... or else that will be funny, for us and not you, if you have the cop chasing you in the vid

hahaha i just happen to be on youtube still after the video and found this vid... added March so it's fairly new and very new to me

The Protege Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJKY_XOifmg&feature=related)

i cant believe i just threadjacked my own thread.... so let's not get too carried away... (-.-)

and let me add this.... this was on a diff thread... in regards to the 626 manifold

Quote:
Originally Posted by fishdonotbounce
Wait does the 626 manifold dealio work for us auto guys? and how much HP does it add. For once I don't feel like searching so someone just give me a straight up answer

"You pick up some ponies in the higher-RPM range where the stock manifold has issues but the low-end loss in torque isn't worth it in N/A applications in my opinion. Hell, I have a turbo and there was a noticeable loss in low-end torque so how do you think that would translate into an N/A car? I'd stick with a VTCS-less stock manifold because you maintain power where it's most used and gain a little up top from increased flow" - magnumP5

[fishdonotbounce]

LMAO at the protege song. It's epic!

I'll leave the 626 mani alone for now though lol

[Not Jo3L]

My friend Albert turbocharged his auto silver p5 and is probably putting up the same numbers as you bazooka joe. I wish he would chime in on the thread.

[bazooka joe]

"f your lambo it's a protege"(thumb)

[Protege5 Driver]

Alright so I'm wondering what my quarter time should be with an OBX header, catback, high flow midpipe catted and microtech?

i did 16.8 with stock manifold no cats and free flow muffler with an intake

[BinoMP5]

dang... u broke 16s... hahaa i should be able to by my next run

[fishdonotbounce]

i did 16.8 with stock manifold no cats and free flow muffler with an intake


How loud was it with no cats and the muffler?

[Protege5 Driver]

How loud was it with no cats and the muffler?

not so loud

[Crazee D]

Here's some good info for you:
All g-series are created equal. Here is a quick list of cars the G-series comes in (and that this diff will work with):
87 Mazda 323 GT
90-94 Protege LX
91-94 Mercury Capri XR2
91-96 Escort GT, LX-E & Mercury Tracer
92-94 MX-3 GS (pos 1.8 v6)
93-97 MX-6 (both 4 and 6 cyl)
93-97 626 (both 4 & 6 cyl)
93-97 Probe (both 4 & 6 cyl)
95-98 Protege ES (1.8 dohc)
97-99 Kia Sephia (1.8 dohc)
97-present Ford Escort & ZX2's (i'm not sure of this but ppl tell me they use G-series too)
98-01 626 4 cyl (not sure about 6, i forgot if its a k-series)
01-03 Protege w/FS motor (2.0LX, ES, MP3, Protege5, MSP, and in 02' all DX and LX's got the 2.0 standard)

Basically any car with a 1.8 BP, 2.0 FS, or any K-series V6 has a G-series transmission, even the Miata. Theoretically you could swap the 6-speed Miata tranny guts into a FWD transmission (if it'll fit in the bellhousing).

from

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73862

[fishdonotbounce]

Alright guys. Here's the deal. I have a header that will be shipped out on Saturday, and a cat back pipe (to run from my MS axleback) being paid for this weekend. I just need a midpipe so that I can have a full exhaust. Will the SLS midpipe work and match up or is the tubing different? Also, I was thinking about doing a catless midpipe but that would mean I wouldn't have any cats lol. Good idea or bad idea?

[BinoMP5]

the info just keeps piling up

fish-since your'e not in Cali you have a choice... if your worried about it being too loud and catching too much attention... get a high flow... the high flows flow decent enough and you'll sound deeper and not as open as someone who has no cats, me..... im telling you, man... custom midpipe... go to a muffler shop and ask them for an estimate...

[Bala]

gotta sub - I'm a member of the club ...

[fishdonotbounce]

Hmmm Bino that's a very good idea. Should I just buy a high flow cat and then get in contact with the shop or just have them take care of it? Never had custom work done before

[asmo 03 mp5]

Im turbo, trans was sliping bad and then would just rev in fourth no power just rev up, stuck in manual mode and didnt use fourth at all for a week then third started doing same thing, I pulled trans apart last weekend and the direct clutch was the problem .totally wore out no friction material at all, this is deffently the weak point in these trans. I got the alto direct clutch upgrade should fix the problem stock only has 3 clutch plates the kit upgades it to 5, changed all the clutch pack to alto high performance, and also bought the ford racing focus torque converter kit it includes the 32 spline input shaft and a TCS converter. Ill have all this going in the next few weeks so Ill chime back in with results, btw car has 60k -2500mi since turbo. I not doing the VB as it only controls the 2-3 and 3-4 shifts the 1-2 shift , it is computer controled and cant be changed, plus I think manualshift mode is fine, focus dont have this thats why they all get the VB upgrade.
the trans cooler is a MUST for all Autos .

[Not Jo3L]

I think on our cars..running no secondary cat hardly gives the engine more hp. Highflow cats are designed really well and still keep you legal, so its up to the driver if they want to risk having no cats on the car if they live in an area where thats a problem.

This is coming from the owner of a catless running protege. :)

[SIBalla23]

I have my protege turboed and its an automatic. Can see mods in my signature. Running 6psi and yes its tons of fun.

[Tom03es]

.... I got the alto direct clutch upgrade should fix the problem stock only has 3 clutch plates the kit upgades it to 5, changed all the clutch pack to alto high performance, and also bought the ford racing focus torque converter kit it includes the 32 spline input shaft and a TCS converter. Ill have all this going in the next few weeks so Ill chime back in with results.......

How much were each of these upgrades?

Are you having a shop do the work? If so, about how much is all this going to cost you?

[jhillzoom]

Whats the best trans cooler and where do I get one?

[SIBalla23]

B&M part #70264 . I use that one on my boosted automatic protege. It comes with everything you need to install. I would suggest to get a little extra hose. My temps stay around 130-150 degrees.

[i12drivemyMP5]

Whats the best trans cooler and where do I get one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HAYDEN-1677-TRANSAVER-PLUS-TRANSMISSION-OIL-COOLER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1 247QQcategoryZ33727QQihZ011QQitemZ320116151184QQrd Z1QQsspagenameZWD1V

[Crazee D]

I am also looking into cooling for trans and oil. Fluidyne, Derale, Setrab, thermo cool

I want to hear more from ASMO!
Which upgrade was this, the rebuild kit?

[Crazee D]

I run a hi flo cat too

check out the POLL in the last of the threads at the bottom:.
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[asmo 03 mp5]

I bought alto master kit #133750ahppsc it includes all clutches steels the power pack upgrade, seals, and filter its for the 4f27e trans.
I would recomend just the #133750ahppwr kit it only has the clutchs and steels with the upgrade but alot of the other parts in my kit I cant use, the ford uses different pump seal and filter etc. I would get a mazda fn4ael over haul kit from transstar or another company and probally have less headaches instead of trying to find the right filter, seals ,etc.
the master kit cost about $250 but I spent another $40 getting the filter and pump seal around town plus you need all the molded pistons the kit doesnt include them. they were bout $200 they are all the same as 4f27e except the reverse one so I bought a 4f27e kit and the other piston seperate, could have saved money but didnt want to wait for order.
I think a transtar kit for fn4ael with the pistons is available cheaper but I didnt know then about the differences between the ford and mazda.
then bought the ford racing #m4209-fd kit it has the heavy duty input shaft and torque converter, they just discontinued this kit so I found it from mcnews auto for $650- about half of retail. It has a TCS converter if you want one they probally will still sell this kit.
And yes Im doing it myself but I have worked as pretty much a mechanic so its not too difficult for me.on a scale of 1-10 a 1 would be installing a CAI a 10 would be the trans,
I run no cats have a non-fouler and every inspection they never even look, lucky me.

[BinoMP5]

i might get these instead of the Lentech Street Terminator ($2k)... and since you're boosting... it should hold whatever i put into it... i'm going NA for autoX and spraying at the drag strip... should be around 200hp... i just want a 13 second DD car... is that asking too much??

asmo-perhaps links to the store/website?

[Tom03es]

B&M part #70264 . I use that one on my boosted automatic protege. It comes with everything you need to install. I would suggest to get a little extra hose. My temps stay around 130-150 degrees.
Where are you measuring temps at?

I have a temp sendor on the HOT and the COLD lines (with a toggle switch in the dash to switch between them). With the aux cooler after the integrated radiator cooler, I'm seeing COLD side temps around 125-150 while the HOT side is 180-230. But what's weird is that I was just seeing 230 driving around tonight- it's in the mid 60's out right now and I was on the freeway doing 65 mph. That seems like a lot of heat to be generated inside the transmission cruising at 65 on a cool night. I guess the good news is that the aux cooler was rejecting a little more than 80 degrees of heat at the time.

[SIBalla23]

I got the temp sender in the trans pan. Thats where it is recommended to go. The sender is mounted in place of the drain bolt.

[Tom03es]

What did you need to put it in the drain plug? Does one of those extra fittings that come with the gauge fit the drain plug?

[SIBalla23]

The thread fitting is m14x1.5. Get a fitting like that here:
http://www.egauges.com/vdo_indA.asp?PN=R7963
Get a washer the same size to use. Once that fitting is in the pan where the drain bolt goes, you install the sender into that fitting.

[SIBalla23]

bazooka joe finally chimes in! prolly the fastest auto on here! thanks for all the pix and info!

Hehe, he is one of the fastest autos around here. I think I would give him some competition. To bad he's a good deals away from me, be interesting to compare both cars at the track.

[bazooka joe]

the fastest in the world!(lol2)
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[SIBalla23]

I could probably give you a run for your money lol

[bazooka joe]

i'm sure!

[Crazee D]

inspiration:
http://www.envyperformance.com/images/products//sm_1238.jpg
http://www.envyperformance.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4933

[KrayzieFox]

I guess I'll subscribe to this since Tom directed me over here. Other than stalking the FS section, I don't get on here much (TMF is where I'm at 99% of the time) but this thread looks promising, and unlike 90% of the posts I see here this thread seems headed in the right direction.

So I guess it's time I chime in here.

I'm also one of the few turbo automatic P5 owners (tiptronic tranny does help with boosting) and I just joined the dark side a couple weeks ago. It's a blast, and I could never go back. I'm running 6 psi probably around 160 HP.. same as bazooka_joe. But you do gotta pay to play. Monitoring your temps, pressures, etc. with proper gauges is a MUST, or you'll be left without an engine or tranny real fast. Leaks pop up here and there and if they're not noticed on time it can get ugly.. Also, you have to use higher grade gas and make sure you're changing the fluids on time, cuz shit gets hot and oil breaks down a lot faster. So even regular maintenance costs more now, but it's ok cuz the extra ponies are well worth it :)

My setup is the MSP GT25R turbo with the MSP (Callaway) turbo mani and s-pipe & j-pipe. Highflow MAM midpipe and Racing Beat catback. Sounds amazing.. The intake and FMIC pipes were all custom but they work pretty good for the most part, and the intake sounds SUPER LOUD!!

Other than that, I was going to install the Lentech valve body upgrade but the one I bought turned out to be an OEM Mazda6 valve body. Some douche bag from Mazda6 club came here after totaling his car and sold an OEM body as Lentech. I ended up buying it (bazooka ALMOST did, but I beat him to it..) and then a year later finally got my money back after he scammed some Subaru guys and having all of us team up on him. But that's definitely still a mod that's on my list, because shifts take way too long without them and I would really like to minimize the wear on my transmission. I have a detailed How-To with pictures for this install on TMF but since the admins of this forum are gay I can't link it or any of the pics from that site.. so sorry guys.

And as for the tranny cooler, it's a must whether you're turbo or not. I've had one for the past two years and my tranny is completely cooled by it. I don't use the stock radiator at all, it all goes through the cooler. Bought it at Advance Auto for like $50, I think it's a Hayden and it comes with everything you need for install. It's really easy, you mount it on the AC condenser behind the grille using the supplied straps and hook up the hoses to the tranny.. that's it. I have pics, but as I said the gay rules of this forum prevent me from posting them.



And finally a question about the tranny temp sensor (this is directed at SIBalla). I would really like to see a pic of the sensor in the drain plug. I was gonna install mine that way, but it didn't look like there was a lot of room for it in front of the drain plug.

[rooster]

krayzie fox, can you send me PM with a link to your build.

I'll be attempting to turbo my atx within the next month.

so far i've got lined up is msp turbo mani, msp turbo, and s-pipe, stock msp intercooler piping and hopefully a SS AFC.

I'll probably pick up a lentech in a couple of weeks as i'm only a 30 min drive away from them.

(Lentech VB GB anyone?)

I've done the whole intake header exhaust bit, but it's still a slowtege, I can't even keep up with a toyota FJ. sad...

[fishdonotbounce]

I've decided to leave the turboing alone until I finish college. Then it's MS3 here I come and Turbo Auto P5 project car FTW. Who knows? I may even do a tranny swap.... ZOMG did I just say that?

[KrayzieFox]

(Lentech VB GB anyone?)

Umm YES PLEASE!! If they're willing to do it, but I doubt they will be. I contacted them about trying to save some money by sending them my extra core and having them NOT send the solenoids in hopes of saving some money, but they pretty much dicked me around and threw a whole bunch of B.S. my way in hopes of getting rid of me.. which they did. So for that reason I highly doubt Lentech will be willing to give ANY type of discount.

As for the build, I'd gladly PM the links but once again.. the admins of this forum decided to be homos and disable that as well. So here's what I'll do.

To anyone interested in checking out my turbo install or if you'd like to see the how-to on installing the valve bodies, copy and paste these links without the spaces. I'll also include a link that shows how my tranny cooler is installed.

Turbo Install
http://www.the mazda forum.com/showthread.php?t=5373
http://www.the mazda forum.com/showthread.php?t=5458

FMIC Fitment
http://www.the mazda forum.com/showthread.php?t=5470

BEGi RRFPR How-To (I used this and the Flyin Miata o2 clamp for fuel management)
http://www.the mazda forum.com/showthread.php?t=5516ff

Flyin Miata o2 voltage clamp instructions (post #6)
http://www.the mazda forum.com/showthread.php?t=4982

Valve Body How-To
http://www.the mazda forum.com/showthread.php?t=1663

Tranny Cooler install (Mini How-To)
http://www.the mazda forum.com/showpost.php?p=44038&postcount=32


Those links should have a whole lot of info about turboing an automatic. The BEGi RRFPR and FM o2 clamp are by far the easiest and most affordable route to do fuel management on an automatic. The FPR is a piece of cake (see my how-to) and the o2 clamp requires a vacuum line and splicing of 4 wires (follow LAST page instructions of Flyin Miata's document).

[KrayzieFox]

I've decided to leave the turboing alone until I finish college. Then it's MS3 here I come and Turbo Auto P5 project car FTW. Who knows? I may even do a tranny swap.... ZOMG did I just say that?

If I could find a cheap wrecked 5-speed I would do it in a heart beat. But trying to source all the parts one by one.. forget it.

[rooster]

tmf is making me mad...

[rooster]

If I could find a cheap wrecked 5-speed I would do it in a heart beat. But trying to source all the parts one by one.. forget it.

there's one here in toronto, guy wants 1600 canadian for it.

[KrayzieFox]

there's one here in toronto, guy wants 1600 canadian for it.

That's not bad, if only I could get it down here to Iowa for cheap.

[KrayzieFox]

tmf is making me mad...

Signing up giving you a hard time or what?

[rooster]

Signing up giving you a hard time or what?

yups.. tells me i've used my email to sign up, which i have, but i haven't recieved a confirmation signup link or whatever.. argh.

[rooster]

can a lsd be fitted into the auto?

[fLyPiNoY7]

My friend Albert turbocharged his auto silver p5 and is probably putting up the same numbers as you bazooka joe. I wish he would chime in on the thread.

haha...i finally found the thread...but yeah, im running my auto p5 with the msp turbo and homebuilt fmic setup with parts from ebay (actually installed it this weekend 2 years ago)...no major problems in that time period though i am running one less tranny cooler now since i had to change my stock radiator and am just running with one aftermarket tranny cooler...

running with the lentech valvebody and planning on upgrading engine and tranny internals next year...running at 7.5psi right now and with the ss afc v1...only problem ive been having are getting the tune right (now running 440cc injectors) and an ongoing issue with my radiators leaking (im on the 3rd one right now its copper...but still springing some small leaks)

best dyno run i got 160whp...but that was untuned and before i got the bigger injectors...

can a lsd be fitted into the auto?

lentech sells an lsd...im looking into that for next year...

[Not Jo3L]

Yay you finally found it. Alberts ride is quick for an automatic :)

[SIBalla23]

And finally a question about the tranny temp sensor (this is directed at SIBalla). I would really like to see a pic of the sensor in the drain plug. I was gonna install mine that way, but it didn't look like there was a lot of room for it in front of the drain plug.

Get a m14x1.5 washer from any autoparts store. I personally used one that was copper on the outside and rubber in the inside part. But any washer will do. Get that fitting I had the link to in my other post, remove that crappy little rubber o-ring from it and install washer. Now my trans temp gauge is the autometer ultralite. Took the sender and installed it into the fitting. Make it real tight and use teflon sealant,not tape but the sealant in the tube(permatex) Once that is in take the entire sender/fitting and install it replacing the drain bolt. It just fits trust me. Then do your wire hookup to it. Very simple job. Do in that order and there will be no problems. Do not try and install fitting into pan first then install sender, will not have enough room since you need the sender threaded into that fitting first. Those few threads make the clearance you need. I hope this helps you further understand. But will try and take a pic in a day or two to help show better.

[fLyPiNoY7]

indeed...the car can handle boost just fine...its all just a matter of keeping a really close eye on things and keeping up with the maintenence

[SIBalla23]

Same method appiles to hooking up an oil temp gauge to the oil pan.

[fLyPiNoY7]

isnt there a risk of some sort of debris jumping up and smacking into the sender and knocking it off?

[SIBalla23]

I wouldn't really think so since the drain and sender is on the back of the pan and the plastic sheild infront the pan does block pebbles and crap like that. I would think it would only come out if you bottomed out with car being lowered but if that happened the pan would be ripped out too. Sender is facing parallel to ground not at it.

[SIBalla23]

Plus its recommended to get the sender mounted to pan either by doing my method or welding it to the pan. If you seen the pan its not very deep so it can't really go any higher on the pan than the drain already is at. Plus like I said its at the back.

[fLyPiNoY7]

ahh...i might look into that then...right now i have my tranny temp sender sitting in this huge brass fitting full of adapters...im thinking that might throw off the temp readings a bit...

[KrayzieFox]

ahh...i might look into that then...right now i have my tranny temp sender sitting in this huge brass fitting full of adapters...im thinking that might throw off the temp readings a bit...

Yea that's how mine is hooked up too, it splices into the line that goes to the tranny cooler. I'll definitely try the drain plug instead now that I know it can fit.

[bazooka joe]

cool thread! i'll be doing my tranny cooler soon...the temp guage setup sounds perfect!

[BinoMP5]

for those of you boosting... how are the first 2 gears? i autoX and definately step on it during these gears... if i boost... i would die quick... that's why i'm pretty NA for now...

[SIBalla23]

Remember too, when the sender is mounted in the pan, it grounds itself through the pan. If you do it on the lines, you have to creat a ground wire from sender to chasis ground. More of a pain in my opinion.

[SIBalla23]

With the gt25r turbo its spools very fast so your in boost very quickly. Also with the lentech valvebody it shifts fast so you can go through the gears fast. It pulls hard every gear.

[fLyPiNoY7]

for those of you boosting... how are the first 2 gears? i autoX and definately step on it during these gears... if i boost... i would die quick... that's why i'm pretty NA for now...

i dont really hit boost in first gear, but 2nd gear pulls very very strong...

Remember too, when the sender is mounted in the pan, it grounds itself through the pan. If you do it on the lines, you have to creat a ground wire from sender to chasis ground. More of a pain in my opinion.

yep...my grounding wire is basically a wire with a ring terminal at the end thats taped to the side of the brass fitting...

[asmo 03 mp5]

I have the temp sender fitting like siballr23 just one after the cooler, I never see temps above 150 degrees, I installed sender on the stock setup and temps were 180-200 the stock cooler in the radiator wont cool it lower than coolant temps so it sucks. I must have bad luck tho Im boostn 5-6 psi and trans only lasted about 2500 mi

[BinoMP5]

but is it safe to WOT those gears??

[KrayzieFox]

I don't boost in 1st either, but I'll get on it in 2nd.. and it does pull pretty hard. I usually try to let the engine get to ~4500 rpm before I punch it all the way, my understanding is that the low end torque is what destroys automatics so I try to avoid getting on it below 4000 rpm.

As for AutoX, if you have tiptronic you're set. I just did my first one a couple weekends ago and it was AWESOME! 2nd redlines around 70 mph on the automatics and most AutoX courses won't ever have you going faster than that, and with the quick spool up time of the T25 you'll be hauling some serious ass!! Here's a short clip if any of you are interested in seeing how fun an auto P5-T can be ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVg0z22EU18

[rooster]

the turbo install seems alot more complicated than i originally thought..

how hard is it to get to the oil sender location?..

i still gotta hit up the dealer for oil and coolant lines/ fittings.

[BinoMP5]

am i the only one who drives only in Manual mode? except when the dog is in the car...

i thought it was 4k up that would blow up the trannies in low gears.... hmmm

but once u get stronger pistons and rods for the tranny and beef that up... it should be safe to WOT it all through the gears

[KrayzieFox]

the turbo install seems alot more complicated than i originally thought..

how hard is it to get to the oil sender location?..

i still gotta hit up the dealer for oil and coolant lines/ fittings.

It's a bit overwhelming at first, but once you get all the parts together and inspect the areas you need to work on several times, it's not so bad. I remember getting ready to do the install and going over the entire procedure in my head over and over and over and over again to make sure I really knew what all needed to be done. Until you can go through the entire install in your head, you're not really ready for it.

The oil sender isn't very hard to get to, but there just isn't a lot of room to work with back there. Removing the intake manifold and working from the top would help a LOT but that's probably way more work than just struggling with it from underneath the car..

As for the lines and fittings, the dealer WILL rape you. Just the water/coolant feed pipe is $107 or something outrageous like that. That's just the pipe too.. the silicone hoses and fittings are extra. Your best bet is to stalk the FS section and get everything from a wrecked MSP or come up with something custom.

[fLyPiNoY7]

I don't boost in 1st either, but I'll get on it in 2nd.. and it does pull pretty hard. I usually try to let the engine get to ~4500 rpm before I punch it all the way, my understanding is that the low end torque is what destroys automatics so I try to avoid getting on it below 4000 rpm.

As for AutoX, if you have tiptronic you're set. I just did my first one a couple weekends ago and it was AWESOME! 2nd redlines around 70 mph on the automatics and most AutoX courses won't ever have you going faster than that, and with the quick spool up time of the T25 you'll be hauling some serious ass!! Here's a short clip if any of you are interested in seeing how fun an auto P5-T can be ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVg0z22EU18

what class are u running?...i was thinking of autoxing mine but im pretty sure ill be shoved into sm

the turbo install seems alot more complicated than i originally thought..

how hard is it to get to the oil sender location?..

i still gotta hit up the dealer for oil and coolant lines/ fittings.

best tips i would give about doing a turbo install:

for the oil sender, use a sandwich plate instead of removing the stock oil pressure sender...much less risk of the sender breaking off inside of the block and also a whole lot easier to remove the turbo setup if u need to...the sandwich plate sits in between the block and the oil filter and also allows u to install aftermarket oil temp/pressure guages...

for the coolant lines, make your own with as tough hoses that u can find (steel braided preferably) since it gets so hot...i broke 3 rubber hose lines before completely replacing it with reinforced lines (and a heat wrap)...i highly recommend using a banjo fitting for the hookup at the turbo since it is pretty tight there and the banjo fitting gives fewer places for the lines to leak...

and if u did the coolant bypass mod, u can just use those coolant outlets to attach the hoses from the turbo to...saves a lot of money from the dealership route

[KrayzieFox]

what class are u running?...i was thinking of autoxing mine but im pretty sure ill be shoved into sm

Yep, Street Modified is what they shoved me into. It's a very competitive class but I did pretty good for my first time. Khaosman from Des Moines with the black P5-T got first place at that event, so our cars are more than capable of spanking some Evo and Scooby asses. But then again, he does have a manual tranny with a lightweight flywheel (that car is SOOOO fast even at only 9 psi!!!), AWR coilovers and a MOMO steering wheel (the steering wheel is awesome, it's like driving a go-kart).

[fLyPiNoY7]

ahh...good to know...maybe ill take a crack at it one of these days...i live right up the street from one of the autox courses

[BinoMP5]

i run at STS... trying to get a sticker to make it look like the 5 from the Mach 5.... SM are where the big boys play... hopefully staying in that class until either an EMS, internals or TRUBO!!!

do u guys ever down shift to first in autox? the track here is always full of twisties and not really much straightaways for WOT... i should just stay in 2nd once i get there and just gas it more... i remember my tranny shifting really hard the next 2 weeks when i downshifted to 1st a lot....

for the tranny cooler... do u just take the hoses going to the radiator and hook it up to the cooler?

[KrayzieFox]

do u guys ever down shift to first in autox?

for the tranny cooler... do u just take the hoses going to the radiator and hook it up to the cooler?

No, I don't boost in 1st so no downshifting.

Yes, simple as that.

[fLyPiNoY7]

for the tranny cooler... do u just take the hoses going to the radiator and hook it up to the cooler?

yep...u can run the new cooler and the existing cooler under the radiator in series...should cool down the tranny fluid more

[SIBalla23]

In my opinion the stock cooler is garbage. It only cools it to around the temp of the coolant. Get a cooler thats very high rated and bypass the stock cooler. When I did my swap, I swapped out my radiator for the msp radiator so the stock cooler was gone anyway.

[fLyPiNoY7]

yeah, since i changed my radiator, im strictly running the aftermarket cooler by itself...im just thinking that running 2 coolers would make the fluid run cooler than just having 1

[SIBalla23]

Common sense would make you think that but since the stock trans cooler is water cooled with the coolant any aftermarket cooler that has a high rating will make it alot more cooler.

[KrayzieFox]

Common sense would make you think that but since the stock trans cooler is water cooled with the coolant any aftermarket cooler that has a high rating will make it alot more cooler.

I'm with you man, I think the auxillary cooler does a better job by itself than with the radiator. I was talking to Tom about this before and he's got that sweet dual temp sensor setup so he can see temps before and after the cooler. It would be good to see how the temps change with the bypass of the radiator cooler.

[fLyPiNoY7]

ahh...that makes sense...

[rooster]

how much atf does the tranny take?

[KrayzieFox]

7.8 quarts

[BinoMP5]

would the lightweight pulleys affect the transmission cooler? i hear it may not cool the motor as well with the lighter pulleys... it looks like the tranny cooler runs off its own cooling system so more likely not

[Tom03es]

Pulleys should have no effect on transmission cooling. The transmission pumps fluid into the bottom of the radiator where it is "cooled" and then pushed back into the transmission. The transmission itself acts as a pump.

I've been monitoring fluid temps lately. Tonight I just bypassed the factory cooler and am relying solely on the aux cooler. My thought is that the factory cooler is actually warming the fluid up too much from the engine coolant. We'll see.

[KrayzieFox]

Yea pulleys and transmission have no direct affect on each other as far as fluid is concerned.

Keep us posted on your cooling research Tom. I think you should be seeing lower temps with JUST the aux cooler..

[BinoMP5]

by auxillary you mean the aftermarket tranny cooler, correct? tripple checking

[Tom03es]

by auxillary you mean the aftermarket tranny cooler, correct? tripple checking
Correcto.

[Tom03es]

Lentech Street Terminator valve body installed today. Install was pretty easy, but very messy. Shifting is definitely more solid and direct now.

Here's a video of the noise the transmission will make when you start it for the first time. Plus I did a little walk around of the car while it did its thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dMm9P2gUK0

[BinoMP5]

zomg! perhaps a drive around is in order.... amazing quality... anybody know why it makes those sounds?

[SIBalla23]

The noise is the pump trying to suck the trans oil throughout the transmission.

[bazooka joe]

Lentech Street Terminator valve body installed today. Install was pretty easy, but very messy. Shifting is definitely more solid and direct now.

Here's a video of the noise the transmission will make when you start it for the first time. Plus I did a little walk around of the car while it did its thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dMm9P2gUK0
another convert!!! ya, it is messy!:D

[SIBalla23]

Its good to see more guys with autos taking it a step further.

[AtenzaNY62]

sucks there is hardly aftermarket support for proteges, and most recent mazdas...

[rooster]

question!

I've got a ss afc v1 coming to me, but someone told me that the ecu learns around the afc, and i'll have troubles.

would it be best to ditch the afc and go with the begi rrfpr and o2 clamp? or is the afc tried tested and true?

[KrayzieFox]

Dunno about the afc but I can confirm that the BEGi and FM o2 V-clamp works AWESOME!! Super easy to install & tune, and very reliable.

[bazooka joe]

Dunno about the afc but I can confirm that the BEGi and FM o2 V-clamp works AWESOME!! Super easy to install & tune, and very reliable.
+1

[Tom03es]

I've got a ss afc v1 coming to me, but someone told me that the ecu learns around the afc, and i'll have troubles.


The ECU will learn around the piggy back in CLOSED LOOP operation, but in OPEN LOOP, you can use the piggy back to adjust the air/fuel mix.

Dunno about the afc but I can confirm that the BEGi and FM o2 V-clamp works AWESOME!! Super easy to install & tune, and very reliable.

Can you add LESS fuel with this set up? I think I've only seen this setup used for turbos when you need more fuel due to the turbo. For NA, you want less fuel.

[bazooka joe]

this set up only adds fuel

[KrayzieFox]

Can you add LESS fuel with this set up? I think I've only seen this setup used for turbos when you need more fuel due to the turbo. For NA, you want less fuel.

this set up only adds fuel

^What Mark said..
This is strictly for FI applications, I didn't realize we were talking about NA modifying.

[fLyPiNoY7]

question!

I've got a ss afc v1 coming to me, but someone told me that the ecu learns around the afc, and i'll have troubles.

would it be best to ditch the afc and go with the begi rrfpr and o2 clamp? or is the afc tried tested and true?

i would stick with the afc...i have mine running right now and its pretty good at pulling or dumping fuel...only problem im having right now is finding the right map (since im pretty sure we cant use the msp's maps)

[rooster]

i would stick with the afc...i have mine running right now and its pretty good at pulling or dumping fuel...only problem im having right now is finding the right map (since im pretty sure we cant use the msp's maps)

why would the msp maps not work?

[KrayzieFox]

why would the msp maps not work?

All MSP's were 5-speed.

[Tom03es]

And MSPs need more fuel because of the turbo.

[fLyPiNoY7]

indeed...i heard that the msp's ecu dumps more fuel in boost while the protege/p5 ecu doesnt...so the afc will be used to compensate for that lack of fuel for the proteges/p5 while in the msps, they take fuel away to give more power?

so because of that, i would think that using the msp maps would pull more fuel away from an already lean state...

[BinoMP5]

so the question is... what is the best setup for NA guys other than StandAlone?

i was thinking of getting the AEM F/I Contorller myself...

[fLyPiNoY7]

i think a standalone would be the only way to really get around the ecu's control on closed loop...im actually not sure how the afc would work in an na setup though

[ngupta7]

Hey guys decided to come back to the forum to see whats going on. I have a 99 lx 1.6 that I boosted almost a year ago now, I installed the valve body a while ago as well as an aux tranny cooler and royal purple atf. Running 8lbs and the car pulls very nicely, so far no issues, phew. What I'm trying to do now is find out if anyone has any info on how to toggle lock up manually. Had this idea with a friend a few days ago and did some research online. On many cars/trucks you can splice into a wire and just toggle weather or not you wish the converter to lock up or not. Of course this is not helping the life of the tranny but it would be nice to get some more power out of 4th gear instead of having it lock almost immediately. If anyone has any info it would be great. Thanks.

[Tom03es]

I think Lentech sells a controller. Or someone does.....

[rooster]

How did jamesk get his AFC to work with the ecu for na. Something about running a wire to the o2 sensor that made the ecu run open loop all the time. Which sound like a o2 clamp

[Scorch03]

If i wanted to just floor it through all the gears at like 6psi is the valve body alone enough? I read the other posts but i"m kinda lost, what other mods would I need and what part exactly are they?

[kid prodigy]

sub

[Tom03es]

If i wanted to just floor it through all the gears at like 6psi is the valve body alone enough?

No. You need a cooler and good fluid. Or at least that's what I'd HIGHLY recommend.

[KrayzieFox]

If i wanted to just floor it through all the gears at like 6psi is the valve body alone enough? I read the other posts but i"m kinda lost, what other mods would I need and what part exactly are they?

No way!! You'd need a FULLY BUILT tranny to handle that kind of stress on a daily basis. If you plan on boosting, I highly suggest AT LEAST using synthetic fluid and an external tranny cooler. The valve body will decrease the stress on other tranny components by decreasing the shift times, but it does NOT allow you to just floor it through all the gears. You can maybe get away with that a dozen times and after that you'll be able to wipe your ass with the tranny..

You gotta keep in mind that our cars were nowhere close meant to handle this kind of abuse, therefore the transmissions are pretty weak stuff.

[bazooka joe]

ya, like krayzie says, you might get away with that a dozen times...but the tranny just isn't that strong....when i boost in 1st and mannually shift to 2nd, and D, i let off the gas just a touch and she works fine...of course i don't do that a bunch either...bottom line, you want to go balls to the wall, don't boost the auto! it's great for passing and giving you the little extra mazda didn't..it makes up for the loss of the automatic...but it will never be a drag queen!

[KrayzieFox]

^Exactly. At 6 psi the P5 now feels the way it should've felt when it came out of Mazda. It's by no means a fast car, and unless you have ~$5K to invest in a good tranny and engine components, then it never will be..

[Scorch03]

I meant to include the cooler and fluid in the original post, but i did figure it still wouldn't stand up to that. Anybody know anything about the Lentech Street Terminator, It says it's good for 275 whp so i would think it could take that abuse, I'm just wondering if you could just swap them or if there's more too it?

[Tom03es]

Anybody know anything about the Lentech Street Terminator, It says it's good for 275 whp

Where does it say that?

[bazooka joe]

if i had an extra 2k i'd by that thing in a second...but then i'd need a built motor!
http://www.lentechautomatics.com/4f27eproducts.html
go to transmissions and click in the circle for street terminator - 275hp

[KrayzieFox]

if i had an extra 2k i'd by that thing in a second...but then i'd need a built motor!
http://www.lentechautomatics.com/4f27eproducts.html
go to transmissions and click in the circle for street terminator - 275hp

Well I'd say if our tranny ever blows up (God I hope it NEVER does!!) this would be a worthy investment. I mean it's cheaper than going the manual swap route, and another automatic would cost at least half of that..

[Tom03es]

Oh yeah. I forgot they had a transmission called Street Terminator as well as the valve body. My bad.

[Scorch03]

It is made for the Focus though right? I'm just thinking it might not fit into the bell housing or bolt up differently or something. I tried searching but haven't find anyone conclusively saying they've done it and it works, has anyone on here tried it?

[Scorch03]

Alsa i meant to ask how exactly the tranny cooler mounts because Ive heard it uses the a/c something or other and i don't have a/c, is this a problem?

[KrayzieFox]

The tranny cooler mounts on the front of the AC condenser. If you don't have one, you can just as easily use the radiator. AC doesn't really have a direct impact on being able to install a tranny cooler, it just helps with mounting.

As for the Lentech transmissions, I spoke with Lentech earlier today and they build separate transmissions for the Protege and Focus. Mazda ones have to be ordered in advance because they're not as popular, and the Focus tranny would not be a direct bolt on.

[Scorch03]

Ya i figured there had to be something different. Its good to know they make one for the Protege though. I'm thinking I'll do the tranny upgrades than save for a turbo kit, maybe HiBosst or one off a MSP and if the tranny implodes (god forbid) street terminator here i come.

[KrayzieFox]

Yea that's what I'm saying. If my tranny goes, it's Street Terminator time.

[Crazee D]

I bought alto master kit #133750ahppsc it includes all clutches steels the power pack upgrade, seals, and filter its for the 4f27e trans.
I would recomend just the #133750ahppwr kit it only has the clutchs and steels with the upgrade but alot of the other parts in my kit I cant use, the ford uses different pump seal and filter etc. I would get a mazda fn4ael over haul kit from transstar or another company and probally have less headaches instead of trying to find the right filter, seals ,etc.
the master kit cost about $250 but I spent another $40 getting the filter and pump seal around town plus you need all the molded pistons the kit doesnt include them. they were bout $200 they are all the same as 4f27e except the reverse one so I bought a 4f27e kit and the other piston seperate, could have saved money but didnt want to wait for order.
I think a transtar kit for fn4ael with the pistons is available cheaper but I didnt know then about the differences between the ford and mazda.
then bought the ford racing #m4209-fd kit it has the heavy duty input shaft and torque converter, they just discontinued this kit so I found it from mcnews auto for $650- about half of retail. It has a TCS converter if you want one they probally will still sell this kit.
And yes Im doing it myself but I have worked as pretty much a mechanic so its not too difficult for me.on a scale of 1-10 a 1 would be installing a CAI a 10 would be the trans,
I run no cats have a non-fouler and every inspection they never even look, lucky me.

http://www.pstusa.com/np39.pdf

[Scorch03]

One last question, do you guys all have the shift-tronic thing or, do you just let it sit in drive or, do you select first then second then drive then turn on the O/D? I'm just wondering because i don't have the shift-tronic thing and I've ridden with people who pretended they had it and picked first then second and so on and it always felt like the car was going to die.

[SIBalla23]

I have a regular automatic, no shifttronic and mine is boosted. Just dont high rev it in first or second gear.

[bazooka joe]

i have the reg auto...just driving around i'll start in drive, when it shifts to 2nd i manually down shift to 2nd and will keep it there to keep the revs up then shift it to drive when i'm crusing...when i really want to go, i'll start in 1st and do some low boost, off the gas for a sec and shift to 2nd and take it to 6 psi, then into drive and boost all the way to 7K then to OD, no boost here

[Tom03es]

I'm not boosted, but I have the shift-tronic. I rarely use it though.

[BinoMP5]

i use nothing but shiftronic............. and neutral sometimes because of the motor mounts.........

[KrayzieFox]

I have tiptronic (shiftronic?) in mine and I do use it quite often. With the turbo installed it honestly does help, because it gives me the ability to control the stress on the tranny. If I'm in regular D then the tranny will shift when it feels like it (even if I'm in boost) but when in M (tiptronic) mode I can let off the gas first, then shift on my own without the boost putting extra stress on the tranny.

But for daily grandma driving, I do use regular automatic mode.

[Scorch03]

All very good to know, thanks for all the answers guys.

[asmo 03 mp5]

found this it should work for us, I guess basicly it changes the signal to the epc solenoid to increase pressure to firm shifts, I ordered it and will keep u guys updated if it will work for the mazdas.
http://www.escortfocus.com/html/shift_improver.html
The focus trans does have different case but all internals and gears are the same between then, lentech probally has'nt sold enough mazdas to keep cases around, most times you can ship them your trans and they can do a rebuild-turnaround in a few days.

[fLyPiNoY7]

I bought alto master kit #133750ahppsc it includes all clutches steels the power pack upgrade, seals, and filter its for the 4f27e trans. I would recomend just the #133750ahppwr kit it only has the clutchs and steels with the upgrade but alot of the other parts in my kit I cant use, the ford uses different pump seal and filter etc. I would get a mazda fn4ael over haul kit from transstar or another company and probally have less headaches instead of trying to find the right filter, seals ,etc. the master kit cost about $250 but I spent another $40 getting the filter and pump seal around town plus you need all the molded pistons the kit doesnt include them. they were bout $200 they are all the same as 4f27e except the reverse one so I bought a 4f27e kit and the other piston seperate, could have saved money but didnt want to wait for order. I think a transtar kit for fn4ael with the pistons is available cheaper but I didnt know then about the differences between the ford and mazda. then bought the ford racing #m4209-fd kit it has the heavy duty input shaft and torque converter, they just discontinued this kit so I found it from mcnews auto for $650- about half of retail. It has a TCS converter if you want one they probally will still sell this kit. And yes Im doing it myself but I have worked as pretty much a mechanic so its not too difficult for me.on a scale of 1-10 a 1 would be installing a CAI a 10 would be the trans, I run no cats have a non-fouler and every inspection they never even look, lucky me. http://www.pstusa.com/np39.pdf

im confused...which one do we need?

[Scorch03]

Good find, i hope it works

[asmo 03 mp5]

you'll want the 133750ahppwr kit it has all the clutches and steels, the link is just the powerpack upgrade, just new clutches and steels for the direct clutch.
I hope to have my setup running here in the next week or so, after a few miles Ill do a post about the total project with pics and part numbers etc.

[BinoMP5]

ooh... can't wait for that

[fLyPiNoY7]

just did the tranny temp sender relocation...a little tight fit around that area but it looks like its working better than before now...temps seem more stable...im assuming it was getting hotter than it the fluid was really getting in its old position due to the fact that it was sitting in close proximity to the turbo and the block...

[SIBalla23]

just did the tranny temp sender relocation...a little tight fit around that area but it looks like its working better than before now...temps seem more stable...im assuming it was getting hotter than it the fluid was really getting in its old position due to the fact that it was sitting in close proximity to the turbo and the block...

I'm glad you put the sender in the pan like I did. Now the temps will be the most accurate. With the right trans cooler the temp will never go above 170 degrees even in stop and go traffic.

[Tom03es]

I'm curious to know why "the proper" place to monitor the transmission temp is a sendor in the oil pan. If that is suppose to be representative of the transmission's operating temp, then why am I seeing temps as high as 225*F on the transmission fluid outlet? I need to put a sendor in my drain plug and see how the temps compare. I'll probably keep all the other sendors as well, so I'll have 3 monitoring the fluid out of the transmission, into the transmission and in the pan.

[fLyPiNoY7]

well, the original instructions say to tap a hole into the pan to place the sender, so i would assume thats what its meant to record... plus, from my observations, im thinking that the temps that your seeing coming from the tranny are being affected by engine bay temperature...

[KrayzieFox]

I'm curious to know why "the proper" place to monitor the transmission temp is a sendor in the oil pan. If that is suppose to be representative of the transmission's operating temp, then why am I seeing temps as high as 225*F on the transmission fluid outlet? I need to put a sendor in my drain plug and see how the temps compare. I'll probably keep all the other sendors as well, so I'll have 3 monitoring the fluid out of the transmission, into the transmission and in the pan.

LoL!! Tom you're sick haha!! But, your multiple sensors are definitely good research for the community :)

[Valk]

A little off the current topic but i guess not.
which company is typically prefered for the overhaul kits? I wonder what you get for the extra $1200 by going level10.. their site doesn't outline their product all that well =\.

Boost would be great, but if you can spend $2000-3000 on a tranny and still pop it with a heavy foot feck that.

[KrayzieFox]

It's all about finesse and getting used to boost. If you really love your car, you'll learn how to drive it properly so you don't destroy it.

[Valk]

is there anyway to remap how it will drop gears in full auto mode? I tend to baby it a bit when i want it to shift by letting off untill its done its thing so i would'nt have to change too much. but im afraid that after boost it will wanna drop gears left and right if you get on it too hard.

ah well. ive definitly learned that really getting on it doesnt make it go faster lol. more jerkey yes but...

[KronixKid22]

Ooo, I like this thread! lol :)

[BinoMP5]

we're almost to our 200th post... good job guys... there are lots of auto guys out there still that have a lot of questions...

maybe a "TurboMatic" sticker out there for u boosted guys is in the works hahah

and a "N.A.Matic" perhaps

lol?

[kid prodigy]

question for the turbo autos, did all of you guys go with a FMIC ?

[SIBalla23]

Nope. I went with the turbohoses smic.

[kid prodigy]

so with the smic did you go with the msp radiator and a/c condensor or did you go with a whole new setup ?

[SIBalla23]

Went with the msp radiator and condensor. Got these really cheap on forum.

[kid prodigy]

any problems with switching to the msp radiator and condensor cause i'm going with the smic setup but im not sure if everything will bolt up fine

[SIBalla23]

Just make sure to get the msp radiator brackets, hoses. Also the msp #1cold pipe(its the a/c line from condensor to reciever dryer). Also the msp fans. Had no problems bolting it up to the frame.

[kid prodigy]

hmm ok, i think i'll need to check if i have the radiator brackets and hoses. I think I have all the stock piping and fans, so i'm ok there. thanks

[KrayzieFox]

I went the FMIC route, but kinda wish I just did the MSP SMIC setup instead. FMIC mounting isn't very easy on our bumpers.. especially with the fog lights in the way. And with the SMIC you can make the engine bay look nice and stock. It's just much easier.. that's all. Granted it doesn't really do much actual cooling..

[jeg0024]

Subbin, because I broke my AT... somehow.

[KrayzieFox]

Subbin, because I broke my AT... somehow.

Redline = AT FALE!!

[Tom03es]

I've banged my rev limiter a few times when the triptronic didn't register my shift input.

Jeg, what type of fluid were you running at the time?

[jeg0024]

Oh yeah, I should post what I posted elsewhere here:

Apparently my tourque converter as well as the main drum on the tranny are both shot and there are metal shavings everywhere. So I'm getting charged for both of those, new filter, new seals, new clutch packs.... basically everything new except for the gears themselves, the housing, and the valve body they also said they needed to do something to. Basically it all came down to the fact that a new tranny from Mazda and him re-building mine came out to the same price but if he re-builds it he can give me a lifetime warranty with free service every 12k miles and also install a tranny cooler. So the damage, with 12 hours of labor, is just shy of $3k and I have no choice but to bend over and take it since they already have the work half done.

And I was running whatever fluid I bought at AutoZone.... nothing too fancy. Live and learn I guess, I just hope the car will last me another 8 years and this will be all worth it in the end. Wonder if with this warranty I can turbo the car and not have to worry about messing up the tranny? Should I even ask them that? lol

[Tom03es]

Should I even ask them that? lol

Doesn't hurt to ask.

[jeg0024]

I'm going too, because it would be sweet to be able to turbo my auto and not worry about the tranny!


I think I said that already, im sorry... its too early for me.

[KrayzieFox]

Dude.. that's bullshit. What do you mean you have no choice "since they have half the work done already?!" Did you approve this work to be done? If not, I'd tell them to stop right now, cuz while you're at it you can easily pick up the Lentech 4F27E/FN4A-EL Street Terminator Transmission for $2000.
http://www.lentechautomatics.com/4f27eproducts.html#

I'm just saying, if you have plans of turboing later, now is the PERFECT chance to upgrade the weakest link of our cars.

[Tom03es]

The thread fitting is m14x1.5. Get a fitting like that here:
http://www.egauges.com/vdo_indA.asp?PN=R7963
Get a washer the same size to use. Once that fitting is in the pan where the drain bolt goes, you install the sender into that fitting.

Did you ever have this adapter and sendor in place before you installed your aux cooler?

I'm just about to place my order for the adapter.

[kid prodigy]

Just make sure to get the msp radiator brackets, hoses. Also the msp #1cold pipe(its the a/c line from condensor to reciever dryer). Also the msp fans. Had no problems bolting it up to the frame.

how did you replace the P5 condensor with the MSP condensor? ppl are telling me that the lines won't reach and that I need to do something about it.

[jeg0024]

Dude.. that's bullshit. What do you mean you have no choice "since they have half the work done already?!" Did you approve this work to be done? If not, I'd tell them to stop right now, cuz while you're at it you can easily pick up the Lentech 4F27E/FN4A-EL Street Terminator Transmission for $2000.
http://www.lentechautomatics.com/4f27eproducts.html#

I'm just saying, if you have plans of turboing later, now is the PERFECT chance to upgrade the weakest link of our cars.

I should have rode around on it a little bit longer, ordered that tranny, and just went to the shop for the swap. I need my car back ASAP and the only way to do that is to let them go ahead and repair it. I didn't know it was going to be that much untill just this morning and my car has been gone since Friday morning. I'm just gonna take it in the ass again and make the best of it. If thats possible.

[SIBalla23]

Did you ever have this adapter and sendor in place before you installed your aux cooler?

I'm just about to place my order for the adapter.

Nope. I installed it when I was installing my turbo with trans cooler and other goodies.

[SIBalla23]

how did you replace the P5 condensor with the MSP condensor? ppl are telling me that the lines won't reach and that I need to do something about it.

The ac line on the passenger side(its the one from compressor to condensor) thats bolts up with no problem. As I stated earlier, you need the msp #1cold pipe(its the a/c line from condensor to reciever dryer). Once you buy that ac line, all will bolt up with no problems.

[Scorch03]

I was wondering if you could set up something so that the waste gate opened while you were shifting. I would think it would be easier to set up then the throttle control ideas floating around, maybe uses the shift signal to both tell the tranny to shift and open the waste gate. It would probably be more expensive than upgrading the tranny to take the boost... but still it seems like a cool idea to me.

[Valk]

that would actully be a pretty good idea me thinks. when it tells the tranny to shift, a device intercepts that signal and opens the Gate/BOV for a split second.
might be worth splicing some wires and taking some measurements for.

[jeg0024]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/jeg0024/DSC09094.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/jeg0024/DSC09096.jpg

I need to get a pic of the "new" tranny because for some reason I don't remeber the tranny housing looking like it did. But who knows.

[Scorch03]

ya i dont know how hard that would be to do (obviously too difficult for me) but i would think it would be relatively cheap if someone knew how...

[fLyPiNoY7]

found this it should work for us, I guess basicly it changes the signal to the epc solenoid to increase pressure to firm shifts, I ordered it and will keep u guys updated if it will work for the mazdas.
http://www.escortfocus.com/html/shift_improver.html
The focus trans does have different case but all internals and gears are the same between then, lentech probally has'nt sold enough mazdas to keep cases around, most times you can ship them your trans and they can do a rebuild-turnaround in a few days.

so how did this turn out?

[asmo 03 mp5]

Installed today and it works great, I cant belive haw fast it shifts I had it floored and kept it that way threw all four gears holdn 5psi it shifts way faster than you thought possible. I have converter ,new clutches, @ band also, this helps take advantage of that. modded NA cars would benefit from this too by just shifting way faster than stick shifters could dream.
Did a post about it here http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123722634
Im hoping someone else will buy one too and help get the word out, I will be putting miles on mine in the next few months Ill keep the thread updated. but so far so good.

[LX_StreetGlow]

sub

[bazooka joe]

cool, i'm getting one today!:D

[Tom03es]

cool, i'm getting one today!:D
Joe, do you have the Lentech installed? If so, you gotta let me know how this thing works with the Lentech.

[bazooka joe]

yes i do, and that is why i'm picking it up, gotta see if this adds anything to what the lentech provides, or if this is a good option to the upgraded valve body ($$$$)

[KrayzieFox]

cool, i'm getting one today!:D

Wait.. what are you getting now?

[bazooka joe]

Wait.. what are you getting now?
http://www.escortfocus.com/html/shift_improver.html

[SIBalla23]

Subbing. Would be good to know if this helps the lentech vb even more.

[fLyPiNoY7]

oh damn...definitely keeping an eye on this...

[BinoMP5]

i updated the first post of who are auto and if theyre turbo or na.... either pm me or reply here and tell me what youre running so that people can ask the right people if they have questions on the matter...

[jeg0024]

Im auto NA and krayzieFox is turbo auto if you wanna add those to the list

[KrayzieFox]

i updated the first post of who are auto and if theyre turbo or na.... either pm me or reply here and tell me what youre running so that people can ask the right people if they have questions on the matter...

Im auto NA and krayzieFox is turbo auto if you wanna add those to the list

Yep.. MSP T25 turbo with BEGi RRPFP and Flyin Miata voltage clamp is what I've got. Ask away if you have ANY questions about the setup.

[Dparks7]

I was wondering if you could set up something so that the waste gate opened while you were shifting. I would think it would be easier to set up then the throttle control ideas floating around, maybe uses the shift signal to both tell the tranny to shift and open the waste gate. It would probably be more expensive than upgrading the tranny to take the boost... but still it seems like a cool idea to me.

the wastgate is opened by pressure in the turbo itself so when the psi get to high it makes a fun sound and lets all the are rush out

[fLyPiNoY7]

turboed auto here

[Rockin03mp5]

I just found this!

I is a stock auto.

I do have the tiptronic/manumatic/manual auto mode option though.

I use it all the time.

Auto ftw!

[asmo 03 mp5]

Im a turbo auto btw. msp turbo, fmu, o2 clamp, hopefully afcss soon.
I dont know what the differences are between the improver and a vb upgrade are, hoping some of you might find a way to compare maybe one of you guys with the vb upgrade buy one for your neighbors protege and compare. Ive never rode in a vb car so I dont know if the shifts are as fast or what, but the improver is way better than stock and tuneable + pretty inexpensive.

[SIBalla23]

Automatic turbo here. All mods are in my sig. Add me to list.

[BinoMP5]

i'm updating as soon as i hear from you guys...

question: if i'm coming from a dead stop... i press on the gas and then it bogs down then goes up... the whole car jerks... is this a transmission issue? i'll try and take vids of it or something... and my brother said he may have heard some ticking in the engine bay..... (o.0) i havent replaced the transmission fluid either... and im at ~80k mi

[Valk]

well. i sorta asked this but after a little more research, ill revise my queston:

Which company provides the better Rebuild kit between lentech or level 10?
Ive tried searching around but haven't found much information about it.

Great to hear the shift improver works =) you should post a how to on installing it.

[KrayzieFox]

i'm updating as soon as i hear from you guys...

question: if i'm coming from a dead stop... i press on the gas and then it bogs down then goes up... the whole car jerks... is this a transmission issue? i'll try and take vids of it or something... and my brother said he may have heard some ticking in the engine bay..... (o.0) i havent replaced the transmission fluid either... and im at ~80k mi

You should definitely do that.. ASAP!! Take it to a shop and have them hook it up to a vacuum so they clean it out real good, then dump out their cheap-o fluid and get yourself some synthetic. Make sure it's M-V fluid (I've been using Mobil1) and you should be good for a while.

It doesn't sound like a tranny issue, but if you've never changed your fluid at 85K miles then it's definitely time for it.

[Tom03es]

i havent replaced the transmission fluid either... and im at ~80k mi

You're only about 20,000 miles overdue for your second fluid change.......

[Tom03es]

List of us Auto Guys:

NA:

BinoMP5
fishdontbounce
Tom03es - Lentech VB upgrade and Hayden aux fluid cooler
Kura808
jeg0024

Turbo:

bazooka_joe
KrayzieFox
fLiPiNoY7
asmo_03_mp5
SIBaller23

Perhaps this list would be better if we listed our transmission upgrades as well our induction type. I figure the rest of the bolt ons don't really matter for this discussion, but at least we can have a list of who has what regarding the transmission.

[sanblaster]

sanblaster1: engine mods k&n air filter, front strut tower bar....

lord zath is another auto P5 dude.

[fLyPiNoY7]

well. i sorta asked this but after a little more research, ill revise my queston:

Which company provides the better Rebuild kit between lentech or level 10?
Ive tried searching around but haven't found much information about it.

Great to hear the shift improver works =) you should post a how to on installing it.

from what i previously heard, lentech just has better products and service overall...but ive been hearing that alto makes a pretty good rebuild kit as well...

bino, should be "fLyPiNoY7" not "fLiPiNoY7"...haha

[Crazee D]

GB on shift box??

[KrayzieFox]

GB on valve body?

[jeg0024]

Perhaps this list would be better if we listed our transmission upgrades as well our induction type. I figure the rest of the bolt ons don't really matter for this discussion, but at least we can have a list of who has what regarding the transmission.

Yeah, I haz Hayden ATF cooler :)

[Valk]

GB on either yes please!
still curious to see if both can be used together for a positive benefit.

This thread has actually got me pretty excited at the prospect of upgrading these trannies. not gonna lie, been looking on and off for the last few months to find a good manual p5 to trade for, but this thread and some other ones kicking here are starting to make me forget about all that and start researching tranny build options =)

http://www.familycar.com/transmission.htm

http://www.autotransonline.ro/cataloage/AMERICANE/FORD/4f27e.pdf

this link contains a pretty good introduction to how automatics work for those *me* who dont know a lot about them.
second link a view of how parts go together.

I wonder if there are any additional parts you can get for the street terminator package to take it beyond 300whp. which is again why im curious how the lentech and level 10 packages compare.

I think ill spring for one of those shift improver's pretty soon. might be a while before i can afford my VB, and my poor tranny has started to slip on rare occasion going from 2nd to 3rd.


oh, some other questions..
for those of us who dont have the tiptronic, are there options to prevent the transmission from downshifting? and I know it has been discussed on this forum somewhere, but is it possible to add tiptronic functionality.
arent they physically the same unit?
forgive the noobness. I am one. learning a lot though. daily almost heh.

[asmo 03 mp5]

Id say lentech becouse level10 is hard to contact, made a few calls and never got a hold of them.
trying to get my camera working then Ill post up how to on it.

[BinoMP5]

perhaps a video of the improved shifts also?

[Tom03es]

I got some video of my gauge cluster before my VB install. I haven't gone out to refilm since the install. I'm not sure if you could really see anything from the video anyway. It's more of a feel thing.

[bazooka joe]

question for the turbo autos, did all of you guys go with a FMIC ?
yes

i can't speak of the Level 10 products, but the Lentech VB upgrade was worth it for me, great service, spoke with Len several times...good folks those canadians!(canada)

again, if i'm drving a bit more agressively (having some fun, not commuting to work) i shift the car manually for the much needed torque/revs fun factor...i try not boosting until i reach 3k rpms, so in an auto in D, that's tough because the tranny is always looking to get into that next highest gear.

[Scorch03]

About what Valk said ( i wont qoute because he wrote like a page) I would be very interested in something to keep the tranny from downshifting when you just stomp it going slow, because i do it probably every 2nd day and i really dont need it downshifting and tearing itself apart.

[Tom03es]

I thought Lentech had a manual controller- their site is blocked at work so I can't provide a link.

[fLyPiNoY7]

so if im getting this right, is this the part list for upgrading the tranny?
#133750ahppwr - alto clutch and steel upgrade kit
#48002A - transtar overhaul kit - includes gaskets, rings, seals, pistons
#48011AF - transtar filter kit
#m-7902-fr - ford racing input shaft and torque converter (thats what was listed on the ford racing site)
#48022A - transtar overdrive band

[bazooka joe]

I thought Lentech had a manual controller- their site is blocked at work so I can't provide a link.
ya, i inquired about that, they don't make or sell it anylonger...(shrug)

[bazooka joe]

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[xDJ DUBx]

Whoa, I wish I would of seen this thread earlyer!

I never knew you could upgrade an auto trans! Shit, I would of put all my money into the motor :(

[Crazee D]

I wrote them an email to see if they would give a discount for a group buy.

[SIBalla23]

Years ago everyone said you cannot boost an automatic protege, well now there are a few of us including myself who are really pushing some nice power out of these cars and are holding up once you build up the trans. I give a big (2thumbs) for everyone who is trying no matter what it takes.

[SIBalla23]

Bazooka, please keep everyone informed on how this controller works out with the lentch vb. If all is good, I may even get one too.

[bazooka joe]

Bazooka, please keep everyone informed on how this controller works out with the lentch vb. If all is good, I may even get one too.
will do!(thumb)

[BinoMP5]

i'm getting one as soon as i sell these springsss... and HiDs.. if i cant fit them on my car..

[Scorch03]

so if im getting this right, is this the part list for upgrading the tranny?
#133750ahppwr - alto clutch and steel upgrade kit
#48002A - transtar overhaul kit - includes gaskets, rings, seals, pistons
#48011AF - transtar filter kit
#m-7902-fr - ford racing input shaft and torque converter (thats what was listed on the ford racing site)
#48022A - transtar overdrive band

Might want to add the Valve Body, thats the only thing i dont see there.