Dilemma! Mazda VS Volkswagen

[sumguy44]

Ok so right now i have a 99 protege, im selling it to a lady
Im stuck between getting a newer protege or a volkswagen jetta
The jetta is a turbo but the protege isnt
Anyone know anything about jettas are they better than proteges?

by the way im looking at a 01-03 protege es

[justanothermp5]

go with the jetta if you want to have tons more aftermarket support
they have bolt on kits that give you more horsepower then the protege can ever have
looks are about a tie, handling....idk ive never driven a jetta lol

if you want a a daily driver with mods then get the protege
if u want a modded car as a daily driver get the jetta,

if that makes sense lol

[sumguy44]

Yeah i would get the jetta any day but i hear they have bad electrical problems which was my only concern

[jred321]

what year jetta? the 1.8T is an infinitely better engine than the FS but jettas are known for electrical problems, certain years being worse than others.

[sumguy44]

either a 00 or a 99 jetta

[jred321]

i'd definitely ask if there has been any history of electrical problems and make sure you play with every single accessory to make sure it functions correctly. that wasn't exactly a good era for VW

[sumguy44]

yeah i mean i love the design of the protege for 01-03 its a major step up from my 99
I mean im not a street racer i just want a nice car

[jred321]

the jetta will feel nicer than the protege will. it'll have a nicer interior, the materials will feel of better quality, and the door will have a much more solid thud than the protege. the big drawback will be its electrical gremlins

[sumguy44]

and thats a huge reason why i really dont want to get the jetta because of those electrical problems

[CantCMe]

Plus the Jetta is more expensive to maintain. They are fun to drive and they handle great, but the maintenance is a killa.

[killermatt]

i go with the protege,
1. i beat one in a street race (im 100% stock :D) and him idk?
2. they have extreem turbo lag, my dad has a passat and its serious lag
3. just Mazda > VW

[sumguy44]

lol i like it
MAZDA > VW

[NCZ13]

get the jetta honestly. The jetta would probably be easier to mod and upgrade for better power than the protege

the protege looks better... and could possibly handle better as well.

[MAZDA_SPEED]

jetta! get the 2002+ they have a k03s and they push 180hp, chip it and youll have 200hp with 250TQ. performance wise jetta wins, but only if you get the turbo. if your really getting a 00 then i dont think the jetta came with a 1.8T, only a 2.slow and a vr6..atleast get a 01+, they came with a 1.8T but only 150hp.

[neox.286]

what is your price range?

I wouldnt get either of these choices, but if I had to choose Id choose the volkswagen over the jetta

even though I suck badly at electrical work, Id rather have electrical problems that blown motor problems after I mod the car (if you want to go with a decent turbo that is)

[Ryoga28]

Got rid of y 2003 GTI after 6 months of transmission problems (replaced with twice with refurb, dealership also lied about voiding my warranty etc) for a MSP

[jred321]

what is your price range?

I wouldnt get either of these choices, but if I had to choose Id choose the volkswagen over the jetta

even though I suck badly at electrical work, Id rather have electrical problems that blown motor problems after I mod the car (if you want to go with a decent turbo that is)

electric problems on a car are a nightmare. There are so many things that can be wrong and its really tough to find the exact cause so it does up being a lot of guess work. Ill take a weaker engine in a dd than having my windshield wipers go on every time i roll down my windows

[MAZDA_SPEED]

electric problems on a car are a nightmare. There are so many things that can be wrong and its really tough to find the exact cause so it does up being a lot of guess work. Ill take a weaker engine in a dd than having my windshield wipers go on every time i roll down my windows

yo, just because vw made some lemons does not mean all of their products will be lemons..i have owned 2 mk4 jetta and 2 mk4 golfs. never a single problem..and plus we have vag-com scanning tool, it will tell you if a speaker is unplugged, vag com will tell you just about anything you would like to know....so umm... its really a myth at most..(bang)
sureeee....be happy with a blown motor, wires are much easier to fix(whip)

[neox.286]

agreed

while I am stronger suited to fixing the blown motor, I would still rather fix wires than that...and it costs much less

plus with wires you can generally trace where each wire goes to find the issue

then again, I'm also bashing to the extreme on the pro, if you dont plan to boost it then it is great

but at the same time, I dont consider a pro to be luxury (nor the jetta) but out of the two the jetta is much nicer

[MAZDA_SPEED]

plus why put money in a motor just to blow it, put the same money in a 1.8T and get over 300whp or 700whp
vw has stronger motors and trans no question about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxARDP1XX_g

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3945260

mazdas are nice, but they are really limited. like the transmission give out around 280whp, and the block also. so its 280whp or 300+ with less money

[neox.286]

yup

unless you build up the pro motor =P

[MAZDA_SPEED]

yup

unless you build up the pro motor =P
vw 1.8T build (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrBc1nboc30&feature=user)
yeah, true. (burnout) go here and check out this sweet GLI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGZe5Pggv5c&feature=related)

but i feel bad for this guy, he pulled out of the driveway today and a rod desided to pull out of his motor! that will never happen with a stock 1.8T, youll be safer buying and modding a jetta

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123710103

[sumguy44]

jetta! get the 2002+ they have a k03s and they push 180hp, chip it and youll have 200hp with 250TQ. performance wise jetta wins, but only if you get the turbo. if your really getting a 00 then i dont think the jetta came with a 1.8T, only a 2.slow and a vr6..atleast get a 01+, they came with a 1.8T but only 150hp.

The 2000 jetta comes with the 1.8 turbo which is the one i was considering but my friend who owned a 98 couldnt even start his car after a while, the ac broke, windows busted it fell right in and had a whole load of electrical problems. Im not modding the motor but if i did get a jetta i would get the turbo

[Diehonda]

either a 00 or a 99 jetta


NO!

MKIV 1.8T from the very early model MKIV.

Electrical issues, catalytic convertor hates life, known for burning over 1 qt oil per 1000 miles, premature rear brake wear(and a funky caliper design to boot, special tool required), CEL will be on like a bad habit for any kind of crazy stuff. You have to scan it with a Vag-com vs. a OBDII because of the detail in the codes.

I sold my 1.8 for my P5.

Walk away man, just walk away.

It was fun to drive, monsoon sound system was nice, cleaned up really well, had plenty of aftermarket parts for it. But still.....

[Diehonda]

The 2000 jetta comes with the 1.8 turbo which is the one i was considering but my friend who owned a 98 couldnt even start his car after a while, the ac broke, windows busted it fell right in and had a whole load of electrical problems. Im not modding the motor but if i did get a jetta i would get the turbo


Window regulator failure FTL! At least 150 to fix it, then you can worry about the other three.

MKIII and MKIV have this issue.

[MAZDA_SPEED]

The 2000 jetta comes with the 1.8 turbo which is the one i was considering but my friend who owned a 98 couldnt even start his car after a while, the ac broke, windows busted it fell right in and had a whole load of electrical problems. Im not modding the motor but if i did get a jetta i would get the turbo

yup yup, i thought they only came out with them on 01 nvm then.

[CivicKilla]

I cant really believe that this is even being debated!!! First off, if your gonna compare a 1.8t Jetta to anything, it should be a car in the same class. How bout the '03 MSP. you cant really compare the turbocharged jetta to a non turbochaged ES.

Secondly if you are going to compare the MSP to the 1.8t Jetta you in a better position with the Protege. Not only in regard to looks but also reliablity, MPG's, Handling and an overall better car. I have a mod-ed ES and I spank the hell out of my best friends mod-ed Audi A4.

Both cars for the most part have short comings in the same areas... both have trash stock ECU's get over that hurdle and then you have a competition with the Protege edging out the WHACK ASS chick CAR OF A JETTA!!!

[neox.286]

I cant really believe that this is even being debated!!! First off, if your gonna compare a 1.8t Jetta to anything, it should be a car in the same class. How bout the '03 MSP. you cant really compare the turbocharged jetta to a non turbochaged ES.

Secondly if you are going to compare the MSP to the 1.8t Jetta you in a better position with the Protege. Not only in regard to looks but also reliablity, MPG's, Handling and an overall better car. I have a mod-ed ES and I spank the hell out of my best friends mod-ed Audi A4.

Both cars for the most part have short comings in the same areas... both have trash stock ECU's get over that hurdle and then you have a competition with the Protege edging out the WHACK ASS chick CAR OF A JETTA!!!

rofl, my msp has been down from parts failing for over 60% of the time I have owned it...nearly every single msp has or will break their lsd....the rods go out, even when stock...the tune is shitty...the wastegate goes out

the msp is far from reliable, but if you have the ability to fix these things then I would root for it over the jetta

just know what you are getting into with both cars, the msp isn't that glorious of a car and doesnt really outrun many other cars out there (Ive personally not had much luck from a roll or a dig when racing other cars, except for when I was heavily modified)...its actually quite a dissappointment power wise....however, handling wise it goes unchallenged against many cars, some 2-3 times the cost of it

[jred321]

good thing he's not considering the MSP then

[MAZDA_SPEED]

reliability...no..mazdaspeed protege is not reliable...sorry...maybe if you take off the turbo..then yes..otherwise...no....maybe your new here, or you havent read this forum Owner's Guide: Mazdaspeed Protege Problems & Solution

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50549

the protege has so many problems, its not even funny, and vw electric, is minor, do some research..easy fix compared to changing a lsd or manifold..sorry bud..

like i said, a 1.8T wont break unless you go over 300hp..your all good...

[MAZDA_SPEED]

I cant really believe that this is even being debated!!! First off, if your gonna compare a 1.8t Jetta to anything, it should be a car in the same class. How bout the '03 MSP. you cant really compare the turbocharged jetta to a non turbochaged ES.

Secondly if you are going to compare the MSP to the 1.8t Jetta you in a better position with the Protege. Not only in regard to looks but also reliablity, MPG's, Handling and an overall better car. I have a mod-ed ES and I spank the hell out of my best friends mod-ed Audi A4.

Both cars for the most part have short comings in the same areas... both have trash stock ECU's get over that hurdle and then you have a competition with the Protege edging out the WHACK ASS chick CAR OF A JETTA!!!

sureee......is this you??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asw_cCMJKxg

[MAZDA_SPEED]

i dont want to be labeled a fanboy, im not, i own both car. and the jetta has its share of problems too..

the only problems i would watch out with the jetta are : MAF, timing belt and water pump, coilpack. ETC......
but the timing belt change for mazda is also 80K miles...and the maf also goes bad on a msp..and the coilpack, we vw fucked up there, but people are always parting out vw's on vortex, and they are pretty cheap..

[marashka]

I would advice to go with a protégé not just because you are on Mazda forum. In my family we had 1998 vr6 jetta, 1999 2.slow jetta, 2003 GLI and 2006 passat 2.0t. While I absolutely love vw interior, low end torque and drivability, the only way I will ever have another vw is a lease while under factory warranty. Maintenance costs are insane for a budget car, and electrical problems are far too common. I had them on my brand new 06 passat within first few month of owning. 2003 gli had to get towed to the dealer twice in the first 6 months for failing ecu. Older jettas are prone to have power windows fail among numerous other electrical problems. Its ok if you can go to the junk yard, get the part, and do the job yourself, but if not, you are stuck paying 150-200 bux each time.
Also owning my 5th Mazda now, I can tell you that I have greater luck with reliability than any other brand, but that's just my experience.

[jred321]

by the way im looking at a 01-03 protege es


reliability...no..mazdaspeed protege is not reliable...sorry...maybe if you take off the turbo..then yes..otherwise...no....maybe your new here, or you havent read this forum Owner's Guide: Mazdaspeed Protege Problems & Solution

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50549

the protege has so many problems, its not even funny,
here this may clarify things. we're in the 3rd gen section, he said he's looking at an ES, and he has not mentioned modding just wanting a nice car. no talk of an MSP from the OP so its issues and reliability track record don't belong in this thread. a protege es will be more reliable than a 99-00 1.8T jetta

[neox.286]

we were not talking to the original poster, we were talking to the guy saying he should get a msp and then referencing to his turbo protege es

it was a side tangent, yes
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however, I still also stand by my earlier saying that his budgets gotta be able to include more than just those two cars....I wouldn't get either, just because the pro is extremely slow and the jetta has electrical problems....theres more than those two cars out there in which you can get a LOT more bang for your buck even if you are on a budget

[sumguy44]

lol wow too much talk about random things here
Some guy around me is considering selling his MP3, only thing coming close to a mazdaspeed protege
But for now its still between the 01-03 mazda protege es, maybe a MP3, and the jetta

[sumguy44]

we were not talking to the original poster, we were talking to the guy saying he should get a msp and then referencing to his turbo protege es

it was a side tangent, yes
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however, I still also stand by my earlier saying that his budgets gotta be able to include more than just those two cars....I wouldn't get either, just because the pro is extremely slow and the jetta has electrical problems....theres more than those two cars out there in which you can get a LOT more bang for your buck even if you are on a budget

suggestions please

[neox.286]

the suggestions would depend on your budget

how much are you looking to spend and where are you located?

autotrader.com, cars.com, craigslist.com, etc... are a few good sites to look around in

I personally dont like hondas, but they are really reliable cars at a great price...toyotas, nissans (maybe find a nice 240 to do some mods to?)...if your price range is a little higher then you could look into finding a rx-7 FC, or finding something along those lines

I have a friend who just bought a 93 BMW 325i for under 3 grand, in pretty damn good condition too

theres a lot more out there than jettas and proteges ;-)

but if you found an mp3 Id HIGHLY recommend that....handles like a DREAM, doesn't have the reliability problems of the msp, however the tradeoff is it isn't as powerfull as the msp....however, it is much peppier than the regular protege due to a much better tuned ECU

dont make the mistake a LOT of people do by setting their mind on a particular car and then winding up getting thrown into it only to find out that it probably wasn't a good buy after you have already bought it for one reason or another....even I made that mistake...dont get me wrong, I <3 my msp, however I picked it up purely because it was more affordable than the speed3 and the color sold me on the spot, then I found out a couple days later about all of its reliability issues and have been paying the price ever since (over 10k into it now)....a little research never hurts, youd be QUITE surprised at some of the great deals you can find on cars...for example, there was an 03 evo 8 with some nicely done mods selling locally to me not too long ago for $12,500 with only 30k miles

[sumguy44]

yeah but my budjet is kinda low
However I just like the look and feel of volkswagens better than my protege currently
Im seeing the MP3 tomorrow, he said one of the engine mounts needs to be replaced tho

[killermatt]

lol (thinks to slef, im posting to much in the past 10 minutes) but really dude its your finial verdic, i mean.. my dad has a passat, i love the thing nice interior fun to drive its just a badge to me really, even tho its about jettas (never drove one so cant tell you) but my 03 lx is my first car so of course im going to love the thin to death (untill it starts acting up like tonight >:[ ) but dude it depends on your preference.
1. VW is a good company just like mazda
2. it depends what your looking for in the car.. speed? luxury? or just economic.
i dont care to much for VW mainly because i wrecked my dads :o haha (some one side swiped me and ran...)
But just look at the long run :]

[sumguy44]

Yeah true
well im gonna keep on looking
i think im swinging more towards the BMW/VW after looking into the late 90's model BMWs

[neox.286]

exactally, I'm not bashing on mazda...I love mazdas...but theres a lot more out there than just mazdas and vw

[RallyeRedSi]

(dunno) get a honda, some of the best cars I've ever driven :)

[killermatt]

*hisses* i hate hondas for one reason.. well 2 really. 1 my step mom owns a minivan XD and my bros getting 96 civic i think? and because mazda > honda :P
but there nice cars imo i like the new accord tail lights (led) and the interior. but to be dead on... my all out fav car is the Ferrari F430 F1 Spider now how many 17 year olds can claim they have drivin one weakly to DQ and gets every hot chicks number XD but i think you should go with Mitsubishi

[MAZDA_SPEED]

exactally, I'm not bashing on mazda...I love mazdas...but theres a lot more out there than just mazdas and vw

+1(rockon)




*hisses* i hate hondas for one reason.. well 2 really. 1 my step mom owns a minivan XD and my bros getting 96 civic i think? and because mazda > honda :P
but there nice cars imo i like the new accord tail lights (led) and the interior. but to be dead on... my all out fav car is the Ferrari F430 F1 Spider now how many 17 year olds can claim they have drivin one weakly to DQ and gets every hot chicks number XD but i think you should go with Mitsubishi


haha, honda hater. classic




(dunno) get a honda, some of the best cars I've ever driven :)

yes yes, i like your sig picture..

[RallyeRedSi]

*hisses* i hate hondas for one reason.. well 2 really. 1 my step mom owns a minivan XD and my bros getting 96 civic i think? and because mazda > honda :P
but there nice cars imo i like the new accord tail lights (led) and the interior. but to be dead on... my all out fav car is the Ferrari F430 F1 Spider now how many 17 year olds can claim they have drivin one weakly to DQ and gets every hot chicks number XD but i think you should go with Mitsubishi

Well to me Honda > Mazda. I dislike Mazda because my car would always break down on me and the dealership service departments sucks ass. My RSX and Integra never failed me and I'm sure my civic won't as well.

Honda makes some of the best clutches and shifters I've driven, I'm in love with the close ratio 6 speed in my civic, and the ride is smooth as hell, i just need to get this break in period over with, i still haven't gone into vtec yet.

[RallyeRedSi]

+1(rockon)




yes yes, i like your sig picture..


Thanks

[neox.286]

Well to me Honda > Mazda. I dislike Mazda because my car would always break down on me and the dealership service departments sucks ass. My RSX and Integra never failed me and I'm sure my civic won't as well.

Honda makes some of the best clutches and shifters I've driven, I'm in love with the close ratio 6 speed in my civic, and the ride is smooth as hell, i just need to get this break in period over with, i still haven't gone into vtec yet.

agree with you on the first point, but the second paragraph...LOL, I cant stand the k20 shifter, its absolutely horrible...and the clutch is complete crap from the factory

[RallyeRedSi]

agree with you on the first point, but the second paragraph...LOL, I cant stand the k20 shifter, its absolutely horrible...and the clutch is complete crap from the factory

To me its butter, clutch is light the shifting is smooth and not notchy.

[neox.286]

I thought it was quite the opposite, shifting is really notchy...and you can't rush shifting, you have to wait a long time for the synchro to spin up if you are racing it and so you wind up missing second and third in the process...

my bro has a k20 type-s swapped EMII, and Ive driven it a lot and I can honestly say that the msp shifter is 1000x better and easier to shift

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[i12drivemyMP5]

I wouldnt get either of these choices, but if I had to choose Id choose the volkswagen over the jetta Not sure where you're going with this.......(confused)

[neox.286]

LOL

whoops, meant volkswagen over the protege
it was too early in the morning lol

[MAZDA_SPEED]

vw use's cables not rods for there shifters, so if you think a mazda shifts nice, wait until you drive a vw, you can shift with your pinky ;)

[CivicKilla]

My question is... who here isnt interested in moding their car. That's how I found this website. And nah I'm not new here... But the one of the first things that I changed after I went turbo was my Rods, Head Studs, and ECU to an EMS. All the things named that go first on the MSP are the same things that are usually mod-ed out. But i guess I just must be way off. Maybe I've done a better job with my car than I thought. Are there a lot of you MSP drivers out there gettin' your asses handed to you by chicks in Jettas?!

But you guys are right abut one thing... he did never mention gettin' an MSP. If I were you, and I was gonna keep either car fairly stock and you want an all around good car, look in a different direction. Neither car is gonna give you everything you might want in a stock package.

[jred321]

i enjoy modding cars and am on many car websites. however there's no way i would mod my daily driver to the extent you have and i'm sure many people, particularly on this site since fwd mazdas aren't exactly prominent in the modified car segment, feel the same way and are just looking for bolt ons at most. the cat back you installed over the weekend doesn't fit quite right, no big deal you can still make it to work on monday. the piston ring in the built engine you put in over the weekend doesn't seal right and by friday you may be bussing it to work

[sumguy44]

AHH !
So after all this bullshit with me having to pay for my own car my parents got me a fucking brand new Volkswagen R32!!! as early graduation presents haha!
Ahh shit my protege is in the dumps now :D
but thanks for suggestions

[neox.286]

nice congratulations!

[CantCMe]

Great news man...have fun with the new ride!!

[Bartron8000]

Like everyone else said go for a 1.8t, trust me you can easly fix the turbo lag. Back in high school I knew a lot of people with pretty quick Jetta's. But be very careful with 99-00, as stated before make you know of any electrical issues. Those two years were notorious for expensive electrical issues. Oh and get ready for a lot of bullshit plastic covering almost everything.

Protege, it would be a lot cheaper to maintain, and a whole lot easier to work on. There power is down but it will get a lot better MPG. Honestly I don't know much in terms of problems with them either.

I would go with the Jetta if you want something fast and Mod-able, and I would go with the Protege if you just want a nicer DD.

[Former Jetta]

Stay away from Jettas is all I can say.. I have owned 2 of them and swore I would NEVER own another one...... Had mechanics fly in from Germany to look at mine and even they couldn't fix it... Electrical problems are a given in almost ANY Jetta.... Both of mine were in the shop far more then out in the street being driven... Just when you think you might have one problem fixed, something else will pop up.. In the 4 yrs that I have owned my last Jetta I had put in over 11 Thousand dollars to have it repaired for everything that went wrong... Extended warranty companies are not the answer, as I had one and was told that almost NOTHING was covered on it..... VW's rep has been ruined far to the point of ever going to be able to bounce back.... They have NOT made a reliable car since the late 70's Early 80's I got rid of mine for a 2008.5 Mazda 3 and it has been the BEST move I have ever made

[MAZDA_SPEED]

Stay away from Jettas is all I can say.. I have owned 2 of them and swore I would NEVER own another one...... Had mechanics fly in from Germany to look at mine and even they couldn't fix it... Electrical problems are a given in almost ANY Jetta.... Both of mine were in the shop far more then out in the street being driven... Just when you think you might have one problem fixed, something else will pop up.. In the 4 yrs that I have owned my last Jetta I had put in over 11 Thousand dollars to have it repaired for everything that went wrong... Extended warranty companies are not the answer, as I had one and was told that almost NOTHING was covered on it..... VW's rep has been ruined far to the point of ever going to be able to bounce back.... They have NOT made a reliable car since the late 70's Early 80's I got rid of mine for a 2008.5 Mazda 3 and it has been the BEST move I have ever made

ok........right..someone flew in to fix a car...:bs:....ive owned/ own 6 mk4 golfs and jetta and none have had or will have electrical problems...get a life bro.....its a very very low percentage of vw have electrical problems..i mean very low...this guy is full of crap...(blarf)

[Dparks7]

if you wind up getting the jetta make sure you get a stick not the tiptronic. i have both cars sitting in my driveway and i bought the protege and my bro is a freshmen in college and he bought the jetta, ya the jetta is faster but he spent 5k more than me and his tiptronic has no control what so ever. i have an 03 es and the tiptronic is very controable, my bro cant engine brake cuz the car just up shifts and the protege comes with better suspension

[mgrinshpon]

Im stuck between getting a newer protege or a volkswagen jetta
Stop right there. First thing is not to select a car, but to select a price range. Pick a number that's financially acceptable to you and don't ever go above that number because that's all you can afford to spend. Provided these are cars within your price range, look at competing manufacturers' vehicles as well. Let's say that price limit is 5000 dollars, since that's about what Protege ES's are going for on Craigslist. For 5000 dollars, a few competing vehicles are 2002-2003 Dodge Neon ACR's (non-turbo, not SRT-4's with ACR performance package), Mitsubishi Lancers before the 2003 model year, Contour SVT, Focus SVT, Escort SVT, various Civics, VW Golfs of varying model years, Nissan 240SX, the occasional MR2 (if you don't mind a late 80's early 90's vehicle) and many others. Remember, run the VIN before considering a purchase, check the reciepts from service done on the vehicle so you can see what was replaced and what wasn't, and what problems are recurring and what you may be inheriting. Don't lock yourself into a vehicle choice because it limits options and exacerbates the situation. Flexability is important, and all of the cars just previously listed get good fuel economy, have adequate performance at least on par with your Protege ES choice (with the Contour having the largest engine of the group save that very rare MR2 going for cheap and the ACR probably having the best suspension of the group).


The jetta is a turbo but the protege isnt
Anyone know anything about jettas are they better than proteges?

by the way im looking at a 01-03 protege es
Jettas are relatively reliable. The horror stories are far and few between. I know 5 people off the top of my head with Jettas of varying model years with no problems, electrical or otherwise. They are also faster but have more expensive parts.

[edumspeed]

AHH !
So after all this bullshit with me having to pay for my own car my parents got me a fucking brand new Volkswagen R32!!! as early graduation presents haha!
Ahh shit my protege is in the dumps now :D
but thanks for suggestions

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