Hahn '08 Cobalt SS Turbo 13.2 @ 104

[shucky]

This just in from my old friend Bill Hahn. Car has reflash and catback exhaust. You can hear the factory launch control, it seems the business and it launches hard on this run.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Hahn-RaceCraft-Cobalt-4-4_169452.htm

[justanothermp5]

WTF!!! why is it so fast!!

well time to save up for it haha

[Hyun]

Awesome!~

[controlo]

bad ass. good job chevy!

[gtlaw]

it is not going to be fun having to eat humble pie after lining up next to a cavalier

I wonder how a GXP would run with that same tune?

[itzl0l]

not bad....i trap 104 with an intake and vibrant exhaust. Need a downpipe

[dkswim]

thats cool.

[controlo]

it is not going to be fun having to eat humble pie after lining up next to a cavalier

I wonder how a GXP would run with that same tune?

+1. i guess if we really wanted to, we could pull the: "it's still a cavalier" card.
(rei)

[stockms3]

wow that's impressive really....

On a side note IN MY OPINION COBALT IS a ugly car, I would feel like driving one of the enterprise cars whenever my car is at the dealership lol.

No attacks please! I said MY OPINION like ass everyone is got his own :D

[Shane5425]

at 22psi i would hope it would run that..

[Super Unique]

I would be curious to know what his times were like when the car was totally stock. Would answer quite a few questions for me personally.

Granted, I personally can't even fit in one, but you have to give chevy some props for unleashing such a quick compact. The question of can they compete has been answered with a resounding yes.

[oaklandopen]

let the fanboyism commence

[controlo]

at 22psi i would hope it would run that..

so this run was at 22psi? if that's true, it's not as impressive at all. still cool, just not impressive. (uhm)

[FrequentFlyer]

+1. i guess if we really wanted to, we could pull the: "it's still a cavalier" card.
(rei)

Yeah, and they can still pull the "it's still a Mazda3" card also. (burnout)

[boostdog]

very nice...guys you need to remember that 22 psi on 1 turbo is not the same as 22 psi on another. You need to compare compressor maps to get a better idea of how the turbo is doing and making power...one thing does anyone know what tuning software they are using, because i thought the ss/tc's ecu would pull power at redline to stock hp/tq #'s...?

[koston33]

I wouldn't mind a tune like that

[shucky]

The car has a reflash using the BSR PPC tuner (which is like the Cobb AP). With the reflash it dyno'd 289 whp. I dont know where 22 psi came from but nowhere is psi mentioned, nor is it quoted on Hahn's site. For a reflash and catback that is DAMN impressive. Their plan is high 11's on street radials. Although I'm not a fan of the car itself, my MS3 is more practical for me, it is pretty badass. Highest mph of that night was 105. The launch control is greatly helping with lower e.t.'s. 60' ft on the 13.2 run was 2.0 on stock radials. Remember, having a pioneer in turbocharging like Bill Hahn himself taking on a new DI platform is exciting for everyone. Products and technology developed on this platform will only help anyone running a DI vehicle.

[lestat13]

If you've ever driven or ridden in a cobalt, it's an econobox that they threw a more powerful engine into. Still ugly and uncomfortable, IMO.

Besides, a tune and upping boost (what he did) can get our cars going like that no problem ;)

[Bu11dogg2]

Pretty Cool :)

[GoFast]

the big deal is that the cobalt ran a pretty good time! im sure there are a ton of cobalt ss owners that are happier than a pig in shit because of the potential their car has now.

it cracks me up that so many ms3 owners get all upset when somebody else says something bad about the ms3 and calls it an econobox or whatever but then so many turn around and say the same stuff about the cobalt ss.

oh well, welcome to the internet. lol

i just hope that ms3 owners dont obtain the same negative image as the srt enthusiasts, because if we do ill almost be embarrassed to drive the ms3

[happy and angry]

I knew this thread was going to have a newly registered name posting a +1 show up in it somewhere.

[happy and angry]

If you've ever driven or ridden in a cobalt, it's an econobox that they threw a more powerful engine into. Still ugly and uncomfortable, IMO.So what? Is this a thread about performance numbers or a thread about how the car still doesn't measure up on some arbitrary scale so you can feel better about your car? Here, let me help you out:

- "We're a hatch, I can haul a big screen, SS/TC FTL!"
- "UUUUUUUUUUUGLY FTL!!!"
- "GM build quality FTL!!!1!!!!oneone!!1!"

There, now that that's over with can we please focus on the damn numbers of the car like this thread is about?


Besides, a tune and upping boost (what he did) can get our cars going like that no problemIt has already been mentioned that upping boost does not automatically mean it's putting out more power than we are, as not all turbos are created equal. A catback and a reflash putting up low 13s and traping 105 is impressive. That's maybe $1500 of work on the car.

Little econo-boxes putting up good numbers and getting good tuning done on them is a good thing for all of us. It just serves to get more people interested in turbo 4-bangers and makes the after market for us grow.

[MSelo]

Man, I hope that cobalt ss doesn't run into an ms3 with a couple bolt-ons ....LOOKOUT!

+1

[Hyun]

hate to break it to you but both ms3 and cobalt is based on econobox. If you bought ms3 because you thought it was best bargain for performance.. your year and a half too late.

If your insecure about your car and what not, go buy evo and be done with it. You will be set for next 4-5 years.

[nvmsp]

oh no something is faster then my ms3.(poke)

[happy and angry]

You still don't know shit about 1/4 miles, do you.

http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php

Chevrolet lists the curb weight as 2700 or so. Add a driver and a tank of gas, say 3000 pounds, take a guess at the WHP, around 260, you get an estimated run of 13.2 and a trap of 102.

Or go here:

http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php?resultpage=548&carmodel=&data1=100&op1=%3E=&data2=13.3&op2=%3C=&search2=et&days=10000000&stock=&resultsperpage=10&carmake=All

You will see the 13.3 and 13.2 runs ranging in trap times from 100 - 110. 105 sounds about right to me.

[tsunami]

wow there is some decent discussion here and then there is some other bullshit... lets keep the bs to a minimum and continue to have a discussion so a cobalt ss put up some good numbers as most of you said congrats to chevy and sport compacts as a whole... stop whining cause now you feel that your car is threatened... who gives a rats ass? if you enjoy your car then enjoy it... if not well that sucks trade it in for an sti or evo or something and be happy again...

[controlo]

very nice...guys you need to remember that 22 psi on 1 turbo is not the same as 22 psi on another. You need to compare compressor maps to get a better idea of how the turbo is doing and making power...one thing does anyone know what tuning software they are using, because i thought the ss/tc's ecu would pull power at redline to stock hp/tq #'s...?

yeah, that's a good point. does anybody know what kind of boost they run stock? there's no doubt that this is a good time. i'm sure there are a lot of new SS owners that are stoked right now.

[shucky]

Yeah guys, this wasn't a thread about which car is "better." Or "just wait till a MS3 has mods.." I'm a major car nut and get excited about this stuff and since its a DI platform I'm curious and looking forward to see what Hahn's approach will be with extracting some big horsepower from it. I've never had a superiority complex regardless of what I drove, folks like that give the sport a bad rep, especially on the street. If I see a nasty quick SRT4 I give props, but it could be a Cobalt, or whatever. I'm not a hater of other platforms at all, its all for good fun. Keep it on topic please. The new 'Balt looks like a great platform for all around performance and some nasty power. Again, its not for everyone, not even me, but I think its badass with only 2 mods.

[Shane5425]

The car has a reflash using the BSR PPC tuner (which is like the Cobb AP). With the reflash it dyno'd 289 whp. I dont know where 22 psi came from but nowhere is psi mentioned, nor is it quoted on Hahn's site. For a reflash and catback that is DAMN impressive. Their plan is high 11's on street radials. Although I'm not a fan of the car itself, my MS3 is more practical for me, it is pretty badass. Highest mph of that night was 105. The launch control is greatly helping with lower e.t.'s. 60' ft on the 13.2 run was 2.0 on stock radials. Remember, having a pioneer in turbocharging like Bill Hahn himself taking on a new DI platform is exciting for everyone. Products and technology developed on this platform will only help anyone running a DI vehicle.


cobaltss.net forum, Hahn posted it himself..

[Super Unique]

I can't wait to see if their cars run into some of the DI quirks we are seing on ours so far. I wanna know if our issues are screwy mazda engineering, or if chevy hits some of the snags we've seen so far ie fuel pump, turbo seals, etc...

[Shane5425]

correct me if i am wrong, but dont they have the same turbocharger we use, the ko4

[Super Unique]

could possibly be, I am not sure re: same turbo.

One way to look at this is think like a car design engineer, the turbo we have was chosen primarily based on package size and volume pricing. They determined the amount of boost/cfm they needed for the application, then sough an early spool up, along with small dimensions to fit easier in the engine compartment. These factors alone could lead chevy engineers to precisely the same turbo as ours. If you have a high volume product the price can come down, so with chevy and mazda using it the economies of scale increase.

[Yamaha72]

Notice this run is done with launch control.... Hmmmm, if only the mazda could harness it's power in 1-2.. Oh the possibilities!! Impressive none the less, props to chevy.

[shucky]

Thanks Shane for the link. Honestly, I could care less if its 21-23 psi. Its corked up to hell with everything stock except a cat back. I'm still impressed. And from reading the cobss forums, Hahn said his quickest runs were made w/out using the factory launch control. He said stock boost is 15'ish, and at that power level its "about" 10hp for every 1psi.

The turbo on those cars may be of K04 variety, but they are twin scroll units, thus not same as our K04-022.

[slo03.5msp]

Wow! It can go in a straight line! That's cool. Okay now someone put up a video of it against a speed3 on a road course.

[Hyun]

Wow! It can go in a straight line! That's cool. Okay now someone put up a video of it against a speed3 on a road course.

it apparently turns better too. Sad?

[montrealms3]

All this gets me excited . . . I am happy with my car but I am also stoked that the cobalt is now quick as well. This means Mazda and others will have to step up if they want to keep their title's atop the sport compact world, which means better things for us consumers . . .

Congrats Chevy . . . now I gotta go get some go fast parts for my car . . .

[controlo]

Thanks Shane for the link. Honestly, I could care less if its 21-23 psi. Its corked up to hell with everything stock except a cat back. I'm still impressed. And from reading the cobss forums, Hahn said his quickest runs were made w/out using the factory launch control. He said stock boost is 15'ish, and at that power level its "about" 10hp for every 1psi.

The turbo on those cars may be of K04 variety, but they are twin scroll units, thus not same as our K04-022.

that's some good info. these cobalts seem almost identical as far as stock horsepower/specs go. i wonder what's going to happen when he puts a cold air on it. 10s? lolz.

[lestat13]

Notice this run is done with launch control.... Hmmmm, if only the mazda could harness it's power in 1-2.. Oh the possibilities!! Impressive none the less, props to chevy.

WOT BOX baby (gossip) Because it's on another forum, simply add "www." to the begining and ".html" to the end of the link below. Not only launch control, but also no lift shifting

****************.org/forum/n2mb-racing/7252-new-product-announcement-wot-box

[Babyface13]

Thats cool I might have to try and get in on that!!

[SwampAss]

The SRT4 Caliber was poised to kick everyone's ass and the lil Cobalt was the punch no one saw coming. :)

That's an awesome time and trap. I kinda laughed knowing the car was out for what....2 months and they have shit for it already? I bought my car and had to wait 3 MONTHS for the stupid MAZDASPEED intake. (lol)

[Betelgeuse]

at 22psi i would hope it would run that..

Yeah that's the only way it did that with just a reflash. Because there's no friggin way a catback is going to help that much. It's kinda impressive but similar times can be had with the ms3 with the boost turned up. Guys have run traps in the 110 range as well. I don't know why the ms3 guys are so worried.

I like the Cobalt over all the other competition though. It's a bargain and we can't deny the engine/ecu is probably easier to deal with. Mazda needs to make their ms cars more aftermarket friendly. The ms3 is a step in right direction but they really need to take a look at VW, Dodge and Chevy.

[Vengure]

Hopefully we can get more tuning software on board with the MS3's to get a really good tune out of the car. As swamp stated seemed like the cobalt is gonna get alot of support faster then the MS3 lol.

[wisniaPl]

fast for cobalt....I should of get year old evo or sti intead....

[Donas64]

wicked run AND it handles. I like the looks. The interior is not MS3 quality but If I was looking for a sporty coupe under 25K, it would be the SS/TC. If I was shopping for a hatch, it would be the MS3. I don't find the 4 door cobalt attractive.

[USMC98]

The launch control and no lift shift gimmick sure does help. - I personally wouldn't buy a car like that because to me it takes the skill / fun out of driving. You basically just floor it the whole way - lame! I noticed a lot of members like to flame people on here because they have an opinion about other cars, this to is lame. It's pretty sad when a lot of members feel like they have to apologize before they make a post out of fear of being insulted because of their opinion. Just the way I’ve been seeing it on here (lurk)

[nvmsp]

No it's just alot of ms3 owners are getting too cocky. Just like in the past with srt4 owners.

Some of them talk shit about the cobalt just because it may be faster than their cars.

It's all about growing up and not thinking your too cool just because you have a nice/quick ass car. Every car can be just as fast as EVERY car if it's modded right and thats the truth.

Srt4 owners like to pick on the msp's. One tried to race me one day, an 05 with lsd BTW, since he thought he would win. After I beat him with not even that many mods, he was put in his place. Just goes to show you that any car can be as fast as any car.

[USMC98]

No it's just alot of ms3 owners are getting too cocky. Just like in the past with srt4 owners.

Some of them talk shit about the cobalt just because it may be faster than their cars.

It's all about growing up and not thinking your too cool just because you have a nice/quick ass car. Every car can be just as fast as EVERY car if it's modded right and thats the truth.

Srt4 owners like to pick on the msp's. One tried to race me one day, an 05 with lsd BTW, since he thought he would win. After I beat him with not even that many mods, he was put in his place. Just goes to show you that any car can be as fast as any car.

Yes you can through enough money into almost any car (IE, civic hatch plus 5k= 11’s, etc) and make it fast but that's not my point. What I'm saying is that members are getting flamed for expressing their opinions; this doesn't mean they're cocky necessarily. I’m not seeing members saying the MS3 is the best thing ever or that they’ve beaten Z06’s, Porsche 911’s, etc; they’re talking other cars in the 25k and under sport compact class which is how it should be as the MS3 wasn’t meant to be compared to other cars outside of this category but it still happens because of the cars unprecedented power & over all performance in it’s price range. Besides who gives a damn if someone is cocky on the internet? I mean is this really grounds for someone to get their e-feelings hurt? You can call me cocky or whatever if you want but I’ve yet to see another car costing fewer than 25k that is a better value than the MS3, this includes this New Cobalt with all its fancy gimmicks that do the driving for you.

[Bravnik]

Both cars are quick. I prefer mine as to me it looks better. Mod for Mod the MS3 has proven to be quicker. We had guys with CAI, MBC, Test Pipes hitting 12's at this stage.

With that in mind, I prefer my MS3 over the SS based on the simple truth that GM cars are typically a POS. But that's me.

Speaking of so called competition. Where the hell are the SRT4C's at? I live in an area where I have seen 5 to 1 of the new STi's compaired to the SRT4C's. I guess dodge flopped with making a Fast Mini-Van. I have seen ONE SRT4C in the past 6-8months and it even had dealer plates. I have not seen one yet with actually registered plates. Anyone else?

[USMC98]

Both cars are quick. I prefer mine as to me it looks better. Mod for Mod the MS3 has proven to be quicker. We had guys with CAI, MBC, Test Pipes hitting 12's at this stage.

With that in mind, I prefer my MS3 over the SS based on the simple truth that GM cars are typically a POS. But that's me.

Speaking of so called competition. Where the hell are the SRT4C's at? I live in an area where I have seen 5 to 1 of the new STi's compaired to the SRT4C's. I guess dodge flopped with making a Fast Mini-Van. I have seen ONE SRT4C in the past 6-8months and it even had dealer plates. I have not seen one yet with actually registered plates. Anyone else?

That's a good question! I've only seen one in person(uhm)

[ms3zoomzoom3]

cobalts in my opinon are the most uncomfortable car ever to sit in i rented one once when my car was in the shop it was horrible

[Young Roids]

MAZDA SUCKS!










jp

[robin2660]

I followed link to Hahn website/blog and I think they are using their own spec. turbochargers and some kind of tuning, etc.

http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/Cobalt%2024L%20Page.htm

[robin2660]

"Our very first Eco-effort won the prestigious GM Design Award at SEMA, an impressive 12-second, stock engine EcoCav show car that ran 12's with our bolt-on TurboSystem. We haven't looked back since, with more records and firsts than all others combined."

Edit: I guess it's now in the 12s and not 13s.

[Donas64]

I think the SS is a good looking vehicle. I've seen 2 cobalt SRT'4 in my area.

[Rotary_Powered]

Nice work on chevy's part they built a good car. Props to get this thing fast in so little time.

[mazdaspeedster3]

They cant sell that new SRT4, know several peeps at Dodge dealers and the dealerships are trying to get out of thiers sales contracts on them. Cobalts are still Caveliers, day late/dollar short. A company like GM/Chevrolet should have written the compact sport era. Instead, they are several years behind just getting in to it in response to a huge loss of market share. Dodge on the other hand, who knows what they were thinking... An SRT Cobalt? You can put a turbo on a POS and it is still a turbo charged POS. HOWEVER, with employee discounting you cant beat the pricing of these two manufacturers over Mazda. Demand is making Mazda very errogant and hard to deal with. looking to turn my 07 CX7 in come November and just not sure I am going to drive out in another Mazda. Will be the first time in almost 6 years we wont have a Mazda other than my speed. It is a shame.

[Super Unique]

I think the caliber srt4 has a very, very stout engine stuck in a terrible vehicle. Not sure what they were thinking when the decision was made to go forward with it.

the platform the caliber is on, is also used across dodge and jeep as well. The reason behind it is economic. Unfortunately that leaves zero space in the chrysler lineup for an actual small car.

[controlo]

who cares about chevy... where is toyotas fucking sports car?!

there just about the only car manufacturer without a sports car in their catalog.

[Hyun]

IS-F
and
Highly anticipated RWD sports compact made by TOBARU.

[DeadGeneration]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdeAuCnvUf0

[shucky]

Robin, what your looking at was a project Hahn did on an older Cobalt for Chevy (for the Sema show). His new one, the '08 turbo SS he picked up a couple Friday's ago.

I live in a Chicago suburb, lots of cars all over the place, and I have never seen 1 SRT Caliber on the road. Dealer has 1 Silver one sitting outside that apparently they cant sell cause its been there for over a month.

[oskinosmee]

Congrats very nice car.
i give my props

[Shane5425]

i just wish the MS3 ecu was that easy to crack...

[Super Unique]

who cares about chevy... where is toyotas fucking sports car?!

there just about the only car manufacturer without a sports car in their catalog.

Toyota seems incapable of building a competent sport compact. They got rid of the supra because they priced themselves right out of the segment, then they released the celica and couldn't get that right. Finally they put out a whole new brand scion to cater to the youth market, but all those are woefully underpowered. The corolla S is a plastic clad joke. Eliminated the mr2, and finally now they are pairing up with subaru on an as yet un named shared platform sport compact.

[Rotary_Powered]

I've seen one CSRT4 in my neighborhood , maybe one on the highway as well. I've seen some of the 06 SS S/C around. I actually don't mind the coupe's looks looks clean from most angles (minus the huge wing). The caliber needs a couple of changes to be better. 1) an LSD 2) 18 inch wheels instead 19's 3)some suspension adjustments. If they made these changes the car might be brilliant to drive. (cheap interior aside).

[USMC98]

I've seen one CSRT4 in my neighborhood , maybe one on the highway as well. I've seen some of the 06 SS S/C around. I actually don't mind the coupe's looks looks clean from most angles (minus the huge wing). The caliber needs a couple of changes to be better. 1) an LSD 2) 18 inch wheels instead 19's 3)some suspension adjustments. If they made these changes the car might be brilliant to drive. (cheap interior aside).

In regards to the CSRT4, I'm sure you could get a load off the price off of one of those and use the rest of the money you saved for after market stuff you mentioned. And yeah I agree with a few changes it would most likely be a decent performer. The heavy ass 19's would be the first thing to go along with suspension upgrades if I had one. So basically if you can get about 3-4k off MSRP and use that money for upgraded parts then you just might have a winner. However, you’d still be driving around one of the ugliest vehicles around, not that the speed3 is the most gorgeous thing.

[Young Roids]

The 19"s are the least of the caliber's problems.

[SwampAss]

I'm not sure you could go smaller than an 18 on those. They have BIG brakes. Not so much for stopping....but for their odd approach to limited slip .

[Young Roids]

19 is the new 18

[Super Unique]

i can remember when 15s were a big deal on a compact LOL....

[SwampAss]

me too. 50 series tires were about as low pro as you went.

195/50 fo lyf~

[ericrapp]

The car has a reflash using the BSR PPC tuner (which is like the Cobb AP). With the reflash it dyno'd 289 whp. I dont know where 22 psi came from but nowhere is psi mentioned, nor is it quoted on Hahn's site. For a reflash and catback that is DAMN impressive. Their plan is high 11's on street radials. Although I'm not a fan of the car itself, my MS3 is more practical for me, it is pretty badass. Highest mph of that night was 105. The launch control is greatly helping with lower e.t.'s. 60' ft on the 13.2 run was 2.0 on stock radials. Remember, having a pioneer in turbocharging like Bill Hahn himself taking on a new DI platform is exciting for everyone. Products and technology developed on this platform will only help anyone running a DI vehicle. I agree with with you sir, I think it is called the Hahn Effect!

[controlo]

Toyota seems incapable of building a competent sport compact. They got rid of the supra because they priced themselves right out of the segment, then they released the celica and couldn't get that right. Finally they put out a whole new brand scion to cater to the youth market, but all those are woefully underpowered. The corolla S is a plastic clad joke. Eliminated the mr2, and finally now they are pairing up with subaru on an as yet un named shared platform sport compact.

all they need to do is remake the mr2 and throw the 2zz motor in it. sell it for 25k and you have a monster on your hands.

it actually bothers me that they didn't do that. i guess their idea was to compete with the miata. but if they would release a lightweight roadster with 180hp, at 25k, they'd be competing with the mazda miata and the honda s2k.

the supra was an amazing machine but your right, they were just overpriced. i think the scion tC motor is a good start if you wanna slap some boost on it. and i think the 2zz is a great motor to slap in something light. just look at the lotus elise.

[USMC98]

all they need to do is remake the mr2 and throw the 2zz motor in it. sell it for 25k and you have a monster on your hands.

it actually bothers me that they didn't do that. i guess their idea was to compete with the miata. but if they would release a lightweight roadster with 180hp, at 25k, they'd be competing with the mazda miata and the honda s2k.

the supra was an amazing machine but your right, they were just overpriced. i think the scion tC motor is a good start if you wanna slap some boost on it. and i think the 2zz is a great motor to slap in something light. just look at the lotus elise.

Well the Scion TC comes with an optional SC but even then it wasn't that great as a Civic SI would hang with one. Put maybe bolting on a turbo charger instead would yield better results... Yeah the lotus is great with the Toyota motor but let’s remember that think is a whopping 1700lbs or something crazy like that - doesn't take an awful amount of power to move something so tiny. It's a damn go cart basically

As far as competing with a Honda s2000 with something that's producing 180hp, that thing better be really lite! The s2000 produces 237hp and makes damn good use of it. The CR version runs the ¼ in 13.7 at 101mph with the same motor weighing about 100lbs less I believe. Even the base model s2000 runs 13.9-14.1 @ 100 these things aren’t exactly slow contrary to popular belief plus they handle great

[dkswim]

there times are only going to get lower. there is something to be said about chevy and there inhouse performance outfits and bins.

[Super Unique]

i think the scion tC motor is a good start if you wanna slap some boost on it. and i think the 2zz is a great motor to slap in something light. just look at the lotus elise.

That toyota engine is the primary reason I am not driving an elise. Sourcing a toyota engine is unforgivable offense on lotus' part. Shame on them for copping out and putting a mass market turd in the engine bay.......

[controlo]

Well the Scion TC comes with an optional SC but even then it wasn't that great as a Civic SI would hang with one. Put maybe bolting on a turbo charger instead would yield better results... Yeah the lotus is great with the Toyota motor but let’s remember that think is a whopping 1700lbs or something crazy like that - doesn't take an awful amount of power to move something so tiny. It's a damn go cart basically

As far as competing with a Honda s2000 with something that's producing 180hp, that thing better be really lite! The s2000 produces 237hp and makes damn good use of it. The CR version runs the ¼ in 13.7 at 101mph with the same motor weighing about 100lbs less I believe. Even the base model s2000 runs 13.9-14.1 @ 100 these things aren’t exactly slow contrary to popular belief plus they handle great

yeah. my last car was a tC and i liked it a lot. it was cheap, cool and had decent power. these cars love boost, trust me... haha, i've raced boosted ones. the only problem with the trd supercharger is that its setup for like 7psi in order to keep the warranty. they can make a bit more power though.

lotus elise's run low 13's stock and an mr2 spyder with a 2zz swap does high 13's and handles just as well, if not better than an s2k. if toyota would have just used that motor in the first place, they would have killed.


That toyota engine is the primary reason I am not driving an elise. Sourcing a toyota engine is unforgivable offense on lotus' part. Shame on them for copping out and putting a mass market turd in the engine bay.......

first off, it's a great motor. second off, it wasn't engineered by toyota. it's a yamaha motor. if anything, lotus having chosen the 2zz must mean it's a great motor.

pontiac also sourced the same yamaha motor for their pontiac vibe GT.

[Knox Joe]

I've been thinking about selling the MSP, and buying a Cobalt SS...

[USMC98]

I've been thinking about selling the MSP, and buying a Cobalt SS...

Die (doughpoke

[USMC98]

I wonder how long it's going to be before that cobalt needs a new transmission...

[SwampAss]

I've been thinking about selling the MSP, and buying a Cobalt SS...

Do it! I want to know what they are like.

[Rotary_Powered]

I've been thinking about selling the MSP, and buying a Cobalt SS...
Do it :) but get the coupe. and that special sport package...(drive)

[USMC98]

Actually just stash away a little more money for a few months and buy an EVO, STI or BMW 135i, don't waste your money on a glorified cavilear with a turbo. It’s still FWD after all, if you're going to upgrade to it right! Just my .02

[controlo]

Actually just stash away a little more money for a few months and buy an EVO, STI or BMW 135i, don't waste your money on a glorified cavilear with a turbo. It’s still FWD after all, if you're going to upgrade to it right! Just my .02

haha. you think 15k is 'a little more money'? (smoke)

[Donas64]

I've been thinking about selling the MSP, and buying a Cobalt SS...

Do it! I think you'll be happy. Plus you've got the speed6 if you want a nice interior! Do it now!!! :) and report back with pics.

[Knox Joe]

I just keep thinking to myself, self, wtf r u doin?

I've got nearly 10k in my MSP just to have a mid to low 13 sec car. 10k in another car would be wicked fast.

But....


I love my MSP!!!!

I'm gonna test drive one later today if they're open, or if not, probably tomorrow.


Anyone want to buy a modded MSP with almost every bolt on for less than $10k?

[robin2660]

yeah. my last car was a tC and i liked it a lot. it was cheap, cool and had decent power. these cars love boost, trust me... haha, i've raced boosted ones. the only problem with the trd supercharger is that its setup for like 7psi in order to keep the warranty. they can make a bit more power though.

lotus elise's run low 13's stock and an mr2 spyder with a 2zz swap does high 13's and handles just as well, if not better than an s2k. if toyota would have just used that motor in the first place, they would have killed.



first off, it's a great motor. second off, it wasn't engineered by toyota. it's a yamaha motor. if anything, lotus having chosen the 2zz must mean it's a great motor.

pontiac also sourced the same yamaha motor for their pontiac vibe GT.


It IS a good engine. I believe it even comes with forged rods.

Question (pardon thread drift): Can I get the tuning that the Elise has, for my G-friend's XRS? Or even the 180 HP Vibe? That would ratchet her performance up a bit from the 165HP.

[controlo]

It IS a good engine. I believe it even comes with forged rods.

Question (pardon thread drift): Can I get the tuning that the Elise has, for my G-friend's XRS? Or even the 180 HP Vibe? That would ratchet her performance up a bit from the 165HP.

you know what man... i don't think its a tune or a different ecu. i do know that the corolla xrs is a little bit detuned from the gt-s and matrix xrs motor. my mom drives a corolla xrs actually. i think the lotus has a better intake manifold that yeilds the extra 10 ponies. there's a guy in town with a celica running like low 12's and i guess there are a couple elise bolt ons. the manifold being one. i've seen bolt on gt-s run low 14's.

does your girl have a matrix or a corolla? i like all three of these cars, btw. i've always thought about getting a gt-s.

[robin2660]

you know what man... i don't think its a tune or a different ecu. i do know that the corolla xrs is a little bit detuned from the gt-s and matrix xrs motor. my mom drives a corolla xrs actually. i think the lotus has a better intake manifold that yeilds the extra 10 ponies. there's a guy in town with a celica running like low 12's and i guess there are a couple elise bolt ons. the manifold being one. i've seen bolt on gt-s run low 14's.

does your girl have a matrix or a corolla? i like all three of these cars, btw. i've always thought about getting a gt-s.

2005 Corolla XRS. I was reading about the Lotus. They do tune it (change ECU). What I don't know if tuning options are available to alter the 2ZZ-GE. It'd be nice to get the cam to switch over before 6200rmp. I'm sure cold air or short ram wouldn't hurt either.

[controlo]

2005 Corolla XRS. I was reading about the Lotus. They do tune it (change ECU). What I don't know if tuning options are available to alter the 2ZZ-GE. It'd be nice to get the cam to switch over before 6200rmp. I'm sure cold air or short ram wouldn't hurt either.

oh, i see. i don't know about being able to tune the cams lift. i do know that lotus uses a different intake manifold. i'm assuming it'd be hard to get ahold of one of those though... the motors really are great.

[Redlinez]

I'm looking forward to the sedan SS turbo. Check out this review http://www.urbanracer.com/articles/anmviewer.asp?a=3039&print=yes

[clos561]

the cobalt reaches 21psi stock..... so how much psi did the flash add? its a beautiful thing when u can get a good tune

-LOL nice stall GUy