Pg Secretweapon Cold Air Intake Now Available!!!

[jcgemt2003]

We have listed a cold air intake(polished) for you CX9 guys and girls. It will give about a 10hp gain and improved gas mileage!! Pricing is $269.95 shipped and they are available now!!
If there is 5-10 people interested we will do a group buy that can be started in this thread!!! 5 orders will get you it at $240 shipped and if there's 10 of you will do it for $225 shipped!!

check it out:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/index.php?cPath=410

[clarko]

Doesn't that draw air from inside the engine compartment?

Looks like it would reach behind the headlight where the original draws from.

[Shaz]

(hand) drongos both

[mgerst1]

I have one for my msp and it draws air from the venthole in the engine compartment so it isnt as hot as the rest of the air in the engine compartment. not sure what the cx-7 engine bay looks like but if it is similar I would highly reccomend it, I love the way mine works. Sometimes if they are in stock the intakes come with a ram air kit to configure it like a cai

[jcgemt2003]

The name of the thread is PG WEAPON R COLD AIR INTAKE. So NO, it does not draw the warm air from the engine bay into the intake.

[ForceFed]

Man..don't you know ..People cant read.

YOu gotta put pics up for the Illiterate's.

[jcgemt2003]

Man..don't you know ..People cant read.

YOu gotta put pics up for the Illiterate's.

LMAO!!!

[clarko]

I have one for my msp and it draws air from the venthole in the engine compartment so it isnt as hot as the rest of the air in the engine compartment. not sure what the cx-7 engine bay looks like but if it is similar I would highly recommend it, I love the way mine works. Sometimes if they are in stock the intakes come with a ram air kit to configure it like a cai


Only its not for a CX7, its for a CX9. (LOL)

[lestat13]

I had a secret weapon intake on my n/a Integra and I can say that I felt and heard even the small difference it made. I got mine for $175 I think and it was worth every penny.

I say don't worry about what other people say. It looks like a quality piece and it will make YOU happy with YOUR vehicle. Drop your money and have fun on the install!

[ForceFed]

Sorry..My head is fine where it is.
I named no names....Obviously I hit a button with you.
You know what they say..If the shoe fits.


I suppose you shouldn't assume and then Dog something unless you know it to be true.

Thanks for playing.

[jcgemt2003]

Alright guys....I assumed this was light hearted joking around and it seems to not be....I didnt mean to offend anyone and I dont think Force meant to either. It was all in fun. Not tryn to hurt anyones feelings. (bowdown)

[Shaz]

It was a joke....MORON. I know a LOT more about the flow of electrons than you do. Did I not say that the resistance comes from the filament becoming excited and giving off light? READ before you start being an ass. And it's not 'friction'. And wikipedia isnt accurate, either. The electrons become charged, and when that charge falls back to normal, photons are emitted to produce light.

And so is calling other people "moron"...it was uncalled for. Mystery solved. You got no room to talk

[Lindyrect]

Calliung people illiterate isn't in fun. It was uncalled for.

(hah) Just those who cannot spell.

[Mazda Newbie]

Back on topic: has anyone installed one of these yet? Is it much louder than stock? I'm not looking for a loud intake.

And to the original poster: any dyno sheets showing the stated gains?

[jcgemt2003]

It will have more of a growl to it but not LOUD. You will probably not see a dyno specifically for this mod. There are a million dynos out there for intakes and what they can do for 4 bangers, v6's, v8's and turbo cars. If someone wanted to go get one done we would work out a discount for there Intake.

[Mazda3]

Let's stay on topic guys.

[ForceFed]

Alright guys....I assumed this was light hearted joking around and it seems to not be....I didnt mean to offend anyone and I dont think Force meant to either. It was all in fun. Not tryn to hurt anyones feelings. (bowdown)I was joking.


Calliung people illiterate isn't in fun. It was uncalled for.
It was a joke..plain and simple...Did you spell something wrong or something..because if you did...I didn't even notice it.

My reply was to the Fact that in the Description for this product..It says its a CAI...Cold Air intake and someone responded about sucking in Warm air....

My comment was directed at people who post and don't read the whole description of something..or Overlook it.
It was neither personal nor directed at anyone in general.

And so is calling other people "moron"...it was uncalled for. Mystery solved. You got no room to talkLooks like you have little room to talk..But I will leave it at that.


I can spell. I just cant type
Once again..My comment had nothing to do with ones Spelling or any particular person in general.

Simply a way to tell people to read the description before commenting on something.

Sorry you felt you had to get bent out of shape over nothing.

[Lindyrect]

I can spell. I just cant type

Just poking fun. I am interested in how this product performs. Pls send some data.

[Shaz]

ForceFed, just to clarify, you may want to look at my post again on this thread wherein I quoted CX9Sportowner for calling names. I have no idea why I was cited on the debacle. Just check my post again because I am not implying anything but want to point out that CX9Sportowner has no room to talk after calling other people names. That's all.

[ForceFed]

Sorry..I meant to quote him..not you..Oops.

[clarko]

Let's stay on topic guys.

(stupid)

[100$ GUY]

Man oh man, I want a K N cold air intake.
On other thread, (with a custom made intake) somebody said about a 5hp increase, and that sucks big time! If I do that mod, I expect at least 15hp with K N. We´ll have to wait until K N releases one and shows the official specs.

[MacMaster]

i was the one who said 5 hp , actually my friends told me that but ur right if i put that intake i do expect at least 15 hp too... like 30 mins ago i raced with a jaguar xj8 and i was too close to win seriously i could win that race if i had like 25 more horsepower... that jag has 300 hp and an aluminium body. I have a 06' XJ8 Super V8 which has 400 hp thnx to supercharger lol, it really goes fast i think 0-60 mph in 5 secs sumtin... anyway i like my cx-9 and i wanna put that intake badly.

[MacMaster]

Btw that secret weapon intake was first made for ford EDGE. And according to EDGE forum members, it didnt work well for 'em. I just read the whole story @ ford edge forums. I m so confused here i just need 20 more hp and im stuck i got nothin to do bout it.(cryhard) Even ford ranger has a cold air intake from K&N. And its plug and play, not a custom intake. They made it for ranger.

[jcgemt2003]

People us guys with turbos dont even see 15-20whp on a CAI upgrade. You have to be realistic. Its not that big of an upgrade. But it is one that with an exhaust will do wonders for your cars performance. You have to start somewhere.

[MacMaster]

Well im thinkin bout trading my cx-9 , so im not gonna spend money on my cx-9 anymore. I have like 8500 miles on my cx-9 (It was a brand new car) and its been 6 months since i got it. I really like it but i think i ll stick with european cars.

[Captain KRM P5]

My opinion, but these aftermarket parts are aimed at owners who aren't that car savvy and can be conned into buying anything. Just the latest trendy nonsense to show off when you pop the hood.

yeah, you're right. the whole performance aftermarket is bunch of ouija boards and snake oil salesmen. no one ever gains anything from modifying a car! (hippy)

theres a couple flaws to your logic when it comes to improving the factory intake. firstly, the size of the filter has nothing to do with how well it draws in a colder or warmer air charge. secondly, aluminum has much better heat transfer qualities than molded plastic which renders the 'warm pipe' argument either moot or in the pipe's favor. thirdly, the air intake system as designed by the factory has a dual purpose - sound resonance. in that regard you normally have extra chambers, snake bends, and release points in the factory intake so that the weak of stomach/faint of heart can't hear the gas guzzling internal combustion behemoth under the hood. this is far more inefficient in terms of intake flow path and is far outweighed from a performance standpoint by a straight pipe. fourthly, part of the gain comes from the mass air sensor. in fact i would say more of the gain comes from that than anything else. the factory intake where the MAF sits is X diameter and Y distance from the throttle body. when you change X and Y, you are altering the signal to the computer and thereby altering the fuel to air mixture.


Man oh man, I want a K N cold air intake.
On other thread, (with a custom made intake) somebody said about a 5hp increase, and that sucks big time! If I do that mod, I expect at least 15hp with K N. We´ll have to wait until K N releases one and shows the official specs.

you will never see 15 actual wheel horsepower, on a dyno, on a non-turbocharged or non-supercharged engine, regardless of who makes an intake, sorry. if you see even a 10 hp gain its because the car is conservatively tuned from the manufacturer and the new intake is manipulating the mass air signal enough to lean out the car and make that power back. manufacturer dyno graphs are well known to be 'generous' in their results once you do your own dyno. i've seen enough K&N systems dynoed in my time to known the sticker on the pipe doesn't change that its just a shiny pipe with a better flowing filter.

[Captain KRM P5]

Well im thinkin bout trading my cx-9 , so im not gonna spend money on my cx-9 anymore. I have like 8500 miles on my cx-9 (It was a brand new car) and its been 6 months since i got it. I really like it but i think i ll stick with european cars.

sorry to see you go - what led you to this decision?

[MacMaster]

lol im too young for driving a family car jk =) ofcourse cx-9 is an awesome car but i wish it was a lil bit more powerful, like 0-60 mph in 6.5 =P... if I could add 20 more hp to my cx-9 i would never think bout trading it.

[ryguy]

Price seems a bit high compared to most Intakes. If it was ~$200 I would consider. If anyone tries please provide feedback.

[Captain KRM P5]

what other intakes are available for the cx-9 at present? most intakes we offer for other cars are above $200

[ryguy]

None. I know that. However that is a moot point for many. My option is don't do anything. I purchased and F2 intake for my Mazda3 for $180, basically the same type of component. If the solution was much over $200, it just doesn't make much sense for the small gain in HP/mileage/throttle response. I would rather have it than not, but there is a price barrier to entering the marketplace. Same reason why not everyone is buying a Blu Ray Player. Some are, but most are not even though HDDVD is dead there is still a price barrier to entering the market.

[100$ GUY]

I say what I know only.

I´ve seen KN CAI that say they add 10-12 horsepower at certain rpms , some even add 14.
So I guess now probably 15 wont happen, but 10-12 might.

And this is the only forum where people say a CAI doesnt work, doesnt improve perfomance. Its curious.

I have already bought a KN CAI for another car, (I´m waiting for it to arrive) so I´ll see by myself how much is truth and how much is a lie (at least from my experience driving a car I pretty much know) The KN for this car adds 9.27 horsepower, I´ll see what happens.

Im thinking of buying JBA headers as well...anyway, I started with the KN CAI, so I´ll wait.

There are several months I guess till we see a KN CAI for the CX-9.

[Captain KRM P5]

None. I know that. However that is a moot point for many. My option is don't do anything. I purchased and F2 intake for my Mazda3 for $180, basically the same type of component. If the solution was much over $200, it just doesn't make much sense for the small gain in HP/mileage/throttle response. I would rather have it than not, but there is a price barrier to entering the marketplace. Same reason why not everyone is buying a Blu Ray Player. Some are, but most are not even though HDDVD is dead there is still a price barrier to entering the market.

the only reason people are not buying blu ray is simple - DVD is not dead by any means and not everyone has a TV that fully takes advantage of what blu ray puts out. people didn't really stop buying VHS tapes until they simply weren't made anymore. wal-mart stocks plenty of cheap blu ray players and the ps3 isn't all that expensive anymore. but content drives hardware sales, and when there is no exclusive content to blu-ray or ps3 that can't be had on DVD, thats what keeps people from justifying the upgrade. thats why you don't see scores of xbox 360 owners in line to buy a ps3. there is nothing compelling them to own both when all the content can be had on the other console. when studios stop supporting DVD the way they stopped supporting VHS and beta before those, you will see blu ray go on the rise. thats content driven, not price driven.

you may disagree with me, which is fine. but we're not even talking about video formats. we're talking air intakes.

you said the price was high compared to most intakes, which it is not. a K&N intake isn't going to be sub-200 dollars, guaranteed. will there be an F2 or F5 or simota or ractive kind of priced intake for a $30,000+ SUV? i can't say that there will be. whether or not you want to spend the money is a decision i can totally respect. but it is not high priced to compared other intakes on the market.

[ryguy]

the only reason people are not buying blu ray is simple - DVD is not dead by any means and not everyone has a TV that fully takes advantage of what blu ray puts out. people didn't really stop buying VHS tapes until they simply weren't made anymore. wal-mart stocks plenty of cheap blu ray players and the ps3 isn't all that expensive anymore. but content drives hardware sales, and when there is no exclusive content to blu-ray or ps3 that can't be had on DVD, thats what keeps people from justifying the upgrade. thats why you don't see scores of xbox 360 owners in line to buy a ps3. there is nothing compelling them to own both when all the content can be had on the other console. when studios stop supporting DVD the way they stopped supporting VHS and beta before those, you will see blu ray go on the rise. thats content driven, not price driven.

you may disagree with me, which is fine. but we're not even talking about video formats. we're talking air intakes.

you said the price was high compared to most intakes, which it is not. a K&N intake isn't going to be sub-200 dollars, guaranteed. will there be an F2 or F5 or simota or ractive kind of priced intake for a $30,000+ SUV? i can't say that there will be. whether or not you want to spend the money is a decision i can totally respect. but it is not high priced to compared other intakes on the market.

Fair enough. Looking forward to hearing of peoples experiences.

[cxgreat]

Does this come with a cleaning kit and the ramair tube/connection?

[Captain KRM P5]

Does this come with a cleaning kit and the ramair tube/connection?

it will come with the ram air tube and a cleaning solution

[Spankyzbt13]

It's nice to see that there are mods coming out for CX-9. However, on my other rides, when mod'ing, it was always prudent to work from 'back' of car to front. This is based on a rwh drive car, but can still follow for AWD.

I would be looking at exhaust 1st? is there any preferred model that anyone has done yet?

2nd. gearing - anyone go with taller gears? again, not too sure how to work this idea with a fwd/awd setup

3rd. headers? JBA has custom bent for us already?

4th. CAI

5th. re-tune

6th. wife leaves you for huge waste of money : )

I know also that valves/cams should be in there also...but have no idea what grind/etc...

[T.Narley]

Something bugs me about that picture. First, if they had a "cnc mandrel bender" they could make the whole thing out of one piece, not 4 all welded together.

I've actually made pipes like this in my garage doing what they appear to be doing just by buying pipe in a variety of angles and cutting/welding them together to fit the application.

[IanKen]

The name of the thread is PG WEAPON R COLD AIR INTAKE. So NO, it does not draw the warm air from the engine bay into the intake.

Yes, becuase all product claims on the internet are accurate and truthful.

I fail to see how a CAI like this can be any colder than the stock solution which does not flow as well, certainly, but will pull cold air directly from the outside:

http://www.roadfly.com/new-cars/wp-content/uploads/gallery/2007-mazda-cx-9-first-drive/mazda-cx-9-engine.jpg

I don't think a big cone filter inside the engine bay, regardless of placement, will draw colder air than a scoop exposed directly to outside air.

IMHO YMMV. I've alwasy be skeptical of the claims of meaningful power gains from simple intake mods. Dyno charts at the minimum are needed before I blow $270 on a tube, air filter and mounting hardware that looks like it's sourced from Home Depot.

[Captain KRM P5]

Yes, becuase all product claims on the internet are accurate and truthful.

I fail to see how a CAI like this can be any colder than the stock solution which does not flow as well, certainly, but will pull cold air directly from the outside:

http://www.roadfly.com/new-cars/wp-content/uploads/gallery/2007-mazda-cx-9-first-drive/mazda-cx-9-engine.jpg

I don't think a big cone filter inside the engine bay, regardless of placement, will draw colder air than a scoop exposed directly to outside air.

IMHO YMMV. I've alwasy be skeptical of the claims of meaningful power gains from simple intake mods. Dyno charts at the minimum are needed before I blow $270 on a tube, air filter and mounting hardware that looks like it's sourced from Home Depot.

i don't sell dishonest scam junk. any amount of quick searching on this forum will show you i am anything but that kind of person. if i don't believe in a product, i don't sell it. you want to be skeptical, feel free. but don't throw me under the bus as a liar because you are 'skeptical'


. CAI are mostly a scam, just like those annoyingly loud exhaust systems.

yes, thats right. all the dynos i have personally done - not a manufacturer's, but my own - of my own car and customers cars in front of them are smoke and mirrors. there are plenty of benefits to freer flowing exhausts and intakes, some vehicles moreso than others. this blanket statement is flat out false, completely proven as such in an independent fashion no less.

if people don't like the product, feel free not to buy it. its not going to put me out of business for the cx-9 market not to buy an air intake. but don't sit here and accuse me of being dishonest when i have six years of honest business done on this forum, and many others, with thousands of satisfied customers. the notion that i am dishonest, or that performance parts are scams, are not only offensive but frankly ignorant remarks.

[badself]

Thank you. This is the point I was trying to make. The CX9 already has a cold air intake, and is in fact better because it's insulated plastic, not thin metal. So unless that cone is located outside the engine compartment, there is no benefit. As in the photo, you are getting air rammed into the intake on the factory setup, also. CAI are mostly a scam, just like those annoyingly loud exhaust systems.

Since when is formed plastic any more of an isulator than steel/iron/aluminum or any other non-precious metal an intake could be constructed of?

Also, are you saying that a less restrictive exhaust has no performance value, because if so, that is another erroneous belief?

[AreYouWithMe]

Most of our CX-9 are new and still under factory wannanty. Will any of these CAI or other aftermarket changes affect the warranty?

As a car guy I know some of the benefits to a CAI (when properly added with other mods). But a lot of this is with older cars. I would like to see a set of dyno pulls from the same car stock versus the CAI, at operating temp with the hood closed.

[100$ GUY]

It's nice to see that there are mods coming out for CX-9. However, on my other rides, when mod'ing, it was always prudent to work from 'back' of car to front. This is based on a rwh drive car, but can still follow for AWD.

I would be looking at exhaust 1st? is there any preferred model that anyone has done yet?

2nd. gearing - anyone go with taller gears? again, not too sure how to work this idea with a fwd/awd setup

3rd. headers? JBA has custom bent for us already?

4th. CAI

5th. re-tune

6th. wife leaves you for huge waste of money : )

I know also that valves/cams should be in there also...but have no idea what grind/etc...

hahahaha, funny!

By the way, doug thorley headers FTW. (bike)

[100$ GUY]

i don't sell dishonest scam junk. any amount of quick searching on this forum will show you i am anything but that kind of person. if i don't believe in a product, i don't sell it. you want to be skeptical, feel free. but don't throw me under the bus as a liar because you are 'skeptical'



yes, thats right. all the dynos i have personally done - not a manufacturer's, but my own - of my own car and customers cars in front of them are smoke and mirrors. there are plenty of benefits to freer flowing exhausts and intakes, some vehicles moreso than others. this blanket statement is flat out false, completely proven as such in an independent fashion no less.

if people don't like the product, feel free not to buy it. its not going to put me out of business for the cx-9 market not to buy an air intake. but don't sit here and accuse me of being dishonest when i have six years of honest business done on this forum, and many others, with thousands of satisfied customers. the notion that i am dishonest, or that performance parts are scams, are not only offensive but frankly ignorant remarks.

+100

Im with u man. (stooges)

[cxgreat]

Any pictures of it installed? Anyone have results to share with the applications? Thanks

[IanKen]

yes, thats right. all the dynos i have personally done - not a manufacturer's, but my own - of my own car and customers cars in front of them are smoke and mirrors.....

Then post some. Show me a before and after dyno on a CX9 with this product that shows some meaningful gain, and show it across multiple runs.

I'll say it again: the CAI shown here may flow better, but it will not draw colder air than stock based purely on placement. The air filter is inside the bay with this CAI, while stock pulls directly from the exterior under the hood lip.

My $.02. That's all. As the vendor for this product any claims of improved performance are yours to prove.

[100$ GUY]

BUMP!!

Still no one besides him has developed a CAI for the CX-9???
Where are the mods to make this baby powerful and faster....

[benben01]

Here's an idea for SRI if anyone is interested. We just got our CX-9 this past weekend so I haven't had much time to play with it yet.

http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index.php?p=product&id=213&parent=82

[ceric]

ScanGaugeII can measure intake temperature. (IAT under Gauge.)
It can be easily and scientifically proven that whether the air is actually "colder".

[Mazda3]

My favorite is still the chain saw sounding exhaust systems. These guys think their car is faster because it's louder, but most of the time there is no change, or the car is even slower. I'm sure others have heard some Civic going 100mph, only to look over and they're barely moving, blowing a cloud of smoke out the back.


I have to admit that is one of my favorite car related things to laugh about. Nothing funnier than a Civic roaring by with a fart cannon that has taken away all the back pressure required to make torque in that little motor and they have no idea they have actually slowed the car down.

[benben01]

Ok Sporty.... Before you shoot this down, give me some credit for thinking outside of the box...

check it..

http://cdn-www.greencar.com/images/fordgainsv6edge/Ford-Edge-V-6-Engine-Bay.jpg

http://www.steedaedge.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=47

[benben01]

Haven't placed my order yet... It's on my list of mods to do. I want to take a look at the Edge up close and personal before pulling the trigger. If I have to, I will mod the cold box/heat shield on the kit to fit our compartment. They also have a TB spacer with grooves to help promote a swirling effect as well..

Did you also see that they have a 15" 6-pot Brembo brake it on sale for $2395? Don't know how I am gonna get the warden to sign off that...

[100$ GUY]

Ok Sporty.... Before you shoot this down, give me some credit for thinking outside of the box...

check it..

http://cdn-www.greencar.com/images/fordgainsv6edge/Ford-Edge-V-6-Engine-Bay.jpg

http://www.steedaedge.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=47

Thank u for your ideas, keep it coming bro!
(headbang)
We need more powaaa....... (birthday)

By the way, it says gains of 35hp and 27 torque at the wheels.....mmmmmmm why I find it hard to believe..

[Crystalwhitey]

Thank u for your ideas, keep it coming bro!
(headbang)
We need more powaaa....... (birthday)

By the way, it says gains of 35hp and 27 torque at the wheels.....mmmmmmm why I find it hard to believe..



LOL..... 35hp and 27lb/tq just from a CAI??!! I wonder what were they smoking? hahah

Hey are you on E90post by any chance? I also have a E92 335i :D

[Boldlygo]

Just reading through threads for the first time...

I installed a CAI for my '07 Mazda6 GT V6 and it worked OK for a little while, but I started getting a check engine light. The dealer had a look at it (BTW it was the same model that Mazda actually sold as a MazdaSpeed accessory) and the MAS was going. They replaced it under warranty, but said they would not a second time. It seems the computer couldn't keep up with all the extra air coming and and was running way too lean.
I took out the CAI and left just a K&N filter in.

That's the same thing I just did to my '09 CX-9 GT. I swapped out the stock air filter for a K&N. That's all I plan to do. A lot safer and cheaper than getting MAS replaced.

[hamproof]

The fact that our 3.5l has 263HP is impressive compared to GMs 4.3 Vortex which was only 190HP.

Buick Enclave, 3.5l with 288HP. 3.7l CX-9 with 273HP. But I'm sure you know engine size has very little bearing on whether one is better than the other.

Btw, which 4.6l are you referring to? The one from 1993??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Vortec_engine

[ceric]

GM quadruplet have 3.6L engine with direct injection. 288hp/6300rpm, 270ft-lb/3400rpm.
For a DI engine, the numbers are OK, but not impressive.

Ford now has EcoBoost (3.5L DOHC, VVT, DI + twin sequential light turbos) making 355hp.
If Mazda incorporates the DI into MZI 3.7, expect horsepower between
(5% increase): 288hp/283 ft-lb to
(10% increase): 300hp/297ft-lb
plus at least 5% increase in MPG as well.

The only downside to DI is reliability and cost. We will see how reliable these new-gen DI mechanisms will be.

[Al's Chop Shop]

if it were so easy to "bolt on" a 15 horsepower advantage, don't you think the factory would have done it instead of spending thousands of dollars on engine management at a computer level?

to the original poster: nice warm air intake, and nice bird poop welds. i bet you have about $12.00 into materials building that piece of crap. fortunate for you, those stupid ricer kids are dumb enough to fall for that crap, every time. i'm not sure if i feel bad for them, or you.

Al

[Captain KRM P5]

it never ceases to amaze me the level of arrogance, ignorance and flat out misinformation of some of the members here. if you think for a moment that the factory had "maximum performance" in mind when they tuned the sport utility vehicle you drive, you're not only completely off track, but it speaks volumes as to how limited in potential that 3.7 would be considering just how short it falls of similar and even lesser displacement engines. especially when it comes to the computer system in the car. the industry makes millions alone on bolt ons and computer tuning because, like any successful industry in our economy, there are measurable and noticeable results being made by "stupid ricer kids" that are above and beyond what was done at the factory.

so save your pity, please. i make a living selling these parts and feed my family that way, and trust me, i don't feel sorry about that. i've no need for that from five post members with nary a lick of knowledge and buckets of baseless criticism.

[fatti03msp]

Thread closed for the time being until clean up and/or a new thread created.

PG is a very well respected vendor on this forum and does not sell crap by any means, his company is what helps keep this forum going and stay open for all of you find new parts and asks questions. So show a some respect and grow up.

This is a warning for all of you...... if a new thread is created and i find yet again a thread full of off topic BS and just BS in general there will infractions/ban issued.