Best HP Gains not including Turbo?

[Thisguyruns]

Just got my pro5 in Jan and I'm trying to spice it up. (flame2) No serious mods yet, just really trying to get an extra 20-30 horses. Any ideas for the best mods to get me there? PS I have been lurking around and decided to finally post. (peep)

[mx-p5]

20-30 horses is turbo

You're lucky to get 10-15 from bolt on mods.

MP3 ECU, intake, header, highflow midpipe, and catback exhaust will net you your 10-15

Anymore than that is going to require serious mods.

[Flash5]

20whp is possible N/A but itll cost a decent amount, i think what Pro5x2 said is the basics and itll get u close to 20 but not there (plus that will all cost u over $1,000 easy unless u shop carefully). Look here for a few more costly and extensive things that you can do:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/index.php?cPath=21_31

[A louie]

mp3 ecu is about 5-10 hp, header and exhaust can get you another 5-15 (depending on setup) and I think full pullies can get you around 15 more hp.

P & P and remove vtcs manifold, light weight fly wheel, etc can also get you some more.

Intake will give you about 1hp lol

The best and cheapest route for power is to just go turbo.

[808MP5]

^agreed

[Thisguyruns]

I have been reading the threads on turboed pro5s and there seems to be problems popping up. Thanks for the input, I guess i will just save up for a faster toy. I cant afford to blow an engine by adding a turbo.

[ProtoType5]

Adding a turbo won't blow your engine.....Too much boost will blow your engine....

Many people have run aftermarket turbo set-ups for thousands of miles with no problem....

[neox.286]

lol, no one is mentioning cams?

look at the japanese mazdaspeed protege, it achieved horsepower numbers around that of the msp without going turbo....you wont get those numbers with cams alone, but cams are a big factor in that

on the more costly side of the jdm msp there were high compression pistons as well

[mx-p5]

He said no serious mods, and i consider cams to be pretty serious

[Thisguyruns]

I said I hadnt done any serious mods as of yet. How are cams harder than adding a turbo setup? Gotta look into cams now any recommendations? cost? What kind of turbos do yall run? seems like there have been some problems with not getting what you pay for.

[neox.286]

cams are not that difficult to install, the hardest part is getting to the tensioner

luckily the tensioner in our cars is sping loaded, it just takes a bit of fancy manuevering to get to it and push on it

as for the turbo not getting what you pay for, thats not true
the stock wheel horsepower rating that most p5s put out is 98 whp, yes 98
when you jump to a stock turbo setup, with all stock piping...everything...you are looking to push around 140 whp

it may not seem like much, but for a car that puts out 98whp stock that is quite a jump from one mod alone

if you throw on turboback exhaust, hardpipes, and at least an upgraded sidemount (which in total naturally puts the car to about 8-9 psi, which is still safe on the stock motor) you will be seeing around 160-170 to the wheels

with the above setup on a tune and running the car at 10 psi (9 is what I would recommend, but plenty run 10 just fine) my last dyno had been 200 wheel torque and 185 wheel horsepower

if you plan for a certain hp range and stick to it, you will probably spend around 2000 to completely go turbo, for gains close to the 80hp range...if you just go with a stock turbo setup you wont get that much gain, but if you buy it and plan to run aftermarket parts from the moment you buy it you will cut a lot of losses and see pretty damn decent gains

as for cams:
the jdm cams are nice, however they are extremely hard to find...theres a few for sale on the forums right now, but thats a very rare sight...youll see gains of around 10-20 hp from cams, I think the last I heard the jdms put you at around 16 hp...twiggy sticks cams are very very nice, but they are impossible to find, even worse than the jdms....protege garage also sells integral cams, which I highly recommend, but they are costly

[mp3-79bronco]

do you have to tune anything after cams? or do you just drop them in and go?

also do they affect mpg?

[neox.286]

I cannot say for certain about the gas mileage

but as for tuning, to my knowledge you do not need to tune them...however, you may need to adjust the timing to a certain degree to get them to work with a turbocharged application....but to my knowledge you do not have to for N/A

[mx-p5]

I think it's pretty safe to say that if you increase your HP and performance of a car, mpg's go down because it's hard to stay off the pedal on the right.

If you want a 40hp gain, go with a stock MSP setup and you'll be happy. And, you can always add more mods later,(hot pipes, intake, upgraded side mount intercooler, turbo-back exhaust)

[Thisguyruns]

I meant the parts not ever being shipped to you when I said not getting what you pay for. I read that a couple of people had been waiting like 6 months and still didnt have their turbo setup. If you can manage to stay off the pedal on the right shouldnt you experience better mpg on a turbo setup?

[mx-p5]

As to wait times, it depends on what setup you want to go with. If you want a hi-boost setup, yeah, be ready to wait. But you can piece together a stock MSP setup from guys on here that have upgraded and sell off their stock parts.

And,since i am not turbo, i can't say for sure about mileage. I know mine would go down cause i wouldn't be able to stay out of the boost. lol

[gottacatchup]

I meant the parts not ever being shipped to you when I said not getting what you pay for. I read that a couple of people had been waiting like 6 months and still didnt have their turbo setup. If you can manage to stay off the pedal on the right shouldnt you experience better mpg on a turbo setup?

Its possible that you might if you spend alot of time setting up fuel maps and never go into boost. However mpg you MIGHT gain, and I'm willing you guaranty you won't see any, will be offset by the fact that you're buying premium now.

If you really want to get 20-30 more N/A whp its gonna take a good amount of work and probably the same cost as a turbo. I would recommend doing what you said early and just get another toy when you can afford it.

[mx-p5]

If i could take the heat, i'd get another street bike. Even my 1991 Honda CBR F2 was a rocket. No, can't compete with todays newer bikes, but it leaves teh Pro5 like it is standing still. Can pick one up for $2000 or less. Then you have the Pro5 reliable, and a bike for your speed needs

[Thisguyruns]

Thanks for the help. Looks like a slower p5 will have to do for now.

[mx-p5]

Something you could also do is rather than try to make it straight line fast, make it handle even better in the corners.

Is your Pro5 daily driver? And you're just wanting more pep out of it?

[Thisguyruns]

Yes its a daily and yes more pep.

[mx-p5]

Start saving your pennies. Cause as soon as you start to mod the motor for more, it isn't gonna stop! lol.

[justanothermp5]

^^TRUE!! lol

im in highschool, a senior this year,
and started with intake and exhaust and now look at my sig

shit load of money and working 40hours a week all summer
sucks man but its worth it in the long run

[mx-p5]

You're a senior this year with that mods list? Very well done sir!

[justanothermp5]

why thank you! it helps that i installed most of the mods myself too
i think the only thing i didnt install was my clutch, cuz i have no idea how to do that lol

still owe my mom 300 bucks but besides that, i bought everything myself
so if i can do it, u should definitely be able to

[blueprotegelx]

As mentioned before, modding is fun but becomes addicting! seems like I put a part on and I'm all excited for the first couple days and then it doesn't seem like much so I'm back to shopping for more. I'm running mp3 ecu, intake, header, exhaust, eibach pro kit springs, and a very short, short shifter. yes it has a lot more spunk than stock...but i'm still not have and now i have mods (see my sig) that i have acquired and getting more technical! i'm in college and my budget is low, so i save money and wait for really good deals! right now i'm doing the NA thing, and later i'm going turbo. but once you go turbo you have to apply more maintenance and right now i don't have the funds if something was to go wrong turbo wise!

[bazooka joe]

why thank you! it helps that i installed most of the mods myself too
i think the only thing i didnt install was my clutch, cuz i have no idea how to do that lol

still owe my mom 300 bucks but besides that, i bought everything myself
so if i can do it, u should definitely be able to
(bowdown)

[neox.286]

I meant the parts not ever being shipped to you when I said not getting what you pay for. I read that a couple of people had been waiting like 6 months and still didnt have their turbo setup. If you can manage to stay off the pedal on the right shouldnt you experience better mpg on a turbo setup?


you will loose mpg on a turbo application
you cant get up to speed very quickly at less than quarter throttle, and if you go over quarter throttly you will get into boost

once boost kicks in you are basically cramming a crapload of air into the motor, and well...you need to compensate for that much more air with even more fuel, more boost means more fuel...

that being said, I still have no problem getting 25mpg with some mashing here and there


as for those who have spent months without getting their turbo setup, that is for a reason: they want it done right the first time when they install it...so they wait months and months to get all the parts they need at the best price they can

personally, Ive been waiting 10 months to drop in my t3/t4 kit, but only because I have been basically piecing it together from scratch rather than buying a kit....if you want to get a stock setup, you can have all the parts you need in a month easily

[neox.286]

started with intake and exhaust and now look at my sig...

lol, oh how I have heard myself say that so many times...
btw, congrats on that...its quite a feat!

[bazooka joe]

27 this week (yes) (combined!)...with some mashing here and there, on an auto...which traditional sucks more gas anyway!

[neox.286]

the most Ive gotten is 28
if I mash it everywhere (which I tend to do lol) I get about 18-20...

[A louie]

You can piece together a turbo kit for about 1k. I have spent about 900 so far and all I need is a atp waste gate and small stuff like gaskets and bolts/nuts. And it can be very reliable if you take your time and do everything right. Then take care of everything and be smart about it. Like the little small things like letting your turbo cool off after a hard run and before you turn it off.

My friend (J naoto) actually gets a lot better gas millage since he boosted and 5spd swap on his sedan. You just have to try and stay out of the high rpms and pedal to the floor haha.

[J_Naoto]

yes! i use to be lucky to get over 300 on a tank when i was auto, but now i can get over 400 easily even if i get on it a lot. 5 speed and boost ftw!

[A louie]

He gets better mileage then me and I am still N/a :(

That will change in a few weeks though!! Muahhahaa


Oh and


Get out of this thread, you don't have a wagon (bang) (direct)

[J_Naoto]

:(

[Thisguyruns]

So what would the stock msp part list to add turbo to a p5 since I could piece it together for 1k?

[A louie]

:(

(burnout)

[A louie]

So what would the stock msp part list to add turbo to a p5 since I could piece it together for 1k?

All you really need is

Turbo (duh)
Turbo mani
j pipe (you can use your stock one)
s pipe
msp ecu
Oil and coolant lines
front mount/side mount setup
wastegate and bov/bpv

and other small things like

Gaskets
bolts/nuts just incase
oil and antifreeze
and getting a slim fan helps a lot also

If anybody sees anything I am missing the let me know, I am really tired haha

[mx-p5]

I beleive to use A/C, don't you need a MSP a/c compressor?

[A louie]

No

You only need the stock msp radiator and stuff if you are using the stock plastic heat soaking smic

You can use the stock p5 ac fan and radiator if you are using a front mount. It is also a better choice then wasting money on a msp smic. The reason you need a slim line is because you prob wont be able to use the puller fan or whatever with the turbo there. But with a slim line it fits fine and if you live in a hot place, I would not recommend going without the fan haha Unless you like overheating when your stuck in traffic or something

[mx-p5]

Don't you gain large amounts of boost lag by going to a FMIC and not upgrading teh turbo?

If you go stock MSP setup, go with an upgraded side mount

[A louie]

Haha there is little to no boost lag with the stock t25 because its so small. It like spools at idle lol

And upgraded smic is only good if you are staying around stock hp. Once you get higher up in the hp the fmic flows and is much better. And no, fmic does not make turbo lag. It will actually give you some more whp and run a lot cooler. Smic is a waste of money unless you plan on staying at the stock psi and numbers. And even then, the gains are not worth it and you cant have a mad tyte jdm intercooler up front in dah grillzzz

Thats why you see everybody upgrading to a fmic, and there are so many hard pipes for the smic for sale right now.

fmic > smic

[neox.286]

not true
I have run multiple front mount setups and have run side mount upgrades with and without hardpipes

the upgraded side mount at stock boost is more than adequate

a front mount on stock boost DOES INDEED have turbolag, especially with a few of the longer piping kits out there like the hiboost

the front mount at 10psi is perfect, and I highly recommend it over the side mount at 10 psi....you gain hp at this point, and enough to warrant the lag...but at stock boost levels (6psi) the upgraded side mount is your best option because you gain horsepower but not enough to warrant lag

[A louie]

Thats why I sad smic is good if you plan on staying at stock boost and never want to upgrade.

And there is very little lag on the t25 because its so small. You can barely give it gas and its almost fully spooled haha

[mx-p5]

Dang. My wife is gonna kill me. All this turbo talk is making me want boost.

Boost or Tokico/Espilar combo

[justanothermp5]

^LOL

hard decision man

but im going to a junk yard today and one of my friends said there was a stock turbo mx3 or something like that out there
u think the oilines/coolant from that would fit on my setup?
might have to look around for an srt4 and snatch the huge intercooler lol

[neox.286]

they just might

couldn't hurt to give them a try!